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Forgiveness: What about it? - Enyiah - 10-30-2015
Is there such a thing as 'blind' forgiveness? Does it depend on your perspective, your perception of reality?
Take for example what is going on in the world at this moment. The 1% of STS are purposely poisoning the air,food we breathe/eat. They stir up strife all over the world with a mindset of 'divide and conquer' and the list can go on and on. Their Agenda is known by now. How would you react if I said, 'forgive them'. Would you think it is important to do so or not? Do you think 'forgiveness' would be helpful or wasted in the situation as it stands in this present moment in history/time.
I would like to explore the qualities of 'forgiveness' applicable to the World situation as we know it. There must be a way to be at peace without condoning the questionable behaviours of the 1%. I know the answer lies in higher consciousness but it doesn't solve the problems created by lower conscious states. Is there any reconciliation possible between the two? The only way possible begins with accountability!
Higher consciousness/awareness is moving to correct the situations which no longer serve for the good of humanity.
I do not feel resentful, angry, fearful about the situation as it is what it is. Yet, 'blind/blanket forgiveness' is not the energy I want to offer to this combination of circumstance. Your thoughts on this subject are appreciated.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - seven - 10-30-2015
I think of this quote:
Quote:At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.
This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.
I believe there will always be friction between the two sides as long as there is polarity. I believe defending what you believe in is a good standpoint in this societal issue.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Minyatur - 10-30-2015
If you view others are yourself or other-selves, then something you cannot forgive simply is something you understand not. A paradox to be solved like any other.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Enyiah - 10-30-2015
Quote:Elros Tar-Minyatur :
If you view others are yourself or other-selves, then something you cannot forgive simply is something you understand not. A paradox to be solved like any other.
The matter is not in the 'forgiving' but more in the allowing the behaviour to continue. I feel some form of accountability is needed before understanding can take place. It does not have to be paradoxical.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Stranger - 10-30-2015
One Consciousness
At play with Light and Shadow
No villains
No heroes
Swirls and ripples on a flowing stream
Endless.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Minyatur - 10-30-2015
(10-30-2015, 08:27 PM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:Elros Tar-Minyatur :
If you view others are yourself or other-selves, then something you cannot forgive simply is something you understand not. A paradox to be solved like any other.
The matter is not in the 'forgiving' but more in the allowing the behaviour to continue. I feel some form of accountability is needed before understanding can take place. It does not have to be paradoxical.
The paradox lies in that self is among self, and as such it creates conflict between truthful expressions of ourselves despite everything being One.
I'd view a blind forgiveness as faith that any other-self is you, and that you deserve to be loved.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Enyiah - 10-31-2015
Quote:Elros Tar-Minyatur :I am not sure what is inferred by ''conflict between truthful expressions of ourselves''. I guess the meaning would go somewhat like this; there is no good or bad, we are all aspects of the One Creator experiencing Itself.
The paradox lies in that self is among self, and as such it creates conflict between truthful expressions of ourselves despite everything being One.
I'd view a blind forgiveness as faith that any other-self is you, and that you deserve to be loved.
So....The other selves (1%) (which is also myself) is behaving very badly towards their (other selves/humanity) and they deserve to be loved because they are also myself.
Is there any other way to deal with this reality without giving allowance for the abuse to continue?
I know, free will...so I guess, in the end we do NOTHING and blame Source.
How about we become responsible for a change and make the world a better place? Do we not have a part to play? I think so.
I suppose I am viewing the problem from a 3D perspective and it is out of context as per higher density vision, I get it.
Which leads me to this question, ''where am I''?
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RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Minyatur - 10-31-2015
(10-31-2015, 04:56 PM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:Elros Tar-Minyatur :I am not sure what is inferred by ''conflict between truthful expressions of ourselves''. I guess the meaning would go somewhat like this; there is no good or bad, we are all aspects of the One Creator experiencing Itself.
The paradox lies in that self is among self, and as such it creates conflict between truthful expressions of ourselves despite everything being One.
