Quote:P: My question came up in the last session. It was surrounding Maldek and Mars. Why does it seem like such a current theme for planets to be destroying themselves? Not planets but peoples of the planets, destroying themselves, their cultures! Is it central to this solar system or is it a common theme in third density?

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. The pattern, my brother, we would agree is well advanced and is indeed endemic to this region of space controlled by the Logos, or shall we say, sub-Logos that is your sun. The creation that was designed by this entity used a great deal of free will and a heavy veiling so that it takes actual effort for most people to retrieve their memory of the larger picture that moves beyond one incarnation into the grand design of the creation itself and you as citizens of eternity.

We are not saying that the Creator has not gained a rich harvest of new information about Itself from this particular design of creation. However it does seem that the combination of advanced free will and advanced veiling of the actual metaphysical situation have created conditions that are unusually likely to produce the thought pattern of aggression in order to get one’s way. Since it is so difficult to see that we are all one in your third-density experience, since the veiling is so complete, it becomes possible for entities to contemplate ending another’s life with less discomfort than if they were contemplating ending their own life. This has made it possible for entities to become habituated to the destruction of other selves.

(05-30-2010, 05:07 PM)Turtle Wrote: Well, it's like Ra said. The negative path is just the path of "that which is not"...meaning you are NOT all important and above your slaves if you are some 5d STS master. You are just compounding the illusion you are already in by believing that. You ARE your slaves, you are one with the all.

Quote:There is no right or wrong (morally).

Quote:I remember something about the previous universe not having this dichotomy of STS and STO...and that the "theme" or whatever you wanna call it in that universe was one of "the mover and the moved". Sounds pretty interesting, like a less complicated version of the whole Good VS Bad thing in this universe (or is it only local to this galaxy?). Can you imagine what the underlying principle or schism of the one, would be in the next octave? It thrills me to imagine this.

Quote:i dont agree with Ra. actually i disagree with them fundamentally.

'path of self' is not a possibility for anything apart from the infinite existence (of us all). because, no finite entity can express or embody infinity in its finite existence, and no finite entity will ever become infinite, never, ever.

that is why the path of negativity ends early 6th density, because it can not go any further.

Quote:it would be like regressing to live like a crocodile, despite you are currently a human now.

Quote:trying to practice the higher laws in a lower density will be unwise, at its best.

(05-30-2010, 05:36 PM)Turtle Wrote: Where is the disagreement? Both you and Ra are saying that the path of self exists, but it will not lead you back to rejoining the infinite creator that you truly are.

(05-30-2010, 05:36 PM)Turtle Wrote: About the morality thing, I completely agree with you. Of course when Ra says there is no right or wrong morals, they are speaking about their own perspective, as well as the perspective of infinity. Right and wrong morals exist as truth only to those who wish to see it that way.

Quote:I agree, and disagree.

Being vs Doing...Q'uo says either focus is acceptable, appreciated and worthy. It is all a matter of choice/perspective essentially.

Godspeed!

Quote:my opinion is that, it is extremely unwise and, also damaging to many others, to dislocate an entity from a higher frequency, in which it will be able to radiate much more of the much more needed higher frequency vibrations, and to put it in a limited, quarantined, blocked 3d environment, to fix an experiment gone awry.

(05-30-2010, 06:35 PM)Turtle Wrote: P.S. Every single person on this board, wanderer or no wanderer, is even more foolish/naive/crazy to have incarnated in this planet AT ALL, in light of what you typed, and also in light of my own opinions heh. Nothing short of a complete re-wiring of physical reality is going to change this world for the better, period. Even a reboot biblical style wouldn't work, people would still war with each other. Reality needs to be re-coded from the ground up, (aka 3d needs to shut down and bring4th! pun intended).

Quote:This brings us back to some of the unique patterns of the human. There is this small ego self that we talk about. It is illusion, but within the human experience it feels real and solid. This illusion has one purpose as far as it knows, and that is to maintain itself at all costs. Why? If you are that angel I spoke of yesterday and truly connected with God, why would you want to maintain the illusion of separation? What purpose has this illusion? When you incarnate, you agree to experience this veil of forgetting, an opacity that cuts you off from the clear seeing of your true nature. Again, why? Why agree to that?

