I want to state that by no means the post below is an attempt to spread or promote any  philosophies. I am just expressing my distortions towards "my" truth which everybody has (ALL). By no mean I am responsible on how the reader respond, I leave to interpretation of each individual to respond by any range of emotions they possess fear/love and I accept them very well  etc.

Quote:attempt to discuss, share, and examine this category of information—whether anecdotal or abstract—with the aim of understanding it in terms of spiritual evolution, polarity, self-knowing, and self-accepting

(08-01-2021, 11:04 AM)Diana Wrote:

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: Now to deepen the cut, Mother Theresa was also STS.

I was going to add this myself to illustrate my point, but I decided not to. I don't care about STO and STS as labels, but she was not the altruistic person she was made out to be in the media (the narrative likely driven by the [centuries-long corrupt] catholic church which made here a "saint"). Christopher Hitchens wrote a book on Mother Teresa deconstructing the myth around her.

Quote:They'll say, no one can see us
That we're estranged and all alone
They believe nothing can reach us
And pull us out of the boundless gloom
...

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: I never made any effort to know his story with any depth: So how can you be so sure of your beliefs if you make no effort to know (your heroes)  (his)story or any  sort of story at all in depth  ? And how can somebody else trust your words about it if you're so lazy regarding those type of things ?

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote:

Quote:...now if I wanted to really find out his story...

I guess that you thought of Gandhi as an STO and went out of your way to spread how enlightened he was. You even chastised people who thought the opposite because they didn't have proofs. I guess that you did all that on this very forum. Now because you made no effort you spread the very thing you despise, Lies.

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: From your position of power, basking in your intelligence (which you think you have a lot) rarely questioning yourself or your beliefs (which is pretty much selfish by the way).
When someone is wrong the humblest thing he/she can say is "I was wrong" or "You might be right, I'll search" not "I was lazy".

Is  this the light/laziness you are so proud of ?

Quote:Much too much work for me I'm afraid. :

 I should be the one talking like that honestly (LOL)

This is rhetoric, you are just protecting your ego which I understand, you are forgiven bro   . Being lazy show how much you care about other truth"s" much more than your own. And this is how the devil traps you. With your own laziness.

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: Hypocritical/Lazy/Egotistical/Ego-invested... that's a lot brother in dar*** you are a champion indeed, talented in the way of the  dar**** my affection for you is growing  

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: Now so far on this forum, the one named Aion (I think) has shown much more wisdom and maturity toward his/her path. The one named evolvingpheonix(I think) as shown an understanding of spirituality. Aside from those two  I might have  forgotten some that were indeed mature. But the rest of you lot have  just been walking contradictions, ego invested, and hypocritical over and over again.
See people this is wealth of knowledge/wisdom vs laziness.

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: Now to deepen the cut, Mother Theresa was also STS.

Quote:People seem to have a tendency to want heroes, so they look outside of themselves to find them.

Me too I have my villains but I am not invested in their lies. I carefully do my work to avoid "their" deception. And if you look towards something outside of yourself that just means that ALL isn't ONE for if ALL was ONE you'll just had to look inside. Having a hero is saying "he isn't me" he might resemble me but "he isn't me" this is the first stage of fanatism/adoration.

Quote:attempt to discuss, share, and examine this category of information—whether anecdotal or abstract—with the aim of understanding it in terms of spiritual evolution, polarity, self-knowing, and self-accepting

Quote:My friend, I am a very good liar and I have no issues with lies. They are very useful for the positive walker in this world. Defense is still a thing in 3d and so is defensive lying. Example: USA border agents can ask Canadians if we ever took cannabis. If you say yes you are bared from entering the USA for life. As you would say, LoL...

Quote:USA border agents can ask Canadians if we ever took cannabis. If you say yes you are bared from entering the USA for life. As you would say, LoL...

