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Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-24-2010 A healthy progression from certainty to uncertainty allows for fresh creation and then re-creation. Thus eliminating 'stagnation' — which is tantamount to 'death'. There is nothing so self deceiving as "knowing". Hence to truly live, we must die. Forget what you know to remember what you don't. It's already in you, for whatever we are, is not what we will be. Have faith in this — if NOTHING else. The present is the end of our beginning, and the beginning of our end. ALL of which should be welcomed without reservation. Letting go of our "self" to find our self requires an artful balance of faith and cynicism. Be faithful in your journey but never be faithful to what you are. FLOW. Become the river. After all, It is a merely a Game in the End, which is NOW... In Love and evoL ![]() RE: Healthy Death - Questioner - 07-24-2010 Chuck, thanks for a great reminder and an incredibly cool picture. I've been finding these ideas coming at me from a variety of directions recently; they must be what I need to learn. I'd like to share two long passages from very different authors, that I feel shine light from two directions onto the very same concept. Melanie Anne Phillips is co-creator of a unique system of storytelling. The system was originally intended for screenwriters, but I think its psychological insights go far beyond that. After all, the best storytelling is true to nature. From a recent post on her personal blog: Quote:I've divided my life into two stories. Story one, everything up until this year. ... Story one is all about my realizing what a self-centered, self-justifying, self-righteous ass I was and they trying to make amends. And how did I try to make up for these things? By seeking to fix all those old relationships on my own terms. After all, to do any less wouldn't be fair to me, would it? The second excerpt is from a metaphysical book by Henry Thomas Hamblin in 1923, but it seems to be saying exactly the same thing as you, Melanie, and the New Testament ("the old man of sin has died..."). Quote:It is not exactly an easy road which you have chosen. No path that leads upward ever is. The path of victory is always thorny; but when the thorns hurt the feet most, we can console ourselves with the thought that the path really does lead somewhere, and we know definitely that it leads to Success, Achievement, Happiness and Satisfaction. Difficulties there will be, disappointments, failures and set-backs, but to him who sets his face towards the light, and will keep steadily onward, there must come success and accomplishment and victory, above all expectation. ... So, to me these all seem to be the very same message that you are bringing today. I feel that my explorations of the Enneagram have led to exactly the same conclusion. Each state of consciousness it describes is merely a tool to be used when useful, and then set aside in the next moment to be discovered anew. RE: Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-25-2010 Hi mate, I tend to find these "things" are ever present, and when we are "ready" we tune in, and then "Magic" happens — just as we need it to happen... Call it Magic, serendipity, divine providence, whatever — it is the Cosmos answering our call, for it is ALL 'there' (present and waiting) for us to ask the correct questions (in the correct mind). Like a door that opens when the right combination is struck. I believe in such magic but I do not believe in spells. I believe the thoughts we have are the magic that in-forms our experiences whether positive or negative. If we allow others to direct our experiences, it is still WE that are the cause our direction, coz we sanction (consciously or unconsciously) our worldview. The only way to take control is to learn that we are ultimately the the alpha and omega of our experiences. I suspect (as told by the "Oracle" in the Matrix film) that we have already made our choices, and we are here to find out WHY we have made them. We are here to experience the drama in a "theatre"of our own direction... We may hate our script, and we may fight and rail at the idea that we have chosen our abusive parents, our tawdry relationships, etc.... But I know this if anything, if not for my own torment, I would not have a perspective worth sharing. It's not what happens to us, it's how we deal with it that counts. It's not what we have done, or what we plan that matters, it's what we DO, NOW, that counts. We have the power to DO as we please for better or worse. It is all part of the big picture. We are FREE and we steer our vessels in search of the distant shore. We gather and coalesce, grow and expand in wisdom and experience. We look to the stars and eventually we find the wisdom to navigate our ocean. I really like the article by Melanie Anne Phillips. It is letter perfect. (Funny how I have used the theatre analogy above as you say when she was writing for screen writers). I always use the theatre analogy when describing "life"... I also find that all things, all subjects can inform our spiritual eye, even if it is only or affirm what we already do (or don't) know. The important thing is to let go of all conceptions, and let them dance before our eyes. Let them evolve and be what they will be. As we observe we can hold without holding. Appreciate that our place in the firmament is secure whether we are incandescent before the eyes of others or whether we fade out of view (just like the dance before our eyes, we dance). All things wax and wane and nothing is permanent but impermanence. So it is with ignorance, i.e., impermanent. The only thing that is permanent is the moment that exists between the past and the future. i.e., NOW, and that is our only window of opportunity for practical self control. I "believe" conditionally, because I do not actually believe in anything. Depends on the conditions. Show me something new or contrary that holds water, and I will believe it, if only momentarily, coz all things wax and wane. Belief is conditional, while faith is transcendent. I'm not sure this contribution adds up to anything more than a fragment in the white noise of the world. What we really need is silence, for in the silence of our own hearts and minds we can hear the drums of wisdom drawing us into the presence of perfection. We are already "there" (i.e., "here"), Present and Perfect. evoL, C. PS. I'm glad you like the picture. It is part of a series I have created titled "Conflux". Picture yourself flying up the caduceus with the snakes of light and dark intertwined around you as