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The Forgetting - Sabou - 12-25-2014
What does it mean to penetrate the forgetting?
Have we all penetrated the forgetting because we, even if we don't have actual conscious memory of beyond the veil we have complete faith and a knowing. Like the quote says below, for wanderers the forgetting can only be penetrated by disciplined meditation and working, but I feel like most of the people here probably "remember" by reading this material alone. I am wondering if there is gradations of penetrating the forgetting and if we penetrate far enough would that allow for penetrating intelligent infinity, because I feel they are different.
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63.14 ↥ Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.
We may respond to the heart of your questioning by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, consciously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction, to an entity oriented towards service to others, of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.
63.17 ↥ Questioner: Is the reason that they can do this and the fifth- and sixth-density Wanderers who are here cannot do it the fact that they have the fourth-density body in activation?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Wanderers are third-density activated in mind/body/spirit and are subject to the forgetting which can only be penetrated with disciplined meditation and working.
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RE: The Forgetting - anagogy - 12-25-2014
There are gradations of penetrating the forgetting. It's basically recalling your time/space memories. Dual bodied individuals have more natural access to their soul memories. Wanderers can remember as well, its just slightly more difficult.
Penetrating intelligent infinity is something else altogether. It's more like going beyond memory, which is of the mind, and opening your consciousness to the oneness of the universe.
It's a fine line, though. Knowledge, which is memory, isn't enough to access intelligent infinity, and actually often serves to impede access to it.
RE: The Forgetting - AnthroHeart - 12-25-2014
Ra also says it is infringement to penetrate the forgetting enough to activate the more denser bodies, and live like a god.
RE: The Forgetting - anagogy - 12-25-2014
(12-25-2014, 03:20 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Ra also says it is infringement to penetrate the forgetting enough to activate the more denser bodies, and live like a god.
Yes, however, there is a loophole there - - they, or anyone really, *can* activate the denser bodies through the use of present 3rd density experience. You just can't do it as a result of higher density experience. Free will necessitates a free reach of all potential energies.
It is highly unlikely however.
RE: The Forgetting - AnthroHeart - 12-25-2014
Even most of the monks aren't godlike I take it.
RE: The Forgetting - Sabou - 12-25-2014
I see what you mean about penetrating the forgetting corresponding to recalling time/space memories, when Ra says:
(12-25-2014, 01:29 PM)Ra Wrote: the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, consciously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third density is unable to remember due to the forgetting
Implying that dual activated entities are aware of 4th density understandings which wanderers are unable to remember due to the forgetting, which is odd. It would seem that wanderers would very well be aware of these understandings, unless assuming they, being of 5th and 6th density have less access since it has been a while since they were there compared to dual activated/4th density wanderers. I also find that this quote from Ra implies that being consciously aware of 4th density understandings qualifies as piercing the forgetting even without remembering any time/space memories, maybe I am misunderstanding what is ment by 4th density understandings.
RE: The Forgetting - AnthroHeart - 12-26-2014
The Ra material certainly helps with remembering. Before I found it I had no inkling of "wanderer" although I believed I may have been from another planet.
RE: The Forgetting - Bluebell - 12-26-2014
(12-25-2014, 03:47 PM)Sabou Wrote: I see what you mean about penetrating the forgetting corresponding to recalling time/space memories, when Ra says:
(12-25-2014, 01:29 PM)Ra Wrote: the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, consciously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third density is unable to remember due to the forgetting
Implying that dual activated entities are aware of 4th density understandings which wanderers are unable to remember due to the forgetting, which is odd. It would seem that wanderers would very well be aware of these understandings, unless assuming they, being of 5th and 6th density have less access since it has been a while since they were there compared to dual activated/4th density wanderers. I also find that this quote from Ra implies that being consciously aware of 4th density understandings qualifies as piercing the forgetting even without remembering any time/space memories, maybe I am misunderstanding what is ment by 4th density understandings.
it's not about time. higher wanderers don't have the dual body which allows understandings of 4th density.
many higher density wanderers probably won't reincarnate anyway if they make the harvest, since they would go home.