For reasons I cannot easily explain, the primary lessons of third density are faith and love. What will teach you faith? If you incarnate with full awareness of who you are and what you are doing in this incarnation, with clear seeing of the divinity in yourself and in all beings and the clear experience of God, where is faith to be learned? But that faith is a foundation. Without that faith the later lessons of wisdom may so easily become distorted and move the being into negative polarity. So these muscles of faith must be built by practice.

You know that there are many planes of learning and that this earth experience is a somewhat new experiment insofar as the entire history of the universe. Perhaps the greatest success of this experiment has been the profundity of the way faith is learned, of the experience of faith on this plane. This is a gift, this veil of forgetting. Because of the veil you cannot take your divinity for granted, but must always move deeper into the experience of it, must always work to separate illusion from deeper reality. And yet, no matter how clearly you experience that deeper reality, as human, it still must be taken as a matter of faith. You are not given proof.

One thing that is occurring here is that you are strengthening the will to express your divinity and to be of service to all beings. If there were clear seeing with no veil, you might come into incarnation and say, “Yeah, I’d like to serve. Sure, why not?” But it would not be a strong decision from within the heart, not a deep answering to a call, just following the pattern: “This is what everybody’s doing; I’ll go along with it.” Can you see the difference? Intention is all-important.

We emphasize that you have free will. We emphasize responsibility. In essence, this veil and the matter of faith offer you the opportunity to exercise that free will and responsibility without clearly knowing what you are doing, just trusting that light within you and the way it connects you to all that is. Through each incarnation lived in faith you grow into deeper readiness for that responsibility. You are responsible for what you know. To know, to have deeper wisdom and understanding, carries deeper responsibility. Without the deep support of faith, that responsibility would seem too great a burden.

When you see clearly who and what you are on the astral plane between your human lifetimes and after graduation from this plane, then your decisions to serve, for example, grow out of a strong place only of will. Because you know who you are and are ready for that responsibility in the upper densities, there is no problem. On the earth plane it can easily become distorted so that will twists itself into judgment and self-judgment. Rather than expressing love, one would simply express self-discipline. One would move into a sense, “I came to do this and I’m going to do it, and nothing’s going to stop me!” But you are not here to learn that level of self-determination, not here to use force and judgment as guidance for your choices, but here to learn love as guidance for your choices. To express your energy with love, there must be that sense of connection that grows out of faith.

Quote:My dear brothers and sisters, you have learned. This experiment that we have called Earth has been successful beyond our wildest imaginings. Of course, there is negativity on this plane. There would need to be. You understand that it is part of your catalyst for learning and that there is no duality, no difference between the positive and the negative in the long run and that, at the same time, negativity must be resisted with love because of the suffering that it creates.

What has occurred on this earth plane that has seemed so wonderful is that those of you of third density who are learning these lessons of faith and love graduate with far more depth, also, into the fourth- and fifth-density lessons of compassion and wisdom. Of course, there is no time pressure, so you may well ask, “What difference does it make if we learn the lessons ahead of our grade, so to speak?” The difference is that compassion and wisdom are not finite skills. The being who moves into fourth density already with deep compassion and wisdom expands those qualities far beyond what has come to be expected on other planes of learning. Our experience, then, is that those of you who move through this earth plane, working skillfully with the catalysts of this plane, have moved into an expanded sense of compassion and wisdom by the end of seventh density, and in that way expand the Infinite.

While the compassion and wisdom of that which we might call God or the Eternal are infinite, they are also ever-learning and ever-expanding. And those of you who move into seventh and finally eighth density through this plane and return to that spirit which is your essence bring a far deeper wisdom and compassion that expands the Eternal and Infinite.

Quote:No, my brother, it is not similar. The name we have for that planet is Maldek. That particular planet chose consciously the evil way. Thus, it destroyed itself. In the case of Atlantis, there were, even at the end, very advanced beings on the side of light. They escaped and helped to form very advanced civilizations in South America and in the region which you call Tibet. Thus, the two situations are not alike. Maldek was a pure planet, and if you can appreciate evil as the polarity of good, you can appreciate the dark magnificence of that planet as it destroyed itself.

We do not have the sentimental hatred for evil, as you call it, that those among your peoples do when they speak of evil, that which Lucifer has become, that is, the devil. We find evil useful, because it delineates the good, giving you the choice that makes you learn. You have only to be conscious that you have that choice in order to have a great head start upon vibrating always towards the positive, towards love. Because of this you may well suffer. However, each tear that you let fall is gold, for you learn as you grow. And with each trial you become more able to be above good and evil, so that you seek only the Creator.