Quote:But I always try to do as Ra suggested: "...the honor of propinquity to light carries with it the Law of Responsibility [...] support, be harmonious, share in love, joy, and thanksgiving, but find love within truth, for each instrument benefits from this support more than from the total admiration which overcomes discrimination" ~ Ra 101.8

Quote:In the meantime, I'll just say that I am often wrong and I have no issues saying it.

Quote:Oh yes, darkness is part of me. I remember well the pleasures of sexual power over others and the thrill of power from ending an incarnation (from eons ago, but still). These things are not rejected, they are well integrated and balanced inside of me. I am at peace and without judgment towards myself. There is no regret of the path traveled. I am truly thankful to the Universe for all of it.

Quote:they are well integrated and balanced inside of me

Quote:I am in the process of replaying the game now and I know of other pleasures and other powers.

Quote:My choice is not said, it is lived. Just being my true preference. No complexity to any of it.

Quote:I know even less about Mother Teresa than I did about Gandhi. But certainly, expecting anyone to be perfect can only result in frustrated expectations?

Quote:I gave myself fully to our greater will and I just let life happens to me.

Quote:I really like our little exchanges. It's great in highlighting things to ponder.

(08-01-2021, 03:08 PM)Desaad khaan Wrote: ...Nothing complex, you are an STS. Member on this forum have already suspected this, now you said it yourself (not me) you are good with lies.

Do you know what it takes to lie to the police ? Not only your lies are premeditated you even indulges(find pleasure) yourself in it.

(08-01-2021, 01:45 PM)Patrick Wrote: This is fun !  I'll listen to some more muse while I type this, shall I.

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: I never made any effort to know his story with any depth: So how can you be so sure of your beliefs if you make no effort to know (your heroes)  (his)story or any  sort of story at all in depth  ? And how can somebody else trust your words about it if you're so lazy regarding those type of things ?

I am not sure of my beliefs, that would be unwise indeed. But I would not go as far as saying Gandhi is one of my heroes. I would have known more about the persona otherwise. That said I am a lazy bastard and I have no issues with that. It's actually a good attribute to have for a computer programmer. Humm, regarding beliefs, there is one I am sure of, whether that is wise or not I don't really care when it comes to that belief. But it can't really be put into words. Words seems only to distort it.

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote:

Quote:...now if I wanted to really find out his story...

I guess that you thought of Gandhi as an STO and went out of your way to spread how enlightened he was. You even chastised people who thought the opposite because they didn't have proofs. I guess that you did all that on this very forum. Now because you made no effort you spread the very thing you despise, Lies.

Yes I did defend the idea of Gandhi on this very forum. But I hope there were no chastising involved. It's not really my thing.

My friend, I am a very good liar and I have no issues with lies. They are very useful for the positive walker in this world. Defense is still a thing in 3d and so is defensive lying. Example: USA border agents can ask Canadians if we ever took cannabis. If you say yes you are bared from entering the USA for life. As you would say, LoL...

But I always try to do as Ra suggested: "...the honor of propinquity to light carries with it the Law of Responsibility [...] support, be harmonious, share in love, joy, and thanksgiving, but find love within truth, for each instrument benefits from this support more than from the total admiration which overcomes discrimination" ~ Ra 101.8

Finding love within truth is a great blue-ray quest for the right-hand path. I am but a humble seeker on that road. Thankfully, we are not expected to succeed. Only the attempt are we expecting of ourselves (while here in 3d space/time).

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: From your position of power, basking in your intelligence (which you think you have a lot) rarely questioning yourself or your beliefs (which is pretty much selfish by the way).
When someone is wrong the humblest thing he/she can say is "I was wrong" or "You might be right, I'll search" not "I was lazy".

Is  this the light/laziness you are so proud of ?

Quote:Much too much work for me I'm afraid. :

 I should be the one talking like that honestly (LOL)

This is rhetoric, you are just protecting your ego which I understand, you are forgiven bro   . Being lazy show how much you care about other truth"s" much more than your own. And this is how the devil traps you. With your own laziness.

Oops, it seems you missed the mark here. I'll let you reassess.

In the meantime, I'll just say that I am often wrong and I have no issues saying it.