RE: The Forgetting - native - 12-26-2014
There is only so much we can begin to understand. As one grows in awareness contradictions become apparent, and that's when you realize that you don't really understand a lot of things. It's my belief that in this area of uncertainty is where we really start fine-tuning the self, making use of all our tools.
"This is not a dimension of knowing, even subjectively, due to the lack of overview of cosmic and other inpourings which affect each and every situation which produces catalyst. The subjective acceptance of that which is at the moment and the finding of love within that moment is the greater freedom."
"It is the being that informs the working, not the working that informs the being."
"The penetration of the veil may be seen to begin to have its roots in the gestation of green-ray activity, that all-compassionate love which demands no return. If this path is followed the higher energy centers shall be activated and crystallized until the adept is born. Within the adept is the potential for dismantling the veil to a greater or lesser extent that all may be seen again as one. The other-self is primary catalyst in this particular path to the piercing of the veil, if you would call it that."
RE: The Forgetting - AnthroHeart - 12-27-2014
I swear my forgetting is worse than Forgetful Jones sometimes.
https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=forgetful+jones&oq=forgetful+jones&gs_l=hp.3..0l5j0i22i30l5.573.3958.0.4786.17.11.1.1.1.0.346.1504.0j1j4j1.6.0.msedr...0...1c.1.60.hp..9.8.1531.V5jOY_JopjQ
RE: The Forgetting - Ankh - 12-27-2014
(12-25-2014, 01:29 PM)Sabou Wrote: What does it mean to penetrate the forgetting?
Have we all penetrated the forgetting because we, even if we don't have actual conscious memory of beyond the veil we have complete faith and a knowing. Like the quote says below, for wanderers the forgetting can only be penetrated by disciplined meditation and working, but I feel like most of the people here probably "remember" by reading this material alone. I am wondering if there is gradations of penetrating the forgetting and if we penetrate far enough would that allow for penetrating intelligent infinity, because I feel they are different.
Seems like Ra is saying that if you penetrate far enough, you will penetrate the veil, and when it is lifted, the contact with intelligent infinity may be made:
"We may not speak of the violet-ray transfer except to note that it is an opening to the gateway of intelligent infinity. Indeed, the indigo-ray transfer is also this but, shall we say, the veil has not yet been lifted."
"Again, the violet emanation is, in this context, a resource from which, through indigo, intelligent infinity may be contacted."
"The most normal for the adept is the following: the indigo stimulation activating that great gateway into healing, magical work, prayerful attention, and the radiance of being; and the stimulation of the violet ray which is the spiritual giving and taking from and to Creator, from Creator to Creator."
"The experiences described and experienced are those distillations which may be experienced after a concentration of effort upon the opening of the gateway, or indigo, mind complex so that experience of a sacramental, or violet, ray may occur. These experiences are the beginnings of that which, as the body, the mind, and the spirit become integrated at the gateway, or indigo, level, may then yield not only the experience of joy but the comprehension of intelligent infinity which accompanies it. Thus the body complex orgasm and mind complex orgasm becoming integrated may then set forth the proper gateway for the spiritual complex integration and its use as a shuttle for the sacrament of the fully experienced presence of the One Infinite Creator."
RE: The Forgetting - Sabou - 12-28-2014
(12-27-2014, 11:59 PM)Ankh Wrote: Seems like Ra is saying that if you penetrate far enough, you will penetrate the veil, and when it is lifted, the contact with intelligent infinity may be made
"We may not speak of the violet-ray transfer except to note that it is an opening to the gateway of intelligent infinity. Indeed, the indigo-ray transfer is also this but, shall we say, the veil has not yet been lifted."
"Again, the violet emanation is, in this context, a resource from which, through indigo, intelligent infinity may be contacted."