Quote:Carla: Well, what about the people from Maldek that blew their planet up, and the people from Mars? Those two civilizations both. Look at Lemuria—it’s a continuing pattern here of people basically wiping out their habitat. Is it inevitable for third-density people to do that? No, don’t answer that question. You really already did. It just seems so strange that it’s happened again and again and again.

I am Q’uo, and we would comment only to suggest that within your solar system there has been a great variety of experience, from the most disharmonious to the most harmonious, and it is within this range of experience that much has been learned. Not all progress is achieved in an harmonious fashion. Much there is of love that is learned by experiencing its polar opposite.

Quote:One may be, as this instrument would say, in the desert, where the spiritual topography is alien and mystifying or it may be in the most exalted of subjectively perceived spiritual states. To the healer which is mature and therefore efficacious, this will make no difference for the healer who is mature has become aware that the Creator is always present, that the power of the unnamable mystery is always infinite and that this power exists in every location, at every time and under any and all conditions. In other words, the healer learns to tap into that which lies beneath the experiences of the desert or the oasis. That deep level is as a sea which once tapped into offers the absolute inner subjective surety that faith is real and hope exists to save. The healer, in other words, turns from all appearances within itself before it turns away from the appearances presented in the patient.

Quote:Yet within your illusion, you move in a darkness and in a manner which requires the careful choosing of polarity, shall we say. For in order to do work of a spiritual nature, the battery of the seeker must be polarized as purely as possible. This polarization process proceeds for much of what you call time through many experiences. And as the seeking becomes more and more refined, the seeker in the positive polarity is able to appreciate more and more the essence of the one Creator which resides in all things, including those entities who have chosen to express the negative polarity of the one infinite Creator. Such a positive entity with this ability to appreciate the one Creator in all is an entity which has refined the process of seeking to a degree where all is seen as one; all is seen as the one infinite Creator and there is no polarity at this point.

May we answer you further, my sister?

Carla: I take it that’s quite a ways down the road?

I am Latwii, and we would agree, my sister, that for the seeker of truth in the positive sense this is quite a lengthy journey and reaches its culmination, shall we say, at the mid-sixth density level, at which time for any entity wishing to continue the process of evolution, it is necessary to see all as the one Creator. Yet it is possible from time to time on this journey for any entity to so purify its own thinking that it is able to experience the unity of all the creation for briefer moments.

May we answer you further, my sister?

Carla: No, just an observation that that sounds in some ways like risky business.

I am Latwii, and in one sense, my sister, we would agree. Each seeker of truth finds the path laid before it in a manner which leads inevitably to the one Creator. For in each moment the one Creator is all that is. Yet as the one Creator seeks to know Itself and has portioned Itself throughout the one creation in the positive and negative senses, those entities who travel this path of evolution will find that path, though inevitably leading to the one Creator, can be a path which has many surprises for those whose step is not sure and whose attention has been diverted for the moment. And it may be necessary from time to time for the seeker to learn lessons which may be described as difficult. Yet each lesson teaches love, wisdom and unity for those who are alert to the possibilities within difficulty.

Quote:Take the long view, my friends. Find the lightness of heart that this gives you, the balance of opinion, and the thoughtfulness, and eventually, the faith that it offers. [For when there is no reason to anything within the illusion, then it is that that which is mysterious outside of the illusion has the only possibility of being real.] Gaze at that pontificated reality, and realize that that reality, that mystery, is love, an energy indescribable. The infinite intelligence of the one Creator is love, unpotentiated, unpolarized, unaware. It merely loves. The active principle of free will is chosen again and again by the Creator, Who chooses to make a creation and form active principles of Itself that It may learn of Its own nature. We already know the answer: the nature of the Creator is love; the nature of you is love; the nature of your circumstances is love. Whatever they may be, all is as it should be; all offers the catalyst that is required at the present time.

Quote:It is a long journey. It is a journey which will close as you close your earthly eyes for the last time. It is a long game, a game which has a simple strategy: know the self, accept the self, become the Creator. As you discover the deeper parts of yourself, the Creator-self, you will find that your eyes are opened to find the good and the love and the peace that is possible in all situations. You will find yourself becoming sturdier, more stable, more unfazed by the world of ten thousand things, as this instrument would say.

