(05-10-2011, 09:09 PM)unity100 Wrote: in regard to the shift - in Ra and quo information, no such ascension scenario is ever mentioned. moreover, this kind of 'ascension' thing only appears in christian lore, and nowhere else.

(05-10-2011, 09:12 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Where does ascension appear in christian lore?

(05-10-2011, 09:15 PM)Confused Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 09:12 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Where does ascension appear in christian lore?

I think it is called Rapture, that is expected to take place at the second coming of Jesus Christ, according to Christian theology.

(05-10-2011, 09:15 PM)Confused Wrote: Let us say if I know that the Harvest is tomorrow in a twinkling of an eye, then immediately I may attempt to forgive those who hurt me and polarize strongly. That is sort of artificial. That forgiving mindset did not come through a natural process of balancing using freewill; but came about because I saw benefit in it due to impending Harvest.

(05-10-2011, 09:21 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: If that's all, then Ra did speak of it, and called it Harvest. Same thing in my eyes. Harvest was big in the christian lore, no?

Quote:17.22 Questioner: In our culture there is a saying that he will return. Can you tell me if this is planned?

Ra: I am Ra. I will attempt to sort out this question. It is difficult. This entity became aware that it was not an entity of itself but operated as a messenger of the One Creator whom this entity saw as love. This entity was aware that this cycle was in its last portion and spoke to the effect that those of its consciousness would return at the harvest.

The particular mind/body/spirit complex you call Jesus is, as what you would call an entity, not to return except as a member of the Confederation speaking through a channel. However, there are others of the identical congruency of consciousness that will welcome those to the fourth-density. This is the meaning of the returning.

(05-10-2011, 09:36 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: This is Ra confirming the christian lore of Jesus' return?

(05-10-2011, 09:15 PM)Confused Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 09:09 PM)unity100 Wrote: in regard to the shift - in Ra and quo information, no such ascension scenario is ever mentioned. moreover, this kind of 'ascension' thing only appears in christian lore, and nowhere else.

unity100, I don't know what I am going to say makes sense or not, but here it goes. I believe this again ties back to the age-old debate of immediate Vs. prolonged Harvest.

I think Ra kept the information on the phenomenon of the Harvest (or rapture/ascension/whatever label) under heavy wraps so that it does not consciously impinge upon freewill in terms of polarities/actions chosen. For example, if Don was given clear information as to what Harvest is, it could have changed the natural actions/behaviors/biases/relationship-patterns of many.

Quote:Let us say if I know that the Harvest is tomorrow in a twinkling of an eye, then immediately I may attempt to forgive those who hurt me and polarize strongly. That is sort of artificial. That forgiving mindset did not come through a natural process of balancing using freewill; but came about because I saw benefit in it due to impending Harvest.

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Quote:The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.

(05-10-2011, 09:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: details will not matter. your overall violet balance will matter. if, you are pulling a last minute stunt, it will fail. but, if your last minute stunt is sufficiently firm in regard to violet ray, it will succeed.

(05-10-2011, 09:52 PM)unity100 Wrote:

Quote:Let us say if I know that the Harvest is tomorrow in a twinkling of an eye, then immediately I may attempt to forgive those who hurt me and polarize strongly. That is sort of artificial. That forgiving mindset did not come through a natural process of balancing using freewill; but came about because I saw benefit in it due to impending Harvest.

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you cant do that.

Quote:We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

(05-10-2011, 10:31 PM)Confused Wrote:

Quote:We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

As above, so below.

(05-10-2011, 10:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: in case you noticed, there is no talk of the potential of 'all the planet becoming positively harvestable' in that paragraph. therefore, the 'as above so below' christian lore analogy (it was from christian religion if im not mistaken) is misplaced.

Quote:This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment.

(05-10-2011, 11:47 PM)Raman Wrote: What makes you think Harvest would be immediate, Confused?

(05-10-2011, 11:21 PM)Confused Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 10:56 PM)unity100 Wrote: in case you noticed, there is no talk of the potential of 'all the planet becoming positively harvestable' in that paragraph. therefore, the 'as above so below' christian lore analogy (it was from christian religion if im not mistaken) is misplaced.

Rehashing the same quote, unity100 --

Quote:This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment.

(05-10-2011, 11:47 PM)Raman Wrote: What makes you think Harvest would be immediate, Confused? To me a fully green activated planet should be very inhospitable to 3d and 4d negative entities. By definition, 4d (>51% STO) would be the only ones able to survive in that environment.

And what is the point of wanderers to remain in a fully activated green planet? Should not we be ready to expect something BIG by end of Oct 2011?

I mean we are talking about not only harvest but the Harvest, the end of the last cycle the (theoretically) end of 3d.

I apologize if I some do not feel comfortable with this but shouldn't we be ready for anything? Obviously, this is just my humble opinion.

(05-11-2011, 12:12 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 11:47 PM)Raman Wrote: What makes you think Harvest would be immediate, Confused?

