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RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - zenmaster - 01-10-2012
(01-10-2012, 10:11 AM)yossarian Wrote: Vibration is basically a euphemism for emotions, as far as I can tell.'vibration', in the sense of the material, is not a euphemism for emotions. Emotions relate to how we respond to the unconscious, which does change based on one's vibration. Vibration, in the sense of the individual, is basically where the 'serpent' rests - and is more fundamentally about awareness in general. It is essentially indicative of what is capable of being accepted and processed, because the higher always transcends yet also includes the lower.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - yossarian - 01-10-2012
An interesting question for me is regarding the best way to raise your vibration.
Inelia Benz says that the best way she has found to raise a person's vibration is to get them to notice and then process their fears. Her fear processing exercise tells you to feel the fear, let it exist, let it expand, let it speak to you, bless it, thank it, accept it, until it dissolves away into the creator basically.
This is interesting because psychodynamic psychologists suggest the same thing. A psychologist might tell you to improve your emotional state ("vibration") by facing your shame, sitting with it, accepting it, being mindful of it, exploring it, talking about it, talking TO it, and so on. Psychodynamic psychotherapists see this as processing the emotion. Exposure therapy and related therapies like EMDR do the same thing essentially -- feel the emotion, pay attention to it, let it exist, accept it.
When people do these procedures, if they are processing shame for instance, they will feel ashamed. The feeling of shame grows and grows and they feel very very ashamed, theoretically lowering their vibration.
After feeling enough shame, and properly letting it exist (using effective therapy) then the shame dissipates and the person is happier, less neurotic, less compulsive.
So the raising of the emotional state ("vibration") actually requires going more deeply into the negative emotional states and processing them. This can be seen as temporary suffering for the longer term benefit.
(01-10-2012, 10:23 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-10-2012, 10:11 AM)yossarian Wrote: Vibration is basically a euphemism for emotions, as far as I can tell.'vibration', in the sense of the material, is not a euphemism for emotions. Emotions relate to how we respond to the unconscious, which does change based on one's vibration. Vibration, in the sense of the individual, is basically where the 'serpent' rests - and is more fundamentally about awareness in general. It is essentially indicative of what is capable of being accepted and processed, because the higher always transcends yet also includes the lower.
I wonder if we could nail down vibration to something more concrete?
How would you measure someone's vibration through observation of their emotions, thoughts, or behaviour? As opposed to trying to figure out where the metaphorical serpent's head is in the metaphorical energy body.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Meerie - 01-10-2012
(01-10-2012, 10:24 AM)yossarian Wrote: I wonder if we could nail down vibration to something more concrete?
How would you measure someone's vibration through observation of their emotions, thoughts, or behaviour? As opposed to trying to figure out where the metaphorical serpent's head is in the metaphorical energy body.
D. R. Hawkins measured consciousness levels, as follows (maybe you could link it to vibrations, since lower emotions, like shame and guilt have smaller numbers than the ones that cause you to vibrate higher, like love etc)
700-1000 enlightenment
Peace 600
Joy
Love 500
Reason 400
Acceptance 350
Willingness 310
Neutrality 250
Courage 200
Pride 175
Anger 150
Desire 125
Fear 100
Grief 75
Apathy 50
Guilt 30
Shame 20
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Shin'Ar - 01-10-2012
Experiencing shame and guilt for the sake of exaggerating it to alter vibrations is foolhardy.
What you are addressing is the coming to awareness and understanding of the cause and reason for that shame or guilt. It is understanding it which allows one to eradicate it and move away from it. What you are proposing is living in the extremity of it as though it is doing you some benefit. It is not!
Everything in this existence has a vibration which resonates on a frequency. This can actually measured. It is not resonated from the base of the spine, it resonates from the very fire of your existence. deep within your cellular construct at the place where matter and spirit combine. And it resonates out from you like a sphere around you, a field expanding concentrically. Some people can actually see this as a colorful aura.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - yossarian - 01-10-2012
I read his book Power vs Force but I found it pretty lacking. It's entirely based on divination rather than observation.
Other than divination, he provides no explanation of how to measure or determine someone's "level".
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Meerie - 01-10-2012
Do you call kinesiology divination?
Well I guess if you want scientific proof then this won't work for you at all.
But honestly I don't see a way of scientifically measuring emotions, thoughts or vibrations.
Not with our 3D standards of materially based science anyway.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - yossarian - 01-10-2012
(01-10-2012, 10:46 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Experiencing shame and guilt for the sake of exaggerating it to alter vibrations is foolhardy.
