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RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-20-2012
I just came across this going through an old post, and thought it pertinent to the thread:
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1982/1982_0402.aspx
Quote:S: Yes, so my higher self feels for me to see a UFO that it would be a distortion of my learning at this time?
I am Latwii. My brother, it is not our place or desire to speak for that higher self, for in doing so we could only hope to provide a distortion of the original intention. However, [if] we might again be permitted the use of an analogy, we would provide the following analogy. There are many of your race who follow a religious sect or grouping that refer to themselves as Christians, and whose lives are based upon the attempt to follow the teachings of that one we know as Amira. If we might pose a question to you we would do so as follows. If for these individuals a visitation by Amira occurred at each point of difficulty or temptation, would a substantial amount of growth occur within those individuals, or if a service which you refer to as a miracle would occur to remove this difficulty for them without the necessity of their faith or firmness of purpose being tested, would this be that which you would regard as beneficial or loving service?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - hogey11 - 11-21-2012
Why do we automatically assume that disclosure would mean that the lessons would turn off?
In real world terms, we are at the edge of the nest and ready to jump and fly. We've amassed huge piles of nuclear weapons over the last 75 years that would blow the world up dozens of times over. Somehow, we haven't used too many of them against people in the time we've had them. We're advancing in nearly every field at a quicker and quicker pace; we're not that far off from 'spaceships' and planetary travel, if we take the big picture into view.
So why can't there be aliens as a part of our early mixed 3D/4D experience? We're still going to be experiencing all sorts of 3D lessons throughout the rest of our lifetime as we adapt to new paradigms being put into place. For myself, I see something like Disclosure as a final exam more than a free ride. Let's say disclosure happens tomorrow - does that actually change anything for your life? I think it's a new set of lessons; not necessarily easier ones either. I think the decisions will get more and more dangerous in some ways, but might be that 'wake up' moment needed to truly test us as a whole.
I do agree on the responsibility thing tho. It'd be quite the sign if this Israel/Palestine thing gets fixed up, so here's hoping (not gonna hold my breath tho)
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - zenmaster - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 12:24 AM)hogey11 Wrote: Let's say disclosure happens tomorrowAnd you are going to believe what they tell you? What about the next person?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - hogey11 - 11-21-2012
Quote:And you are going to believe what they tell you? What about the next person?
That would be the 'final exam' of 3D. How do we respond? Do we help one another accept? Do people decide to leave their incarnations? Do we accept the ultimate version of 'other-self'?
I'm trying to say that many of the same lessons we are embroiled in right now would continue, but maybe with a little more potency due to the factors involved. We can sit here and focus on the bad things in the world that are happening at this junction, but in many other ways, the world has never been more positive. In relative terms, the world has never been at a better spot. That's the truth of it. I don't see all the negativity and this whole concept of masses upon masses of people not being able to deal with a new situation like this. I give people a whole lot more credit than maybe some others do. I think sometimes it's a trap to think that because we get into this stuff ourselves that we are so much more advanced than the 'civilian population', purely on the basis of engaging with things like The Law of One. Maybe by engaging with it, we are 'ahead of the pack' in some way, but that point of view is only a single step from elitism.
This was my earliest point; we cannot know the 'state of harvestability' in the places that receive no attention in this world (which is the majority of people). Wilcock told in his book of over 100,000 cases of monks and people from the Tibet/India/Mongolia area ascending into light at death. My question is whether these 'quiet' areas are actually the STO strongholds anchoring most of the positive light and intention on this planet. Meanwhile, us in the 'first world' are actually in the spiritual ghetto, where both hope and spiritual ability are actually at their lowest.
Again, i'm not saying that I know. I don't know. But I don't feel it's as cut and dry as we make it. I don't think we're that different from 'aliens' anymore. We're nearly on the same level, so why not include them in our paradigm? Again, with our capabilities with technology advancing more each day, might it become required at some point soon just on that basis alone?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - reeay - 11-21-2012
(11-19-2012, 12:20 PM)Siren Wrote: It's almost as if 3D Earth was a "special school" for spiritually impaired children who haven't yet learned to take responsibility for their own life's choices. One would think that after 75,000 years of catalyst at least half of the population would have learned to make The Choice by now, but this is not the case.
Why decide to keep coming back to this earth?
