Quote:68.4 ▶ Questioner: The primary reason that we considered it important to have this session today is that I might not be around for a while and I had a pressing question about what happened Sunday night when, apparently, the instrument was slipping into a trance state during one of the normal meetings, and I would like to question you on this. Can you give me information about what happened?
Ra: I am Ra. We can.

68.5 ▶ Questioner: Would you tell me what happened in that case?
Ra: I am Ra. We have instructed this instrument to refrain from calling us unless it is within this set of circumscribed circumstances. In the event of which you speak this instrument was asked a question which pertained to what you have been calling The Ra Material. This instrument was providing the voice for our brothers and sisters of the wisdom density known to you as Latwii.

This instrument thought to itself, “I do not know this answer. I wish I were channeling Ra.” The ones of Latwii found themselves in the position of being approached by the Orion entity which seeks to be of service in its own way. The instrument began to prepare for Ra contact. Latwii knew that if this was completed the Orion entity would have an opportunity which Latwii wished to avoid.

It is fortunate for this instrument, firstly, that Latwii is of fifth density and able to deal with that particular vibratory complex which the Orion entity was manifesting and, secondly, that there were those in the support group at that time which sent great amounts of support to the instrument in this crux. Thus what occurred was the ones of Latwii never let go of this instrument although this came perilously close to breaking the Way of Confusion. It continued to hold its connection with the mind/body/spirit complex of the instrument and to generate information through it even as the instrument began to slip out of its physical vehicle.

The act of continued communication caused the entity to be unable to grasp the instrument’s mind/body/spirit complex and after but a small measure of your space/time Latwii recovered the now completely amalgamated instrument and gave it continued communication to steady it during the transition back into integration.

* This question and answer refer to the L/L Research Sunday night meditation of August 16, 1981.

68.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?
Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is ongoing, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well.

68.7 ▶ Questioner: Then you are saying that if this fifth-density negative entity is successful in its attempts to transfer the mind/body/spirit complex when that complex is in what we call the trance state to negatively polarized time/space, then the higher self has no choice but to allow incarnation in negatively polarized space/time? Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self could allow the mind/body/spirit complex to remain in time/space. However, it is unlikely that the Higher Self would do so indefinitely due to its distortion towards the belief that the function of the mind/body/spirit complex is to experience and learn from other-selves thus experiencing the Creator. A highly polarized positive mind/body/spirit complex surrounded by negative portions of space/time* will experience only darkness, for like the magnet, there is no, shall we say, likeness. Thus a barrier is automatically formed.

* Don’s follow-up question and Ra’s answer to it (68.8) appear to indicate that Ra meant to say time/space here.

68.8 ▶ Questioner: Let me be sure that I understand you. Is that darkness experienced in negative space/time or in negative time/space?
Ra: I am Ra. Negative time/space.

68.9 ▶ Questioner: Incarnation in negative space/time then in a condition like that would result in incarnation into which density level for, let us take as an example, the instrument?
Ra: I am Ra. The answer to this query violates the first distortion.

68.10 ▶ Questioner: OK, let’s not take the instrument then as an example. Let’s say that this was done to a Wanderer of sixth density. If this answer violates the first distortion, don’t answer. But let’s say a sixth-density Wanderer had this happen, and went into negative time/space. Would that be a sixth-density negative time/space, and would he incarnate into sixth-density negative space/time?
Ra: I am Ra. Your assumption is correct. The strength of the polarization would be matched as far as possible. In some positive sixth-density Wanderers the approximation would not quite be complete due to the paucity of negative sixth-density energy fields of the equivalent strength.

68.11 ▶ Questioner: Is the reason that this could be done the fact that the Wanderer’s mind/body/spirit complex extracted in what we call the trance state, leaving the third-density physical, in this state the Wanderer does not have the full capability or capability to magically defend itself? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. In the case of this instrument, this is correct. This is also correct when applied almost without exception to those instruments working in trance which have not consciously experienced magical training in time/space in the, shall we say, present incarnation. The entities of your density capable of magical defense in this situation are extremely rare.