I'd view a blind forgiveness as faith that any other-self is you, and that you deserve to be loved.
So....The other selves (1%) (which is also myself) is behaving very badly towards their (other selves/humanity) and they deserve to be loved because they are also myself.
Is there any other way to deal with this reality without giving allowance for the abuse to continue?
I know, free will...so I guess, in the end we do NOTHING and blame Source.
How about we become responsible for a change and make the world a better place? Do we not have a part to play? I think so.
I suppose I am viewing the problem from a 3D perspective and it is out of context as per higher density vision, I get it.
Which leads me to this question, ''where am I''?
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You are free in my view to accept and love your rejection of their ways. Just as that you are free to work against it and seek to polarize this world diffently than how they want. If a truthful expression of yourself is to reject darkness, than that is how you are and is not to be denied either.
Where are you? In the center of your infinity.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Kaaron - 10-31-2015
We can choose to accept that they choose to see other selves as separate. That this perspective of separation requires dominating another to be "better". Allow them to be who they are while maintaining who you are.
Offering love and thoughts of the creator to all will keep you where you need to be.
That they don't acknowledge themselves as part of our reality, will influence them to find another focal point in the now.
All is one so eventually in the sixth density we would switch. This is the thought I find solace in.
Cool thread ☺
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - AnthroHeart - 10-31-2015
(10-31-2015, 05:49 PM)Kaaron Wrote: We can choose to accept that they choose to see other selves as separate. That this perspective of separation requires dominating another to be "better". Allow them to be who they are while maintaining who you are.
Offering love and thoughts of the creator to all will keep you where you need to be.
That they don't acknowledge themselves as part of our reality, will influence them to find another focal point in the now.
All is one so eventually in the sixth density we would switch. This is the thought I find solace in.
Cool thread ☺
I find solace in the fact that our thoughts create worlds.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Nicholas - 10-31-2015
(10-30-2015, 12:17 PM)Enyiah Wrote: Is there such a thing as 'blind' forgiveness? Does it depend on your perspective, your perception of reality?
Yes in my view. Some people blindly follow beliefs that they were conditioned into and the fear invoked by the thought of questioning them, overcomes their intuitive suspicion of said beliefs.
(10-30-2015, 12:17 PM)Enyiah Wrote: Take for example what is going on in the world at this moment. The 1% of STS are purposely poisoning the air,food we breathe/eat. They stir up strife all over the world with a mindset of 'divide and conquer' and the list can go on and on. Their Agenda is known by now. How would you react if I said, 'forgive them'. Would you think it is important to do so or not?
No. Rather I would question your motives. I do not think it is important to moralise or judge their actions. I do think it is important to understand how we unwittingly aid them. Forgiveness to me is the conscious recognition that we do not know the full picture.
(10-30-2015, 12:17 PM)Enyiah Wrote: Do you think 'forgiveness' would be helpful or wasted in the situation as it stands in this present moment in history/time.
It is helpful, as long as it is not driven by enculturated beliefs. Action is necessary, conscious action that is.
(10-30-2015, 12:17 PM)Enyiah Wrote: I would like to explore the qualities of 'forgiveness' applicable to the World situation as we know it. There must be a way to be at peace without condoning the questionable behaviours of the 1%.
Yes! It is the undervalued state of mind that is temporarily stateless. It is illogical, pointless, and so therefore remains largely undiscovered.
(10-30-2015, 12:17 PM)Enyiah Wrote: I know the answer lies in higher consciousness but it doesn't solve the problems created by lower conscious states. Is there any reconciliation possible between the two?
The emphasis on time has always niggled me (a personal issue). We have been conditioned into believing that there is something to fix. The mere contemplation that everything is as it should be can help to balance this fixation imo.
(10-30-2015, 12:17 PM)Enyiah Wrote: The only way possible begins with accountability!