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: Hypocritical/Lazy/Egotistical/Ego-invested... that's a lot brother in dar*** you are a champion indeed, talented in the way of the  dar**** my affection for you is growing  

Oh yes, darkness is part of me. I remember well the pleasures of sexual power over others and the thrill of power from ending an incarnation (from eons ago, but still). These things are not rejected, they are well integrated and balanced inside of me. I am at peace and without judgment towards myself. There is no regret of the path traveled. I am truly thankful to the Universe for all of it.

I am in the process of replaying the game now and I know of other pleasures and other powers. I don't feel the need to replace the dark powers with these. No these other pleasures and powers are not comparable anyway. But these are what I yearn for now.

Knowing both I can make The Choice once again and just let myself be who I am without paradox. My choice is not said, it is lived. Just being my true preference. No complexity to any of it.

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: Now so far on this forum, the one named Aion (I think) has shown much more wisdom and maturity toward his/her path. The one named evolvingpheonix(I think) as shown an understanding of spirituality. Aside from those two  I might have  forgotten some that were indeed mature. But the rest of you lot have  just been walking contradictions, ego invested, and hypocritical over and over again.
See people this is wealth of knowledge/wisdom vs laziness.

Yeah Aion, the wisdom is great in this one.

(08-01-2021, 10:54 AM)Desaad khaan Wrote: Now to deepen the cut, Mother Theresa was also STS.

Quote:People seem to have a tendency to want heroes, so they look outside of themselves to find them.

Me too I have my villains but I am not invested in their lies. I carefully do my work to avoid "their" deception. And if you look towards something outside of yourself that just means that ALL isn't ONE for if ALL was ONE you'll just had to look inside. Having a hero is saying "he isn't me" he might resemble me but "he isn't me" this is the first stage of fanatism/adoration.

I know even less about Mother Teresa than I did about Gandhi. But certainly, expecting anyone to be perfect can only result in frustrated expectations?

I gave myself fully to our greater will and I just let life happens to me. Best decision I ever made !  The resulting experience truly highlights the magical nature of our "reality". Mind boggling !

I really like our little exchanges. It's great in highlighting things to ponder.

(08-01-2021, 04:29 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Words....shhhhhhh stillness; regroup

Quote:attempt to discuss, share, and examine this category of information—whether anecdotal or abstract—with the aim of understanding it in terms of spiritual evolution, polarity, self-knowing, and self-accepting

(08-01-2021, 04:29 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: OK. Patrick. What is wrong with you...you are a very good liar? Is this the image you want others to have of you and this is how you lead by example? You talk too much; from your walls of text to this latest rambling of how you are a liar and a good one and how it is beneficial for someone who walks on the narrow path. No! You what is good? THE TRUTH AND TRANSPARENCY and to lead others by example. You do not have to be perfect but to claim that lying, defensive lying, is part of the path??? Are you insane? You are insane and your mouth is your own worst enemy. WOW. No one follow that example. I may have harsh words for reality but I would never say to anyone who travels the narrow path to lie. DO NOT lie, be honest in all of your dealings! There is something so weak about this entire discourse. If I were you (and I am glad I am not), I would stop speaking to this person. Not that there is something incorrect in what they say but because your are leaking precious energy and now you are in a word trap. Nice. And too naive to even know it. You think you are wise and smart when it comes to this stuff but look @ what you have written and look at this discourse, this game you are playing and you are losing. But oh no....you think; "I know what I am saying, I am good and the Creator so nothing can bother me". But I promise you are on the losing end already. Words....shhhhhhh stillness; regroup

Quote:No one can do more than experience the fringes of the true kingdom and power and glory of love in its fullest sense. Those who feel they have the same chance of doing so as the Creator Itself have fallen into the trap of pride. Those who surrender the jar to be hollowed out and made transparent are those in whom the manifestation of love may not end, but continue infinitely. This process of choosing a way of manifesting an instinct which is inherent to all is entirely up to you. That you choose to seek in this mystery of the finite and the infinite is the cornerstone of all spiritual seeking, the bedrock of the spiritual life.

