Quote:Excerpt from the first chapter entitled The Sacred Calendar:

There is an explanation for everything, or so the ancient Aztec, Toltec and Maya believed. The citizens of those great civilizations looked to religious scholars to explain the meaning of life and the reasons for all events. Generations of shaman-priests devoted their lives to recording and analyzing every imaginable occurrence, and they discovered that both celestial and terrestrial history repeats itself through finite cycles of time. These fundamental repetitive patterns were distilled into a calendar that the Aztecs called their tonalpoualli. This calendar was central to interpreting and planning their secular and spiritual lives; and over time - because of its mystical predictive power - it became sacred to them.

One of the many traditional beliefs about the sacred calendar is the causal link between peoples' birth dates and their personality, psyche and fate. Like natal astrology in the Western World, conditions associated with the day of birth influence the fundamental aspects of a person’s character and development. The causal mechanism for astrologers is the relative position of our solar system’s planets and the physical forces they exert on the newborn. For Mesoamericans, however, explanations do not involve physical influences but are purely transcendental and metaphysical. They believe that everything in existence is intrinsically spiritual, including time itself. Spiritual energy is the core of every animate and inanimate entity - from rocks, mountains, rivers, wind, rain, plants, and animals to human beings - otherwise they would not exist. Time progresses therefore it is also real, and it is perceived and tallied as the succession of discrete and definable days.

Each consecutive day is a distinct blend of pure spiritual energy that comes and goes in predictable cycles influencing everything in existence, from the fate of nations to the destiny of a newborn. Time is the interface between the supernatural and natural worlds - it is the gateway though which powerful spiritual forces manipulate and influence the providence of all. However, the passage of time is not a perpetual, self-sustaining system. It requires a continuous source of fuel to keep the succession of days rolling on, and this is provided by the physical and emotional sacrifices of human beings who are repaying a debt to the supernatural world for their original creation. Without sufficient contributions of human spiritual energy, time will stop and the sun will cease to rise. The secrets to understanding the mystical nature of time and its symbiotic relationship to all existence are encoded in the sacred calendar. Therefore, to understand the calendar is to understand the very essence of traditional Mesoamerican philosophy

(05-12-2011, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What we identify as "time" and "space" are inherently the exact same thing, just like yin and yang. There is no difference.
Our minds are geared towards psychological identification of emergent properties, which forms a duality. Ra used the conceptualizations of Samuel Alexander, as he had worked out the most primary and simple idea of space/time duality in "Space, Time, And Deity".
o Thus "space" and "time" are separated due to some imposed reference.
o Conscious consideration of one aspect makes it distinct at the expense of the other. We tend to be able to focus only from part to whole or from whole to part.
o That which we derive the very concept of "space" is our idea of that which is linear, discrete, separating, differentiating (masculine principle).
o Similarly, the concept of time is derived from that which is circular, cyclical, whole, and integrating (feminine principle).
o Feeling and intuition are temporal while thinking and sensation are spatial.

What is interesting is that in 3rd density the objective or spatial component of mind seems to be emphasized at the expense of the temporal component of mind. This contributes to the separating experience (the veil) that the mystics (like Krishnamurti) have transcended to some degree. Non-dual states (of "post transpersonal") are also examples of transcending these "asymmetric default settings".

(05-12-2011, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote: o That which we derive the very concept of "space" is our idea of that which is linear, discrete, separating, differentiating (masculine principle).
o Similarly, the concept of time is derived from that which is circular, cyclical, whole, and integrating (feminine principle).

Quote:The proper alignment is the head pointed twenty degrees north-by-northeast. This is the direction from which the newer or New Age distortions of love/light, which are less distorted, are emanating, and this instrument will find comfort therein.

(05-12-2011, 10:21 PM)zenmaster Wrote: As far as I know, that statement is not related specifically to the nature of space and time. The energies to which Ra was referring are analogous to the familiar magnetic lines of 'force', which are also directional according to the position of two poles. Apparently, the Earth takes in-streaming energy from the sun and distributes it in a geo-magnetic manner. Or at least it did at that time. Perhaps it is less directional or more spatially distributed now. But directionality of the energy would imply locality or space/time.

