Ra Wrote:103.8 As to the instrument, the journey from worth in action to worth in esse is arduous. The entity has denied itself in order to be free from that which it calls addiction. This sort of martyrdom, and here we speak of the small but symbolically great sacrifice of the clothing, causes the entity to frame a selfhood in poorness which feeds unworthiness unless the poverty is seen to be true richness.

In other words, good works for the wrong reasons cause confusion and distortion. We encourage the instrument to value itself and to see that its true requirements are valued by the self. We suggest contemplation of true richness of being.

(10-02-2015, 02:22 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I kinda feel like that. I tried to give up lots of things in order to be more positive but only found a lack of self worth. Its better to accept and find a balance with your desires than to overcome them.

(10-01-2015, 11:18 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:

Ra Wrote:103.8 As to the instrument, the journey from worth in action to worth in esse is arduous. The entity has denied itself in order to be free from that which it calls addiction. This sort of martyrdom, and here we speak of the small but symbolically great sacrifice of the clothing, causes the entity to frame a selfhood in poorness which feeds unworthiness unless the poverty is seen to be true richness.

In other words, good works for the wrong reasons cause confusion and distortion. We encourage the instrument to value itself and to see that its true requirements are valued by the self. We suggest contemplation of true richness of being.

many people try to approach certain behaviours such as alcohol use as something to be stamped out because it's 'not in alignment with the spiritual path'.  Maybe reducing usage on external substances (and that can include a whole range of substances) is a good thing.  But again, it has to be motivated by an attitude of acceptance, rather than subjugation.

People also try to do 'good deeds' out of a sense of guilt or obligation; rather than joy of inner radiance and sharing.  Again, it all comes back to inner motivations.

(10-02-2015, 02:22 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I kinda feel like that. I tried to give up lots of things in order to be more positive but only found a lack of self worth. Its better to accept and find a balance with your desires than to overcome them.

Quote:18.5 Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.

The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.

All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.

It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.

(10-02-2015, 02:26 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:

(10-02-2015, 02:22 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I kinda feel like that. I tried to give up lots of things in order to be more positive but only found a lack of self worth. Its better to accept and find a balance with your desires than to overcome them.

Yeah, so long as we don't reveal the desires to others who might not understand. I don't like other people's scorn.

(10-05-2015, 06:07 PM)Monica Wrote: Acceptance and Choice may seem paradoxical, but the power is in the resolution of paradox. It is the making of new choices that triggers the 'falling away' of that which isn't chosen, rather than trying to subjugate or overpower that which no longer serves.

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(10-05-2015, 06:37 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: The problem with this mindset is that you'd need the whole Universe to do this work for you to accept it. In my view acceptance and choice is a personal work of self toward self in regards to the All. The work is done over countless distortions perceived within self in infinite possible ways.

I see it that one of the purpose of many-ness is to challenge self in understanding it's own infinite potential to be each and every being or emotion it encounters. A classic theme also is for self to be acceptant of itself as for how it became distorted, not just other-selves. And to reject self or simply a single other-self is to reject the All as one is All and All is One.

Full acceptance is probably reached upon entering 7D and is applied as one fade into timelessness until it departs or graduates fully from this Octave of Creation toward the greater orders beyond our limited reality.

(10-02-2015, 02:22 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I kinda feel like that. I tried to give up lots of things in order to be more positive but only found a lack of self worth. Its better to accept and find a balance with your desires than to overcome them.

(10-05-2015, 06:44 PM)Monica Wrote:

(10-05-2015, 06:37 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: The problem with this mindset is that you'd need the whole Universe to do this work for you to accept it. In my view acceptance and choice is a personal work of self toward self in regards to the All. The work is done over countless distortions perceived within self in infinite possible ways.

I see it that one of the purpose of many-ness is to challenge self in understanding it's own infinite potential to be each and every being or emotion it encounters. A classic theme also is for self to be acceptant of itself as for how it became distorted, not just other-selves. And to reject self or simply a single other-self is to reject the All as one is All and All is One.

Full acceptance is probably reached upon entering 7D and is applied as one fade into timelessness until it departs or graduates fully from this Octave of Creation toward the greater orders beyond our limited reality.

You might want to explain that to Ra. They declined the service of the Orion entities.

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(10-06-2015, 11:55 AM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:

(10-05-2015, 06:44 PM)Monica Wrote:

(10-05-2015, 06:37 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: The problem with this mindset is that you'd need the whole Universe to do this work for you to accept it. In my view acceptance and choice is a personal work of self toward self in regards to the All. The work is done over countless distortions perceived within self in infinite possible ways.

