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My apologies... - seph7sevn - 05-16-2016
If I upset anyone in this post, especially the moderators and admins, I apologize.
I'll admit, I came across a LONG ass article online somewhere about someone having a dialogue or whatever with a moderator or admin of Bring4th and L/L Research. I didn't read it, it would have taken too long, but I did skim over some of it and read a few things that got my attention. Sorry, I don't remember what site this article was at, who the author was, or the highlights or details of what was said...
The author of the article was having a dialogue with a moderator or admin of Bring4th, whom he called Adrian about the Law of One channeled material. Perhaps the article was more about the way the admins and moderators here at Bring4th were being about the Law of One channeled material.
Anyway, whoever it was having this dialogue with the moderator or admin seemed to be saying that the admin/moderator was being closed-minded about the Law of One channeled material and acting like it was infallible and the only truthful channeled material, everything else is half-truths and inferior, and other metaphysical sources of info were wrong, etc., bla bla bla.
Kind of a cult-like attitude and behavior...
Anyway, that seemed to be the authors experience and perception from what he said in his dialogue with the Bring4th admin/moderator.
And it got me to thinking, "If the admins and moderators at Bring4th are like this, and if I get called out, belittled, unduly criticized or whatever if I disagree with the Law of One material, or if they are THAT hung up on the Law of One material, acting like it's superior and right compared to other material, then I'm not gonna bother coming to this forum..."
Maybe I'm being a bit paranoid; maybe I'm pre-judging the admins and the way things are here at Bring4th...if so, I apologize.
I feel that any truth can stand up to questioning. I also feel that no one person, group, entities, philosophy or whatever has ALL the answers or ALL truth about everything or some specific thing. Also, our understanding of the truth is, or always should be, evolving, subject to adjustment and change based on new information, insight gained or revelation.
So far, I haven't read the Law of One material yet, but I have read the Wanderer's Handbook and enjoyed it.
Actually, the first channeled material I ever read was Barbara Marciniak's book Bringers of the Dawn, which is a compilation of alleged and documented channeled material from the Pleaidians. I'm not saying that I agree with everything the book says; when it comes to ANY channeled material, it's best to use discernment, take it with a bit of salt, and maybe put it on the backburner for another time if something doesn't ring true with you. However, I did enjoy the book and it did expand my thinking, a lot of it rang true for me and got me to consider and check out the possibilities of other things which I previously wouldn't have considered in my past, especially during my years in Christianity.
Again, due to the nature of channeled material of ANY kind, regardless of who it is purportedly from, it's best to use your own discernment, intuition, and critical thinking. If its true, it'll stand up to it. Humans sure as hell are not infallible, and neither are aliens, and even though they are more evolved and knowledgeable about things, even they don't have all the answers and their knowledge and understanding about some things can differ.
Assuming it is indeed coming from otherworldly intelligences, and it's not some elaborate, convincing, shadow government psy-ops or disinformation...
So, this puts all channeled material in the same boat. Bashar, the Pleaidians, Kron, the Law of One, etc.
Anyway, just wanted to say this and get it out...
RE: My apologies... - Minyatur - 05-16-2016
To me the Ra material is a truthful distorted perspective. But then again, a perspective exists only through distortions so it being truthful is what matters most.
I don't think the mods censor discussions about channeling, maybe just pointing to the right sub-forums. They do more of filtering negative inter-user behaviors from what I saw.
RE: My apologies... - Spaced - 05-16-2016
I'd be interested in reading this article if you can find it again. I can't remember any admins named Adrian in the time I've been here.
I personally think you should read the Law of One books and form your own opinion before dismissing them. Or not. Do whatever you feel is right.
RE: My apologies... - YinYang - 05-16-2016
Hi seph, if you read the Wanderer's handbook, then you'll basically have a good idea of the way L/L Research approaches their "mission", so to speak. Carla always said if you find value in the material, wonderful, and if its not for you, feel free to move on to something else that will suit you better. Carla considered dogma and doctrine the deadly enemies of faith, and there's fortunately no authoritarianism or zealotry here, just people who love the material, and consider it a valuable helping hand in their spiritual evolution.