Quote:Love, my friends, is not what man perceives within his intellect. Love is not the emotion that is felt for another. Love is not attachment to any given thing. Love is totally detached, yet infinitely united within truth, within the light of the Creator. All things are united due to the existence of love. In experiencing the concept of love, there are many things which must be learned before you can truly comprehend the infinity of the concept. Love is all that exists. Love is all things which you experience and which you can see. Love at many times may appear to be what you might call negative in its effect upon you or others, yet, my friends, you must indeed, in order to learn, be exposed and have experience on what you would call both sides of the coin. You must be aware of the negativity which exists within your present experience as only an assistant to your learning process. You are assisted by those acts which you consider to be negative in that they allow you to weigh within yourself the value of that which you consider to be negative and that which you consider to be positive.

Quote:When you become aware that you are entering the presence of another, take a moment to acknowledge, accept and admire the perfection of that individual. Naturally, that perfection is not apparent to the outer eye in most cases. Do not let that stop you. You know that each entity is the Creator. Take a moment to establish that acknowledgment, acceptance and admiration.

Quote:I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. And we would respond by saying that we could not have said it better. For, indeed, all of the experience of the one Creator in all densities of illusion is the Creator knowing Itself through infinite means, infinite entities, and the polarity of the light and the dark, that which you have called service to others and service to self. Thus, the creation itself is held in place by this dynamic tension. And thus the Creator is able to play in those fields of flowers that It has created for Itself.

Quote:The service moves through the interaction of all parts, persons and particles of creation. This is the Creator knowing Itself. This is the reason for the creation, that the Creator may know Itself through each of its portions, each part of the creation. Thus, as you move through your daily round of activities, you interact with other portions of the Creator to inform the Creator, according to your free will, of the various experiences which are open to you as you choose this and that, this and that.

Quote:P: I would like to ask if there is another reason for existence besides the Creator knowing Itself?

I am Q’uo, and though we are aware of the query which you have asked we are not aware of any other reason or indication that the Creator might have for this experience which we all share, though we do not say such a reason could not exist. As far as we have plumbed this great and infinite mystery the only reason we have found for this experience is that it is our portion of the one Creator’s pattern of beingness, that is that we should become that which is and should find a greater and greater expression of ourselves to be the same as the Creator’s self.

Quote:Who is to say one can manage to crack the divine plan of anything and view a portion of creation with something that is not wanted? - does not any part no matter how small of creation paradoxically contain the infinite one creator?

Quote:So why is there discontent for the situation one is in when there is suffering and a cloudy view? is this not the creator knowing itself?

(05-30-2010, 07:18 PM)Turtle Wrote: I'd say this choice is a very unwise choice, for we are truly separating ourselves from the rest of creation so much, so totally that we can then believe ANYTHING we want, BUT our supposed "free will" is not free (it never is, free will is also a distortion of TLOO remember). It is still determined by what we pre-planned for ourselves to experience as we grow from infant to teenager (the precious time where you are molded by your environment and most of who you are is shaped by outside influences).

Quote:I do not mean this place and it's veil are UNWORTHY of existing, or that I despise this place. I simply think we are fools in coming here. Foolish to diminish our awareness to such an extreme degree.

Quote:The one original Thought of the Creator is expressed perfectly in your being. Not in an idealistic sense, but in the sense of here and now. Bitterness, wrangling, disputes, argument, debate and disharmony are all a part of the rough and ready perfection which the Creator praises with all of Its being in you and you and you. Each of you is perfect, yet each seeks the one original Thought. Each seeks the harmony, the peace, the joy that it has not or seems to have not.

Quote:Your sun body is a sub-Logos, a manifester and center of light and love, which it pours out upon all indiscriminately, generously and with great love. As you are perhaps aware, the actions of each of you do not go unnoticed in the universe. The creation of the Father is one and the universe balances itself endlessly with regard to each and every one of its infinite bits and pieces of creatorhood which are making the long, circular journey from alpha to omega and entering into alpha once again.

Quote:You ask this day how the Creator has stepped down its selfhood in, and to experience as, a third-density entity. The shortest and most bluntly accurate answer to the query is that the Creator has not stepped down this selfhood in anywise, in any density, or circumstance. The truth is the Creator; the rest is illusion.

