(11-16-2011, 12:52 PM)Pickle Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 12:21 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Here is a hypothetical story that may explain my perspective.

I am sitting with a friend at a restaurant. She orders a hamburger. Now, we already recognize our power to create, our spirit complex, and our direct spiritual ability to lift a 2D to 3D status. If I look at her plate and think 'that meat is tainted spiritual energy from inhumane practices it experienced and ingesting it will harm her body', then I am creating a bad spiritual energy. I, ME, the one with the thoughts. I am the one opening the door for negative thought forms. ME! Not the guy that killed the animal. ME!!!

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Finding the love in the situation is to appreciate the life of the animal, the sacrifice of the animal, the life giving properties of the food on the plate. In that way, positive thought forms will cause the molecules in that dish to sing. Sing!

No matter how much love you project to that burger it can still make your friend suffer the long death of prions. You have no effect on that portion of this illusion. Simply a result of the current system some of us do not agree with. IMO everyone has the right to suicide, but it should be an educated choice.

(11-16-2011, 12:56 PM)Pickle Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 12:43 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Perhaps you're right as well, though I cannot wrap my head around why somebody would be so concerned about the suffering of animals, meanwhile helpless children get beaten, raped, abducted, and murdered on a daily basis.

Just saying...

To have them in front of us they would be lynched. These types are always hidden in the shadows, only brought to light if they are caught.

In fact, what kind of discussion would take place focusing on one of us that is a molester? I would bet someone would take it upon them self to visit the person in question to purposefully force their point. Not a very good comparison LoL. Folks tend to concern themselves with what they can affect or change. Hard to change what you can not see, hear, or find. Once out in the open we definitely force a change.

(11-16-2011, 01:03 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: it wouldn't be a positive polarization moment.

(11-16-2011, 12:43 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 12:38 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Perhaps you're right, though I cannot wrap my head around the idea that someone would prefer that their meat suffer.

Perhaps you're right as well, though I cannot wrap my head around why somebody would be so concerned about the suffering of animals, meanwhile helpless children get beaten, raped, abducted, and murdered on a daily basis.

Just saying...

(11-16-2011, 12:56 PM)Pickle Wrote: To have them in front of us they would be lynched. These types are always hidden in the shadows, only brought to light if they are caught.

(11-16-2011, 01:19 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: So you're saying that, because children suffer, we should not be concerned about our choices which lead to the suffering of animals?

abridgetoofar Wrote:Would not supporting that company and supporting them be the same because there is still suffering elsewhere in the world?

(11-16-2011, 10:54 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: See. I knew it would get intense.

I'm not being silly because I'm not thinking my purchase will persuade humane practices.

If its about changing the way animals are raised, then raise them how you want and stop focusing on the other guy. I stand behind you on that. On the other hand, I do not stand behind finger pointing because I won't do that.

Quote:1) Respect. Compassion. Loving-kindness. Empathy. Trust. Goodwill. Desire to serve. Embracing each other. Opening our heart. Participants are asked to keep the thought in the forefront of their minds at all times that each on this forum IS the Creator. Please keep communication respectful at all times and in all ways. The participant may disagree to the bone with an idea without personally attacking the author of the idea. Please remember that we are all here to expand our knowledge, deepen our understanding, and support one another by reflecting our divinity to each other. We are One being -- we are not here to forget the real.

(11-16-2011, 01:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 01:19 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: So you're saying that, because children suffer, we should not be concerned about our choices which lead to the suffering of animals?

No. I am saying that if we were to make stopping the inhumane treatment of humans a priority, then stopping the inhumane treatment of animals would be much easier.

(11-16-2011, 01:26 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

(11-16-2011, 01:29 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Whatever!!!

I said, "I stand behind you"

Oh man!!! I 'this close' to ACTUALLY breaking the rules.

(11-16-2011, 01:19 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 12:43 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 12:38 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Perhaps you're right, though I cannot wrap my head around the idea that someone would prefer that their meat suffer.

Perhaps you're right as well, though I cannot wrap my head around why somebody would be so concerned about the suffering of animals, meanwhile helpless children get beaten, raped, abducted, and murdered on a daily basis.

Just saying...

So you're saying that, because children suffer, we should not be concerned about our choices which lead to the suffering of animals?

I whole-heartedly disagree.

Let's say that a company makes money from the beating, raping, abducting, and murdering of children. Would you still support that company? Would it be inappropriate to worry about what that company does because someone else is doing it anyways? Would not supporting that company and supporting them be the same because there is still suffering elsewhere in the world?