The only way I can encourage others to claim that sense of responsibility is to accept them, to recognise that their behaviour does not truly represent who they are, and attempt to inspire their inherent identity. It is such an important issue right now to accept the impulsive behaviours that contribute to the issues you are pointing out. Placing my attention on this behaviour merely adds to the clapping audience that applauds it. We all need mental space, but we are creating unhelpful traffic in our collective unconscious by issuing a sense of applause, contempt and urgency. Accountability is the natural by product of a transparent and love based community. It begins in our own minds, moment by moment, day by day. That is the best we can do, and one spark of awareness can fire-up another, through the process I am trying to to exemplify.
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RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Jeremy - 11-01-2015
Think of it as the antagonist in a play. Had there been no antagonist, there would be no need for protagonists. Hence the yin and yang of duality exists within this density purely for The Choice to be made. If such a choice didn't exist, such evolution within this density wouldn't exist thus the reason for it wouldn't either.
I'm not advocating nor endorsing such behaviour but to understand that that is what's needed for 3rd density entities to ultimately make The Choice, one can feel a bit more at ease at the situations that occur.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - native - 11-01-2015
(10-30-2015, 12:17 PM)Enyiah Wrote: I know the answer lies in higher consciousness but it doesn't solve the problems created by lower conscious states. Is there any reconciliation possible between the two? The only way possible begins with accountability!
It's said once forgiveness in consciousness has occurred within this plane, healing has occurred in the other planes even though there might not always be results here. An issue then, seems to be that we somehow hold on to this plane.
Aside from that, repression is never a good thing so I support your general attitude if you have a particular goal in mind for instance. Energies certainly need to be expressed and worked with, otherwise there is blockage which prevents new information from coming in.
Even though I can find a certain level of peace, things do tug on me here and there as well..so I get confused too. I know for certain however that dealing with things in my personal sphere is a responsibility that I can work with. All things seem to exist from dense to fine as Ra would say.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Enyiah - 11-01-2015
Thank-you all for your thoughts/reflections. I feel energized and encouraged trusting I can better work through this on a more conscious level.
Just so you know, this message is what sparked my query. My first thought after reading this was: ''you have to be totally naïve to believe that the cabal have the capacity to see what they have created and feel remorse over what they have produced''.
But then Kaaron made this statement: ''That they don't acknowledge themselves as part of our reality, will influence them to find another focal point in the now.''
Is this what is happening?
If there is any truth to this at all, there would follow some kind of 'action' on their part to correct some of the wrongs they have been responsible of creating!
So my point is that I would like to see a demonstration of some form of accountability before the whitewashing of amnesty. Am I being unreasonable to expect this?
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RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - AnthroHeart - 11-01-2015
I've read the channelings here: http://www.galacticchannelings.com/
Usually I'll read Matthew Ward when I get the chance.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Minyatur - 11-01-2015
(11-01-2015, 04:47 PM)Enyiah Wrote: Thank-you all for your thoughts/reflections. I feel energized and encouraged trusting I can better work through this on a more conscious level.
Just so you know, this message is what sparked my query. My first thought after reading this was: ''you have to be totally naïve to believe that the cabal have the capacity to see what they have created and feel remorse over what they have produced''.
But then Kaaron made this statement: ''That they don't acknowledge themselves as part of our reality, will influence them to find another focal point in the now.''
Is this what is happening?
If there is any truth to this at all, there would follow some kind of 'action' on their part to correct some of the wrongs they have been responsible of creating!
So my point is that I would like to see a demonstration of some form of accountability before the whitewashing of amnesty. Am I being unreasonable to expect this?
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I do believe that ultimately it is self that has to forgive self.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Steppingfeet - 11-02-2015
(10-31-2015, 04:56 PM)Enyiah Wrote: So....The other selves (1%) (which is also myself) is behaving very badly towards their (other selves/humanity) and they deserve to be loved because they are also myself.
Is there any other way to deal with this reality without giving allowance for the abuse to continue?
(11-01-2015, 04:47 PM)Enyiah Wrote: If there is any truth to this at all, there would follow some kind of 'action' on their part to correct some of the wrongs they have been responsible of creating!
So my point is that I would like to see a demonstration of some form of accountability before the whitewashing of amnesty.
