(11-28-2016, 11:37 AM)Infinite Wrote: Hi. According every source that I researched  about this theme the information is the same. This Logos was the creator of the "experimentation system" duality and freewill. This it happended million of years ago. Lucifer tried create a new universe and become the Creator. He tried make this through a experiment. But it was a big failure and a lot of planets was destroyed. In contrast a lot of galaxies was created (big bang) and a new level of vibration and consciousness borned. The lower dimensions did not exist before this big cosmic event that known as "Lucifer's Rebillion". The experimentation of reality changed. The unity of the consciousness was divided, broken in two sides. This system was implemented in this planet thousands years ago (the fall of adamic race). So, I belive that STO/STS is the same duality and freewill choices. What's your opinion?

Peace, love and light.

(11-28-2016, 11:37 AM)Infinite Wrote: Hi. According every source that I researched  about this theme the information is the same. This Logos was the creator of the "experimentation system" duality and freewill. This it happended million of years ago. Lucifer tried create a new universe and become the Creator. He tried make this through a experiment. But it was a big failure and a lot of planets was destroyed. In contrast a lot of galaxies was created (big bang) and a new level of vibration and consciousness borned. The lower dimensions did not exist before this big cosmic event that known as "Lucifer's Rebillion". The experimentation of reality changed. The unity of the consciousness was divided, broken in two sides. This system was implemented in this planet thousands years ago (the fall of adamic race). So, I belive that STO/STS is the same duality and freewill choices. What's your opinion?

Peace, love and light.

Quote:Questioner: Would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, positive polarity. There was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function of only the positive polarization evolving from the original creation of our sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third-density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.
Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.
Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

(11-30-2016, 07:15 PM)Infinite Wrote: But Ra talked about Lucifer (in a very similar concept of the esoteric traditions):

Quote:Questioner: Would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, positive polarity. There was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function of only the positive polarization evolving from the original creation of our sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third-density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.
Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.
Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

Peace, love and light.

(12-01-2016, 02:11 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: It would be interesting to see how your original description in the OP would fit with Ra's description of how the sub-Logoi landed on using the veil and how it is implemented, if you do feel they are compatible.

(12-01-2016, 02:11 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I really see this as being metaphorical. Ra is using Biblical mythology here: the term "Edenic," and referring to "the knowledge of good and evil" (from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil), along with the mention of Lucifer. If we are to interpret this passage as referring to a literal Lucifer who offered these conditions, one would have to logically interpret the rest of the Biblical metaphorical terminology as literal - there was a literal Garden of Eden on Earth in which the two original humans, Adam and Eve, lived in harmonious conditions until eating literal fruit from a literal tree. And Lucifer was literally as he was described in the Bible. To say that Lucifer is as you described in the OP is already to interpret Lucifer as described in the Bible as a metaphor, so I think what we're doing is figuring out what interpretation of that metaphor makes more sense or fits best with the Law of One.

Ra's entire use of the Lucifer metaphor is couched in a less metaphorical description of how the Logoi have progressed through a series of experiments which then landed on the veil offering the ability to manifest the two polarities. They even talk about Logoi actively choosing to enact the "free will character," which is the implementation of the veil and the ability to polarize on the negative path.

It would be interesting to see how your original description in the OP would fit with Ra's description of how the sub-Logoi landed on using the veil and how it is implemented, if you do feel they are compatible.

(12-01-2016, 08:23 PM)Minyatur Wrote: In the end everything is yourself.

Lucifer is an archetype of which the root is well termed as "the morning star".

Who was the initial Lucifer? The morning star of this Creation.

(12-01-2016, 11:08 PM)Kaaron Wrote:

(12-01-2016, 08:23 PM)Minyatur Wrote: In the end everything is yourself.

Lucifer is an archetype of which the root is well termed as "the morning star".

Who was the initial Lucifer? The morning star of this Creation.

What if Ra is Lucifer?
Venus is the morning star.
Ra brought knowledge that Yahweh didn't reveal to his creation.
By asserting that the negative path is part of the all, would in and of itself put it at odds with mainstream Christianity.

Maybe the powers that be, demonized Ra.

(12-01-2016, 06:05 PM)Infinite Wrote:

(12-01-2016, 02:11 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I really see this as being metaphorical. Ra is using Biblical mythology here: the term "Edenic," and referring to "the knowledge of good and evil" (from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil), along with the mention of Lucifer. If we are to interpret this passage as referring to a literal Lucifer who offered these conditions, one would have to logically interpret the rest of the Biblical metaphorical terminology as literal - there was a literal Garden of Eden on Earth in which the two original humans, Adam and Eve, lived in harmonious conditions until eating literal fruit from a literal tree. And Lucifer was literally as he was described in the Bible. To say that Lucifer is as you described in the OP is already to interpret Lucifer as described in the Bible as a metaphor, so I think what we're doing is figuring out what interpretation of that metaphor makes more sense or fits best with the Law of One.