From your post, it looks like you too believe in the 'twinkling of an eye' Harvest process? Am I correct in assuming that, Raman? It will help me in explaining myself better.

I do not believe/disbelieve anything on this, Raman. Truth is as it is, irrespective of whether I believe it or not. I am only trying to seek, which is my duty as a child of the Cosmos. If in the process truth emerges, then I am well off for it.

Love & light, brother.

Quote:17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

(05-11-2011, 12:12 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 11:47 PM)Raman Wrote: What makes you think Harvest would be immediate, Confused?

From your post, it looks like you too believe in the 'twinkling of an eye' Harvest process? Am I correct in assuming that, Raman? It will help me in explaining myself better.

I do not believe/disbelieve anything on this, Raman. Truth is as it is, irrespective of whether I believe it or not. I am only trying to seek, which is my duty as a child of the Cosmos. If in the process truth emerges, then I am well off for it.

Love & light, brother.

(05-11-2011, 12:47 AM)Raman Wrote: Then it appears that Ra talks about the famous period of 100-700 years "post-Harvest" and refers to this only once. It seems the info was "veiled" in an sense then "discoverable" ...if this period is in space-time then it is not an immediate harvest...but what if it is in time-space?

Quote:But to me what is relevant is what full activation entails which coincides with a cycle that it is very exact like a clock/alarm activating something...

Quote:Is fear of death what is impeding us to see the answer?

Quote:The point is end of Oct is 5 1/2 months away. Are we really expecting to continue the same or slightly better?

I do not believe yes/no as well but this 9th wave seems rather a tsunami (pardon the pun?)

(05-11-2011, 12:38 AM)unity100 Wrote: thats not a matter of belief. don specifically asked for a period over which harvest would be spread out, or, a date when it would happen. it was given as 30 years from now, and don asked whether it would happen in 2011, and the answer was yes. it wasnt said it would start, it wasnt said it would end, it was said that it would happen.

a harvest happening IN a year, means that, the harvest would happen in that year. if so, even if harvest would be spread over a time period, it would be during that timespan of a year.

(05-11-2011, 01:07 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-11-2011, 12:38 AM)unity100 Wrote: thats not a matter of belief. don specifically asked for a period over which harvest would be spread out, or, a date when it would happen. it was given as 30 years from now, and don asked whether it would happen in 2011, and the answer was yes. it wasnt said it would start, it wasnt said it would end, it was said that it would happen.

a harvest happening IN a year, means that, the harvest would happen in that year. if so, even if harvest would be spread over a time period, it would be during that timespan of a year.

I accept that deduction with whole-heart.

(05-11-2011, 12:47 AM)Raman Wrote: ...100-700 years "post-Harvest"...

Quote:...Let us look first at the Mu entities.

They were beings of a somewhat primitive nature, but those who had very advanced spiritual distortions. The civilization was part of this cycle, experienced early within the cycle at a time of approximately 53,000 of your years ago. It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own. They sent out those who survived and reached many places in what you call Russia, North America, and South America. The Indians of whom you come to feel some sympathy in your social complex distortions are the descendants of these entities. Like the other incarnates of this cycle, they came from elsewhere. However, these particular entities were largely from a second-density planet which had some difficulty, due to the age of its sun, in achieving third-density life conditions. This planet was from the galaxy Deneb.

(05-11-2011, 02:26 AM)unity100 Wrote: you are probably implying that difficulties encountered due to discrepancy in between the society's thoughts and the increasing vibrations had caused similar tectonic rearrangement in second density.

(05-11-2011, 12:55 AM)unity100 Wrote: and, i see each night happening to be in a higher state than the previous one in energy.

(05-11-2011, 06:05 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-11-2011, 02:26 AM)unity100 Wrote: you are probably implying that difficulties encountered due to discrepancy in between the society's thoughts and the increasing vibrations had caused similar tectonic rearrangement in second density.

Second density?! Those were third density earth entities from over 50,000 years ago, as per the LOO. Or am I wrong in my understanding? :-/

(05-11-2011, 07:19 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I've been down the road several times about what/when harvest is. I won't pull out my bag of goodies on the topic.

One question for you guys. If we are all standing here on January 1, 2013, what will be your conclusion? Will you tell me Ra was wrong, or will you tell me that Harvest did occur?

(05-11-2011, 09:07 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(05-11-2011, 07:19 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I've been down the road several times about what/when harvest is. I won't pull out my bag of goodies on the topic.

One question for you guys. If we are all standing here on January 1, 2013, what will be your conclusion? Will you tell me Ra was wrong, or will you tell me that Harvest did occur?

C'mon now, they will tell you that Harvest occurred, or lacking enough credible evidence, something 'big' that corresponds to Harvest. But then that will sooner or later tend to loose its inflated meaning, and most conveniently discarded, while yet another signpost is looked for. Oh and and if you missed yet another one of their specially designated signpost events that they 'recognized', you were probably just not resonating with their specific, built up interest in it.