RE: My apologies... - Jade - 05-16-2016
Hey Seph,
Is this the article?
http://thewayofbalance.blogspot.com/2015_10_01_archive.html
It appears to be talking about the Law of One Facebook group, which to my knowledge, is not officially associated with L/L Research in any way. For what it's worth, this is a common refrain in the Facebook group, but it's a delicate balance with something like 3,000+ people with spamming/advertising taken into account with the platform.
RE: My apologies... - Patrick - 05-16-2016
Yeah, it really seems to be the article in question.
I am quite glad to see that it is not related to this forum at all.
RE: My apologies... - Aion - 05-16-2016
Well, this is definitely a good way to get things out in to the open. Everybody has opinions. Lots of us here have differing opinions from the Ra Material itself and you'll find a lot of different interpretations. Personally, I view it as a transcription of a conversation. I believe that multiple entities influenced the creation of the conversation but it is ultimately a discussion between two (or three) entities whom are attempting to describe a philosophy.
I do not believe it is infallible and that there were cases where Carla's own mind, perhaps sometimes influenced or disrupted by other entities, likely gave some fair shape to the content, but I do also believe there is a genuine phenomenon of intelligent entities which exists in the universe and it is possible, in my mind, that beings could exist without chemical bodies as we have now. Rather, it is that I believe energy is the only intelligent thing, deriving its intelligence from an infinite potential for intelligence, and that infinite gradations of that energy are 'translated' in to beings by the perception of other beings. Intelligence interacting with itself.
I think Ra exists on their own as an entity, but I don't believe the conversation was without its hiccups. Do I believe in the core philosophy of unity? I'd say that it makes sense within a framework, but not if it is given to chaos because then it doesn't need to make sense. It is dangerous in some ways because it creates a lot of big ideas in the mind which can be difficult for many people to digest and many have had bad reactions in this way but it's hard to say whether or not that is because the material is a certain way or because those people are a certain way.
In conclusion I would invite you to question, question lots and thoroughly. Questions are great and made easier when there is no expectation of a certain answer. Philosophy is ultimately what the Law of One is about so there is a certain personal finesse that goes in to making use of any part of it I'd think.
Or maybe we're all loony, you never reallly know.
RE: My apologies... - seph7sevn - 05-17-2016
(05-16-2016, 05:32 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Hey Seph,
Is this the article?
http://thewayofbalance.blogspot.com/2015_10_01_archive.html
It appears to be talking about the Law of One Facebook group, which to my knowledge, is not officially associated with L/L Research in any way. For what it's worth, this is a common refrain in the Facebook group, but it's a delicate balance with something like 3,000+ people with spamming/advertising taken into account with the platform.
Yes, that is the article.
RE: My apologies... - seph7sevn - 05-17-2016
(05-16-2016, 04:57 PM)Spaced Wrote: I'd be interested in reading this article if you can find it again. I can't remember any admins named Adrian in the time I've been here.
I personally think you should read the Law of One books and form your own opinion before dismissing them. Or not. Do whatever you feel is right.
The admins real name in the article wasn't Adrian; I see and read that much. It was more like a chosen alias for that article.
RE: My apologies... - Aion - 05-17-2016
Quote:This treatise is a direct continuation of a discussion from the "Law of One" Facebook group, on the nature and the dangers of channeling. I brought the subject up in order to discuss it with the group, in an open and exploratory manner. But there was no discussion, that subject was not to be inquired into. The group could not open themselves up to the possibility that they did not know everything. They could not question the questionable nature of channeled material. Especially the group's administrators, one who directly stated that even if all other channeled material is incorrect, the "Law of One" is the one that is always correct and unquestionable. This of course was the spark that lit the fuse of divine guidance.
He says that it's the Facebook group and only mentions Bring4th once.
Quote:Adrian and the rest of Law of One community, please try to supersede your mental knee jerk reactions (Our dominant way to reacting to challenge. As the Architect in the second Matrix film said: "Denial is the most predictable of human responses". There will be many people who will read this and simply not be able to process what is being said to them, right away or even after some time. They will WANT TO cling to their safety net, they will deny.) of having to defend the very thing keeping you in check/place. Rise above the written word and begin to live by the living word. There are many beautiful people in this group, but all can do better, than being head-over-heals with Ra. Be head-over-heals with your own spirit and you will not need anything else.