All that you strive to comprehend, you already know. All that you strive to be, you already are. However, free will so dances with each entity in this Creatorhood. Thus each entity becomes unique within illusion and the oddity and peculiarity through illusion is valuable. However, let us move back to the point that the Creator is manifest in you and in all whom you see. Similarly, as regards healing. The healing is already perfected. Insofar as the entity wishing can lay hold of the vibrations which are those chosen to the original Vibration, just to that extent has the individual opened the self to a new reality with illusion.

Quote:There is not a person, no matter what his station, his state, or expression of morality, that is not beautiful. Each entity at the soul level is tremendously beautiful. Indeed, each entity—being the Creator—has a beauty beyond all imagining, for each is all that there is; each contains the universe. And would not each, then, have all aspects of beauty and ugliness, the entire range of esthetics within the self, locked in many, many treasure troves within the personality, waiting to be opened by the right combination of circumstance and motivation?

Quote:However, there are quanta, or heartbeats, in which the Creator’s knowledge of Itself is rendered open to alteration by the self-aware entities which are principles of the Creator, choosing by their free will to gather information and to process it in such and such a manner. And this the Creator can never know ahead of time and does not wish to know ahead of time. It is an important principle to the Creator: that Its portions that have been offered this background of densities and illusions have complete free will in looking at the creation around It, and responding to it, and in making those responses into a process of change, metamorphosis, and transformation of a certain kind. For each choice that each self-aware entity makes creates new possibilities, new patterns, and new potential choices that may add to the Creator’s experience of Itself.

Quote:I am the one known as Oxal. It is my privilege to aid, as best I can, those who seek, and it is true that this is all that is necessary. It is only necessary that you seek. And then you will find. You will find all that there is. My friends, you will find the creation. And, my friends, in finding this, you will find the Creator. For they are one and the same thing.

When you meet your fellow man in your daily activities, you will recognize him for what he really is, a part of the creation, just as you are part of the creation. And the creation, my friends, is the Creator.

And then, as you look at Him and He looks at you, the Creator looks at Himself, through each pair of eyes. It is only necessary that you recognize this concept and understand it, and then your thinking and the Creator’s will be the same. And you will know the meaning of love.

I hope that I have been of assistance in giving to you my concept of truth. We of the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator are expressing our concept of truth, a concept that is the result of our seeking. When we look at you, we see our Creator. This is our understanding. When we look at this infinite creation, in all of its wonders and all of its vastness, in all of its splendor, we are seeing the Creator. This is our understanding. And when we look at the smallest form of life, or even an insect, we are looking at our Creator. This is our understanding. For our understanding is that the Creator is expressing Himself throughout all of the infinite manifestations that we experience. And His thought in all of these manifestations is a thought of love.

Quote:It shall be understood that any portion, no matter how small, of any density or illusory pattern contains, as in an holographic picture, the One Creator which is infinity. Thus all begins and ends in mystery.

Quote:Although the Creation is that which is mysterious beyond all telling, its essence is love. And its interacting parts are all made of love. Let this be the basis of your approach to those times of challenge and resistance that you shall indeed meet again and again, whoever you are, whatever your path. It is a natural part of movement through the Density of Choice, the density of dynamic opposition. Only within yourself, girded with faith that all is well, can you open yourself to love.

Quote:When you seek the one infinite Creator, we ask you to remember that you have entered the precincts of mystery and paradox. All things are one, yet every single being is different. Even every snowflake is different. That is the kind of paradox that lets you know that you are on the track of the one infinite Creator. Do not be satisfied with easy answers and the seamless arrangements of thoughts that go into religious, spiritual and philosophical edifices of thoughts. For these are edifices of the mind and the intellect. They shall not bring you to the infinite One. They shall only make you very good at moving symbols around in your mind so that you feel that you have thought upon the divine.

Instead we ask you, if you wish to know the one infinite Creator, to invite that Creator into your life this moment. Ask, and you shall receive. Can you bear the brightness of the face of the one Creator? We believe you can. And in that faceless face that exists and does not exist, in that place of mystery and paradox shall you find a pleasant land indeed opening before you, a land in which you feel that Creator-ship within you.