What you are addressing is the coming to awareness and understanding of the cause and reason for that shame or guilt. It is understanding it which allows one to eradicate it and move away from it. What you are proposing is living in the extremity of it as though it is doing you some benefit. It is not!
Doesn't understanding it require feeling it?
Psychologists don't say to exaggerate the feelings. They say to feel them as they are, as well as try to understand them.
Inelia Benz says you should allow your fear to grow as big as it can go. So maybe that is a suggestion to exaggerate the fear.
(01-10-2012, 10:54 AM)Meerie Wrote: Do you call kinesiology divination?
Yeah. I don't see how muscle testing is any different than dowsing.
Quote:Well I guess if you want scientific proof then this won't work for you at all.
But honestly I don't see a way of scientifically measuring emotions, thoughts or vibrations.
Not with our 3D standards of materially based science anyway.
Psychologists have highly rigorous scientific methods of measuring emotions and thoughts.
Physicists measure vibration and express it in units of Hertz. So theoretically if the fundamental vibrations are really vibrations we could measure their actual frequency.
Shin'Ar - you sound a lot like Heraclitus with your talk about fire. He said that fire is the "physis" - the basis of all creation. You talk about the Sacred Fyre in a similar way. Ra actually mentioned Heraclitus in the LOO, come to think of it! LOL I just remembered that, that is a weird little connection.
Ra Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. For many of your centuries, both the Confederation and the Orion Confederation busied themselves with each other upon planes above your own, shall we say, planes in time/space whereby machinations were conceived and the armor of light girded. Battles have been and are continuing to be fought upon these levels.
Upon the Earth plane, energies had been set in motion which did not cause a great deal of call. There were isolated instances of callings, one such taking place beginning approximately 2,600 of your years in the past in what you would call Greece (at this time) and resulting in writings and understandings of some facets of the Law of One. We especially note the one known as Thales and the one known as Heraclitus, those being of the philosopher career, as you may call it, teaching their students. We also point out the understandings of the one known as Pericles.
At this time there was a limited amount of visionary information which the Confederation was allowed to telepathically impress. However, for the most part, during this time empires died and rose according to the attitudes and energies set in motion long ago, not resulting in strong polarization but rather in that mixture of the positive and the warlike or negative which has been characteristic of this final minor cycle of your beingness.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Shin'Ar - 01-10-2012
May we always honor the Sacred Fire that dances within the form of every creation.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Meerie - 01-10-2012
http://www.themagicofquantum.com/review.php
here it says: love is at 0,10-0,15 Hz
negative feelings at 0,01-0,08 Hz
(basically the same that Hawkins is saying, positive has higher frequencies, but since it is measured in Hz, it may appeal to your scientific mind more
)(be careful - the music on that website is entrancing! whoah! )
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - yossarian - 01-10-2012
(01-10-2012, 11:23 AM)Meerie Wrote: http://www.themagicofquantum.com/review.php
here it says: love is at 0,10-0,15 Hz
negative feelings at 0,01-0,08 Hz
(basically the same that Hawkins is saying, positive has higher frequencies, but since it is measured in Hz, it may appeal to your scientific mind more
(be careful - the music on that website is entrancing! whoah! )
I dont care how it's measured, I was just pointing out that vibration can definitely be measured.
Also I'm not saying Hawkins is wrong, I'm saying its weak to depend entirely on divination when studying emotions, since there are tools that are way more transparent and not so subject to operator error.
He claims his muscle testing, when done by him, is literally infallible. That just seems ridiculous. All divination/dowsing/whatever is subject to operator error, just like all channelling.
(01-10-2012, 10:46 AM)ShinAr Wrote: What you are addressing is the coming to awareness and understanding of the cause and reason for that shame or guilt. It is understanding it which allows one to eradicate it and move away from it. What you are proposing is living in the extremity of it as though it is doing you some benefit. It is not!
Based on your writing, the understanding I'm gleaning from my experience of negative emotions is that I should look for understanding in them.
When trying to balance a negative emotion like shame, how do you avoid repressing it?
I can always just repress a negative emotion and generate a positive one to cover it up. This takes a lot of energy. Is that what you're proposing?
For me I can see two clear ways to deal with negative emotions
(A) Feel them fully when they arise, put my attention on them, try to understand, try to see the creator, try to see the love in the moment
(B) Use muscle or psychological tension to repress the feeling and then more tension to generate a positive feeling in replacement.