(11-16-2011, 01:29 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 01:26 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

Is that so? Then why hasn't it been done yet?

(11-16-2011, 01:32 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: By your definition of "support", I'm certain we all do "support" those things with our purchases.

(11-16-2011, 12:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 12:16 PM)Diana Wrote: Yes, that's very true (unbelievably so). But change seldom happens in one lump. There is a process involved, but the first step is becoming aware of it.

This is most certainly true. I only point out that the shining of the lamp of awareness works within as well as without. There is a fine line to be walked.

I'm not speaking directly to you, but I believe there are many people out there who take up a cause somewhat as a distraction technique. By being so outwardly-focused, they miss opportunities to truly see how the outside world they are so desperately trying to control, is a reflection of what is going on inside.

So... raising awareness is good. But which awareness? What is the most over-arching and non-inflammatory awareness which can be raised?

(11-16-2011, 01:30 PM)Pickle Wrote: I have an aversion to everything you put up there. Always hated sports, politics, and religion. Those were always the forum of the sleeping masses. Hmm, IMO diet is right in there with it all.

(11-16-2011, 01:29 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Whatever!!!

I said, "I stand behind you"

Oh man!!! I 'this close' to ACTUALLY breaking the rules.

(11-16-2011, 01:36 PM)Diana Wrote: This is the difference: This is a discussion with spiritually seeking persons; in this venue isn't it appropriate to contribute in the spirit of discussing/enlightenment?

(11-16-2011, 01:45 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Claiming that a decrease in meat consumption will result in an increase of awareness, however, is a totally different thing. I don't recall you forwarding this particular view, so I mention it only for reference.

(11-16-2011, 01:45 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Claiming that a decrease in meat consumption will result in an increase of awareness, however, is a totally different thing. I don't recall you forwarding this particular view, so I mention it only for reference.

(11-16-2011, 01:56 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm feeling pain reading this thread j/k

(11-16-2011, 01:30 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 01:29 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Whatever!!!

I said, "I stand behind you"

Oh man!!! I 'this close' to ACTUALLY breaking the rules.

For the record I'm rather confused by the moderator warning as well

(11-16-2011, 01:29 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 01:26 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

Is that so? Then why hasn't it been done yet?

(11-16-2011, 01:32 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 01:29 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 01:26 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

Is that so? Then why hasn't it been done yet?

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

It hasn't been done yet because people still buy inhumanely raised meat.

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(11-16-2011, 01:32 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: By your definition of "support", I'm certain we all do "support" those things with our purchases.

And I agree. The difference is, the knowledge of which companies mistreat animals is widely known. The choice to buy humanely raised meat is available to nearly everyone.

If there wasn't any other choice, or if the knowledge wasn't there, it would be a different story. But both of those things are available.

(11-16-2011, 01:52 PM)Pickle Wrote: In my case it brought forth a spiritual change. That in turn caused a physical change.

Pickle Wrote:I have since attempted to eat meat. It causes pain now. Very strange to feel such a localized feeling as it traverses the intestines. The pain is in a small focused area, and is felt up high at first, then moves as it travels downwards. Before my changes this sort of pain was general, spread through the whole intestinal area as a dull ache. Now it is almost like I have a more solid awareness of each portion of my body.

(11-16-2011, 01:58 PM)Diana Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 01:30 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 01:29 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Whatever!!!

I said, "I stand behind you"

Oh man!!! I 'this close' to ACTUALLY breaking the rules.

For the record I'm rather confused by the moderator warning as well

This is an emotionally charged issue. I see nothing wrong with that. I personally have no problems with anyone's posts. I welcome all opinions. It's more reacting than attacking. It's all good .

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(11-16-2011, 01:29 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 01:26 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

Is that so? Then why hasn't it been done yet?

Need you ask? Even the group here is conflicted. It seems we can't even agree that to buy the inhumanely raised meat is to contribute to its perpetuation.

If every meat-eater went to a slaughterhouse and became aware of the process, then the choice would be an educated aware choice. I'm not saying the choice would be a or b, but it would be an aware choice.

One of the reasons it hasn't been done yet is unconsciousness.

(11-16-2011, 02:09 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: We are all connected.

Quote:What prompted you to stop eating meat in the first place?

Quote:I get similar feelings from tortilla chips these days

(11-16-2011, 02:13 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Be careful what you ask for. What if you looked around and everyone consciously chose "b", then you'd still need to search within to find that "peace".