(08-23-2016, 03:41 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Strange, usually in a dream sex is something bad. Usually if my dad is around in a dream I'm trying to hide it from him, or trying to avoid him because he's coming after me. He has kept me from good sex a lot of times in a dream.

(08-15-2016, 11:02 PM)ricdaw Wrote:

(08-15-2016, 05:00 PM)bluevision10s Wrote: So I've read though some of this thread and I'm disappointed with how people are responding.  Seems like there is a lot of anger and aggression, at each other, and at Ra.  People are picking material out of the books and throwing it at each other.  The message was simple.  There is no right and wrong, all things are love and all service is to the one Creator.  So if someone doesn't like gay people, that is okay.  And if a gay person does not like the person that doesn't like him, that is okay too. Everyone is still learning and growing.

Ra says that homosexuality is an impairment...etc, etc.  You may disagree with him but every student doesn't always agree with his teacher.  But that is why he is your teacher.  The idea is to learn from your teacher not him/her condemn because you disagree with their interpretation.  My doctor had a great quote, "When the student is ready, the teacher will be there."  Not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons.  Some people need more time and some people need less.

So take your time thinking about what you've read in the LOO books.  If you need to take a few weeks or longer off from LOO to digest, meditate, think it over, etc.  Even if you have to throw it away to feel normal again, then do it.  It took me 10 years of reading/thinking about these books until I have finally been able to move on and not worship the information.  Have patience.  All is one.

I think you are misunderstanding the source of the incredulity and disappointment about what Ra is saying.  The anger is a reflection of the magnitude of that disappointment in that the material is SO IMPORTANT, how can it be so wrong here?

Your thesis here, that the greater Ra teaching, "all is one" excuses Ra's answer on homosexuality is exactly the same kind of excuse that white people make when confronted with "Black Lives Matter."  It is a false dichotomy to say, "no, All Lives Matter."  But white people aren't being gunned down by the police every other day are they?  It's like going to the doctor, "my left arm hurts!"  "Oh?" says the doctor.  "How's that right arm?  Because all limbs matter." And what would you think of such a doctor who spent the appointment looking at the other arm and your legs?  Would you feel THIS SMALL?  Your complaint delegitimized?

You too would be in the same thinking if, in answer to two questions, Ra had said:

• Black skin is an impairment from the logos' design which was for white people. 
  
• The polarity of male and female is master over servant: the female is lessor. 
  
• The creator designed a master race, the others are accidental impairments and deviations from it. 
  

Homosexuality was not described as a variation in the human experience like height, weight, skin color, hair color, strength, stamina, charisma, intelligence, health, etc.  Nope. Homosexuality is an "impairment."

Words matter, bluevision. And for being a channel of exquisite clarity and precise words, Ra's words resonate with some of us deeply. 

To say, "not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons" is to be condescending and smug.  

To say, "the idea is to learn from the teacher" not to disagree, is actually directly counter to the teaching, which is to teach discernment and the use of free will which, BTW, INCLUDES rejecting the teaching. 

To say "all is one" so that these disagreements become trivial and unimportant, is to devalue the humanity of the people who are expressing something different. Hush you silly people.  You "just need more time" to understand what Ra is really saying, like "10 years of reading/thinking about it."

"Have patience."

Seriously. Do you not hear the condescension oozing from what you have written here?  Because I sure do. 

(08-15-2016, 11:02 PM)ricdaw Wrote:

(08-15-2016, 05:00 PM)bluevision10s Wrote: So I've read though some of this thread and I'm disappointed with how people are responding.  Seems like there is a lot of anger and aggression, at each other, and at Ra.  People are picking material out of the books and throwing it at each other.  The message was simple.  There is no right and wrong, all things are love and all service is to the one Creator.  So if someone doesn't like gay people, that is okay.  And if a gay person does not like the person that doesn't like him, that is okay too. Everyone is still learning and growing.

Ra says that homosexuality is an impairment...etc, etc.  You may disagree with him but every student doesn't always agree with his teacher.  But that is why he is your teacher.  The idea is to learn from your teacher not him/her condemn because you disagree with their interpretation.  My doctor had a great quote, "When the student is ready, the teacher will be there."  Not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons.  Some people need more time and some people need less.

So take your time thinking about what you've read in the LOO books.  If you need to take a few weeks or longer off from LOO to digest, meditate, think it over, etc.  Even if you have to throw it away to feel normal again, then do it.  It took me 10 years of reading/thinking about these books until I have finally been able to move on and not worship the information.  Have patience.  All is one.