68.12 ▶ Questioner: It would seem to me that since I can’t imagine anything anything worse, shall I say, than this particular result, other than possibly the total disintegration of the mind/body/spirit complex due to nuclear bomb, that it would be very advisable to seek out the magical training and defense for this situation. Could Ra and would Ra instruct in this type of magical defense?
Ra: I am Ra. This request lies beyond the first distortion. The entity seeking magical ability must do so in a certain manner. We may give instructions of a general nature. This we have already done. The instrument has begun the process of balancing the self. This is a lengthy process.

To take an entity before it is ready and offer it the scepter of magical power is to infringe in an unbalanced manner. We may suggest with some asperity that the instrument never call upon Ra in any way while unprotected by the configuration which is at this time present.

(09-18-2016, 09:15 PM)Patrick Wrote:  
If I remember correctly, Carla was seeing the negative entity as a very beautiful entity that was full of light.  The entity was asking Carla to follow it and Carla was going to do it by choice, out of her own free will.  Her higher self would not prevent such a choice, even if Carla was being lured, in a sense, and not knowing the full impact of that choice.

Once in negative time/space, by her own choice, it seems the higher self cannot move the entity back.  Your question is a very good one.  Maybe it could also be phrased in the following way.

Why can't the higher self move a part of itself into another vibratory domain?
 

(09-18-2016, 09:19 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: negative time/space or space/time is like a gravity well. Once in it, it sucks you in.

(09-18-2016, 08:01 PM)sjel Wrote: When she slipped and almost got caught up into negative time/space, why the heck would she have needed to go through millions of years of negative space/time experience to balance out ONE MOMENT?!?!

(09-18-2016, 09:36 PM)anagogy Wrote: Keep in mind it is an extremely rare circumstance (it has only occurred to one wanderer according to Ra in the last 75,000 years).

(09-18-2016, 09:36 PM)anagogy Wrote: How many people in our physical world have been lured into life styles, beliefs, and other circumstances because some charismatic individual convinced them of their "positive nature" only to gradually lead them to destructive and negatively oriented lives? The realm of time/space is no different to an ignorant, and veiled point of consciousness. You can end up in the wrong neighborhood with the wrong people. But it takes time for a being to be "detuned", which of course is in ample supply in time/space. It is a wholly free will event.

(09-18-2016, 09:47 PM)sjel Wrote: I wonder how rare it is among wanderers who are capable of falling into a trance state. That qualification probably drops the number of possible wanderers to a small fraction of the total wanderers. No wanderer is going to get that opportunity to choose negative if he's living this life unaware of who he is, right?? and most wanderers are unaware, i think that's what Ra said.

(09-18-2016, 09:47 PM)sjel Wrote: you said "gradually lead them." but Carla's experience, from start to finish, was a few minutes, less. so does that mean that Carla, in the interaction with the negative entity, would have been in an essentially timeless state? so really it wasn't "a few minutes' worth" of mistaken choice? it would be a timeless choice.

(09-19-2016, 04:49 AM)Billy Wrote: This and the part about a mind/body/spirit complex dissolving due to nuclear power have never sat well with me.  They are just unthinkable for me.  I know that everything is experience but I draw the line at the Creator losing a portion of itself as well this whole being sucked into negative time/space business.  No thank you.

Quote:26.25 Questioner: But then, in general then you’re saying that if we— you will allow earth, the population of this planet to have a nuclear war and many deaths from that war, but you will be able to create a condition where these deaths will be no more traumatic, shall I say, with respect to entrance to the heaven world or astral world or whatever we call it than death by a bullet or normal means of dying of old age. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. It would be more traumatic. However, the entity would remain an entity.

Quote:26.28 Questioner: I was thinking specifically if an entity was in Hiroshima or Nagasaki at that time and he was reaching harvestability at the end of our cycle, would this death by nuclear bomb possibly create such trauma that he would not be able to be harvestable at the end of the cycle? That was specifically my question.

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. Once the healing has taken place the harvest may go forth unimpeded. However, the entire planet will undergo healing for this action, no distinction being made betwixt victim and aggressor, this due to damage done to the planet.