(05-12-2011, 10:32 PM)Confused Wrote: And your observation about people getting nicer was interesting, with respect to Harvest. Why do you say so?

(05-12-2011, 10:38 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Because it is just one of those unusual feelings that people often report experiencing on these forums, but one that doesn't seem to come from 'me'.

Quote:If you will penetrate the nature of the first distortion in its application of self knowing self, you may begin to distinguish the hallmark of an Infinite Creator, variety. Were there no potentials for misunderstanding and, therefore, understanding, there would be no experience.

(05-12-2011, 09:20 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(05-12-2011, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What we identify as "time" and "space" are inherently the exact same thing, just like yin and yang. There is no difference.
Our minds are geared towards psychological identification of emergent properties, which forms a duality. Ra used the conceptualizations of Samuel Alexander, as he had worked out the most primary and simple idea of space/time duality in "Space, Time, And Deity".
o Thus "space" and "time" are separated due to some imposed reference.
o Conscious consideration of one aspect makes it distinct at the expense of the other. We tend to be able to focus only from part to whole or from whole to part.
o That which we derive the very concept of "space" is our idea of that which is linear, discrete, separating, differentiating (masculine principle).
o Similarly, the concept of time is derived from that which is circular, cyclical, whole, and integrating (feminine principle).
o Feeling and intuition are temporal while thinking and sensation are spatial.

What is interesting is that in 3rd density the objective or spatial component of mind seems to be emphasized at the expense of the temporal component of mind. This contributes to the separating experience (the veil) that the mystics (like Krishnamurti) have transcended to some degree. Non-dual states (of "post transpersonal") are also examples of transcending these "asymmetric default settings".

This helps bring the duality or dichotomy together. It helps me comprehend them working simultaneously. S/t and t/s, that is.

(05-12-2011, 11:41 PM)Raman Wrote:

(05-12-2011, 09:20 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(05-12-2011, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What we identify as "time" and "space" are inherently the exact same thing, just like yin and yang. There is no difference.
Our minds are geared towards psychological identification of emergent properties, which forms a duality. Ra used the conceptualizations of Samuel Alexander, as he had worked out the most primary and simple idea of space/time duality in "Space, Time, And Deity".
o Thus "space" and "time" are separated due to some imposed reference.
o Conscious consideration of one aspect makes it distinct at the expense of the other. We tend to be able to focus only from part to whole or from whole to part.
o That which we derive the very concept of "space" is our idea of that which is linear, discrete, separating, differentiating (masculine principle).
o Similarly, the concept of time is derived from that which is circular, cyclical, whole, and integrating (feminine principle).
o Feeling and intuition are temporal while thinking and sensation are spatial.

What is interesting is that in 3rd density the objective or spatial component of mind seems to be emphasized at the expense of the temporal component of mind. This contributes to the separating experience (the veil) that the mystics (like Krishnamurti) have transcended to some degree. Non-dual states (of "post transpersonal") are also examples of transcending these "asymmetric default settings".

This helps bring the duality or dichotomy together. It helps me comprehend them working simultaneously. S/t and t/s, that is.

They are reciprocals of motion...space/time includes 3 dimensions of space and clock time, time-space includes the 3 dimensions of time for a total of six. Then matter (space/time) and energy are simply different aspects of motion...inward/outwards.

Apparently we have to be in both places at least with chemical body in space time and when not, in time-space.

Quote:Just to confuse things, if you notice, Larson's space-time = Ra's time/space, and time-space = space/time.

Ilexa Yardley Wrote:We are what we are observing and experiencing...all circles in time and space. We are everything we observe, from a slightly different (circular) perspective.

Yes, one iteration of a circle is a harmonic vibration...but any two points form a circle, because, and this is the big insight, all lines are the diameter of some circle...so circles are caused, and causing circles, and that's really all there is to it.

Ilexa Yardley Wrote:(the photon is not the most basic'circle'...the circle (in form) is....

(05-12-2011, 11:35 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Watched the Cygnus Mystery. I must say he makes a compelling case for the recognition of Cygnus as a source of some kind of transcendent energy, in the ancient cultures. Not sure it relates to the same energy that Ra spoke about, however.