Quote:The final goal of all of these true spiritual paths is humility and a willingness to surrender that clay, the pride, the arrogance, the unworthiness and fear, to surrender all these emotions utterly to the power and peace of knowing that you are love. This you can know only by faith

Quote:In all humility surrender that finite self and seek the jewel within, asking it, as you would ask your most beloved self in its deepest aspect, to show itself as it will, to speak as it will. This attitude shall bring about within you that attitude which you seek, the attitude which seeks to be of service in any situation.

(08-01-2021, 10:06 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: I call it wreckless

(08-01-2021, 09:00 PM)Patrick Wrote:

OES Wrote:I would stop speaking to this person. Not that there is something incorrect in what they say but because your are leaking precious energy.

Yes, when the interaction enters the caricature that it did, I no longer see the point. It would indeed be a waste of energy.

(08-01-2021, 11:54 PM)J.W. Wrote: An attempt to depolarize, and recruitment. (serving.)

Ohr Ein Sof, Patrick... If possible, please step back and please leave your engagements with Desaad. (If you haven't already.)

Their actions thus far:
- Creating an entry and spotlight by being over-the-top with insidious attitude and "challenging" communication under the pretense of "debating."
- Playing innocence and standing behind the system of "fairness."  
- Denies and reject all accusation of spreading negative philosophy, blaming it on the readers, and the participants of the thread.
- Playing victim within the chaos.
- Taking side, applauding, and promoting members that "slightly" agrees with their ideology, even though it might not be "directly."
- Further creating discord by fanning at controversial discussions to keep members engaged.

Desaad, you attempted to create an sts incursion on the forum.
At this moment, they have no power, but they do want to exploit the "in-fighting" of members.
As the old saying goes... "you have to 'invite' the devil for him to come into your home." So as long as we are voluntarily "playing" the game, the deeper the quicksand will be.

So please don't fall further into it.

Desaad, you might have felt like your attempts to create bellicosity and de-polarization was "successful."

I have warned you before from a place of compassion,

The lessons for you will be in the theme of "unconditional love." I hope it will "serves" you well.

And if you want to seek further towards the love and light of the infinite creator, we are here for you. But for now, there's not much we can do for you here. Vice versa.

with l/l

I want to state that by no means the post below is an attempt to spread or promote any  philosophies. I am just expressing my distortions towards "my" truth which everybody has (ALL). By no mean I am responsible on how the reader respond, I leave to interpretation of each individual to respond by any range of emotions they possess fear/love and I accept them very well  etc.

Quote:attempt to discuss, share, and examine this category of information—whether anecdotal or abstract—with the aim of understanding it in terms of spiritual evolution, polarity, self-knowing, and self-accepting

Quote:...If I were you (and I am glad I am not)....

Quote:What is wrong with you...Is this the image you want others to have of you…

Quote:….You talk too much....…how you lead by example?

Quote:DO NOT lie, be honest in all of your dealings!

Quote:Words....shhhhhhh stillness; regroup

Quote:So I will adjust. Please do not hesitate to let me know if my future interactions still makes you feel uncomfortable

Quote:..Is this the image you want others to have of you…

Quote:60.16 Questioner: The pyramid shape then, as I understand it, was deemed by your social memory complex at that time to be of paramount importance as, shall I say, a physical training aid for spiritual development. At this particular time in the evolution of our planet it seems that you place little or no emphasis on this shape. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. It is our honor/duty to attempt to remove the distortions that the use of this shape has caused in the thinking of your peoples and in the activities of some of your entities. We do not deny that such shapes are efficacious, nor do we withhold the general gist of this efficacy. However, we wish to offer our understanding, limited though it is, that contrary to our naïve beliefs many thousands of your years ago the optimum shape for initiation does not exist.

Let us expand upon this point. When we were aided by sixth-density entities during our own third-density experiences we, being less bellicose in the extreme, found this teaching to be of help. In our naïveté in third density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power. We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.