Am I being unreasonable to expect this?
(I added the bold to your quoted text above.)
Questions of how a society governs and how a justice system ought to work in a completely service-to-others' oriented world are questions that confound me. How crime and punishment ought to be managed in a world like ours of mixed polarity with mostly unpolarized entities, compounds my confoundment.
I don't think that the search for spiritual enlightenment precludes taking action in this world toward fighting for human or environmental rights, standing up for what you believe in and offering (non-violent) resistance to those who wish to curtail those rights.
The spiritual dimension comes into play by owning but not overly identifying with your role, seeing events transpiring against a backdrop of wholeness, completeness, and perfection; seeing all players upon the stage (villains included) as you, the Creator. Replying to them with a heart that seeks not to judge, hate, or condemn the other self - instead loving them as they are, but saying "no" to the service which they wish to offer.
To the extent that these processes happen through the legal and justice systems, I think accountability is important if the society wants to know itself, and learn from its actions, and grow toward a chosen (hopefully unified) ideal. Not to be punitive, per se, but to bring to light and make conscious that which was formerly partially or completely hidden from view.
South Africa had a remarkably unique and, I believe, healing means of achieving accountability through their Truth and Reconciliation commissions sometime after Apartheid officially ended that you may enjoy looking into.
Also this quote from Ra may speak somewhat to your questions:
Quote:34.9 Ra: . . . The societal and self interactions most often concentrate upon the second and third energy centers. Thus those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which will put power in a more correct configuration. This may be seen to be of a full travel from negative to positive in orientation. Either will activate these energy ray centers.
There are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green-ray nature or above. These entities, however, are few due to the understanding, may we say, of fourth ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principalities or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Enyiah - 11-02-2015
Quote:Bring4th GLB:I am not referencing the workings of the judicial system in my quest for a show of accountability.
Questions of how a society governs and how a justice system ought to work in a completely service-to-others' oriented world are questions that confound me. How crime and punishment ought to be managed in a world like ours of mixed polarity with mostly unpolarized entities, compounds my confoundment.
If they want to lay a claim to forgiveness, then let them STOP the offensive behaviours for a start! The channeled message is saying that 'they' are feeling remorse over what they have created. AM I supposed to believe that this so-called 'remorse' is genuine? If it is, then where is the evidence?
Quote:Bring4th_GLB:
The spiritual dimension comes into play by owning but not overly identifying with your role, seeing events transpiring against a backdrop of wholeness, completeness, and perfection; seeing all players upon the stage (villains included) as you, the Creator. Replying to them with a heart that seeks not to judge, hate, or condemn the other self - instead loving them as they are, but saying "no" to the service which they wish to offer.
I understand what you are saying. I have yet to incorporate the Ra principles to my inner vision so my understanding of the dynamics are coming more from my gut/feeling. I see/experience myself as a 'player' in the Play.
In spiritual work one walks step by step towards greater consciousness by BEING accountable/responsible from the start! I see these STS as wanting only the easy way out by professing remorse(?) Do they get a free pass and I let them feed off my energy to boot?
I'm all for Universal Love and yet I do not wish to 'give' my energy away through blind acceptance. I do not wish to give my power away by agreeing to the unacceptable.
If the 'remorse' is genuine, I say, let me see the evidence. On what grounds and for what purpose should I bathe them in absolution? I hear an echo within me saying ''It is what it IS''. It's a little frustrating you know. :-/
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Minyatur - 11-02-2015
(11-02-2015, 01:08 PM)Enyiah Wrote:Quote:Bring4th GLB:I am not referencing the workings of the judicial system in my quest for a show of accountability.
Questions of how a society governs and how a justice system ought to work in a completely service-to-others' oriented world are questions that confound me. How crime and punishment ought to be managed in a world like ours of mixed polarity with mostly unpolarized entities, compounds my confoundment.
If they want to lay a claim to forgiveness, then let them STOP the offensive behaviours for a start! The channeled message is saying that 'they' are feeling remorse over what they have created. AM I supposed to believe that this so-called 'remorse' is genuine? If it is, then where is the evidence?