Quote:90.5 Questioner: You stated previously that fifth-density entities bear a resemblance to those of us in third density on planet Earth but fourth density does not. Could you describe the fourth-density entities and tell me why they do not resemble us?

Ra: I am Ra. The description must be bated under the Law of Confusion. The cause for a variety of so-called physical vehicles is the remaining variety of heritages from second-density physical vehicular forms. The process of what you call physical evolution continues to hold sway into fourth density. Only when the ways of wisdom have begun to refine the power of what you may loosely call thought is the form of the physical complex manifestation more nearly under the direction of the consciousness.

(05-13-2011, 12:16 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The problem with Larson's system....

(05-13-2011, 12:16 AM)zenmaster Wrote: At 1st density, "time" can be considered to be the "mind" of space (as an analog, of course). Alexander actually says something very similar.

Quote:This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density.

Quote:90.5 Questioner: You stated previously that fifth-density entities bear a resemblance to those of us in third density on planet Earth but fourth density does not. Could you describe the fourth-density entities and tell me why they do not resemble us?

Ra: I am Ra. The description must be bated under the Law of Confusion. The cause for a variety of so-called physical vehicles is the remaining variety of heritages from second-density physical vehicular forms. The process of what you call physical evolution continues to hold sway into fourth density. Only when the ways of wisdom have begun to refine the power of what you may loosely call thought is the form of the physical complex manifestation more nearly under the direction of the consciousness.

Quote:Wow, zen, tell me - are you a scientist or a Phd in real life?

Quote:I would however enjoy more expositions on Dewey's theories on t/s & s/t, starting from rudimentary levels, if you have something like that.

Quote:This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density.

(05-13-2011, 09:07 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The four elements are metaphorical analogs of the psychological faculties that inform experience

(05-13-2011, 01:05 AM)Confused Wrote: The LOO is a cipher in many ways, with clues strewn all around, in my opinion.

(05-13-2011, 11:24 AM)Confused Wrote: What are those psychological faculties that you refer to, zenmaster? And how are they related to the processing of time in our experiential nexus? I would be grateful if you can answer.

(05-13-2011, 11:32 AM)kycahi Wrote: I guess that they knew what they were doing, in that regard, some or most of the time. Maybe, though, they stuck to answering Don's questions and just sprinkled in some hints for follow-up topics.

(05-13-2011, 11:32 AM)kycahi Wrote: I am SO grateful for those teams--Ra and Don, Carla and Jim.

(05-13-2011, 09:07 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The four elements are metaphorical analogs of the psychological faculties that inform experience

Quote:91.34 Questioner: And finally, the Magician represents the conscious mind. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask the student to consider the concept of the unfed conscious mind, the mind without any resource but consciousness. Do not confuse the unfed conscious mind with that mass of complexities which you as students experience, as you have so many, many times dipped already into the processes of potentiation, catalyst, experience, and transformation.

(05-13-2011, 11:24 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-13-2011, 09:07 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The four elements are metaphorical analogs of the psychological faculties that inform experience

What are those psychological faculties that you refer to, zenmaster? And how are they related to the processing of time in our experiential nexus? I would be grateful if you can answer.

Quote:New Evidence for a Black Hole in the Compact Binary Cygnus X-3
Shrader, Chris R.; Titarchuk, Lev; Shaposhnikov, Nikolai
The Astrophysical Journal, Volume 718, Issue 1, pp. 488-493 (2010).