I know many on Bring4th may try to disprove/discredit/defame me, and others outside of the Ra community who get a hold of this writing, in their own communities will try to disprove and ignore and quickly dismiss what I am saying, to uphold their realities (illusions). I have nothing against that. But we each reap the consequences of our choices. I am simply a messenger amongst many who have seen more than they bargained for and are attempting to warn other souls in the hope they may listen, awaken - have a second awakening, and throw out everything which they think will lead them somewhere good, but is merely a more sophisticated part of the same system of utter control and mental confusion/distraction. Throw out all the things which simply belong to yet another intermediate step on the ladder of evolution. Not the highest rung, by far, even though the may seem it from your point of view.
I can understand where he is coming from with his thoughts, I haven't had that issue with the moderators here and I consider myself to be pretty on the fringe, but I haven't participated in the Facebook group much. It is an understandable concern with any philosophical material.
RE: My apologies... - Night Owl - 05-17-2016
I don't know how the FB is but I think FB distorts everything. The less FB in my life, the more positively I see the world. People here just share ideas. I have yet to encounter someone who has forced me into believing something here. I think I've seen people struggling with evolving their own ideas though. People are more likely to try and expand perspectives rather than fixing truth as a single possibility. If we ever come to disagree I will respect you no matter what. Your perspective is unique and what is relevant to you may not be for me.
RE: My apologies... - seph7sevn - 05-17-2016
Thank you all for your responses and helping clarify things a bit.
I'll chill out on my fears and cynicism a bit here at Bring4th. Hell, what's the worst that can happen here? I get banned?
I know how things can go at online forums; but not this one in particular.And I didn't know that article that Jade posted a link to had to do with the Frackbook, er, I mean Facebook's Law of One forum, which isn't associated with Bring4th forum and L/L Research.
Because everybody sees things differently and has different perspectives, it's good NOT to throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak, when checking out new info or media about something.
And I am not on Facebook either. Never have been. And it's not surprising that they distort things; Mark Z and Facebook, inc. are sell-outs to the government and current powers-that-be that farm for peoples info they put online. Just part of our surveillance state we have today ^^
RE: My apologies... - YinYang - 05-17-2016
Your concerns are not unwarranted. Some very destructive cults have formed around channeled texts, it was one of Jacques Valee's main areas if interest, which he talks about in his book Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults. And of course the all time classic When Prophecy Fails. Unfortunately contact is made with "goodies" and "badies", and you'll have to ascertain for yourself in which group Ra falls, when you read the material, though it's quite obvious.
RE: My apologies... - seph7sevn - 05-17-2016
(05-17-2016, 03:17 AM)YinYang Wrote: Your concerns are not unwarranted. Some very destructive cults have formed around channeled texts, it was one of Jacques Valee's main areas if interest, which he talks about in his book Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults. And of course the all time classic When Prophecy Fails.
The Cassiopaeans (or however you spell it) are another example of people involved in a metaphysical group who channeled entities for their material; they got off to a good start and were doing alright with it for a while; but in 2001-2002, things started to slowly take turns for the worse for the group. Things were going downhill. People became more suspicious and paranoid of each other, associates of the group and towards others outside the group. People were getting paranoid about who might be an "organic portal" and so on and on.
You can read what one former member of the Cassiopaean Group had to say about it at the following link:
http://montalk.net/montalkvsqfs.htm
RE: My apologies... - YinYang - 05-17-2016
Yes, I'm aware of this crowd. They are a good example of a group who is using the Ra material as a tool for separation. It would be wise to give them a very wide berth.
RE: My apologies... - Reaper - 05-17-2016
Read the material. Participate on the forum. Decide for yourself what is what.
RE: My apologies... - I am Shayne - 05-17-2016
(05-17-2016, 05:26 AM)Reaper Wrote: Read the material. Participate on the forum. Decide for yourself what is what.
Bingo
RE: My apologies... - Bring4th_Austin - 05-17-2016
(05-16-2016, 09:44 PM)Patrick Wrote: Yeah, it really seems to be the article in question.
I am quite glad to see that it is not related to this forum at all.
Me too
I hope that you find your concerns unfounded, seph.