Quote:What do you know? Let us look a bit deeper. Move, each of you, from the mind that is in your brain. Relinquish it and think courteously, gently, and with the skill of suitor, to pay court to your heart, for it is the unconscious and silent wisdom of the heart that gives to an entity its closest experience to that of knowing. Within the illusion in which you enjoy yourselves at this time nothing can be known. The sooner the seeker becomes aware that the truth will beckon ever onward, the sooner the seeker can set to rest the hunger for proof which so often leads to a debasing of the pure love of the truth. Relinquish your hold upon the need for proof, for that which is proof is proof within an illusion. Would you wish to know something in the illusion? For all that you know in the illusion is an illusion. Or would you wish, rather, to gaze straightway at the mystery that is not known and know that you are tabernacling with that mystery; that you live in that mystery and in a very central sense you are that mystery which is Creator and creation.

Quote:By saying this we wish to establish a basis upon which we may build. The foundation of the right consideration of an entity’s position as judge of its own creation depends firstly upon there being no authority that is final. No hand or word has the master’s authority over servants of the infinite One, for the infinite One has established that in all manifested creation there be no final, provable answers. As entities discover what seem to be definitive answers, the edge or furthest limit of knowledge is pushed back, and it is discovered that beyond that new pioneering frontier of knowledge there lies still an infinite mystery.

Quote:However, it is unnecessary in terms of preparing the self for graduation from third density to penetrate the veil of forgetting. Indeed, it is far more important, in preparing for graduation from third density, that one come finally to the understanding that one knows nothing and can know nothing of the mystery that is the one infinite Creator. Reaching this level of humility and emptiness offers to the seeking student a peace and a confidence that are lacking when one is striving to know more and seek more deeply into the history of the self before this incarnation.

The veil of forgetting was put into place not in order that it may be penetrated but to set up the conditions for a life in which the choice of polarity and the continuing choices of polarity that follow such an initial choice might be played out without any possibility of proof. The choice of service-to-self or service-to-others polarity is intended to be made against the backdrop of unknowing so that one must literally take a leap of faith in order to choose how to respond to the catalyst of everyday life.

Quote:Those things which we say are the best we have to offer through a particular channel at a particular moment, and we would not deceive you, thus we speak as truly as possible within the limits of spoken language. Yet each word has many meanings, each concept can be heard with many ears, many attitudes, and many predispositions. Those things which do not seen appropriate for your growth at this time must needs be left behind without a backward glance. The answers lie within you, not within us.

We are those who would inspire each of you to seek, to ask your questions with more and more care and love for the search itself, for your answers, as all answers, shall turn out to be illusion and with each revelation and transformation you shall discover that you have pushed back the frontier of mystery, only to find that same mystery beckoning from the new frontier. There is no information so complete and so satisfying that it constitutes the ultimate answer, for if it can be said, it is not the truth and he who says it has pride, not understanding.

Ra, Session 1, channelled by Carla, recorded by Jim, written by ... Wrote:Let us for a moment consider thought. What is it, my friends, to take thought? Took you then thought today? What thoughts did you think today? What thoughts were part of the original thought today? In how many of your thoughts did the creation abide? Was love contained? And was service freely given? You are not part of a material universe. You are part of a thought. You are dancing in a ballroom in which there is no material. You are dancing thoughts. You move your body, your mind, and your spirit in somewhat eccentric patterns for you have not completely grasped the concept that you are part of the original thought.

(05-31-2010, 11:11 AM)peelstreetguy Wrote: Very good thread. I've had many of the thoughts that have been shared in this thread. I too have felt that something has gone wrong. Why does it have to be this way? It wasn't like this for Ra in third density (the violence ect.).

(05-31-2010, 12:38 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: Is there anything morally wrong in thinking a "bad" thought, or just in doing the act?

In reality, there is no act, so how can anything we do, or anything that is done, be immoral or bad or wrong or right or good or moral?

We are thoughts; we may think this is real; we may think we are real. This is not. We are not. We are thoughts. Just as when each begins to meditate, thoughts have their own life, we have ours. We are the thoughts which occur when The One Creator meditates. We ARE The One Creator.

(05-30-2010, 10:05 PM)Cyclops Wrote: I see you are very thoughtful in your thinking and structuring logically the functions of the various aspects of the universe which are being discussed in this thread. Were I to do that I would feel I am fixing myself in knowing something which I really do not know, for I think I do not know anything. This is why all of my responses are made with my perception of the sessions and with the referring to the sessions of teachings for in truth I know nothing and can only act as an instrument to the sessions, to the ones who had channeled them and to the ones who had given the concepts.