It seems you wouldn't recommend (B), but the (A) path tends to lead to a lot of negative feelings, but I do believe that eventually the (A) path leads to a kind of parting clouds and a relief, a lightness.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - SomaticDreams - 01-10-2012
(01-10-2012, 11:58 AM)yossarian Wrote:(01-10-2012, 10:46 AM)ShinAr Wrote: What you are addressing is the coming to awareness and understanding of the cause and reason for that shame or guilt. It is understanding it which allows one to eradicate it and move away from it. What you are proposing is living in the extremity of it as though it is doing you some benefit. It is not!
Based on your writing, the understanding I'm gleaning from my experience of negative emotions is that I should look for understanding in them.
When trying to balance a negative emotion like shame, how do you avoid repressing it?
I can always just repress a negative emotion and generate a positive one to cover it up. This takes a lot of energy. Is that what you're proposing?
For me I can see two clear ways to deal with negative emotions
(A) Feel them fully when they arise, put my attention on them, try to understand, try to see the creator, try to see the love in the moment
(B) Use muscle or psychological tension to repress the feeling and then more tension to generate a positive feeling in replacement.
It seems you wouldn't recommend (B), but the (A) path tends to lead to a lot of negative feelings, but I do believe that eventually the (A) path leads to a kind of parting clouds and a relief, a lightness.
We usually relate to our thoughts in two ways. We obey our thoughts as our boss, or we create enemies with our thoughts. One thinks "Im hungry", and instantly you feel hungry. Another time you think "I don't like this sound, or smell" and instantly, the senses repel.
The third way of relating to your thoughts, senses, emotions, feelings is making friends with them. If you give attention to them, that's good, but you should not revert to judgement in this state. Think of how you treat your friends. You listen to them without judgement, and hear them out. You treat them with compassion and love. Do the same with the way you react to the world- to your thoughts.
Trying to grasp either way is like closing your fist to and waving it through fog, expecting to catch some. Making friends with the world, is to open your hand to the fog, realizing the impermanence of it, but still being able to see the fog more clearly without distorting it by thrashing around, trying to catch it. Eventually the fog will clear away, and when it does, you won't be sad you didn't catch anything and wait for the next fog to roll in. You'll simply be open to whatever changes come through.
If you do this, you certainly will have a 'parting of the clouds' that leads to a more peaceful, light, joyful existence.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Meerie - 01-10-2012
(01-10-2012, 11:58 AM)yossarian Wrote: I dont care how it's measured, I was just pointing out that vibration can definitely be measured.
Also I'm not saying Hawkins is wrong, I'm saying its weak to depend entirely on divination when studying emotions, since there are tools that are way more transparent and not so subject to operator error.
He claims his muscle testing, when done by him, is literally infallible. That just seems ridiculous. All divination/dowsing/whatever is subject to operator error, just like all channelling.
Yes I was getting suspicious when he calibrated the Republican party higher than the democrats
However much of his stuff resonates well with me.
I don't think kinesiology is infallible either, nor scientific measuring, whatever that may be.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - zenmaster - 01-10-2012
(01-10-2012, 10:24 AM)yossarian Wrote: I wonder if we could nail down vibration to something more concrete?There are at least three 'vibrational rates' that I can describe, of which I'm aware. 1) One is measured by violet ray. That includes past and current balancing work, as far as I can tell. This is the one which determines 'harvestibility' to a lighter body.
How would you measure someone's vibration through observation of their emotions, thoughts, or behaviour?
2) A secondary rate is measured by 'center-of-gravity' balance in this lifetime and is used in the face of most catalyst.
3) Another is the current-working vibrational rate (the conditional rate, subject to the most change). Basically, when you work to 'raise your vibration', you are increasing that secondary rate. This is regardless of your distortions/imbalances which normally keep your vibration at a certain average (relatively lower) center of gravity.
As far as I know, only if you contact 'intelligent infinity' within a particular lifetime do you really 'know' if you have balanced sufficiently for harvest. Because then balance becomes transparent through 'faith'.
Vibrations can be raised in various ways, such as from meditation and crystal work.
(01-10-2012, 10:24 AM)yossarian Wrote: As opposed to trying to figure out where the metaphorical serpent's head is in the metaphorical energy body.While the serpent is metaphorical, the energy body is not - but I get your point.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - yossarian - 01-13-2012
(01-04-2012, 12:28 PM)ShinAr Wrote: The 'default state' is the root which attaches, and is not severed as we build on our intellect until we begin to understand that everything that we have built upon is that root building block. Our entire identification of what we believe to be our self and ego is rooted in the early stages of that root becoming what we think we are.