I see it that one of the purpose of many-ness is to challenge self in understanding it's own infinite potential to be each and every being or emotion it encounters. A classic theme also is for self to be acceptant of itself as for how it became distorted, not just other-selves. And to reject self or simply a single other-self is to reject the All as one is All and All is One.

Full acceptance is probably reached upon entering 7D and is applied as one fade into timelessness until it departs or graduates fully from this Octave of Creation toward the greater orders beyond our limited reality.

You might want to explain that to Ra. They declined the service of the Orion entities.

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Those of Ra are ever evolving and walking the steps of light. I believe Ra is fully aware of their own distortions and their work of them lies probably more on their attachment to those distortions. I think it was said that part of the reason they send wanderers is for them to work off their distortions.

(10-06-2015, 01:05 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I used to think that before you brought it up. It was my greatest desire to help Ra with their distortions. But I wasn't sure what I could do here to balance 6D distortions.

I still get angry at things, at certain catalyst. I am far from being unphazed by things.

(10-06-2015, 01:57 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: The basic point is:  If you are a Wanderer from a higher S/M/C, whatever you're doing is presumably what your higher-selves want\need you to be doing.  

(10-06-2015, 11:55 AM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: Those of Ra are ever evolving and walking the steps of light. I believe Ra is fully aware of their own distortions and their work of them lies probably more on their attachment to those distortions. I think it was said that part of the reason they send wanderers is for them to work off their distortions.

(10-06-2015, 02:50 PM)Monica Wrote:

(10-06-2015, 11:55 AM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: Those of Ra are ever evolving and walking the steps of light. I believe Ra is fully aware of their own distortions and their work of them lies probably more on their attachment to those distortions. I think it was said that part of the reason they send wanderers is for them to work off their distortions.

True. But that doesn't mean that everything they did was unwise, attached, or needing to be balanced.

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(10-06-2015, 01:56 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: If the Creator is part of and loves all activities, positive or negative, and 7D Unity is coming to be part of the Creator directly, then that necessarily implies a complete transcendence of polarity.  Ra says as much on a few occasions.

In 78.25 he said "In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love."  Or in 64.6, "We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek."

Oneness directly implies an embrace of both paths, simultaneously, with polarity being the final duality/distortion which must be abandoned to truly embrace Oneness.  To love the wolf and be the wolf in exactly the same way one is and loves the sheep, so to speak.  To love every interaction, no matter how positive or negative, as just one more divine act furthering our collective teaching/learning about ourselves and Oneness.

This is precisely why, in my view, that it's a distortion to assign any moral judgement to either polarity.  The Creator does not judge, but only loves.  Such moralistic ideas may be subjectively needed by individual entities as they play with and experience the polarized paths, but these thoughts are ultimately abandoned one way or another.

(10-06-2015, 01:57 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: According to Ra, Himmler actually came from a 6D positive who, presumably, was attempting to learn of the negative polarity to further its own embrace of Unity.  So part of that 6D volunteered to get totally cut off from the Love/Light and embrace being an utter b*stard, without having the slightest Earthly knowledge of why he was actually there.

(10-06-2015, 03:37 PM)Ankh Wrote:

(10-06-2015, 01:56 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: If the Creator is part of and loves all activities, positive or negative, and 7D Unity is coming to be part of the Creator directly, then that necessarily implies a complete transcendence of polarity.  Ra says as much on a few occasions.

In 78.25 he said "In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love."  Or in 64.6, "We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek."

Oneness directly implies an embrace of both paths, simultaneously, with polarity being the final duality/distortion which must be abandoned to truly embrace Oneness.  To love the wolf and be the wolf in exactly the same way one is and loves the sheep, so to speak.  To love every interaction, no matter how positive or negative, as just one more divine act furthering our collective teaching/learning about ourselves and Oneness.

This is precisely why, in my view, that it's a distortion to assign any moral judgement to either polarity.  The Creator does not judge, but only loves.  Such moralistic ideas may be subjectively needed by individual entities as they play with and experience the polarized paths, but these thoughts are ultimately abandoned one way or another.

You said it yourself: the Creator *loves* both polarities, and that one has to *love* the wolf. Being it perhaps? Embracing it? Negative polarity has nothing to do with love, acceptance and unity though. It is founded on an oppression of the green ray, or absence of it. That is why I guess it is called a path which is not.