I think you are misunderstanding the source of the incredulity and disappointment about what Ra is saying.  The anger is a reflection of the magnitude of that disappointment in that the material is SO IMPORTANT, how can it be so wrong here?

Your thesis here, that the greater Ra teaching, "all is one" excuses Ra's answer on homosexuality is exactly the same kind of excuse that white people make when confronted with "Black Lives Matter."  It is a false dichotomy to say, "no, All Lives Matter."  But white people aren't being gunned down by the police every other day are they?  It's like going to the doctor, "my left arm hurts!"  "Oh?" says the doctor.  "How's that right arm?  Because all limbs matter." And what would you think of such a doctor who spent the appointment looking at the other arm and your legs?  Would you feel THIS SMALL?  Your complaint delegitimized?

You too would be in the same thinking if, in answer to two questions, Ra had said:

• Black skin is an impairment from the logos' design which was for white people. 
  
• The polarity of male and female is master over servant: the female is lessor. 
  
• The creator designed a master race, the others are accidental impairments and deviations from it. 
  

Homosexuality was not described as a variation in the human experience like height, weight, skin color, hair color, strength, stamina, charisma, intelligence, health, etc.  Nope. Homosexuality is an "impairment."

Words matter, bluevision. And for being a channel of exquisite clarity and precise words, Ra's words resonate with some of us deeply. 

To say, "not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons" is to be condescending and smug.  

To say, "the idea is to learn from the teacher" not to disagree, is actually directly counter to the teaching, which is to teach discernment and the use of free will which, BTW, INCLUDES rejecting the teaching. 

To say "all is one" so that these disagreements become trivial and unimportant, is to devalue the humanity of the people who are expressing something different. Hush you silly people.  You "just need more time" to understand what Ra is really saying, like "10 years of reading/thinking about it."

"Have patience."

Seriously. Do you not hear the condescension oozing from what you have written here?  Because I sure do. 

(08-25-2016, 09:54 PM)bluevision10s Wrote:

(08-15-2016, 11:02 PM)ricdaw Wrote:

(08-15-2016, 05:00 PM)bluevision10s Wrote: So I've read though some of this thread and I'm disappointed with how people are responding.  Seems like there is a lot of anger and aggression, at each other, and at Ra.  People are picking material out of the books and throwing it at each other.  The message was simple.  There is no right and wrong, all things are love and all service is to the one Creator.  So if someone doesn't like gay people, that is okay.  And if a gay person does not like the person that doesn't like him, that is okay too. Everyone is still learning and growing.

Ra says that homosexuality is an impairment...etc, etc.  You may disagree with him but every student doesn't always agree with his teacher.  But that is why he is your teacher.  The idea is to learn from your teacher not him/her condemn because you disagree with their interpretation.  My doctor had a great quote, "When the student is ready, the teacher will be there."  Not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons.  Some people need more time and some people need less.

So take your time thinking about what you've read in the LOO books.  If you need to take a few weeks or longer off from LOO to digest, meditate, think it over, etc.  Even if you have to throw it away to feel normal again, then do it.  It took me 10 years of reading/thinking about these books until I have finally been able to move on and not worship the information.  Have patience.  All is one.

I think you are misunderstanding the source of the incredulity and disappointment about what Ra is saying.  The anger is a reflection of the magnitude of that disappointment in that the material is SO IMPORTANT, how can it be so wrong here?

Your thesis here, that the greater Ra teaching, "all is one" excuses Ra's answer on homosexuality is exactly the same kind of excuse that white people make when confronted with "Black Lives Matter."  It is a false dichotomy to say, "no, All Lives Matter."  But white people aren't being gunned down by the police every other day are they?  It's like going to the doctor, "my left arm hurts!"  "Oh?" says the doctor.  "How's that right arm?  Because all limbs matter." And what would you think of such a doctor who spent the appointment looking at the other arm and your legs?  Would you feel THIS SMALL?  Your complaint delegitimized?

You too would be in the same thinking if, in answer to two questions, Ra had said:

• Black skin is an impairment from the logos' design which was for white people. 
  
• The polarity of male and female is master over servant: the female is lessor. 
  
• The creator designed a master race, the others are accidental impairments and deviations from it. 
  

Homosexuality was not described as a variation in the human experience like height, weight, skin color, hair color, strength, stamina, charisma, intelligence, health, etc.  Nope. Homosexuality is an "impairment."

Words matter, bluevision. And for being a channel of exquisite clarity and precise words, Ra's words resonate with some of us deeply. 

To say, "not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons" is to be condescending and smug.  

