(07-11-2015, 07:35 PM)Jeremy Wrote: They must have some sort of filter enabled where any animal thread emails them then the army shows up. It's quite agenda driven for sure. Some people eat animals,  some don't. It should be as simple as that

(07-11-2015, 07:35 PM)Jeremy Wrote: They must have some sort of filter enabled where any animal thread emails them then the army shows up.

(07-11-2015, 07:35 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Some people eat animals,  some don't. It should be as simple as that

(07-11-2015, 07:43 PM)Diana Wrote: I can't begin to express how unfortunate this is to me...for so many reasons.

(07-11-2015, 07:52 PM)Cosmo23 Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 07:43 PM)Diana Wrote: I can't begin to express how unfortunate this is to me...for so many reasons.

It is indeed very unfortunate for you. While you're trying to do the right thing you're perceived as dogmatic and maybe even hateful... Its cool that you love animals, I appreciate this, but why not start loving the meat/blood eaters too?

(07-11-2015, 07:57 PM)Jeremy Wrote: I can't find it so I'm not sure if it was Ra or another confederation member but it was something like whatever diet aids the seeker in seeking is the diet that's appropriate for them.

(07-11-2015, 07:57 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Just because I or others see the ingestion of meat as something necessary,  why is it that hard to accept? This is one area where we choose to realize the killing of the animal or the sacrifice of the animal more appropriately,  is for our benefit and we thank that animal for its sacrifice. I admittedly fail to give thanks  as much as I could be but I dont consider it as abhorrent as you but I still accept your dedication to a meat free lifestyle.

(07-11-2015, 08:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote: How do you know that though? Its  spirit may be without awareness but you don't know how or why it was sent to evolve into a 2nd density entity.

(07-11-2015, 09:04 PM)Monica Wrote: The same could be said of any human murder victim. Does that make it ok to murder them?

(07-11-2015, 09:20 PM)Cosmo23 Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:04 PM)Monica Wrote: The same could be said of any human murder victim. Does that make it ok to murder them?

Remember the "forcing others"-thing? Ever noticed that your questions only leave yes/no which doesnt really leave an option at all?

So you're intentions are more than obvious...

(07-11-2015, 09:04 PM)Monica Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 08:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote: How do you know that though? Its  spirit may be without awareness but you don't know how or why it was sent to evolve into a 2nd density entity.

The same could be said of any human murder victim. Does that make it ok to murder them?

(07-11-2015, 09:30 PM)Monica Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:20 PM)Cosmo23 Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:04 PM)Monica Wrote: The same could be said of any human murder victim. Does that make it ok to murder them?

Remember the "forcing others"-thing? Ever noticed that your questions only leave yes/no which doesnt really leave an option at all?

So you're intentions are more than obvious...

Firstly, you can never know my intentions. Secondly, asking people for clarification on their comments is valid conversation. Thirdly, even IF I had xyz 'intentions' that pales in comparison to harming innocent, sentient beings.

Whenever vegans talk about cruelty to animals, the standard response from meat-eaters is to start accusing the vegans of being controlling, etc. instead of actually looking at what they're doing.

(07-11-2015, 09:29 PM)Nicholas Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 05:54 PM)Diana Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 03:47 PM)Yera Wrote: High five to fellow vampires! Animal blood is strictly regulated around here, so things like blood pudding are pretty difficult to make. I usually just go with very rare steaks.

I really need to learn how to bow hunt. Then I could get everything fresh.

 Think of the suffering you would cause otherwise.  

This is the first controlling statement I have come across on this thread. 

(07-11-2015, 09:30 PM)Jeremy Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:04 PM)Monica Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 08:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote: How do you know that though? Its  spirit may be without awareness but you don't know how or why it was sent to evolve into a 2nd density entity.

The same could be said of any human murder victim. Does that make it ok to murder them?

Which is also true and just as correct. We don't know how and why an incarnation was planned so to place subjective inferences based upon ones personal outlook on what "should" be right is wrought with bias and therefore invalid beyond ones own subjective interpretation.  

(07-11-2015, 09:36 PM)Monica Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:30 PM)Jeremy Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:04 PM)Monica Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 08:46 PM)Jeremy Wrote: How do you know that though? Its  spirit may be without awareness but you don't know how or why it was sent to evolve into a 2nd density entity.

The same could be said of any human murder victim. Does that make it ok to murder them?

Which is also true and just as correct. We don't know how and why an incarnation was planned so to place subjective inferences based upon ones personal outlook on what "should" be right is wrought with bias and therefore invalid beyond ones own subjective interpretation.  

Are you willing to go so far as to say that it's ok to murder humans then? Hey, why not? Maybe they chose that experience, so we might as well help them!