My understanding of the quote you provided, where Ra seek without polarity, is that - because they have already united with their Higher Selves, (Higher Self resides in positive time/space, and is a being of unity, not separation, which the negative path is), there is no other polarity there than the positive one. Polarity can only exist when there are two opposites of something (like + and -), and since there is no opposite to their "polarity" in late 6D, then there can't be any polarity there at all, right? It is also, in my opinion, shown in other pieces in the material. One of them is this:

"We caution you to guard against those who are *not wishing to serve others above all else* from taking part in the beginning or in lending their distortions of mind/body/spirit complex to any session as *we should then be unable to properly blend our distortions with those of this instrument*."

I understand above piece that Ra's desire is to serve others above all else. In order to be able to transmit this light to us, they have to match themselves with someone of similar vibration. If this is not met, then they can't transmit their message to us.

There are other similar pieces where they emphasize that their desire is to serve others, not themselves in a negative sense.

Furthermore, you wrote following in another post:

(10-06-2015, 01:57 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: According to Ra, Himmler actually came from a 6D positive who, presumably, was attempting to learn of the negative polarity to further its own embrace of Unity.  So part of that 6D volunteered to get totally cut off from the Love/Light and embrace being an utter b*stard, without having the slightest Earthly knowledge of why he was actually there.

My understanding of what Ra said about Himmler is that not that Himmler himself was of positive 6D, but that his Higher Self was, as the Higher Self of each mind/body/spirit complex, regardless of polarity. My understanding is that Himmler was a native Gaian, polarizing in negative sense.

(10-06-2015, 07:09 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I think that when polarity is transcended it does not equate the positive polarity. Like the Ra quote said, both paths need to take in each other. Think of the earth that provides everything needed for life but that also resist and provide the catalyst of destruction when it is required. In my view it does not destroy for itself in a negative sense, but can provide negative catalysts. 

Quote:In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

(10-07-2015, 07:41 AM)Shemaya Wrote: The STS path is that which is not. It is identifying with a false sense of Self.  It is disconnected from truth, from source, from love.

I think this gets confusing for us.  It creates all kinds of false associations ie yin is dark and evil.  No, not true. Yin is dark, fertile, womb like, formative.  

In unity, we identify with what is true and completely let go of what is false.  I don't think that we blend the polarities of STS/ STO.  That would cancel each other out. It's all radiance In Unity.

(10-06-2015, 07:09 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:

(10-06-2015, 01:57 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: According to Ra, Himmler actually came from a 6D positive who, presumably, was attempting to learn of the negative polarity to further its own embrace of Unity.  So part of that 6D volunteered to get totally cut off from the Love/Light and embrace being an utter b*stard, without having the slightest Earthly knowledge of why he was actually there.

My understanding of what Ra said about Himmler is that not that Himmler himself was of positive 6D, but that his Higher Self was, as the Higher Self of each mind/body/spirit complex, regardless of polarity. My understanding is that Himmler was a native Gaian, polarizing in negative sense.

I think that when polarity is transcended it does not equate the positive polarity. Like the Ra quote said, both paths need to take in each other. Think of the earth that provides everything needed for life but that also resist and provide the catalyst of destruction when it is required. In my view it does not destroy for itself in a negative sense, but can provide negative catalysts. 

Quote:36.12 Questioner: Let me take as an example the one you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his higher self was of sixth density and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his higher self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Could you expand on this concept?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no [negative] beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality of late sixth density, as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.

Therefore, the Oversoul which makes its understanding available to all who are ready for such aid is towards the positive. However, the free will of the individual is paramount, and any guidance given by the higher self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity depending upon the choice of a mind/body/spirit complex.

(10-07-2015, 08:28 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(10-07-2015, 07:41 AM)Shemaya Wrote: The STS path is that which is not. It is identifying with a false sense of Self.  It is disconnected from truth, from source, from love.

I think this gets confusing for us.  It creates all kinds of false associations ie yin is dark and evil.  No, not true. Yin is dark, fertile, womb like, formative.  

In unity, we identify with what is true and completely let go of what is false.  I don't think that we blend the polarities of STS/ STO.  That would cancel each other out. It's all radiance In Unity.

Well, as far as cancelling out goes, that only happens -at least in the vibrations humans have studied- when two waveforms are exact equal-and-opposites of each other.  That's hard to accomplish.  The other potential outcomes are interference, or sympathetic vibration, both of which create a blending of the source waveforms.  Those seem to me a much more likely result, given how different each entity's vibrations can be.

But more importantly...  I'm curious how you reconcile your use of "false" here with what Ra said in that quote in my last post.  When there is no right and wrong, and you are everything in infinite unity, how can you say that anything is false?
 
"You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation."  That doesn't really leave room for exceptions.