(09-19-2016, 04:34 AM)Ashim Wrote: Depending on the vibrational discrepancies of the entities involved the "millions on years" could be perceived by the positive entity as mere seconds once returning to the 3rd density physical body consciousness.

(09-19-2016, 05:30 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(09-19-2016, 04:49 AM)Billy Wrote: This and the part about a mind/body/spirit complex dissolving due to nuclear power have never sat well with me.  They are just unthinkable for me.  I know that everything is experience but I draw the line at the Creator losing a portion of itself as well this whole being sucked into negative time/space business.  No thank you.

You know, I've seen people mention the whole thing about being "disintegrated" by a nuclear bomb, but I can't find anywhere in the materials that Ra specifically said that.  Is it something Seth said, or something like that?  A couple comments Ra made in Session 26 would seem to suggest that while it's an extreme form of death which would require much healing, a nuclear blast still wouldn't cause anything to be lost or the destruction of an entity\spirit:

Quote:26.21 Questioner: Then what you did, I am assuming, then, is to create an air of mystery with the UFO phenomena, as we call it, and then by telepathy send many messages that could be either accepted or rejected under the— following, of course, the Law of One so that the population would start thinking seriously about the consequences of what they were doing. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. There are other services we may perform. Firstly, the integration of souls or spirits, if you will, in the event of use of these nuclear devices in your space/time continuum. This the Confederation has already done.

26.22 Questioner: I don’t fully understand what you mean by that. Could you expand a little bit?

Ra: I am Ra. The use of intelligent energy transforming matter into energy is of such a nature among these weapons that the transition from space/time third density to time/space third density or what you may call your heaven worlds is interrupted in many cases.

Therefore, we are offering ourselves as those who continue the integration of soul or spirit complex during transition from space/time to time/space.

26.23 Questioner: Could you please give me an example from, let us say, Hiroshima or Nagasaki of how this is done?

Ra: I am Ra. Those who were destroyed, not by radiation, but by the trauma of the energy release, found not only the body/mind/spirit complex made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration. This would be the loss to the Creator of part of the Creator and thus we were given permission, not to stop the events, but to ensure the survival of the, shall we say, disembodied mind/body/spirit complex. This we did in those events which you mention, losing no spirit or portion or holograph or microcosm of the macrocosmic Infinite One.

Quote:Given permission from who exactly?  Sounds strange that Ra would need to ask for permission to prevent a m/b/s complex from becoming so disarranged that it can't be 'put back together'.  It almost sounds like there would be cases where such a thing would be permissible, although maybe I have misunderstood. 

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Ra: This Council is located in the octave, or eight[h] dimension, of the planet Saturn, taking its place in an area which you understand in third-dimensional terms as the rings.

(09-19-2016, 04:49 AM)Billy Wrote: This and the part about a mind/body/spirit complex dissolving due to nuclear power have never sat well with me.  They are just unthinkable for me.  I know that everything is experience but I draw the line at the Creator losing a portion of itself as well this whole being sucked into negative time/space business.  No thank you.

(09-19-2016, 09:40 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Too much fun to be had in the upper densities, and not ready to lose my identity.

Quote:RA: This particular instrument was not trained, nor did it study, nor worked it at any discipline in order to contact Ra. We were able, as we have said many times, to contact this group using this instrument because of the purity of this instrument’s dedication to the service of the One Infinite Creator and also because of the great amount of harmony and acceptance enjoyed each by each within the group; this situation making it possible for the support group to function without significant distortion. 94.9

Quote:Jim: As I was recording Session #68 from the Ra contact this evening [for the audiobook project] I became very emotional at the end. This was the session where Don questioned Ra about Carla's nearly going into trance during a Sunday night meditation and nearly being led away by our negative polarity friend. The tears flowed powerfully because this session reminded me once again how much of a spiritual warrior Carla was in being willing to do whatever was necessary to be of service to others. She was that way all her life and this session underlined her unbreakable resolve to give of herself until all was given. - The Camelot Journal, June 8, 2015

(09-19-2016, 06:37 AM)Dog Star Wrote: imo one can lose part of one self by such an event (memory wise), but the awareness itself is eternal and belongs to the One and All