(12-17-2011, 01:29 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(12-16-2011, 03:42 PM)Conifer16 Wrote: I didn't see this post as attacking zen. In fact it looked to me like it was in general expressing frustration with people who just disregard theories like this whithout even looking at them.

Usually when we post a mod note, it's not directed at any one specific person, but to all participants in the discussion. Volatile topics can get heated and the mod note is just a friendly reminder.

(12-18-2011, 09:25 AM)Oceania Wrote: the color red shouldn't be used. use Pink if it's a friendly reminder.

(12-18-2011, 03:16 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-17-2011, 06:24 PM)Icaro Wrote: At some point one has to recognize the outer reality as having an inner congruency. After all, all of that stuff out there is you anyway. So rather than giving way to control and domination..victim-hood..one must start accepting various truths.

You make some very wise points. If I may offer some further discussion-

A person is incapable of taking steps toward self-liberation until they are willing to accept the lack of freedom imposed by the external world. Becoming aware that one is a slave to external factors can lead in one of two directions: self-responsibility and victimhood. As you astutely pointed out. But if one is in denial that they are a slave- thinking they are totally "free" to do what they want or that they 100% "create their own reality"- then there is no chance for them to liberate themselves. They are stuck in the sinkhole of indifference. One cannot transcend a limitation until it is acknowledged and accepted. Neither does appeal to 7D conceptions of unity turn slavery into freedom. Even if, at the highest level, one volunteers to become enslaved to other-selves, it doesn't change the fact that they are enslaved here/now at this level.

All of this projected fear about conspiracy theories is part of the incongruency you previously described. "What if people get the wrong idea?" "What if people panic?" "What if they get hoodwinked by a charismatic leader?" These are all false flags. People already have the wrong idea, they are already panicked, and they are already hoodwinked by charismatic leaders. At the core, fear isn't about what is so, it is about what might become so. It is easy to be fooled into thinking otherwise. Such is the nature of fear, and those who wield it.

Remember- those who take a fearful approach to life rarely cop to it. Rather they blame others for the fear that they feel inside themselves. Classic denial and projection. In their mind, you are the one who is fearful, and you need to be managed (i.e. controlled), in order to prevent you from "spreading fear" to others, (i.e. themselves). Only problem with this logic is... fear doesn't spread from one person to another like some kind of disease. I can't "make you" feel fear any more than I can "make you" feel love. How you respond to my words and actions is entirely up to you.

Those who are "against" conspiracy theories feel that they need to control others in order to feel safe within themselves. This is really no different than those at the top of the power pyramid. They, too, feel that they need to control others in order to feel safe within themselves. It always comes down to fear-based thinking "for your own protection" or "for the greater good" or because "father knows best". In other words, total BS.

So it is a convenient and unspoken alliance for both of those groups to point the finger at those who are simply wanting others to know the truth. They are ready to pounce at the first hint of misinformation and more than willing to launch an all-out character assault at the slightest twinge of immorality or self-serving behavior on the part of the "conspiracy theorist". That way both groups can ensure that there is no real challenge to the status quo and thus perpetuate avoidance of dealing with their own inner fear of change.

Thusly one finds that no sooner than opening their mouth on a "conspiracy theory" does the frantic attempt to silence them begin. Whether it is simply argumentation and ridicule, or death threats and bullets is a matter of how far somebody is willing to go to protect themselves from feeling the fear that the "conspiracy theorist" is triggering inside themselves, i.e. however much they perceive that they stand to "lose" if real changes to the status quo start happening. Oh, they are more than happy to talk about change 'til the cows come home, but when it comes to taking action, then starts the grumbling, dragging of heels, and appeals for "more time" before changes begin in earnest. I've got news for these folks- we are "out of time". We are already living within the requested "overtime period" for people to get their inner affairs in order, and that overtime is about to expire. There is more yet to come, but change needs to happen first, and it will be swift.

Notice how these two groups are the actual sources of the misinformation that gets picked up and propagated by "conspiracy theorists" in the first place. But that is portrayed to be secondary, or glossed over in their scathing indictments of truth-seekers. Notice how the "conspiracy theorist" is held to some unattainable level of investigative standard or uber-morality... but when the mainstream gets caught with their hands down their pants it is "Oops! Sorry! We're all human, ya know!" and then right back to towing the line.

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If you ask me (which nobody did) the real issue here is not a few hoodlums up at the top of the power pyramid, it is the droves of humans who have disowned the fact that they are the ones who put these hoodlums in charge in the first place.

Our "wizened elders" in America are so obsessed with having to feel like they did "The Right Thing" that they would rather see humanity go to nuclear war, or the planet utterly destroyed, than admit that THEY were the ones who sold their children and grandchildren out to these hoodlums while blinded by their own self-righteousness. After all, they believe their mission is to "save the world" and they believe that the "American Dream" is the way to do it. Upholding that belief is so crucial to their supposed "mission from God" they will defend the "American Dream" to the bitter end, and with their last breath blame YOU for destroying it with your "lies and conspiracy theories".

But don't take my word for it. Watch and see. It is all coming soon to a screen near you. Watch how quick humanity's self-proclaimed saviors turn on their "loved ones" like rabid dogs when it becomes undeniable that "saving the world" doesn't look like they expected it would.

(12-18-2011, 01:21 PM)Oceania Wrote: lol i just think red is used for danger, so i always feel jolted when i see it. it gives off this anger even unintended. that pink is nice.

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i i think that's actualy spicy or hot pink. my fave pink.

(12-18-2011, 01:21 PM)Oceania Wrote: lol i just think red is used for danger, so i always feel jolted when i see it. it gives off this anger even unintended. that pink is nice.