The bright and highly variable X-ray and radio source known as Cygnus X-3 was among the first X-ray sources discovered, yet it remains in many ways an enigma. It is known to consist of a massive, Wolf-Rayet primary in an extremely tight orbit with a compact object. However, one of the most basic of parameters—the mass of the compact object—is not known, nor is it even clear whether it is a neutron star or a black hole (BH). In this paper, we present our analysis of the broadband high-energy continua covering a substantial range in luminosity and spectral morphology. We apply these results to a recently identified scaling relationship that has been demonstrated to provide reliable estimates of the compact object mass in a number of accretion powered binaries. This analysis leads us to conclude that the compact object in Cygnus X-3 has a mass greater than 4.2 M sun, thus clearly indicative of a BH and as such, resolves a long-standing issue. The full range of uncertainty in our analysis and from using a range of recently published distance estimates constrain the compact object mass to lie between 4.2 M sun and 14.4 M sun. Our favored estimate, based on a 9.0 kpc distance estimate, is ~10 M sun, with an error margin of 3.2 solar masses. This result may thus pose challenges to shared-envelope evolutionary models of compact binaries, as well as establishing Cygnus X-3 as the first confirmed accretion-powered galactic gamma-ray source.
source: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010ApJ...718..488S

(05-13-2011, 11:39 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-13-2011, 09:07 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The four elements are metaphorical analogs of the psychological faculties that inform experience

zen, is this what you were referring to (shaded bold) --

Quote:91.34 Questioner: And finally, the Magician represents the conscious mind. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask the student to consider the concept of the unfed conscious mind, the mind without any resource but consciousness. Do not confuse the unfed conscious mind with that mass of complexities which you as students experience, as you have so many, many times dipped already into the processes of potentiation, catalyst, experience, and transformation.

Quote:Once, in a past time, I spoke to the Dweller.
Asked of the mystery of time and space.
Asked him the question that surged in my being,
saying: O Master, what is time?

Then to me spoke HE, the Master:
Know ye, O Thoth, in the beginning
there was VOID and nothingness,
a timeless, spaceless, nothingness.
And into the nothingness came a thought,
purposeful, all-pervading,
and It filled the VOID.
There existed no matter, only force,
a movement, a vortex, or vibration
of the purposeful thought
that filled the VOID.

And I questioned the Master, saying:
Was this thought eternal?
And answered me the DWELLER, Saying:
In the beginning, there was eternal thought,
and for thought to be eternal, time must exist.
So into the all-pervading thought
grew the LAW of TIME.
Aye time which exists through all space,
floating in a smooth, rhythmic movement
that is eternally in a state of fixation.

Time changes not,
but all things change in time.
For time is the force
that holds events separate,
each in its own proper place.
Time is not in motion,
but ye move through time
as your consciousness
moves from one event to another.

Aye, by time yet exist, all in all,
an eternal ONE existence.
Know ye that even though in the time ye are separate,
yet still are ONE, in all times existent.

source: Excerpted from Tablet X: The Key of Time of the book -- The Emerald Tablets of Thoth (http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald10bw.html)

(05-14-2011, 04:51 AM)Confused Wrote: In the beginning, there was eternal thought,
and for thought to be eternal, time must exist.

(05-14-2011, 04:51 AM)Confused Wrote: Time is not in motion,
but ye move through time
as your consciousness
moves from one event to another.

(05-14-2011, 10:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Some people are born differently, like Jiddu Krishnamurti whose perception of 'time' was more of a 'non-dual' nature.

(05-14-2011, 10:34 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-14-2011, 10:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Some people are born differently, like Jiddu Krishnamurti whose perception of 'time' was more of a 'non-dual' nature.

I have seen this statement from you for a couple of times now, but did not think about it much. But now it intrigues me. What was Jiddu's personal conception or lived experience of time, as you say it was different with him from birth? I would appreciate your thoughts on that.

Are you a keen student of Jiddu's works?

(05-14-2011, 02:09 PM)zenmaster Wrote: essay.

Quote:The Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator has only one important statement. That statement, my friends, as you know, is “All things, all of life, all of the creation is part of one original thought.”

(05-15-2011, 03:09 AM)zenmaster Wrote: That's like where Ra says we need to understand, but we can't understand. The idea is to understand the nature of the circumstances and necessary limitations with which we're forced to operate, so that we can have some freedom. Before enlightenment chop wood, carry water, after enlightenment chop wood, carry water - but with some profound liberation. It's like allegory of the cave (the 'matrix'), or the fish realizing that it is swimming in an 'ocean' as if there was some other possible context of being. If you take 'thought' for granted, then you have not realized 'thought' as a principle of being.

Quote:We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?