We spent a much larger portion of our space/time working with the unmanifested being. In this less complex atmosphere it was quite instructive to have this learn/teaching device and we benefited without the distortions we found occurring among your peoples.

We have recorded these differences meticulously in the Great Record of Creation that such naïveté shall not be necessary again.

At this space/time we may best serve you, we believe, by stating that the pyramid for meditation along with other rounded and arched or pointed circular shapes is of help to you. However, it is our observation that due to the complexity of influences upon the unmanifested being at this space/time nexus among your planetary peoples it is best that the progress of the mind/body/spirit complex take place without, as you call them, training aids because when using a training aid an entity then takes upon itself the Law of Responsibility for the quickened or increased rate of learn/teaching. If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer, is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience of the entity, then the usefulness of the training aid becomes negative.

Quote:31.15 Questioner: Would the Orion group, then, be able, shall we say, to impress on entities this orange-ray effect, or did they… Is this the way that this came about, is what I’m trying to get at. Is this the way these concepts came about on this planet? Because if we go back to the beginning of third density, there must be a primal cause of this.

Ra: I am Ra. The cause of this is not Orion. It is the free choice of your peoples. This is somewhat difficult to explain. We shall attempt.

The sexual energy transfers and blockages are more a manifestation or example of that which is more fundamental than the other way about. Therefore, as your peoples became open to the concepts of bellicosity and the greed of ownership, these various distortions then began to filter down through the tree of mind into body complex expressions, the sexual expression being basic to that complex. Thus these sexual energy blockages, though Orion influenced and intensified, are basically the product of the beingness chosen freely by your peoples.

This will be the final question unless we may speak further upon this question to clarify, or answer any short queries before we close.

31.16 Questioner: I just need to know if this then works through the racial memory to infect the entire population in some way. Does that sort of thing happen?

Ra: I am Ra. The racial memory contains all that has been experienced. Thus there is some, shall we say, contamination even of the sexual, this showing mostly in your own culture as the various predispositions to adversary relationships, or, as you call them, marriages, rather than the free giving one to another in the love and the light of the Infinite Creator.

Quote:75.16 Questioner: Let me see if I understand, then, how the Orion group finds a chink in this distortion. The entity identifying, or having a distortion of any amount toward martyrdom is then open by its free will to the aid of the Orion group to make it a martyr. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct only in the quite specialized position in which the instrument finds itself, that is, of being involved in and dedicated to work which is magical or extremely polarized in nature. This group entered this work with polarity but virtual innocence as to the magical nature of this polarity it is beginning to discover.

Quote:Tonight, we would like to give you a few thoughts on the nature of innocence. We want you to think of your own nature, and of what you consider to be your sins, your errors, your mistakes. You who try, sometimes very hard, to be upon the spiritual path, often are very hard upon yourselves because you have erred, made a mistake. You have manifested that which was not positive. And you say, “Why have I done this? Why did I make this error? I did not mean that! Why did I do it?” And you concentrate on the error. And this does not seem to prevent you from making an error the next time.

My friends, we have said to you many times, “We greet you in love and in light.” We greet you in infinite perfection. We greet perfect beings who are totally innocent. We would like to suggest to you that instead of concentrating upon your mistakes, you ask yourself how much time you have spent this day investigating that portion of your unique person which is totally perfect. How much awareness have you had this day of the love and the light of the Creator you have within you? How aware have you been of your own innocence?

When you concentrate upon your mistakes, you dwell within the world of mistakes. And mistakes will occur again and again. If your consciousness is dwelling at a higher [resonance] within the realm where you know that you are a creation of the Father, you know that you can manifest His love. Then the opportunity for you to make a mistake and manifest that which is not love will be that much farther from you. Meditation is not upon your mistakes; is not upon the past. It is upon the eternal present, and upon your innocence. You are a child of love.