Why not go somewhere else where it's possible to learn through less 'limitations'?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Parsons - 11-21-2012
hogey, your desire to have disclosure ignores the law of free will. You are deciding for those people not read that they are ready.
rie, the more limited the experience, the more you learn. Hence the fact you had to fight tooth and nail to enter incarnation on Earth at this time.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012
(11-17-2012, 02:15 PM)zenmaster Wrote: My understanding is that more attaining 5SD simply means more opportunity to express "5SD vibratory rates". Because each in that subdensity, in addition to drawing from the vibration as a resource of mind, would be contributing some pioneering aspect of themselves due to their necessary uniqueness.
In another thread, you said:
zenmaster Wrote:Suffice to say that an increase in complexity of a m/b/s complex beyond the density barrier corresponds to an increase in available 'degrees of freedom' which is provided by the most basic properties of that new density.
So... would you agree that what you said here about the densities also applies to the subdensities? Or is it different? If so, how?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - hogey11 - 11-21-2012
Quote:hogey, your desire to have disclosure ignores the law of free will. You are deciding for those people not read that they are ready.
I'm not saying anything definitively. I'm saying maybe WE aren't ready for disclosure, but the billions of chinese, indian, and brazilian farmers out there are ready and have been preparing for it. These people have no soapbox, and if they really were STO, would they be seeking it?
I'm speaking not of determinations but of possibilities. I don't think it's impossible that the planetary population is much more positive and 'ready' for something like disclosure than most realize. I think the whole argument that we are so far away from being able to work with an event like this is not being fair with the growth of both positive philosophy and with population growth.
Quote:7.6 Questioner: About how many entities at present on planet Earth are calling for your services?
Ra: I am called personally by 352,000. The Confederation, in its entire spectrum of entity-complexes, is called by 632,000,000 of your mind/body/spirit complexes. These numbers have been simplified.
In 1980/1981, there were 632 Million calling for the various entities of the Confederation. Population has grown since then by 100% and the law of doubling (squares) is in effect.
Is it that crazy to think that we're ready for this as a global population?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Parsons - 11-21-2012
If the law of squares were in effect, disclosure/the end of quarantine would have already happened. You are stretching the concept of the law of squares to something that it doesn't apply to due to the law of free will.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012
That there would be a normal distribution is, of course, an assumption. But given that assumption, look at area between +2σ and +3σ.
During this same period that the focal point of the group mind (mass consciousness) moves through 5SD, the percentage of the population accessing 4D vibrations goes from 0.1% to 2.3%. The difference is between one out of a thousand (1:1000) to roughly one out of fifty (1:50). That's a HUGE difference, in consideration of how the Law of Squares applies to the group mind.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - hogey11 - 11-21-2012
Why do we believe all these numbers and attributes as if they were hard science? 0.5% this and 2.6% that. It's all made up numbers. None of us have access to planetary vibration levels or callings or subdensity make-ups. That's why I buck at the idea that zen or anyone else actually knows the number participating in each subdensity or that something like disclosure would violate the law of free will. None of us can know that. You would have to have access to the hearts and minds of the entire planet in order to make that kind of a judgement call.
Am I missing something? Is there some source of these 'hard numbers' that I am not knowing about?
Quote:If the law of squares were in effect, disclosure/the end of quarantine would have already happened.
What makes you say that?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 05:52 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Why do we believe all these numbers and attributes as if they were hard science? 0.5% this and 2.6% that. It's all made up numbers.
That's why I said it was an assumption.
Quote:Am I missing something? Is there some source of these 'hard numbers' that I am not knowing about?
This particular distribution does occur in nature fairly often. When or where in the curve we are is a secondary discussion, and there is probably no way to know for sure. But I think taking a reasonable guess shouldn't be automatically discredited.
Anyway, the point is in showing that the time differential between 0.2% and 2.0% of the population accessing 4D vibrations could be relatively swift, as compared to the length of the density as a whole.
It could change in, say, less than a decade. That's a whole order of magnitude of a difference. But more than that, it is enough of a difference, given the Law of Squares, to counterbalance the will of the masses.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - hogey11 - 11-21-2012
@Tenet - fair enough, I missed that in your post.
@Parsons - Again, why is disclosure such a huge infringement of free will if we have evolved to the point where we ourselves could be considered 'spacemen' or 'aliens' in 50 years time from now? Wouldn't disclosure offer a unique set of lessons and catalyst for all of us on earth? I am not presuming that disclosure would force us into contact with intelligent infinity or anything; rather I mean it on a purely 'human' level.
I don't believe aliens will change the world in a day or two. After disclosure, there will be a LOT of work; our plates would probably be more full than even they are now. The difference would be that it's positive work.