"The most normal for the adept is the following: the indigo stimulation activating that great gateway into healing, magical work, prayerful attention, and the radiance of being; and the stimulation of the violet ray which is the spiritual giving and taking from and to Creator, from Creator to Creator."
"The experiences described and experienced are those distillations which may be experienced after a concentration of effort upon the opening of the gateway, or indigo, mind complex so that experience of a sacramental, or violet, ray may occur. These experiences are the beginnings of that which, as the body, the mind, and the spirit become integrated at the gateway, or indigo, level, may then yield not only the experience of joy but the comprehension of intelligent infinity which accompanies it. Thus the body complex orgasm and mind complex orgasm becoming integrated may then set forth the proper gateway for the spiritual complex integration and its use as a shuttle for the sacrament of the fully experienced presence of the One Infinite Creator."
So I suppose as you start to consciously accept and integrate this material it will stimulate and open indigo Ray, which is the beginning of penetrating the forgetting, the more you activate indigo ray, the more of the forgetting will be washed away. Though within indigo Ray transfer, you are still cultivating faith because the veil is not lifted, and therefore any remembering still is within the illusion, we can only fully remember through violet Ray transfer, which is the fully experienced presence of the One Infinite Creator. This makes sense since as the Ra material states the point of this density is to make a choice and have faith without any evidence or full remembering.
RE: The Forgetting - native - 12-28-2014
Yes, that's a good summary. The only exception is where it's said above that lifting the veil begins with activating the green ray center.
RE: The Forgetting - Sabou - 12-28-2014
Yes good point that must be done prior to indigo Ray transfer
RE: The Forgetting - Plenum - 12-28-2014
(12-25-2014, 01:29 PM)Sabou Wrote: What does it mean to penetrate the forgetting?
to me, penetrating the forgetting is to have absolute continuing awareness of seeing through this 3d Illusion.
that awareness allows that individual to act with a pure sense of love; as there is no fear of physical loss (they absolutely know of the continuity of consciousness at the moment of death), they can act with a sense of perfect timing without anxiety of how they will be received (they recognise the nature of the illusion, and how it is an individual experience to determine their future path - the responsibility goes back to each individual person - noone needs to be saved from anything).
it should be noted that there is a huge gulf between acknowledging the above principles and truths as being valid, and actually having the applied ingrained awareness of these understandings present in every moment of waking consciousness.
The Veil is semi-permeable, and information goes both ways. When we can finally know and understand every other self as being a represented aspect of self ... then one has no longer forgot, but finally remembered oneself as complete, and this illusion has no sway over one.
RE: The Forgetting - Bluebell - 12-28-2014
but how can u do that if ur not allowed to remember by using memory?
RE: The Forgetting - Plenum - 12-28-2014
(12-28-2014, 01:09 PM)Bluebell Wrote: but how can u do that if ur not allowed to remember by using memory?
well, it's not remembering by having the implicit memories, that's for sure!
the way I think of it, is this:
whenever any entity enters the 3d Illusion - and let's be specific, and say Earth - that person has the body of a native (equality) and the mind of a native (equality).
the body is untrained, and we have to learn how to control our bladder so we don't pee in public, and we have to learn how to walk, how to play guitar, how to roll a joint, and so on. No inbuilt body memory.
The mind is also untrained. We don't know the language, and have to learnt it from our parents. We get the accent of the region. We go to school to learn how to read, and how to socialise. The mind/brain is a matrix of nodes with no connections formed. Through experience the mind becomes wired.
What we do bring in is our personalities and our biases. A little Einstein had the same beingness and core self as the adult Einstein, and the little Bluebell already had a personality and biases from their previous experiences. Biases aren't concrete memories; they are more like very comfortable tendencies that we have - gut instincts and feelings.
To remember who we truly are, on a conscious level involves the disciplining of the body and the mind that were untrained to begin with, because they are the stuff and clay from this Illusion. The 3d mind and body are firmly stuck in the Illusion, and are a part of it.
But it is also a vessel for spiritual forces and energies. Given enough focus, will, and conscious shaping, that 3d vessel can be a clear conduit to connect with things outside of the Illusion.