Quote:The one original Thought of the Creator is expressed perfectly in your being. Not in an idealistic sense, but in the sense of here and now. Bitterness, wrangling, disputes, argument, debate and disharmony are all a part of the rough and ready perfection which the Creator praises with all of Its being in you and you and you. Each of you is perfect, yet each seeks the one original Thought. Each seeks the harmony, the peace, the joy that it has not or seems to have not.

Quote:The unyielding balance in the universe.
Q'uo Saturday Meditation September 27, 2008
[quote]Your sun body is a sub-Logos, a manifester and center of light and love, which it pours out upon all indiscriminately, generously and with great love. As you are perhaps aware, the actions of each of you do not go unnoticed in the universe. The creation of the Father is one and the universe balances itself endlessly with regard to each and every one of its infinite bits and pieces of creatorhood which are making the long, circular journey from alpha to omega and entering into alpha once again.

Quote:Q'uo Sunday Meditation March 13, 1994
[quote]You ask this day how the Creator has stepped down its selfhood in, and to experience as, a third-density entity. The shortest and most bluntly accurate answer to the query is that the Creator has not stepped down this selfhood in anywise, in any density, or circumstance. The truth is the Creator; the rest is illusion.

All that you strive to comprehend, you already know. All that you strive to be, you already are. However, free will so dances with each entity in this Creatorhood. Thus each entity becomes unique within illusion and the oddity and peculiarity through illusion is valuable. However, let us move back to the point that the Creator is manifest in you and in all whom you see. Similarly, as regards healing. The healing is already perfected. Insofar as the entity wishing can lay hold of the vibrations which are those chosen to the original Vibration, just to that extent has the individual opened the self to a new reality with illusion.

Quote:Q'uo Special Meditation June 28, 2002
[quote]There is not a person, no matter what his station, his state, or expression of morality, that is not beautiful. Each entity at the soul level is tremendously beautiful. Indeed, each entity—being the Creator—has a beauty beyond all imagining, for each is all that there is; each contains the universe. And would not each, then, have all aspects of beauty and ugliness, the entire range of esthetics within the self, locked in many, many treasure troves within the personality, waiting to be opened by the right combination of circumstance and motivation?

Quote:However, there are quanta, or heartbeats, in which the Creator’s knowledge of Itself is rendered open to alteration by the self-aware entities which are principles of the Creator, choosing by their free will to gather information and to process it in such and such a manner. And this the Creator can never know ahead of time and does not wish to know ahead of time. It is an important principle to the Creator: that Its portions that have been offered this background of densities and illusions have complete free will in looking at the creation around It, and responding to it, and in making those responses into a process of change, metamorphosis, and transformation of a certain kind. For each choice that each self-aware entity makes creates new possibilities, new patterns, and new potential choices that may add to the Creator’s experience of Itself.

Quote:Oxal Saturday Meditation March 9, 1974
[quote]I am the one known as Oxal. It is my privilege to aid, as best I can, those who seek, and it is true that this is all that is necessary. It is only necessary that you seek. And then you will find. You will find all that there is. My friends, you will find the creation. And, my friends, in finding this, you will find the Creator. For they are one and the same thing.

When you meet your fellow man in your daily activities, you will recognize him for what he really is, a part of the creation, just as you are part of the creation. And the creation, my friends, is the Creator.

And then, as you look at Him and He looks at you, the Creator looks at Himself, through each pair of eyes. It is only necessary that you recognize this concept and understand it, and then your thinking and the Creator’s will be the same. And you will know the meaning of love.

I hope that I have been of assistance in giving to you my concept of truth. We of the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator are expressing our concept of truth, a concept that is the result of our seeking. When we look at you, we see our Creator. This is our understanding. When we look at this infinite creation, in all of its wonders and all of its vastness, in all of its splendor, we are seeing the Creator. This is our understanding. And when we look at the smallest form of life, or even an insect, we are looking at our Creator. This is our understanding. For our understanding is that the Creator is expressing Himself throughout all of the infinite manifestations that we experience. And His thought in all of these manifestations is a thought of love.

Quote:Ra Session 13 of the Law of One January 29, 1981
[quote]It shall be understood that any portion, no matter how small, of any density or illusory pattern contains, as in an holographic picture, the One Creator which is infinity. Thus all begins and ends in mystery.