Transcending from that state of thinking with the flesh comes when we understand that we are more than the sum of that experience, and are capable of thinking via our consciousness, instead of our flesh/brain. In this means of experiencing reality our field is exaggerated and becomes the 'feeler' for our environment, instead of our physical senses as we have known this life prior. But this is all outside of the topic of this thread and so I will leave you with that thought in response to your remarks.
Are you describing intuition? I'm particularly thinking of Jung's type of intuition?
Jung sets up the dichotomy between sensing and intuiting as ways of information gathering.
Are the roots and branches of the tree of life those energetic tendrils of consciousness that extend out to the environment and gather information?
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Meerie - 01-14-2012
by the way DW updated his blog.
Very interesting read, and the youtube video with Susan Lindauer is awesome as well.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Ecz - 01-15-2012
It's fascinating to me that people distract themselves with "entertainment" and remain oblivious to the ongoings of the world -- when in my opinion there is nothing more entertaining than stuff like this.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - zenmaster - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 12:31 AM)Ecz Wrote: It's fascinating to me that people distract themselves with "entertainment" and remain oblivious to the ongoings of the world -- when in my opinion there is nothing more entertaining than stuff like this.The realm of possibility can be entertaining, regardless of its involvement with historical reality.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Ecz - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 02:40 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The realm of possibility can be entertaining, regardless of its involvement with historical reality.
I suppose you're right. Just seems to me that reality has a more interesting plot than Two and a Half Men.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - zenmaster - 01-15-2012
Truth is stranger than fiction. Whose fiction do you subscribe to?
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Oceania - 01-15-2012
entertainment is in the eye of the beholder. and i think the real world is a little too weird. i'd rather live in my chosen fiction.
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Ecz - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 03:31 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Truth is stranger than fiction. Whose fiction do you subscribe to?
Indeed. I honestly don't read/watch much fiction these days. However I do remain an Alan Moore fan among others.. yourself?
(01-15-2012, 06:03 AM)Oceania Wrote: entertainment is in the eye of the beholder. and i think the real world is a little too weird. i'd rather live in my chosen fiction.
You're right, my wording came across as judgmental. To each their own, who am I to say which plot is better
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - zenmaster - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 02:56 PM)Ecz Wrote:Generally, whatever fiction is conveniently conveyed and accepted whether it's for entertainment, relationships, business or learning. We all necessarily treat something 'as if' to feed our bias into inevitable obsolescence or imagine a future that inherently does not exist, while at the same time we are necessarily creating the future. You have to laugh at both truth and fiction and recognize they are the same thing here. Oh yeah, that goes even for those that have a spiritual 'gnosis'. In the end, you always have to ask yourself if some seemingly useful or guiding belief is indeed practical, inadequate or unnecessarily limiting, beneficial, etc. If we do not provide ourselves with such a 'transformation of mind', we can not balance and remove distortions.(01-15-2012, 03:31 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Truth is stranger than fiction. Whose fiction do you subscribe to?
Indeed. I honestly don't read/watch much fiction these days. However I do remain an Alan Moore fan among others.. yourself?
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - Ecz - 01-15-2012
(01-15-2012, 03:24 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Generally, whatever fiction is conveniently conveyed and accepted whether it's for entertainment, relationships, business or learning. We all necessarily treat something 'as if' to feed our bias into inevitable obsolescence or imagine a future that inherently does not exist, while at the same time we are necessarily creating the future. You have to laugh at both truth and fiction and recognize they are the same thing here. Oh yeah, that goes even for those that have a spiritual 'gnosis'. In the end, you always have to ask yourself if some seemingly useful or guiding belief is indeed practical, inadequate or unnecessarily limiting, beneficial, etc. If we do not provide ourselves with such a 'transformation of mind', we can not balance and remove distortions.
Great point! This has me reassessing my views toward fiction as, "What's the point?" I appreciate the fresh perspective, thanks Zen. Same goes for Oceania
RE: David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS - apeiron - 01-16-2012
(01-14-2012, 01:21 PM)Meerie Wrote: by the way DW updated his blog.
Very interesting read, and the youtube video with Susan Lindauer is awesome as well.
I am reading part 3 and it seems very well researched so far. Quite a bit of work done.
Thanks for the update.