When that connection is held in an ongoing and ever-present fashion, the person is both within the illusion as their body and mind, but their consciousness is simultaneously outside of it too.
RE: The Forgetting - Ankh - 12-28-2014
(12-28-2014, 11:13 AM)Sabou Wrote: So I suppose as you start to consciously accept and integrate this material it will stimulate and open indigo Ray...
Sorry for my stupid question, but I didn't understand... What material did you mean in your above sentence? Ra material or did you mean something else?
RE: The Forgetting - Sabou - 12-28-2014
No problem, Basically the Ra material, but I meant the Law of One not exclusively Ra
RE: The Forgetting - Unbound - 12-29-2014
To directly answer the question of the thread - it means to remember, everything.
RE: The Forgetting - Bluebell - 12-29-2014
(12-28-2014, 01:39 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:(12-28-2014, 01:09 PM)Bluebell Wrote: but how can u do that if ur not allowed to remember by using memory?
well, it's not remembering by having the implicit memories, that's for sure!
the way I think of it, is this:
whenever any entity enters the 3d Illusion - and let's be specific, and say Earth - that person has the body of a native (equality) and the mind of a native (equality).
the body is untrained, and we have to learn how to control our bladder so we don't pee in public, and we have to learn how to walk, how to play guitar, how to roll a joint, and so on. No inbuilt body memory.
The mind is also untrained. We don't know the language, and have to learnt it from our parents. We get the accent of the region. We go to school to learn how to read, and how to socialise. The mind/brain is a matrix of nodes with no connections formed. Through experience the mind becomes wired.
What we do bring in is our personalities and our biases. A little Einstein had the same beingness and core self as the adult Einstein, and the little Bluebell already had a personality and biases from their previous experiences. Biases aren't concrete memories; they are more like very comfortable tendencies that we have - gut instincts and feelings.
To remember who we truly are, on a conscious level involves the disciplining of the body and the mind that were untrained to begin with, because they are the stuff and clay from this Illusion. The 3d mind and body are firmly stuck in the Illusion, and are a part of it.
But it is also a vessel for spiritual forces and energies. Given enough focus, will, and conscious shaping, that 3d vessel can be a clear conduit to connect with things outside of the Illusion.
When that connection is held in an ongoing and ever-present fashion, the person is both within the illusion as their body and mind, but their consciousness is simultaneously outside of it too.
yes my body & mind keep forgetting... how does one train them? I know consciously but not subconsciously... that it's an illusion but i feel like I need something concrete to cling to before melting this world away. otherwise I feel madness encroaching. falling into nothing.
RE: The Forgetting - Jade - 12-31-2014
I try to enjoy walking the line. Ridding oneself of all 3D thoughts is the end of the game - I accept that sometimes I'll remember, and sometimes I'll forget. And when I remember, I remember why I forget.
RE: The Forgetting - Bluebell - 12-31-2014
(12-31-2014, 01:49 PM)Jade Wrote: And when I remember, I remember why I forget.
why?
RE: The Forgetting - Jade - 12-31-2014
It's fun and you can't do that outside of 3D! The learning, the challenge. If everyone picked up a guitar and played beautiful music with their fingertips with no effort, how much sensational music would we miss out on?
The illusion of progress is very fulfilling. Being able to look back and see how far you have come is very profound and inspiring. All of us who are here get some enjoyment from it, or else we wouldn't be here. Yes, even the forgetting is part of the fun. If we wanted to be all-powerful beings of the universe all of the time we wouldn't have come here, would we?
RE: The Forgetting - Plenum - 12-31-2014
(12-29-2014, 05:24 AM)Bluebell Wrote: yes my body & mind keep forgetting... how does one train them? I know consciously but not subconsciously... that it's an illusion but i feel like I need something concrete to cling to before melting this world away. otherwise I feel madness encroaching. falling into nothing.
I think it's all based around awareness. Being aware of where your attention is at any point.