(07-11-2015, 09:52 PM)tamaryn Wrote: I had a very close friend murdered. Cruely. And yes I did give it much consideration and reflection until I realised the diaspora of positive group catalyst that came out of her death. Most harcestable altruistic being i have ever met. I believe we choose the way we exit, precisely but without immediate understanding.

Let me ask you this , Monica.

Do you feel the animals incarnate against their will? Does not the choice of species go along with great suffering then? Do they not accept their birth/death circumstances? Does not great learning and awareness develop in them life after life, regardless of the circumstances of their death?

I think as far as reincarnation goes us humans have had very cruel experiences, none of which has even cocome close to damaging our essence. Have you never been murdered before?

(07-11-2015, 09:52 PM)tamaryn Wrote: I had a very close friend murdered. Cruely. And yes I did give it much consideration and reflection until I realised the diaspora of positive group catalyst that came out of her death. Most harcestable altruistic being i have ever met. I believe we choose the way we exit, precisely but without immediate understanding.

Let me ask you this , Monica.

Do you feel the animals incarnate against their will? Does not the choice of species go along with great suffering then? Do they not accept their birth/death circumstances? Does not great learning and awareness develop in them life after life, regardless of the circumstances of their death?

I think as far as reincarnation goes us humans have had very cruel experiences, none of which has even cocome close to damaging our essence. Have you never been murdered before?

(07-11-2015, 10:11 PM)Monica Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:52 PM)tamaryn Wrote: I had a very close friend murdered. Cruely. And yes I did give it much consideration and reflection until I realised the diaspora of positive group catalyst that came out of her death. Most harcestable altruistic being i have ever met. I believe we choose the way we exit, precisely but without immediate understanding.

Let me ask you this , Monica.

Do you feel the animals incarnate against their will? Does not the choice of species go along with great suffering then? Do they not accept their birth/death circumstances? Does not great learning and awareness develop in them life after life, regardless of the circumstances of their death?

I think as far as reincarnation goes us humans have had very cruel experiences, none of which has even cocome close to damaging our essence. Have you never been murdered before?

So sorry to hear about your friend!

I think we all choose our life experiences on some level. We've all murdered and we've all been murdered at various times.

But that isn't the point. The point is whether we, as (presumably) STO beings, should participate in what is generally regarded as STS behavior.

Yes, John Doe chose to get murdered. Does that mean it's ok for us to murder him?

That is the task of the STS entities. That is how they serve. Someone has to do the dirty work.

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(07-11-2015, 09:58 PM)Jeremy Wrote: It's not for me to judge what is ok and what is not. It just is. I cannot base any type of decision on what was planned prior to incarnation therefore to claim something as right or wrong would infer bias upon my part 

(07-11-2015, 09:34 PM)Diana Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:29 PM)Nicholas Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 05:54 PM)Diana Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 03:47 PM)Yera Wrote: High five to fellow vampires! Animal blood is strictly regulated around here, so things like blood pudding are pretty difficult to make. I usually just go with very rare steaks.

I really need to learn how to bow hunt. Then I could get everything fresh.

 Think of the suffering you would cause otherwise.  

This is the first controlling statement I have come across on this thread. 

I'm going to consider this statement and get back with you tomorrow. I have guests that showed up and I don't want to post without due attention to the accusation.

(07-11-2015, 11:25 PM)Nicholas Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:34 PM)Diana Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 09:29 PM)Nicholas Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 05:54 PM)Diana Wrote:

(07-11-2015, 03:47 PM)Yera Wrote: High five to fellow vampires! Animal blood is strictly regulated around here, so things like blood pudding are pretty difficult to make. I usually just go with very rare steaks.

I really need to learn how to bow hunt. Then I could get everything fresh.

 Think of the suffering you would cause otherwise.  

This is the first controlling statement I have come across on this thread. 

I'm going to consider this statement and get back with you tomorrow. I have guests that showed up and I don't want to post without due attention to the accusation.

Cool. I don't feel that I am accusing you of anything though Diana, merely expressing my subjective interpretation. I myself have made controlling statements and I perceived a reflection of that in your quote that I responded to. If you are accused here then so am I!

(07-12-2015, 05:40 AM)Folk-love Wrote: Is this planet not going 4th density positive?  If that is the case, as Ra indicates, does it not stand to reason that part of that transition would include the cessation of eating animals?  I just for the life of me cannot imagine a loving society killing and eating animals but perhaps I am wrong.  Perhaps there is a way to kill and eat an animal in a way which is respectful and does not abridge free will.  If there is, I sure haven't come across it and honestly, all the justifications I have read for eating animals fall short.  If am being judgmental, self serving or close minded feel free to point it out.