(01-11-2015, 05:10 PM)isis Wrote: maybe the source doesn't even know the source of the source & why there's such a thing as a source?

(01-11-2015, 05:30 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'm still not certain that even densities exist.

(01-11-2015, 07:03 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I do believe we have stages of growth. I believe God created the Universe, but that God is not the final conclusion. I believe merging with Source is the conclusion. God is Logos I believe. Or maybe God is Creator. I am not sure.

(01-11-2015, 02:08 PM)Minyatur Wrote: This is what's been buggling me for a while yesterday when I went through a heavy part of awakening and percing the veil.

Why is there a God? Why is there existence? Why is there even the possiblity of it all?.. Like why is there  even an infinite intelligent energy to begin with? What does it bring that nothingness lacked to be way things are? 

In short what is the Source of the Source and why is there such a thing as a Source?

It occured to me that part of wandering may have to do with reworking your basic understandings. I feel this is something I may have accepted as being the way things are since probably close to forever and that in there lies one of the lessons I'm seeking.

(01-11-2015, 07:56 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(01-11-2015, 02:08 PM)Minyatur Wrote: This is what's been buggling me for a while yesterday when I went through a heavy part of awakening and percing the veil.

Why is there a God? Why is there existence? Why is there even the possiblity of it all?.. Like why is there  even an infinite intelligent energy to begin with? What does it bring that nothingness lacked to be way things are? 

In short what is the Source of the Source and why is there such a thing as a Source?

It occured to me that part of wandering may have to do with reworking your basic understandings. I feel this is something I may have accepted as being the way things are since probably close to forever and that in there lies one of the lessons I'm seeking.

As crazy as this is to understand, I assure you that simply: everything is, because nothingness cannot be.

Everything exists, because nothingness cannot exist.


"Nothingness" is just a word for a conceptual state of infinite lack.  language gives us a word, for a hypothetical state of lack.  But that's all it is -- a word.  If you're stuck in a state of duality conceptualization of all this, you can think of it like: because nothingness infinitely *CANNOT* exist (because otherwise it would be "somethingness"), everythingness *HAD* to exist.  If nothingness existed, it would be something, and certainly not nothing.  


So perhaps you can see the conundrum.



Existence cannot even approach the illusion of nothing, except by limiting your awareness of the everpresent everything of existence, which is always there around you, as infinity.  So EVERYTHING exists, and its important  to understand that existence is synonymous with awareness or consciousness, because your awareness of existence, *validates* the fact  that you ARE.  "I think, therefore I AM" 


If awareness were not synonymous with existence, then existence wouldn't matter, because who would KNOW that it existed?  It might as well not exist in such a circumstance.



Now, why is there a Source of existence?  Quite simply, when everything exists, you have continuums of experience.  You have polarities of experience.  Source is simply the Infinite Witness that we are all extensions of, as parts of it.  We are all part of the same stream of consciousness, which, remember, is *existence itself*.  Awareness imparts  reality to whatever it touches.



As Ra says, you have to define infinity as unity, otherwise it has no referent or meaning.  There is no barrier keeping identical qualities apart.  Thus, ALL consciousness is one.  And that One, which we are all holographic miniature reflections of, is our Source, because it stands at the mouth of the river of existence, and has the broadest view of all.  What limits our view is our identification, which puts us some place on the river of consciousness, but you can only see downstream, so we can't see the flow, except in certain rare states of meditation, where we temporarily let go of our identification with the place on the stream we normally associate our "self" with.



What we call "densities" or "rays" are just different types of experiences within that infinity.  Every experience has a certain threshold of vibration, which determines the amount of consciousness of the whole that experience can hold, and depending on that level, determines what vibrational rate that experience is, and where it falls on the density/ray continuum.



Fun questions to ponder!

(01-11-2015, 08:00 PM)Jeremy Wrote: In the grand scheme of life, does it really matter? It's all well and good to ponder the what if's so long as it doesn't deter ones seeking within life here and now. Such questions that are clearly out of the realm of our understanding only leads one to an even more confused state if one were to focus upon them too much.

Once one truly accepts that one knows nothing, such superfluous pondering shall come and go only to be recognized for what it is, which is simply that which we aren't ready or capable of knowing.

(01-11-2015, 08:19 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I understand all of what you said but the question came to me from thinking about existence itself. There is a source because there is existence by why is there existence in the first place. I think therefore I am and therefore there is a Source otherwise I wouldn't be. But why is there an infinite energy to provide existence, nothingness would be the Void but why is there something else than Void. I feel there is something toward that way I need to seek and wonder about, something I may have missed long ago. This is a question I've asked myself in a deep state of awakening and I resonnated greatly with this question. The question I have seem to be why is there infinite energy. With no energy the void would be face-less but is that actually not possible or in a way the case.

(01-11-2015, 08:33 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(01-11-2015, 08:00 PM)Jeremy Wrote: In the grand scheme of life, does it really matter? It's all well and good to ponder the what if's so long as it doesn't deter ones seeking within life here and now. Such questions that are clearly out of the realm of our understanding only leads one to an even more confused state if one were to focus upon them too much.

Once one truly accepts that one knows nothing, such superfluous pondering shall come and go only to be recognized for what it is, which is simply that which we aren't ready or capable of knowing.