Quote:Bring4th_GLB:
The spiritual dimension comes into play by owning but not overly identifying with your role, seeing events transpiring against a backdrop of wholeness, completeness, and perfection; seeing all players upon the stage (villains included) as you, the Creator. Replying to them with a heart that seeks not to judge, hate, or condemn the other self - instead loving them as they are, but saying "no" to the service which they wish to offer.
I understand what you are saying. I have yet to incorporate the Ra principles to my inner vision so my understanding of the dynamics are coming more from my gut/feeling. I see/experience myself as a 'player' in the Play.
In spiritual work one walks step by step towards greater consciousness by BEING accountable/responsible from the start! I see these STS as wanting only the easy way out by professing remorse(?) Do they get a free pass and I let them feed off my energy to boot?
I'm all for Universal Love and yet I do not wish to 'give' my energy away through blind acceptance. I do not wish to give my power away by agreeing to the unacceptable.
If the 'remorse' is genuine, I say, let me see the evidence. On what grounds and for what purpose should I bathe them in absolution? I hear an echo within me saying ''It is what it IS''. It's a little frustrating you know. :-/
I don't think it's about remorse, as remorse is something to be transcended too. In the end every entity will accept all of it's fate as Love and Light, and all will be seen as One.
The deeds of one are the deeds of all, just as the deeds of all are the deeds of One. In the idea that you have created all of your reality, you have created every evil you witness so that you could reject it as part of your experience. We are all co-creators but in truth we are One Creator, co-creators are something we create in parallel to any self we are exploring as other versions of himself to be among.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Stranger - 11-02-2015
(11-02-2015, 01:08 PM)Enyiah Wrote: On what grounds and for what purpose should I bathe them in absolution?
Excellent questions!
Purpose: to heal yourself. You don't bathe them in absolution when you forgive. You heal a rift within yourself. Buddha said that anger is like holding a hot coal with the intent to throw it at someone - it burns you first.
As spiritually evolving beings, our primary goal is to learn unconditional love. The closer we can come to that goal, the closer we come to the bliss of the Creator, who, like the sun, "shines upon the just and the unjust alike." So, if you want to achieve your soul's primary wish and aim, and to be happy - those are the purposes of forgiveness.
Now, on to grounds. Ultimately, there is only one being in the Universe. One conscious entity role-playing various forms. The forms themselves have no life, no substance - they are thought forms; Ra calls them "husks". One person is role-playing many roles, and there is only one person: the Creator.
From that perspective - the most clear and least distorted level of looking at the world - being angry at another makes as much sense as being angry at the actor playing a villain in a movie. Not at the character - the character is just a figment of the imagination. The actor is simply reading the lines he's meant to read. So who is there to be angry at, to not forgive?
Everything you see is simply perfect, blissful, untainted light, channeled into different forms that make it superficially appear as something else. When we come to 3D, we agree to put on goggles that make a flat and artificial creation appear real. Let's call them 3D goggles. And so we begin to think that the movie is real, and get upset at the characters. Ever get sucked in to a movie's plotline so much that you start to sympathize with the characters, who don't even exist? Now, imagine that taken to the extreme: if you were born in a movie theater and could not remember a time before you were watching the movie. That's very much what's happening here. Plato's myth of the cave is an amazingly, brilliantly accurate metaphor for 3D.
What's the solution? Reconnect with reality outside the movie theater; remember what is truly real, and what is merely an interesting and captivating story. Outside of your local AMC, it's a mixed bag. Outside of the 3D movie we're all watching, however, it's all everlasting bliss that lacks nothing. And just as we can be in the movie theater and, at the same time, in the "real world", so are we simultaneously in 3D and in the True Reality that is perfect light. Realizing this state while still in the 3D illusion is both the grounds and the purpose of forgiveness.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Kaaron - 11-03-2015
What i meant was existing in a loving state of being will give you the perspective that will afford forgiveness aswell as act as a safeguard against being influenced to judge another self as hurting us. This is a prespective that allows you to see them for who they are and also enables you to see them in the best possible light as it is from a place of love.
