(10-02-2016, 12:43 AM)Chandlersdad Wrote: Forgive me if this is the wrong place for this, but does Ra ever state what happens to 2D entities after death? What happens to pets who were extremely intelligent and filled with love AND received tremendous love in return every day. No, I am not talking about being incarnated as a bottom basement level human. I mean, did Ra ever say where such animals go immediately after death?

My dog Chandler of 9 years is gone. The Vet found a cancerous tumor the side of a melon on the spleen that was pushing against the other organs. We could not get Chandler to eat or drink for 2 days, so he was becoming dehydrated. The options would have meant pain and misery for him only to extend his life perhaps 6 months or less. So we decided to let him go before he became totally dehydrated and starving. Plus the doctor feared that the tumor could burst at any moment within him which would be a horrible experience for him to go through. So we let him go. I was with him.
Wes is deeply emotional, so I had to postpone my grief to deal with his hysterics. Having worked with a hospice as a volunteer for years, I have learned to stay relatively calm when circumstances demand it, putting my emotion on the back burner for when I can let lose.

We both did at home since reminders of Chandler are everywhere. I comfort Wes and he comforts me. But I wish there was someone here to comfort both of us. But we've never had that.
I am in fear of hyperventilating right now, and fainting. I know I have to dial it down. I took a Clonazepam pill for anxiety. I don't know if a glass of wine is a good or bad idea. I need to just breath deeply in and out. Plus, I worry about Wes because he has Parkinsons' Disease, and cannot afford to let his body become unbalanced. So I have been reminding him to dial it back for the sake of his body. He is lying down. When I am anxious or blue, I become very cold. So I am wearing 2 coats right now and my feet are freezing. It is probably around 80 degrees outside.

I wish some of you truly kind folks were closer by. Thank you for letting me share this. Chandler slept next to me every night. Tonight is going to be very hard.

Infinite Unity Wrote:I do not agree with the expectation of every newly 3d entity is non-likable.

Quote:This is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information, that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity.

Why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the One Creator? This is the message we bring. Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness.

Quote:30.13 Questioner: I was wondering if the male cat, Gandalf, has benefited by that mechanism in some way or by other mechanisms in increasing spiritual potential or understanding.

Ra: I am Ra. We examine this information and find it harmless. The second-density entity, sound vibration Gandalf, is a rare sample of its species due first to previous individualization, secondly due to a great amount of investment in this particular life experience. This is the greatest catalyst in this entity’s progress. It is very unusual, as we have said. However, the experiences of bisexual reproduction which were of the nature of the entity Gandalf were to a small extent of spiritual benefit due to an unusual relationship with another entity, this also what you call a cat. This entity also being of an unusually third-density orientation or investment from previous life experiences. [the other cat] Thus the formation of what could be seen to be recognizably love did exist in this relationship.

Quote:104.10 Questioner: I feel very bad about the condition of the cat and really would like to help it. Can Ra suggest anything that we can do to help out Gandalf?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

104.11 Questioner: What would that be?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we would suggest that possibility/probability vortices include those in which the entity known as Gandalf has a lengthier incarnation. Secondly, we would suggest that this entity goes to a graduation if it desires. Otherwise, it may choose to reincarnate to be with those companions it has loved. Thirdly, the entity known to you as Betty has the means of making the entity more distorted towards comfort/discomfort.

(10-02-2016, 10:54 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Hi Chandlersdad. You will always be Chandler's dad. The hardest day of my life was 2 and a half years ago when we had to put our German shepherd down. She was only 4. I understand your deep pain. I am so sorry.

Here is what the Ra material says about what you have asked, in my interpretation though others have disagreed. They asked quite a bit about their cat, Gandalf. Ra says that Gandalf was individualized from a previous incarnation, and was able to learn spiritual lessons about love in his current incarnation.

Quote:30.13 Questioner: I was wondering if the male cat, Gandalf, has benefited by that mechanism in some way or by other mechanisms in increasing spiritual potential or understanding.