We emphasize this at this time because you are attempting to dedicate yourself in a far deeper way than you have previously attempted to do. And the key to the deeper dedication is to be able to focus yourself not upon the world of mistakes, but upon the world in which that spirit within you which is the Creator, which you may find it desirable to call the Christ spirit within you, will manifest.

My friends, it is written in your holy works that you do not know when this spirit will come. He may come in the morning. Or He may come in the evening. Or He may come at midnight. And if your lamp is lit, all will be well. And if it is not lit, you will miss Him. To dwell in the state of awareness that you are watching for the One Who is All: this is the source of the inspiration that will affect the kind of service that you wish to give, the kind of life that you wish to dedicate yourself to. You cannot analyze your own motives, your own acts or other people’s motives and acts. They will tangle you all up, my friends. Only dedicate yourself, not just now, but in all the nows, to the Father. Watch and wait, for you do not know when He will come.

Within the innocence of your soul, that which is perfect will always be coming into you. So concentrate on that. It is especially difficult within your peoples’ lives at this time to make this change in emphasis, for people more and more have become each other’s watchdog, and this is accepted within your culture, as you may call it. And those who attempt not to concentrate upon the negative are often considered unaware, or even stupid. Yet we assure you that the will that you create by your continued innocence of heart will be a light within this world, this world of yours which is dark at this time.

My friends, it is as though the world were deep, deep asleep, and a few of you are attempting to remain awake. For you, my friends, love may yet light up the sky. For those who sleep, it may be a long night.

Other people’s reality will remain real for them. Yours will also remain real for you, no matter how, shall we say, difficult the times may get for those about you. It is truly written that to those which are innocent in heart, those things which are needed will come.

Quote:Group question: The question this afternoon has to do with the concept of the new mind, the unblemished, the virgin mind, the mind that exists before experience has made any mark on it. And we’re wondering how this new mind could be called upon or used in our daily round of activities to help us process catalyst, make decisions, or simply be in the moment. What is the value of the new mind to each of us as we live our third-density lives?

...

We come to you to speak concerning the value of a certain attitude of mind. Let us speak first of the value of attitude. Consider if you will, how removed from innocence each of your actions and, indeed, your very thoughts have come. What a long trail of judgments and processes of perception go into your becoming aware of any single thought or bias. Consider how bland the texture of life as you experience it might be were you not to have this loss of innocence of the senses, and how each bias, each peculiarity of your particular mind-set or attitude has had to do with a realizing for you a way of experiencing which has, only to a minority extent, to do with the raw facts or unjudged data of any ideation or experience.

What gives the flavor to your menu of sense perceptions is an attitude. For so many among your peoples, the deeper attitudes, as you have been discussing this day, toward the self are attitudes of judgment. As you treat yourself you also treat others. There is all the difference in the world between experiencing the self remaining without opinion in relationship with another entity or an idea, and reacting to that person or idea. The attitude, then, is that which moves seemingly from the virgin or untried mind and toward a characteristic signature of a certain matrix or cluster of builded opinion which functions as a basic attitude towards life typical of spiritual principles. It is a paradox...

I want to state that by no means the post below is an attempt to spread or promote any  philosophies. I am just expressing my distortions towards "my" truth which everybody has (ALL). By no mean I am responsible on how the reader respond, I leave to interpretation of each individual to respond by any range of emotions they possess fear/love and I accept them very well  etc.

Quote:attempt to discuss, share, and examine this category of information—whether anecdotal or abstract—with the aim of understanding it in terms of spiritual evolution, polarity, self-knowing, and self-accepting

Quote:There are organized social systems that base their functioning solely upon [b]volition and the inner pulls of each and every member of it as a whole[/b]

Quote:In this case, the propeller of progress and evolution of such societies is volition itself, and the ends that it seeks are consonant to each individual innermost desires at any point, which are a reflection of each individual spiritual progression at any point. As simplified and reduced examples: a caretaker would feel the desire to take care of other beings because it would benefit their spiritual evolution the most at that particular time; a builder to build, and so on.