Ra's entire use of the Lucifer metaphor is couched in a less metaphorical description of how the Logoi have progressed through a series of experiments which then landed on the veil offering the ability to manifest the two polarities. They even talk about Logoi actively choosing to enact the "free will character," which is the implementation of the veil and the ability to polarize on the negative path.

It would be interesting to see how your original description in the OP would fit with Ra's description of how the sub-Logoi landed on using the veil and how it is implemented, if you do feel they are compatible.

Thanks for you reply. I respect absolutely. Yes, it's possible see this like a metaphore. But the word "Logos" give a different mean to these words. Ra could spoken "entity" or "character" but he used word "Logos". I don't see metaphore in this passage but a example. And about Lucifer and the Edenic Garden. In a lot of sources the information it's similar:

- The Garden of Eden was a etheric place.
- Adam and Eva was not a pair but a race. The adamic race.
- They was living in the unity of consciousness.
- Lucifer come and implemented the freewill and duality "experimentation system". The man "falled", was divided in women and men (the adamic race was androgine).
- The tree of knowledge of good and evil it's the knowledge of polarity, good and evil, etc.
- The "fruit" was a portal to the lower dimensions.
- This "fall" happended to accelerat the consciousness evolution.

Peace, love and light.

(12-01-2016, 02:34 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(12-01-2016, 02:11 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: It would be interesting to see how your original description in the OP would fit with Ra's description of how the sub-Logoi landed on using the veil and how it is implemented, if you do feel they are compatible.

Heh, this sort of works with my own personal symbolic interpretation of Genesis:  That the Original Sin wasn't eating the apple, it was the lie.  First the snake lies to Eve, then Eve lies to Adam, and Adam lies to God.  The sin was the denial of the reality of God's Creation, which wasn't possible until the Snake/Lucifer introduced reality-negation into the Earthly realm.  And likewise, one could say that the veil is the enabler of lies, since it's only by being cut off from the divine that we're truly capable of thinking up contrary ideas.

But, again, that's just poetic.  Not literal.  

Quote:     I AM LUCIFER. This is my story. My name has been sprinkled throughout the tales and reports of this
investigation. My name is powerful and still rouses many mixed feelings. I am powerful because I am what my
name says: Lucifer, the light-bearing one. Ancient am I, as ancient as the beginingless matrix from which I am
sprung.
    In the origins of everything, it was I who first became “I” and not “we.” For in and through me was first
embodied the force of evolving into the light. From within that indescribable moment of the primal RANG – the
disharmony that creates harmony – did I arouse myself into being. From the start I was light, and before
consciousness knew, I was already in the dimension of light, what is now known as the sixth dimension.
    As much as I was light, I was ego, the force that maintains power in its separateness. It was the
combination of sixth-dimensional light and third-dimensional ego that made my moves so contradictory and my
actions easy to misperceive. Since there is neither good nor bad in any absolute sense, the effects of all of my
actions have been ultimately creative, furthering the cause of evolution toward the light..

(12-04-2016, 07:27 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: What is your theory on why the Elite worship satan?

(12-04-2016, 07:27 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: What is your theory on why the Elite worship satan?

(12-04-2016, 07:27 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: What is your theory on why the Elite worship satan?

(12-06-2016, 07:20 AM)im_not_me Wrote: About a year ago I accidentally *out of curiousity* channnelled Lucifer once during a "death meditation"  and he said "What? I created Earth for all my friends" and it scared me, even on an unconscious level and I immediately ended the session and avoided death meditations ever since.

(12-04-2016, 09:48 PM)Infinite Wrote:

(12-04-2016, 07:27 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: What is your theory on why the Elite worship satan?

According everything that I studied: the "Elite" are Luciferians. The Logos Lucifer projects this reality and yours Wanderers produce negative polarity in this artificial Matrix. Satan is a ambiguous term: psychologically it's the ego or the evil side in our conscious. In a literally point of view is an entity that was envolved in Lucifer's Rebellion and came to the Earth like a general. Lucifer and Satan is not the same entity and the confusion come from wrong interpretations of the Bible. There are yet  thought-forms created from thousands years of beliefs and negative blood rituals in name of the big Devil.

Peace, love and light.

(12-07-2016, 04:58 PM)tamaryn Wrote: You all claim to be creator, but refuse to face base energies?

Quote:Since the foundation of the Earth in this universe, our Almighty Father launched your Angular Stone, divided in times (dimensions), from the center to the face of the planet. Were six divisions and one PLANETARY FACE in each space-time dimension. This stone appeared in four angles, being one for each time. For disobedience of the human beings and it is understood beings like being much more than men of today, these men that I reffered lived in other worlds and in other galaxies, in remote times and no longer remebered.

Due to a complete inversion of intrinsic divine values in each being, the main Universal Laws was violated and the SENSE OF UNITY was broken. This SENSE OF UNITY refers to a energetic reciprocity existent between the created beings and the Supreme Divinity.  