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i i think that's actualy spicy or hot pink. my fave pink.

(12-17-2011, 01:12 AM)Icaro Wrote:

(12-16-2011, 11:33 PM)hogey11 Wrote: He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.

Didn't Fulford also say, without a doubt, that assassins were going to systematically eliminate the Illuminati at the top? Genuine question..what's the update on that?

(12-17-2011, 01:21 PM)haqiqu Wrote:

(12-17-2011, 09:29 AM)Eddie Wrote: Good perspective from Clif High over at Half Past Human:

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html

There is a strong possibility that David is being skilfully manipulated here.

clif's point was kinda my thoughts, too. if there really is that vast amount of gold that anonymous and wilcock hinted at, then wouldn't the gold be less valuable due to there being so much of it? unless it's made valuable by hoarding.

i dunno. i'm keeping an open mind and waiting for further developments.

(12-17-2011, 03:24 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-16-2011, 11:33 PM)hogey11 Wrote:

(12-16-2011, 09:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote: From Fulford's own website blog (I see now retroactively edited):

How is that fair??? He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.

The willingness to spew BS kinda reinforces the salt intake requirement at any one point, dudn't it.

(12-20-2011, 12:49 PM)Icaro Wrote: Yes, they're always trying to breed negativity and separation. "Look at what we did, and look at what we're going to do." If you start wondering "what if, or what's to come?", you give that negativity strength, and you give up your faith. I always approach conspiracy with a light heart.

(12-20-2011, 01:19 PM)plenum Wrote: Unfortunately (as many of us have learnt the hard way) trying to find the 'Truth' via conspiracy theory and the NWO is like trying to read a small-print bible in the darkest of nights without the moonlight, and with cloud covering the skies - there's not quite enough Light to go around lol.

Quote:of course, since 9/11, the floodgates of Understanding have opened up. They really shot themselves in the foot with that one lol.

(12-20-2011, 03:27 PM)mikesc Wrote: When enough people get done playing games that pit this versus that and require powerful forces to be at work then things will finally get simpler and more straight forward.

(12-22-2011, 03:29 PM)Oceania Wrote: if Ron Paul wins they might try to assassinate him.

(12-22-2011, 03:29 PM)Oceania Wrote: any other presidential candidate is gunning for Iran and the start of WWIII. Bachman was salivating blood. seriously when she spoke i was thinking she wants world war II, she wants to end the world.

(12-22-2011, 07:14 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(12-22-2011, 03:29 PM)Oceania Wrote: if Ron Paul wins they might try to assassinate him.

I don't want to be in that timeline. Oceania, and everyone else, let's all unite our prayers/meditations/love/light and send it to Ron Paul, for protection. Let's also ask our cosmic friends to help - they will answer our call if we ask! Seriously.

(12-20-2011, 03:17 AM)Icaro Wrote: Tenet - Good post. I agree with your comments. I'd like to make a distinction that when I refer to being careful about conspiracy, I'm referring to how deep one goes..as in how much one frets over the details. The general population certainly needs to acknowledge various aspects of manipulation going, and I also agree that many are quick to judge others for thinking outside the box. My main concern involves those who choose to delve deeper into conspiracy, and how they become totally enveloped with all the speculative details.

(12-20-2011, 09:21 AM)Oldern Wrote: My take on all of this is simple: some of the conspiracy theories rely on this kind of rhetorics: you are suffering because of THEM, so go out and take your revenge on THEM.

Wrong.

Quote:You are suffering because you are caught up in the frequency of suffering, and directing your hate to a new place will not stop your suffering. Turning that hate into simple love, however, WILL increase your frequency to the level where you wont be in a state of suffering anymore.

Quote:As simple as that, for me. I do not care what the Illuminati did or still does. Why should I? I am happy to be still here, to be able to love, to be able to meditate, and to be able to communicate with others in this forum

David Wilcock Wrote:IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH

Before we launch into the story, we need to set up the characters. Otherwise, you may have difficulty understanding how this Nazi-type mentality could exist. Denial is the main weapon that has kept this story secret for so long.

You might also fall into an even more dangerous pattern: the Salem witch-burning mentality of "Us" versus "Them," "Black" versus "White," "God's Chosen" versus "Satan's Demons."

These are real people, not cartoon monsters. That is ultimately what guarantees that the plans of these groups cannot succeed.

However, if you don't know who you're dealing with, you will never be able to understand them enough to help solve the problem.

The majority of their members are miserable, feel trapped, and want nothing more than to escape -- and to be treated with love and respect.

The groups themselves are far too big, interconnected, worldwide and powerful to be transformed from the outside.

The only real shot you have at changing the world is by changing the people in the world -- including those within these groups.

You can't do that by stepping in, acting like a hot shot and telling them what to do. You have to listen to them, understand them, find out what they want, what they need and why they have been hurting so much.

And that's called love.

(12-24-2011, 03:55 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

David Wilcock Wrote:These are real people

(12-23-2011, 03:04 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: But anyway, back to the totally agreeing part. Yes... it can be very unhealthy to dwell so much on the negative. I actually had a close friend who was a true conspiracy buff die of colon cancer a few years back. I am convinced it had something to do with all the pent up negativity.

(12-28-2011, 11:21 PM)Icaro Wrote:

(12-23-2011, 03:04 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: But anyway, back to the totally agreeing part. Yes... it can be very unhealthy to dwell so much on the negative. I actually had a close friend who was a true conspiracy buff die of colon cancer a few years back. I am convinced it had something to do with all the pent up negativity.

If you think about it, the colon would correspond to the root center. If one is so enamored in conspiracy, they would be constantly denying base experience, which may result in cancer.