Quote:Such unconstrained individuals would effortlessly gravitate towards their most needed aspects of progression, which would be harmonious and beneficial to themselves and to society as a whole at the same time.

Quote:The monetary system functions as a substitute for the propelling force of society towards progress and evolution while, at the same time, restraining — throughout the replacement of the paramount societal importance of each member's own volition and spiritual inclinations — the liberty of individuals in a monetary society.

Quote:This system's restraints set a lower bound of slavery and debt, thus imposing a predictable and crude survival mode, which fosters crime and punishment, which in turn begets more crime, more punishment, and so on.

Quote:Because money is the toll to access most of the resources of a monetary-based society, and because the agents that regulate supply also fabricate and enforce upon society the demands that are most convenient to the supply agents' agenda (which, in turn, perpetrates maximum enslavement for agents in the sole condition of demanding), the progress of a monetary-based society is limited to the extent of the desires of these supply agents, while the destinies of the demanding individuals or vassals are always subject to an agenda that puts them as expendables for the ongoing functioning of a monetary-based society.

Quote:Furthermore, because the agents that regulate the supply do so from a place of volition, and because the volition of every other individual is, directly and indirectly, subject to theirs, the net total volition of a monetary-based society is reduced to the supply agents'. This effectively slows the maximum progress and evolution potential of a monetary-based society as a whole.

Quote:Because demand is enforced by the agents that regulate supply, the individuals that demand are conditioned to repeat what is enforced upon them. However, because supply is fueled and feedbacked by demand, the loss of volition of the demanding individuals compromise the foundations of a monetary-based society in a roundabout way: the agents that regulate supply and enforce demand are thus indirectly subject to their own social management, and because of their social alienation and the mismatch of their social accountability (to society as a whole) and the extent of their wisdom, they are both the most impairing and the most impaired agents of a monetary-based society.

Quote:While this leaves plenty of space to discuss and examine the negative polarity, we ask that members assume that all who are participating on the forums are either consciously polarizing positively, or are, at least, not polarizing negatively. While any one of us may engage in behavior that carries aspects of the service-to-self path, and while some members make certain claims about their own polarity, in nearly eight years of maintaining a community, we have yet to see an actual member consciously polarizing service to self on the forums.

Quote:5) Negative Philosophies
Ours is a forum dedicated to the exploration, promotion, and living of the service-to-others polarity as defined in the Law of One material. This does not mean that discussions about the service-to-self polarity are prohibited, only that promotion of philosophies and information which:

*exhibit elements of deception and manipulative thinking
*generate fear
*reject or discourage universal love
*encourage or promote control of self or others

are considered to be not in alignment with the principles of spiritual evolution espoused by Confederation sources and are thus subject to moderation and/or removal.

(08-07-2021, 03:12 PM)Jade Wrote: Did this forum remove the rule requiring good faith participation with attempts at polarizing service to others by all members?

Quote:While this leaves plenty of space to discuss and examine the negative polarity, we ask that members assume that all who are participating on the forums are either consciously polarizing positively, or are, at least, not polarizing negatively. While any one of us may engage in behavior that carries aspects of the service-to-self path, and while some members make certain claims about their own polarity, in nearly eight years of maintaining a community, we have yet to see an actual member consciously polarizing service to self on the forums.

It appears that it, as well as several other guidelines (many of which I helped draft) that have been broken in this thread, still exist. For what it's worth I think the caveat there doesn't even matter. It shouldn't be the job of the moderators to decide if they think someone is consciously polarizing service to self - it should be their job to ban trolls who have clearly stated their intentions to not play nice. This poster gave us a manifesto of their intentions, including that they were here to mine the good intentions of others here on this forum to gain more service to self polarity - so why are they allowed to continue unabated, even encouraged? 

Quote:5) Negative Philosophies
Ours is a forum dedicated to the exploration, promotion, and living of the service-to-others polarity as defined in the Law of One material. This does not mean that discussions about the service-to-self polarity are prohibited, only that promotion of philosophies and information which:

*exhibit elements of deception and manipulative thinking
*generate fear
*reject or discourage universal love
*encourage or promote control of self or others

are considered to be not in alignment with the principles of spiritual evolution espoused by Confederation sources and are thus subject to moderation and/or removal.