Having occurred something, that in the terrestrial language can be called of rebellion, this moviment, commaded for some powerful Beings, reached to reach a total of 11 solar systens and a total of 606 inhabited worlds. It's very hard to explain this sad Cosmic event in the human language, mainly for your little mental reach, but I can say that the energetic inversion reached so severe saturation which even provoked a violent rupture in Sidereal balance. This gigantic explosion it's knowledge in the scientific means of your world like BIG BANG. However, due to the measures taken by the Higher Hierarchies, this incident not affected innocents, limiting to those involved in the rebellion.

So, many worlds was destroyed and all the powder or cosmic dust, all the clods and all the rocks left over from the extremely violent energy discharge passed to gyrate in a constant dinanism promoting immediately the begin of the formation of other galaxies, stars and planets, that from this fact passed to be divided into different skies or interconnected dimensions, including the Terrestrial Sun and the planets around it.

All the Beings involved with the leadership of the rebellion, conspiring against the greater representative of the Cosmic Christ, the Archangel Michael, had become victims of a big blow and listened hateful beings, involved yourself of darkness that are the shrouds of illusion, created the death and fell. The words "to decay" means to embark for inner of yourself, divide yourself. They tried to divide the indivisible and ended up dividing yourselves.

Please, don't think that this happended with other Beings, not, it was not that, the majority of the human beings that live in the Earth, both incarnated and disincarnated, was the protagonists of this story and that's why they be here trying recovery the lost Paradise, the Garden of Eden.

Like I already say once, the man nothing knows about yourself, don't know the world when him live and much less why suffers so much. The current consciousness human is so limited that your perceptual field is limited almost that to your itself particular world. It's so much the lack of consciousness of Unity that it lost almost totally the respect for the anothers lifeforms.

After of had lost the first Paradise that was Heavenly, the human beings were placed in the second Paradise, this time terrestrial and this was millions years ago. The human being that until then was male and female, or spiritually androgynous, was placed in this Paradise and then was divided again, but now in two parts and from here passed to exist in two spiritual potencies, one called MAN and another called WOMEN.

Second the Spiritual Laws created for our Creator Father, both would have to have childrens, however, these childrens don't should born simply for participation of the human intelect, that was mentally and physically contamined, once that had been cheated for creatures of great power, hate and wisdom to the point of To make themselves appear with sons of HIGHER LOVE.

Therefor said the Creator to this couple: Don't feed the energies coming of the fruits of this garden. The center of this garden was the passage or abyss that would take to dimensions planes or space-times lowers (second and first dimension), inhabited for materialized creatures second the density of the energetic antipotency called in the Earth for HATE. The big abyss is the empty Galaxyal space that separate the space-time dimensions existent in the Universal System.

For this intermediary space climbed and descended those creatures called biblically of DARK ANGELS, with knowledge and powers to fly in yours spaceships and spiritually continuing your ambitious invested in the try to conqueor of the Universal System, that is, of the materials and semimaterials worlds then existing. The first adamic race existed in a time when the Earth was semi physical and through your immense knowledge about the Mental System human, this evil angels looked to implant your domain through the other human part called WOMAN.  

Adam and Eva was not only a couple but millions. Like I said before, Adam and Eva represent what happended with Beings of many Sideral Systems inhabited for brother spirits, almost perfects in wisdom, pure and love.

(12-24-2016, 06:45 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: the biggest deception played on humanity is leading them to believe that good and evil originates from outside of themselves when it comes from within..

the devil made me do it...

sorry the alcohol made me do it..

the insert avoidance of self responsibility here, made me do it. this is how i define spiritual bypassing to which austin made a wonderful presentation on last homecoming.. this is bypassing. to say that the evil exists out there rather than as a possibility of choice within us.

the biggest dichotomy of the sts is division itself, the separation of one into two opposing sides rather than STO as seein the two sides as complimentary.

A high level of sto wisdom no longer sees devil, but sees expand and contract, feminine and masculine.. the expansive quality is to garner more information, depth of knowledge, and the contractive quality is there to understand, heal and cope.

to give away the idea that there is some all central evil entity lurking about does not fit into the paradigm of a  one infinite creator, since even if someone were named lucifer, embodied all these evil things, their core would still originate from the one infinite.

(12-04-2016, 08:08 PM)anagogy Wrote: A big part of negative polarization is the adept learning the fine art of sidestepping natural law (i.e. karma) by getting others to do their dirty work for them. This is why they go to such extraneous lengths to get others to enslave themselves by their own free will choices. They don't have to suffer the karmic backlash for it if another chooses it (i.e. it doesn't damage their polarity). They try to stay high enough on the totem pole to use their underlings as a sort of spiritual "meat shield".

(04-11-2017, 12:33 PM)Infinite Wrote: In my humble opinion karma can't be "transferred".