Needing some kind of accountability, to me, is an expectation of justice for a perceived wrong...when in actual fact, due to the law of free will, it is within their right as creators and perspectives of the one infinite creator, to do whatever they feel is conducive to furthering their progression.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Kaaron - 11-03-2015
Having said that, forgiving them is more about seeing things for what they are and loving them because you see them as part of yourself that are ignorant to the fact rather than accepting or condoning the behaviour. It's kind of like forgiving yourself for the times you're less than accommodating to others. You might not see the self serving action at the time but hindsight provides the clarity.
They think they're doing what's best for them by taking out the competition which is us or other selves...so to them, it's the right thing to do. Knowing we are all one is what gives us a reference point that places their viewpoint at odds with ours.
So forgive them for not coming to the realization that we are all one....YET.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Steppingfeet - 11-03-2015
Edit note: inexplicably the system is not letting me put your thoughts into quote boxes. I'll differentiate by bolding text.
Enyiah: I am not referencing the workings of the judicial system in my quest for a show of accountability.
If they want to lay a claim to forgiveness, then let them STOP the offensive behaviours for a start! The channeled message is saying that 'they' are feeling remorse over what they have created. AM I supposed to believe that this so-called 'remorse' is genuine? If it is, then where is the evidence?
Oh. Sorry if i misunderstood you. I can't speak to what these other selves are or are not feeling.
Chances are that if this group to which you refer are consciously polarizing service-to-self individuals, then thy do not feel a great deal of remorse. Or if they do, it is yet another catalyst to command within themselves, not something which they have genuine interest in using to reform themselves into positively oriented beings.
Though I speak only in generalities here. I would imagine that negative beings do from time to time realize that they would prefer traveling the other path, and vice versa. Remorse could a mechanism for that crossover.
Enyiah: In spiritual work one walks step by step towards greater consciousness by BEING accountable/responsible from the start! I see these STS as wanting only the easy way out by professing remorse(?)
In my understanding, taking responsibility for ones life goes hand and hand with spiritual maturation. The stronger one is along either chosen path, the greater their responsibility. Though the polarities would, I'm sure, see responsibility in different, if not diametrically opposite, lights.
Enyiah: I'm all for Universal Love and yet I do not wish to 'give' my energy away through blind acceptance. I do not wish to give my power away by agreeing to the unacceptable. Do they get a free pass and I let them feed off my energy to boot?
STS entities don't feed off universal love. That energy repulses and sickens them. They feed off fear, anger, and all the little perverse joys that come with successful manipulation/enslavement/domination/control of self and other.
You only give away your power when you fail to take responsibility for your own creation, your own inner state of consciousness. Regardless of what is or is not happening in the world, you and you alone are responsible for your state of consciousness, attitude, mindset, worldview, etc. To assign responsibility to others, or to events, for your own being is to give away that power.
Love and Light are powers that transform, liberate, redeem, and illuminate.
Enyiah: I didn't read the channeling so I can't speak to this particular dynamic, but, in general, forgiveness - while it has a lightening effect upon the whole planet - is less about the one being forgiven and more about the person doing the forgiving.
Like Stranger was saying with the hot coal analogy, forgiveness is a means of releasing the burden of resentment, condemnation, anger, hatred, etc. It is a means of inching closer to the true and actual nature of this and all situations, away from separation and toward unity. It is a path, and walking it lifts your own vibrations to radiate love and light - forces so powerful and fundamental that they do infinitely more to transform the situation on the ground than do all the resentment/anger/frustration combined.
Nonetheless, this is a frustrating place.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - caycegal - 11-03-2015
All the great spiritual teachers have taught that forgiveness is essential for the aspirant.
Jesus even said to turn the other cheek, which seems to suggest non-resistance, even so far as not protecting self.