I get your argument is that the work isn't 'right' for us because we're not there yet collectively. But then, we come back to my original point: How do you know that? Are we not ready for disclosure only because you are not ready? Why do we feel able to speak for the 'we' when we only know about ourselves? Why shut down ideas when we cannot know if they are true or not?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012
Also remember:
12.17 Wrote:Questioner: Is an entity in the fourth density normally invisible to us?
Ra: I am Ra. The use of the word “normal” is one which befuddles the meaning of the question. Let us rephrase for clarity. The fourth density is, by choice, not visible to third density. It is possible for fourth density to be visible. However, it is not the choice of the fourth-density entity to be visible due to the necessity for concentration upon a rather difficult vibrational complex which is the third density you experience.
Given what we know, what has transpired here on Earth is not by any means "normal." Also- I get a feeling that "walking among the Earth peoples" is generally considered not a good idea by 4D populations, given our repeatedly demonstrated propensity for confusion and a willingness to murder each other over whose confusion is "right" and whose is "wrong."
Another way to look at it... as we (theoretically) move from 0.1% to 2.3% accessing 4D vibrations, that is roughly 150 million more people using 4D catalyst within a relatively short time frame.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - zenmaster - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 05:52 PM)hogey11 Wrote: None of us have access to planetary vibration levels or callings or subdensity make-ups.You are conflating different concepts.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - reeay - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 06:11 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Another way to look at it... as we (theoretically) move from 0.1% to 2.3% accessing 4D vibrations, that is roughly 150 million more people using 4D catalyst within a relatively short time frame.
Is that like 2 and 3 standard deviations from the mean (which I'm assuming is 4th subdensity)?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 07:51 PM)rie Wrote:(11-21-2012, 06:11 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Another way to look at it... as we (theoretically) move from 0.1% to 2.3% accessing 4D vibrations, that is roughly 150 million more people using 4D catalyst within a relatively short time frame.
Is that like 2 and 3 standard deviations from the mean (which I'm assuming is 4th subdensity)?
Yes- although in this particular graph the mean is on the border between 4th and 5th subdensity. It's debatable if that's actually the case, but I think a fair approximation.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Goldenratio - 11-21-2012
Tenet, im curious about what you feel causes the slowdown in growth/"advancement" in the middle sub densities as compared to your proposed relative speed at which apparently people move into and out of a density after going through this slow period.
And would this same pattern hold true if one were to look at growth through an octave do you think?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - reeay - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 07:59 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Yes- although in this particular graph the mean is on the border between 4th and 5th subdensity. It's debatable if that's actually the case, but I think a fair approximation.
Hopefully it's skewed to the right... or at least slightly more to the right.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 10:00 PM)Goldenratio Wrote: Tenet, im curious about what you feel causes the slowdown in growth/"advancement" in the middle sub densities as compared to your proposed relative speed at which apparently people move into and out of a density after going through this slow period.
I think different things can affect the variable length in years of the sub-densities. Free will can make a big difference one way or another.
In third-density we have mixed polarities, so those moving in both directions create a "drag" on each other, and contribute to the inertia of the masses to remain unpolarized.
Also, if we are to take the beginning of 4th sub-density to be ca. 1935, then we have moved through this subdensity relatively quickly as compared to the others. One difference would be having acquired nuclear capabilities and the attention that attracted to ourselves.
Quote:And would this same pattern hold true if one were to look at growth through an octave do you think?
Which pattern?
(11-21-2012, 10:33 PM)rie Wrote:(11-21-2012, 07:59 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Yes- although in this particular graph the mean is on the border between 4th and 5th subdensity. It's debatable if that's actually the case, but I think a fair approximation.
Hopefully it's skewed to the right... or at least slightly more to the right.
Why do you say that?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Cyan - 11-21-2012
What if I say that today, the quarantine will be lifted?
What happens cosmologically?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - reeay - 11-21-2012
(11-21-2012, 11:07 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:Hopefully it's skewed to the right... or at least slightly more to the right.
Why do you say that?
Sorry I meant skewed to the left... more people 4th/5th and above, than in the lower subdensities.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-21-2012
I found this quote looking for something else and thought it was relevant:
8.31 Wrote:Questioner: Would it be possible for any of us to have contact with the Confederation in a more direct way?
Ra: I am Ra. In observing the distortions of those who underwent this experiential sequence we decided to gradually back off, shall I say, from direct contact in thought-form. The least distortion seems to be available in mind-to-mind communication. Therefore, the request to be taken aboard is not one we care to comply with. You are most valuable in your present orientation.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Goldenratio - 11-22-2012
The bell curve pattern.