Quote:Did this forum remove the rule requiring good faith participation with attempts at polarizing service to others by all members?

Quote:many of which I helped draft)

Quote:5) Negative Philosophies
Ours is a forum dedicated to the exploration, promotion, and living of the service-to-others polarity as defined in the Law of One material. This does not mean that discussions about the service-to-self polarity are prohibited, only that promotion of philosophies and information which:

*exhibit elements of deception and manipulative thinking
*generate fear
*reject or discourage universal love
*encourage or promote control of self or others

are considered to be not in alignment with the principles of spiritual evolution espoused by Confederation sources and are thus subject to moderation and/or removal.

Quote:Well, some moderators have lengthy conversations with this individual of which  feel is not a huge deal but does go against the clear guidelines

Quote: Basically speaking, this is now a place where negative polarizing people may come to (.....).

(08-07-2021, 05:34 PM)Desaad khaan Wrote: This required a separate post, tank you for your understanding moderators.

Quote:Well, some moderators have lengthy conversations with this individual of which  feel is not a huge deal but does go against the clear guidelines

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Some moderators wrote me directly in my private message and they realized that except for my swearing I didn't breached any Guidelines. You as an individual is very very very very very patronizing under the pretense of love.  You are also very very very very very manipulating. Clear breach of guidelines would be to tell you to go and be a terrorist which I think is extremely stupid (to be one of course), life is much more  enjoyable in the state. But that was  an exemple,  any kind of self-harm promotion  would be clear breach of guidelines rather   than just  talk about by my life in truth, I've lived war and went through f***d sh***t, this is my life and how  I used everything I had not to lose myself, to dominate difficult and hopeless situations. So the tale can be seen positively  or negatively it's up to you not me.

Quote: Basically speaking, this is now a place where negative polarizing people may come to (.....).

Negative people are everywhere, they run your businesses, your country, your life, your money, your everything. They will not waste their effort  on  a "putch" on a forum.
I am going to be blunt, if you really do want people  to recruit you (which you are claiming is my purpose), you have to at least compounded 15 millions $ the last 6 years, possess an IQ at least of 145, being in the top 20% in 3 different competitive activities (hobbies etc game included) or physical abilities, then they would've  ask you some questions to evaluate your basis on spirituality. Then I would've to affiliate you to  "L'ordre des templiers" or any order  from the country you currently  reside. They find you directly either in public events or through friends of friends they never(rarely) do an approach without any links, the usual way is mentoring, but you can only mentor one at the time. Talking about this to you is really a waste for everybody, first you'll never be approached hourraaaaaa second I came here not for this  (not so hourrraaaaaa)
Summary, I am not here to recruit . This is how those guys recruit and yeah you'll have to be younger than 30 on top of that.

Now please, just keep regrouping and stilling. Thank you. Don't talk about me, just go your way and let people live their lives. Thank you very much so.

Quote:You use a lot of words to justify yourself, but it's as simple as this: you openly stated you were here to use the STO "sheep" even though you despise us, and you gloated that you were too smart to get caught in your nefarious intentions. You said you were an eagle preying upon us, and have called Ra a liar in multiple posts, showing you have no desire to actually engage with this philosophy in any productive way. Your flattery towards the moderators should be seen for what it is: manipulation so that no one takes your toy away.

Quote:called Ra a liar in multiple posts

Quote:nefarious intentions

Quote:You said you were an eagle preying upon us

Quote:you have no desire to actually engage with this philosophy in any productive way-

Quote:I'm not afraid of spiders, but that doesn't mean I'd suffer a black widow that has taken residence in my chicken coop. I would kindly remove its well-advertised venemous being to another location that isn't a threat to the beings who have entrusted me with their care.

Quote:taken residence in my chicken coop