To say, "the idea is to learn from the teacher" not to disagree, is actually directly counter to the teaching, which is to teach discernment and the use of free will which, BTW, INCLUDES rejecting the teaching. 

To say "all is one" so that these disagreements become trivial and unimportant, is to devalue the humanity of the people who are expressing something different. Hush you silly people.  You "just need more time" to understand what Ra is really saying, like "10 years of reading/thinking about it."

"Have patience."

Seriously. Do you not hear the condescension oozing from what you have written here?  Because I sure do. 

I'm sorry your upset with what I have written.  I wasn't trying to be smug or condescending.  You missed the truly compassionate nature of my message.  

What I meant when I said the LOO was not for everyone, I meant that the material can open your mind in such a way that you may go insane.  Not to mention there are many sub levels to each dimensions and I believe it's important not to rush.  The problem is that you go over in your head...is it real?  Is it the truth?  I can't prove it.. etc.  I was trying to help people cope with that problem by meditating on the material, etc.  This helps you face yourself.

Plus I thought the LOO forum's were to discuss and continue the spiritual growth of the person.  But if you don't believe in the material and are rejecting some of it then why are you on this forum?  It seems from your post that your more interested in discrediting the information than discussing it in a loving manner.

And I don't appreciate you trashing me on this site.  If people continue to communicate to me this way on this forum then I won't be posting or coming to the forum any more.

(08-25-2016, 09:54 PM)bluevision10s Wrote: But if you don't believe in the material and are rejecting some of it then why are you on this forum?

(08-25-2016, 09:54 PM)bluevision10s Wrote: What I meant when I said the LOO was not for everyone, I meant that the material can open your mind in such a way that you may go insane. Not to mention there are many sub levels to each dimensions and I believe it's important not to rush. The problem is that you go over in your head...is it real? Is it the truth? I can't prove it.. etc. I was trying to help people cope with that problem by meditating on the material, etc. This helps you face yourself.

(09-02-2016, 04:10 AM)Saiyan Wrote: Dear brothers and sisters,

If you do not like Ra material or his teachings, then you should go to another forum.

Somehow it seems like gay people here are more heterophobic than the other way around.

You should accept your distorsions and impairments instead of trying to justify something which isn't normal.

King regards...

Quote:Dear Chandlersdad,

Mental illnesses exist in animals as well,  I agree with you on that. But that doesn't mean it is normal. Animals can have distorsions/impairments too,  but at least they do not deny it and try to present it as something normal/good.

I'm not bashing anyone for being gay,  I'm bashing you for bashing Ra for stating the fact that you don't agree with.

If you are so easily offended by someone's opinion which differs from yours, maybre the real problem is in you my friend, you need to accept your distorsions insted of "fighting" people who tell you the truth.

What do you think about those examples when gay people went to psychiatrist, were successfuly cured and now live their lives as straight people?

Kind regards Chandlersdad...

(09-04-2016, 07:42 AM)Papercut Wrote: maybe so, but even that, does it truly matter what path you take if it brings you true happiness? duality is no more than an illusion, no orientation is correct, once we connect, all is one, all is gender-less, all is love. so tell me, what do you love, brother? I know for certain, I love you, regardless of your profound understanding in gay people, which obviously you have no clue how it is like?

(09-08-2016, 01:56 AM)Chandlersdad Wrote: I began this thread long ago. But it is not my desire to keep responding to the occasional ignorant poster here. Gay guys - I am not going to keep doing the heavy lifting here. If someone else wishes to "defend their sexuality", they may do so. but I really have done my part to tell it like it is. If that is not allowed within a Ra oriented forum, then I would say that Ra is full of it when it comes to explaining human sexuality in a 3rd density reality. I would consider prejudice a major distortion of the Law of One, not 2 men loving each other. THE END

Quote:It may seem that the rational or analytical mind might have more of a possibility of successfully pursuing the negative orientation due to the fact that in our understanding too much order is by its essence negative. However, this same ability to structure abstract concepts and to analyze experiential data may be the key to rapid positive polarization.

Diana Wrote:Humans are still mostly in herd mentality, where anyone different from the herd is perceived as a threat.

(09-15-2016, 11:57 AM)Diana Wrote: So to identify as gay or heterosexual has little meaning to me. I try to drop these identities. I am female and I am attracted sexually to males. But that doesn't mean I don't ever have sexual feelings for women—they just aren't that strong. But the lines are blurred. And I think the lines are meaningless once you remove procreation and societal judgments (which are ever-changing according to human fears) form the equation.