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RE: STS Lies - Unbound - 06-07-2011
Indeed, 3D, I do not disagree with Radu.
Understand that to me there is nothing that is not truth. What is true for one may not be so for another. Now when I say enslavement to truth I refer to the obsession with one's own truths. To the point they deny the truths of others, and so become enslaved by themselves and their truth becomes a cage. Acceptance is the tenet of STO is it not? Those who become so attached to "purity" of truth will find their tunnel growing ever more and more narrow.
RE: ! - vbaba - 06-09-2011
(06-06-2011, 03:55 PM)seejay21 Wrote:(06-06-2011, 03:31 PM)pphuck Wrote:(06-06-2011, 11:27 AM)vbaba Wrote: Ra did not state many things! Ra's answers were limited to the questioner's knowledge and curiosity. Ra did not offer any information outside the scope of the question. Ra is like that!
Luckily, the question was asked explicitly, and answered.
Law of One Wrote:16.37 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.
Forgive me all, for my lack of memory and inconsideration - and thank you for the Ra quote and correction, pphuck. This one is coming from a 4th Density Awareness, not 3rd. It is most helpful to be reminded of and to be more sensitive of the Awareness status of 3D, which this one left in the past. The reminder is helpful at remembering the last Harvest, when we were unaware of a Written Law of One Manual, yet Polarized ourselves Positive with the Green Ray of Love in our hearts. L&L vbaba.
16.38 Questioner: That is a very important point. I used the wrong word. What I meant to say was that I believed that it was not necessary for an entity to be consciously aware of the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density.
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
Tuning of your Understanding comes in 4D -- of course you can start earlier, but it is neither essential nor necessary for harvest from 3D to 4D.
Why would you have to understand explicitly that there is a choice between STS and STO to come to the realization that caring for other people makes more sense then caring for yourself, or the other way around?
You don't, for example, need to understand *anything* to have an experience of being One with All. Check out Zen, which is all about experiencing and nothing about understanding.
This is exactly it! I begged and screamed for help and mercy stating exactly "I DO NOT UNDERSTAND!" over and over before my "awakening".
Forgive me all, for my lack of memory and inconsideration - and thank you for the Ra quote and correction, pphuck. This one is coming from a 4th Density Awareness, not 3rd. It is helpful to be reminded of and to be more sensitive of the Awareness status of 3D, which this one left in the past. The reminder is helpful at remembering the last Harvest, when a Written Law of One Manual was unavailable to refer to, yet we Polarized ourselves Positive with the Green Ray of Love in our hearts. L&L vbaba.
RE: STS Lies - Plenum - 03-22-2012
I can only echo what unity100 has said here.
(04-29-2011, 07:07 PM)unity100 Wrote: i have said that, sts entities seek to serve only the self, at all costs - even at the cost of violating free will, if they will be able to subdue. (remember mass landing talk in Ra material).
thus, sts entities can even violate the most fundamental rule of this creation if they calculate that they can pull it off.
that is as high as it gets. there is no higher rule known that, they can violate. the law of free will is the highest.
a source that can violate (apparently) the most fundamental law of this creation would not hesitate in lying to anyone, at any point, at any place. for, there are no rules in regard to honesty, until early 6th density starts to require some measure of honesty.
if we formulate simply - if it will result in conquest in eventual end, the sts entity would not hesitate from lying to anyone.
as for 'teachers', remember that, sts entities seek to learn sts path. and any kind of sts act, would be teaching. includes lying to serve self.
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it is appalling that people can attribute any modicum of honesty to service to self path. realizing that 'serving self by enslaving others' would include lying to reach that end, should not be so elusive ?
RE: STS Lies - Shin'Ar - 03-22-2012
Ahktu said: - Personally, I think it's silly to picture STS as this conglomeration of negative traits clumped together with no glue in-between. People seem to think they're just raving, vicious, lying, hateful monsters whose desires don't extend beyond raping, murdering and dragging us all into negative space.
I'd imagine they have personalities and preferences just like us, just a different goal to work toward. They are our brothers and sisters, not Disney villians who give us something to "boo" at. - liked by Monkey, bring4th aaron, kyachi and Ankh
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Shin'Ar replies:
How can I ask about this without sounding like I am accusing someone of being STS? This statement which was liked by four, leads me to a certain impression based upon what was said. Now I know what Aktu has stated here, but cannot be certain what the 'likers' actually liked it for, so I can't really extend my impression that far. So I ask in an effort to understand their thinking, does this statement mean that Aktu does 'not' believe that there are villains in the world who tend toward service to self? And is that what the four are in agreement with?
Is it okay to ask this question in this way? I know how I percieve the statement, but without asking I cannot draw conclusion.
RE: STS Lies - Bring4th_Austin - 03-22-2012
Shin'Ar, do you understand her use of the term, "Disney Villains?"
RE: STS Lies - Shin'Ar - 03-22-2012
Not sure how Ahktu meant it of course but to me it seems as though they are suggesting that we are making mountains out of mole hills. Is that accurate?
RE: STS Lies - Bring4th_Austin - 03-22-2012
I don't believe so. I know that she did not mean that there were no "villains" in the world attempting to manipulate and control. Disney villains are normally portrayed as a very specific type of evil, a very obvious and single-minded evil. We see them and recognize them as villains, and while they may look different, they're all the same...we KNOW that they are villains because they ooze evil.
I believe what she was trying to say is that STS entities vary as much as much as STO entities. She says, "I think it's silly to picture STS as this conglomeration of negative traits clumped together with no glue in-between." She's obviously stating that they do exist, and that they do have negative traits, some which may be obvious and some which may be not so obvious. But there is variety due to the fact that most entities consciously polarizing STS have probably not reached the 95% mark. There will still be traits within them that do not scream "villain," that do not polarize them towards STS, and that are not harmful for those around them. But then since we know STS entities are deceitful and manipulative, their evil will most likely not be as obvious as a Disney villain. A perfect STS would be hard to pick out of a crowd, unlike a Disney villain. These camouflaged manipulative acts obviously are harmful to those around them.
RE: STS Lies - XionComrade - 04-03-2012
(04-30-2011, 12:34 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: [quote='Bring4th_Monica' pid='37815' dateline='1304117333']
Exactly! The point isn't that they only lie, but that they lie a lot, so can't be trusted. How could we trust someone who has a track record of lying? How would we know if they're telling the truth or not?
But certainly another STS entity would know this, right? Why would they trust each other? Why would an STS group channel an STS entity when we can't know if they're telling the truth or not? It would seem to make STS channeling pointless to the eyes of the channeler, yet it still happens. And I know that STSers aren't naive nor stupid, and still there is trust.
On top of that, Ra says that they don't lie to STS channels. They provide no exceptions to this statement. It seems to me that these things combined suggests that STS entities CAN be trusted by STS channelers.
A big thing with the abduction phenomena, if I remember my readings right, is that the entire point of the torture and the projected terror is to demonstrate superiority/dominance between the Abductor(Master) and the Abductee(Student/Slave). A big thing when dealing with "Dark Ones" or whatever you want to call them, is that they seem to demand total loyalty. They require that you obliterate your will, and replace it with their own. You will get along very well once you get that down, once the being/s is your god so to speak. A demonologist I chatted with once mentioned that if you are buddy buddy with one, it is your best friend ever...so long as you do anything it asks/bend to it. As soon as you start showing free will/questioning it/showing any inkling of disobedience, you are in for a hell of a ride. I suppose that is why it is called "The Rocky path" by so many beings in the higher planes. Difficult to progress, although possible. They won't lie to their own servants, no reason to, because their servants are effectively just parts of their own body/selves.