In my opinion, questions do matter, we walk into infinity asking questions and redefining our own existence and our view of reality in a process that never ends. Each of us seek different questions at different stages. I ask these questions because I feel these questions are the lessons I am to learn next. I feel very old and that I already understand finite things even in ways I don't remember already understanding, what is next to understand is infinity. Ra said that to transcend 6D, one needs to feel the need of the lessons of 7D which are about infinity, timelessness and spacelessness. So this is what ponders in mind and that I need to seek. 

In short, I seek that which transcends channeling material, I seek that which channelled entities seek themselves and not what they can share and it has to do with God, infinity and the absence of being finite. 

But you may be right, these may be questions I won't be able to answer as of yet but may still show me my need of the lessons of my next density. I feel I am wandering to ask myself these questions rather than being stuck in acceptance of all and myself as 6D would be like.

(01-11-2015, 10:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote:

(01-11-2015, 08:33 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(01-11-2015, 08:00 PM)Jeremy Wrote: In the grand scheme of life, does it really matter? It's all well and good to ponder the what if's so long as it doesn't deter ones seeking within life here and now. Such questions that are clearly out of the realm of our understanding only leads one to an even more confused state if one were to focus upon them too much.

Once one truly accepts that one knows nothing, such superfluous pondering shall come and go only to be recognized for what it is, which is simply that which we aren't ready or capable of knowing.

In my opinion, questions do matter, we walk into infinity asking questions and redefining our own existence and our view of reality in a process that never ends. Each of us seek different questions at different stages. I ask these questions because I feel these questions are the lessons I am to learn next. I feel very old and that I already understand finite things even in ways I don't remember already understanding, what is next to understand is infinity. Ra said that to transcend 6D, one needs to feel the need of the lessons of 7D which are about infinity, timelessness and spacelessness. So this is what ponders in mind and that I need to seek. 

In short, I seek that which transcends channeling material, I seek that which channelled entities seek themselves and not what they can share and it has to do with God, infinity and the absence of being finite. 

But you may be right, these may be questions I won't be able to answer as of yet but may still show me my need of the lessons of my next density. I feel I am wandering to ask myself these questions rather than being stuck in acceptance of all and myself as 6D would be like.

I'm all for asking questions and pondering that which we have yet to find but there is a point within the confines of this density where one will inevitably hit a wall. Truly comprehending any matter or subject beyond the veil is futile at best because such pondering is still behind the veil. Therefore any pondering that may occur is still inhibited by the veil so true understanding shall never occur. One may ponder until their hearts content but truly knowing what lies beyond is simply conjecture. In not trying to convince ya not to do it though. Only to attempt to ground you with the undeniable fact that wondering about anything beyond this level of existence can only get you so far. The veil is in place for a reason. To think one is beyond this or can at any persistent amount of time penetrate the veil requires a very advanced level of mastery. 

Again, I'm not trying to dissuade you . It just seems that the board has become inundated with questions that were never meant to be answered within this density so my confusion as to why they have become so popular eludes me. 

(01-11-2015, 11:24 PM)Learner Wrote: There is no why/reason, just is. If something is created, then there is why. The something that's eternally there is not there for a reason.

(01-11-2015, 10:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Again, I'm not trying to dissuade you . It just seems that the board has become inundated with questions that were never meant to be answered within this density so my confusion as to why they have become so popular eludes me. 

Quote:82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.
Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.

(01-12-2015, 11:49 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:

(01-11-2015, 10:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Again, I'm not trying to dissuade you . It just seems that the board has become inundated with questions that were never meant to be answered within this density so my confusion as to why they have become so popular eludes me. 

this is a difficult one, because sometimes there is a question behind the question.  

do you honor someone by answering the question that they asked, or by rather answering the emotion/distress behind the question?

I am guessing the answer is one of those love/wisdom balances that everyone has to come to assess for themselves :d

by answering a question directly, you give someone the fullfillment to their surface desire, and thus they can experience that it was not what they really wanted - because the deeper need is going unfulfilled, ie the emotion driving the question.

By addressing their emotion, you are being more of direct aid.

(01-12-2015, 11:49 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:

(01-11-2015, 10:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Again, I'm not trying to dissuade you . It just seems that the board has become inundated with questions that were never meant to be answered within this density so my confusion as to why they have become so popular eludes me. 

this is a difficult one, because sometimes there is a question behind the question.  

do you honor someone by answering the question that they asked, or by rather answering the emotion/distress behind the question?

I am guessing the answer is one of those love/wisdom balances that everyone has to come to assess for themselves :d

by answering a question directly, you give someone the fullfillment to their surface desire, and thus they can experience that it was not what they really wanted - because the deeper need is going unfulfilled, ie the emotion driving the question.

By addressing their emotion, you are being more of direct aid.

(01-12-2015, 04:57 PM)Jeremy Wrote: There is a reason why Ra stated that understanding is not of this density but it seems many forget this very important statement. 

(01-12-2015, 06:03 PM)Diana Wrote:

(01-12-2015, 04:57 PM)Jeremy Wrote: There is a reason why Ra stated that understanding is not of this density but it seems many forget this very important statement. 

Do you mean to suggest that because a channeled entity (or anyone or anything) says understanding is not of this density, that we should abide by this statement and remember it's not ours to address or attain?