Quote:Here we have the second series of excerpts on why I myself feel that I do not know anything, for this resonates with me much. I do agree with these concepts for like I said in my first post I can not judge what I can not fathom, the said mystery which seems paradoxical.

Quote:Q'uo Special Meditation April 18, 2006
[quote]However, it is unnecessary in terms of preparing the self for graduation from third density to penetrate the veil of forgetting. Indeed, it is far more important, in preparing for graduation from third density, that one come finally to the understanding that one knows nothing and can know nothing of the mystery that is the one infinite Creator. Reaching this level of humility and emptiness offers to the seeking student a peace and a confidence that are lacking when one is striving to know more and seek more deeply into the history of the self before this incarnation.

(05-31-2010, 08:02 PM)unity100 Wrote: yes, any entity is valuable, but that doesnt mean any manifesting entity, is infinite.

(05-31-2010, 10:49 PM)Turtle Wrote: Any manifested entity is of course a finite thing. The seemingly paradoxical statement that we are each the infinite creator although we are finite individuals, is not so paradoxical once we take into account that any individual within creation is an illusion. We are all illusions, NOT real in the ultimate sense of the word real. Our experience is so much more real than the forms we inhabit. When you dream, the dream only stops seeming to be real once you wake up.

Quote:Infinity creates illusion so that it may experience itself as something finite (rewording Ra's quote about the Infinite Creator desired to know itself). This is the ultimate reason for any creation, any illusion....not the only reason of course, but the ultimate reason.

Godspeed!

(06-01-2010, 06:10 PM)Richard Wrote: Who are we to judge the failure (or eventual success) of a cosmic experiment measured in the span of human years? A million years of human experience measured agains a universe whose inception spans billions of years? As far as we know? Because our personal lives are not perfect…or our remembered history isn’t everything we imagined it should be? Therefore the experiment is a failure?

Quote:It’s the philosophical equivalent of 5 yr olds who think they have the way of the world figured out…yet have no concept of money..much less balancing a checkbook or driving a car.

Quote:Quo’ said it best when they said perhaps you (meaning us) should ask the creator….

Quote:infinite creator needing to know itself, is still not a perfect entity. it means, it is an entity needing/wanting to know itself. (themselves). in true infinity, there would be no need, or no desire, or no knowing.

(06-01-2010, 08:52 PM)Turtle Wrote: ................

(06-01-2010, 08:52 PM)Turtle Wrote: Everything in creation is therefore perfect, depending on your perspective. Example: I am a perfect human being because I fill the role of housing my mind/spirit. From my perspective this is all the human being is needed for, as a temple for the spirit.

As per our definitions of the words infinite and perfect...the Infinite Creator is both perfect and not perfect. Infinite Creator is perfect when it is manifested in any form or any way.

When you reunify with Infinity, you are then beyond any definition, including the definition of being perfect.

And finally, as Ra states, there is NO separation of self from Infinity. Any separation is illusory. The paradoxes as well, are Infinite.

Ugh, that took a while to sort through...I had a looooong post in the works until I decided to bring the definitions of perfect and infinity into this thread.

Godspeed!

(06-01-2010, 07:16 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(05-31-2010, 10:49 PM)Turtle Wrote: Any manifested entity is of course a finite thing. The seemingly paradoxical statement that we are each the infinite creator although we are finite individuals, is not so paradoxical once we take into account that any individual within creation is an illusion. We are all illusions, NOT real in the ultimate sense of the word real. Our experience is so much more real than the forms we inhabit. When you dream, the dream only stops seeming to be real once you wake up.

doesnt matter. if there is an illusory existence, and you are an illusory entity within that existence, you are still finite, hence, not infinite, in your illusory state.

basically, need to think practical ; to really be infinite, you would need to be infinite in all respects, not just in philosophy. then, you couldnt be able to live in ANY finite existence, body.

therefore, you are not infinite.

(06-01-2010, 10:19 PM)thefool Wrote: For me this will all be so boring without the extra challenge of the dark brotherhood, heavy veil and the possibility of losing my way at any moment. It is like walking on the edge of the sword and I would not have settled for anything less (well I must be in a good mood today ...

(06-01-2010, 10:43 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: You are Infinity, you are everything that can be; but you are everything that can be in potentiation.