How would a bi polar system affect the "middle" so much moreso than the "ends"
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Cyan - 11-22-2012
(11-21-2012, 11:56 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I found this quote looking for something else and thought it was relevant:
8.31 Wrote:Questioner: Would it be possible for any of us to have contact with the Confederation in a more direct way?
Ra: I am Ra. In observing the distortions of those who underwent this experiential sequence we decided to gradually back off, shall I say, from direct contact in thought-form. The least distortion seems to be available in mind-to-mind communication. Therefore, the request to be taken aboard is not one we care to comply with. You are most valuable in your present orientation.
I'm not going to be taken onboard, I'm going to, unfortunately(anyone believe i feel unfortunate... right.), have to build my own ship to show I have the marbles for that kind of stuff. Quite different going to a planet of primitives and picking up that one dude that built his own spaceship (think, TNG first contact) compared to say, some guy in a house praying to be contacted without actually having done anything.
Want to be picked up, stop wanting to, and instead do something that arches enough astral eyebrows and makes enough entities curious. That way, they dont have previous experiental nexuses to refer to and have to "wing it" giving you as the lesser partner in the contact, the highest operative space (most possible options of what can happen) to move in.
Hope that makes sense to everyone.
Have fun trying to get a more direct contact... Its usually... Whats the right word.... mm... Mind-altering no matter what you do, and from my experience, almost always devastating to the pre-existing world view.
Edit: I think it goes a bit like this:
Confederation gets a call from a entity, they pop up and see whats what.
Entity has 1000+ different desires
3 strongest is "i want to continue living" "I want my family/friends to do ok" "I want to see aliens"
Number 1 and 2 require little work on the confederation part "okay, so we'll need to pick up some health magazines and societal magazines and drop them along this guys daily path and eventually he'll get the message. problem solved"
But what about number 3?
What if the only way they can show themselves to you is if at least at some point you have to admit to being dead. So that goes against 1st. And what if, additionally, they have to reveal that your friends ARE the aliens, so then it goes against 2 as well.
At that point, what do you as the confederation dude want to do?
Show only yourself as aliens and others as "humans" and take the high possibility that the dude will freak out and focus on "the aliens" and remember now,e veryone around them is one, so, what are they focusing on, exactly what no one wants them to focus on. Its like a reality TV show where the people focus on "hey i'm on TV, must be proper".
So. no, you wont be contacted because of the way reality works, you cant be until you are at least willing to admit on some level that you are dead. After that, you're fair game.
Anyway. The way I see it, if you are alone, starving, dehydrated and in situations where your death is "close at hand" anyway, you can be contacted because it is conceivably possibly that you will have a higher and higher probability of saying "s*** was just some hallucinations".
If i have my own ability to survive in space, its a bit different being contacted than if I have to have a planet around me.
Know what I mean?
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Oceania - 11-23-2012
why does that graph suddenly drop?
these bots are starting to annoy me.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-23-2012
(11-22-2012, 01:31 AM)Goldenratio Wrote: The bell curve pattern.
How would a bi polar system affect the "middle" so much moreso than the "ends"
I don't understand the question.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - christine10 - 11-23-2012
HOLYMOLYMOTHEREARTH......How do you guys remember ALL this stuff
WOW!!!Looks like I got alot of learning to do
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Tenet Nosce - 11-23-2012
(11-21-2012, 11:26 PM)rie Wrote:(11-21-2012, 11:07 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:Hopefully it's skewed to the right... or at least slightly more to the right.
Why do you say that?
Sorry I meant skewed to the left... more people 4th/5th and above, than in the lower subdensities.
There are no definitive quotes from the material to make an accurate determination. And even if there were definitive quotes, I am sure there would be multiple "interpretations" of said definitions!
But, knowing what we know about the densities, I think we can make some fair approximations about the sub-densities according to the Principle of Correspondence.For example, "The fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle (25.9)" Well, given that earth's population still lacks the wisdom to refrain from physical battle, that should tell us something about our current level of development. In a nutshell, given our current situation (i.e. perpetual war, poverty, starvation, disease, enslavement whether real or virtual, religious extremism and other forms of fanaticism), we cannot possibly be the highest expression of a third-density population.
However, if there were actually a sub-population that has been living in the inner earth that we don't "officially" know about, that could definitely skew the curve to the right. And considerably so.
RE: When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ? - Oceania - 11-23-2012
lol Christine your av cracks me up
i dunno what on earth they're babbling about either. i don't think bell curves were in the curriculum when i took Ra