I'm aware I must learn to forgive more, but have not gotten far enough to let go of the idea of self-defense for myself and those I love. Perhaps I will have to get there eventually, though.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - rva_jeremy - 11-03-2015
I'd like to offer more thoughts, but right off the bat, you might be interested to listen to this podcast episode on a philosophical approach to forgiveness: http://philosophybites.com/2015/01/lucy-allais-on-forgiveness.html
When it gets to the politics, this is a topic I have offered for discussion on the podcast. I am flummoxed as well by it! I'll try to expand later in the hopes that I can at least offer your confusion the comfort of company.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Stranger - 11-03-2015
I've just started reading a truly wonderful little book which, if one opens up to it, can help you live from the point of view that you are God, that there is nothing but God, and that all that occurs, all that you do, is God's actions ("I am closer to you than your own breath") - but since we forget the true state of things, our ego ("I") falsely takes credit and blame. By recognizing and remaining mindful of the true state of things, we are able to bring the perfection and harmony and power of God into our reality; to adopt that perspective I described in my earlier post that lets us transcend the illusion and allow all other-selves to play their roles in this illusion as best they see fit, accepting and loving and blessing the God within them and ourselves.
The book is "The I AM Discourses" of St. Germain by Godfre Ray King. Allegedly, the contents were heard from a beam of light that appeared in the writer's room. Regardless of its origins, I found it wonderfully consonant with the Law of One material - but whereas the Law of One content tends to be very cerebral, the Discourses connected on the level of feeling, making a stronger impact.
Incidentally, it opens with "This series of books is dedicated in deepest Eternal Love and Gratitude to [...] the Great Ones from Venus".
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - anagogy - 11-03-2015
(10-30-2015, 12:17 PM)Enyiah Wrote: Is there such a thing as 'blind' forgiveness? Does it depend on your perspective, your perception of reality?
Take for example what is going on in the world at this moment. The 1% of STS are purposely poisoning the air,food we breathe/eat. They stir up strife all over the world with a mindset of 'divide and conquer' and the list can go on and on. Their Agenda is known by now. How would you react if I said, 'forgive them'. Would you think it is important to do so or not? Do you think 'forgiveness' would be helpful or wasted in the situation as it stands in this present moment in history/time.
I would like to explore the qualities of 'forgiveness' applicable to the World situation as we know it. There must be a way to be at peace without condoning the questionable behaviours of the 1%. I know the answer lies in higher consciousness but it doesn't solve the problems created by lower conscious states. Is there any reconciliation possible between the two? The only way possible begins with accountability!
Higher consciousness/awareness is moving to correct the situations which no longer serve for the good of humanity.
I do not feel resentful, angry, fearful about the situation as it is what it is. Yet, 'blind/blanket forgiveness' is not the energy I want to offer to this combination of circumstance. Your thoughts on this subject are appreciated.
My perspective is this, Enyiah: I look at those whom are polarized negatively the same way I do the animal kingdom. Not in the sense that I think they are so unscrupulous they might as well be animals in some degrading sense. It's not like that, and I don't see animals as lesser anyhow (they are different than us, but not lesser) so that wouldn't make sense. But I accept them the same way I do the animal kingdom in the fact that in the animal kingdom there are a multitude of needs/wants and beings going about attempting to satisfy them.
For example, say you come across a grizzly out hiking in the forest (this is the first analogy that comes to mind to me, because I spend an inordinate amount of time in the woods). A grizzly bear can be extremely aggressive. It might even try to kill you. Is there any sense being mad about its behavior? It is simply doing that which is in its nature to do. Does that mean you let it do that which is in its nature to do (say, for example: kill and eat you)? No. You take defensive precautions (for example: I keep bear spray on me at all times when I'm hiking).
The negatively polarized are just smarter bears. They are simply doing that which is in their nature to do, as service to self entities. I neither condone, nor condemn their activities. It is what it is. And my nature is what it is. So when faced with opposing desires such as the desire to serve the whole, or the desire to serve the elite, it is no different. Each does what is in their nature to do, and there is no reconciliation between the two in the 3rd density plane of existence (until a planet is fully harvested either 4D positive or 4D negative). Thus, they each reject what the other is offering. Rejection of what the STS offers depolarizes STO slightly. Acceptance of the STO refusal to be controlled depolarizes STS slightly. This is the game of potentials of 3rd density.