Ra: I am Ra. We examine this information and find it harmless. The second-density entity, sound vibration Gandalf, is a rare sample of its species due first to previous individualization, secondly due to a great amount of investment in this particular life experience. This is the greatest catalyst in this entity’s progress. It is very unusual, as we have said. However, the experiences of bisexual reproduction which were of the nature of the entity Gandalf were to a small extent of spiritual benefit due to an unusual relationship with another entity, this also what you call a cat. This entity also being of an unusually third-density orientation or investment from previous life experiences. [the other cat] Thus the formation of what could be seen to be recognizably love did exist in this relationship.

To me, this implies that Gandalf is a mind/body/spirit complex within a cat body.

What this also very clearly implies was that Gandalf reincarnated into another cat form to be with its beloved owners again. I've had this experience with my pets and have had clear dreams about it.

Here Ra says that upon Gandalf's death, Gandalf could choose to harvest to the next density or again choose to incarnate as a cat.

Quote:104.10 Questioner: I feel very bad about the condition of the cat and really would like to help it. Can Ra suggest anything that we can do to help out Gandalf?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

104.11 Questioner: What would that be?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we would suggest that possibility/probability vortices include those in which the entity known as Gandalf has a lengthier incarnation. Secondly, we would suggest that this entity goes to a graduation if it desires. Otherwise, it may choose to reincarnate to be with those companions it has loved. Thirdly, the entity known to you as Betty has the means of making the entity more distorted towards comfort/discomfort.

Whether or not your dog was harvestable is not something I can judge, but I do lean towards a bias of seeing the awareness of animals. Even if he is harvestable, he can still choose to come back and be with you - and likely will by my guess, unless you communicate with him a strong desire to see him move on. A little blip of 9 years as a spoiled and beloved pet is hardly enough to hold one back in their spiritual journey - and I firmly believe that a mind/body/spirit complex can inhabit a 2d body and begin to learn the lessons of love.

I also enjoy entertaining the thought that as our pets ascend the densities, and we are a few steps ahead of them, that we will be/are their guides. This has also helped smooth a lot of distortions of judgement within me. I've thought to myself, when watching the appallingly ignorant behavior of another, that what if that was just my sweet little shih tzu Butters fumbling around in one of his first human incarnations? This thought turns irritation to joy right quick!!

I hope you find some comfort soon. My go-to suggestion upon the death of a pet is to encourage someone to go to a shelter and adopt a new one (save a life after watching one be taken), but I also understand that the grieving process is very important. It was two years after Dexter died before we even began talking about getting another dog ... but as soon as we did, one literally showed up on our doorstep. A dog just about two years old....

(10-02-2016, 10:00 AM)YinYang Wrote:

Infinite Unity Wrote:I do not agree with the expectation of every newly 3d entity is non-likable.

That was actually just an attempt to bring a little humour and lightheartedness into the situation. This written medium is not very expressive.

(10-02-2016, 10:15 AM)YinYang Wrote: I am an aperture for the Creator, to glimpse a unique perspective and experience for the Creator, and so is every other living being on this planet.

Quote:This is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information, that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity.

Why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the One Creator? This is the message we bring. Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness.

When I blow out my last breath in this physical vehicle, I remain an aperture for the Creator in the next experience without skipping a beat.

Never hold on, always let go, that's freedom.

(10-02-2016, 03:12 PM)Chandlersdad Wrote: I would hope that Chandler does not attempt to return to be with us. I am almost 65 and Wes is almost 68.  I am not sure how long we will be in 3D. When we lost our first dog, when she was only 5 years old (a Black Widow spider bit her and she went into shock and died)., we went and got a rescued dog. This helped alleviate the grief a great deal because suddenly we had this very young exuberant entity living with us who demands that we play and cuddle.  My only concern about doing this again is our ages. But time will tell.

(10-02-2016, 03:12 PM)Chandlersdad Wrote: we went and got a rescued dog. This helped alleviate the grief a great deal because suddenly we had this very young exuberant entity living with us who demands that we play and cuddle.  My only concern about doing this again is our ages. But time will tell.

(10-02-2016, 03:12 PM)Chandlersdad Wrote: I do wonder at the innate consciousness of a 2D pet after death. How can they conceptualize the choice of being a 2D again versus a 3D. Does a 2D entity in the astral plane suddenly possess this kind of intelligence? Afterall, I thought that lower level humans, e.g., 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 may have no hand in their actual incarnations. So how much input would a dog or cat have?