So in terms of forgiveness of them it is simply not required on my part because I don't hold anything against them. Well, that is the ideal. Personally, obviously, it is a lot more challenging to maintain this kind of objectivity when these proverbial smarter bears are making my personal life difficult, but that is the nature of day to day catalyst and personal balancing.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - rva_jeremy - 11-03-2015
(10-30-2015, 12:17 PM)Enyiah Wrote: I would like to explore the qualities of 'forgiveness' applicable to the World situation as we know it. There must be a way to be at peace without condoning the questionable behaviours of the 1%. I know the answer lies in higher consciousness but it doesn't solve the problems created by lower conscious states. Is there any reconciliation possible between the two? The only way possible begins with accountability! Higher consciousness/awareness is moving to correct the situations which no longer serve for the good of humanity.
I do not feel resentful, angry, fearful about the situation as it is what it is. Yet, 'blind/blanket forgiveness' is not the energy I want to offer to this combination of circumstance.
As I respond, please understand how intimately I struggle with precisely the same set of concerns and conundrums you're detailing here. I have not figured any of this out to anywhere near my own satisfaction.
One part of me says that, since the greatest service we perform is in simple being, not doing, there is no spiritual role to play other than simply witnessing the damage, mourning it deeply, and lightening the vibrations of the planet with our love and light. Any focus on what should be done is supposed to be useless, because we're not here to prevent the "1%" from overtly winning; their apparent, material primacy is the backdrop of the spiritual work in which we're engaged.
Another part of me says that, if 4D and higher entities in the confederation can resist STS forces, there must be some way we can do that with faithfulness in 3D. Perhaps there is a sense in which it is about doing positive work to counter the problems without being invested in the outcomes of the work. It would be an activist-oriented version of "forget ye the counting". There are all sorts of social and psychological ways in which we affect others without knowing it consciously, and perhaps we are to resist the negative forces best by fighting losing battles that inspire others to more permanent, long-term change. Resistance can then be loving, because it is not invested in winning, and true forgiveness and acceptance can occur.
Both of those attitudes demand a great deal of inner work to realize effectively. So great is the work that it can seem to distract from the boots-on-the-ground struggles against imminent, urgent catastrophes in the social, ecological, economic, political, etc. spheres--real areas where things are in danger of being permanently lost. Therefore, I think the best thing we can do as activists is to take care of ourselves, work on ourselves, and be examples of positivity in a struggle that can often be very embittering, disempowering, and heartbreaking.
Also, a reminder:
Ra Wrote:The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.How can we engender a situation where the negative forces are simply no longer needed, instead of somehow defeated or merely surrendered to?
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - Nicholas - 11-03-2015
(11-02-2015, 10:33 PM)Stranger Wrote:(11-02-2015, 01:08 PM)Enyiah Wrote: On what grounds and for what purpose should I bathe them in absolution?
Buddha said that anger is like holding a hot coal with the intent to throw it at someone - it burns you first.
Yes I remember a quote similar to this but do not know who originally said it..."Forgiveness is like setting someone free only to realise you were the prisoner."
Also, my favourite Banksy picture...
You say you hear an echo within you saying "it is what it IS". That sounds like your own inner wisdom? Ra did note that for the most part, the harvest of our previously experienced lives which they term pure emotions, wisdoms, biases and distortions were largely ignored or underestimated while in physical form.
RE: Forgiveness: What about it? - rva_jeremy - 11-03-2015
Just as a thought experiment: what would it mean to offer the 1% blind, blanket forgiveness? Like, what would be lost if we did that?
I'm with you, man: put the metaphorical gun down, and it'll go a lot easier for you, son. But I wonder: if I just forgave them wholesale, without any expectation that they've "reformed", what am I giving up to get that?