you travel inexorably towards the light above. At the top is the all seeing eye of godhead and the wings of transcendence. RE: Healthy Death - Confused - 07-25-2010 (07-25-2010, 08:02 PM)Black doG Wrote: I suspect (as told by the "Oracle" in the Matrix film) that we have already made our choices, and we are here to find out WHY we have made them. We are here to experience the drama in a "theatre"of our own direction... We may hate our script, and we may fight and rail at the idea that we have chosen our abusive parents, our tawdry relationships, etc.... But I know this if anything, if not for my own torment, I would not have a perspective worth sharing. Do we always make the choices? Or some made for us? RE: Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-25-2010 It is our higher-self that chooses, methinks, but not necessarily in the present. Our present is the window through which that higher self experiences the scenario that plays out as a consequence of choices we make in answer to the questions asked by the present flow of our "light show"... This is not a qualified response, it is ONLY that which resonates for me presently. Take and make of it what you will. If you find yourself dissatisfied with my answers, trust that I am not attached to the idea of your attachment to them. Neither am I attached to them, as I play, create and re-create in the bosom of uncertainty. Play NOW. It is a game. Love and evoL, C. RE: Healthy Death - Confused - 07-25-2010 (07-25-2010, 09:43 PM)Black doG Wrote: If you find yourself dissatisfied with my answers..... Who am I in any case to sit in judgment on the spiritual inclinations and beliefs of a fellow seeker? I only see myself as a student who incidentally is not able to learn and apply the lessons with discipline and love. RE: Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-25-2010 We sit in judgement, of course we do. And it is okay... Judgements you make should only be held as long as they resonate. When they cease to hold, then move on. Trust yourself. Forgive yourself. Live to learn. Trust that even your "failures" in discipline exist to inform and ratify your growing wisdom. But, this thing is "fluid", is existential-motion ("eMotion") in motion... ergo, "Life alive". Go with it. Flow with it. Learn from it. Rejoice in it. The only thing I can to teach here is the virtue of dance, as I dance before you, knowing unknowing, but effete and pointless. for in the end it is up to you. I cannot be more honest than that. Sincerely, C. RE: Healthy Death - Confused - 07-25-2010 (07-25-2010, 10:20 PM)Black doG Wrote: The only thing I can to teach here is the virtue of dance, as I dance before you, knowing unknowing, but effete and pointless..... Why is it effete and pointless? Not able to understand that in the context of the statement. RE: Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-26-2010 Hi C, it is "effete and pointless" because beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I cannot force you to act in one way or another. The choice and ability/desire to comprehend/accept is always yours. I accept this. IF you choose not to pass judgement, there is still a judgement and a choice being made. Choice and judgement are central to every transaction we make with the divine cosmos that greets us presently. I can "dance" in a manner of speaking and and make a display of my "candour", "wizdumb", and "lack of holding", but my "wiz-dumb", may seem like plain old "dumb" — and I am powerless to do anything about this possibility... No disrespect meant, on the contrary, only YOU can bring my wiz-dumb to life... Even the greatest teacher is a failure in the eyes of a student who will not see. I do not profess to be great. I have no school. I have no disciples, and not do I seek them. I am complete though, and I am able to take full responsibility for my world-view. Alpha and Omega. C. RE: Healthy Death - Confused - 07-26-2010 (07-26-2010, 03:01 AM)Black doG Wrote: I can "dance" in a manner of speaking and and make a display of my "candour", "wizdumb", and "lack of holding", but my "wiz-dumb", may seem like plain old "dumb" — and I am powerless to do anything about this possibility... Very true. This is what is currently happening in my life, especially with respect to candour. Thanks BD. PS: It is good to write in the Queen's English here, which I notice from your spellings . I was schooled in British English, which means bring4th software normally highlights many words I write as error.
RE: Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-26-2010 Tell me more... What's happening in your life? BTW, I come from the land down under... Maaaate!! RE: Healthy Death - Confused - 07-26-2010 (07-26-2010, 03:55 AM)Black doG Wrote: Tell me more... What's happening in your life? Dear BD, thanks for asking. After reading the LOO, I became obsessed with communicating at the level of the blue ray. In a mad attempt to do that, I began spilling beans of every kind, which is causing a lot of consternation among family and friends. I lost all sense of proportion in my efforts at communicating without pretence (or with candour). But I wanted to do it only on my own terms. I would point a mistake in me; but if my mother or father attempt to do that, I would shoot them down with savage ferocity, which later disgusts me. It however tells me where my inner work lies. It lies in areas of developing patience and in the area of being able to see my own self from the face of mirrors (i.e. other-selves). I also now know that I am capable of unimaginable and brutal use of power (if I had it of course). For instance, say if I am a military man, may be I would be capable of extreme human rights abuse (in countries that allow it - such as in Asia or Africa). It all comes down finally to the lessons of self-acceptance, discipline and the focus of the will. I also suffer from extreme bouts of jealousy, which I have come to accept after reading the LOO. For example, I have at multiple times felt extremely jealous of the exalted spiritual knowledge and thoughts of many on these forums. But I have made a commitment to walk the positive path. Or in other words, my choice of polarity is positive. I am from a land that recently emerged as a fierce competitor to Australia on the Cricket field - after its traditional arch-rivals, i.e the English and the Kiwis. I am not explicitly mentioning 'my' country of origin though, but I think you can guess if you follow Cricket in your country
RE: Healthy Death - Questioner - 07-26-2010 (07-25-2010, 08:02 PM)Black doG Wrote: Hi mate,Amen! Quote:I believe in such magic but I do not believe in spells. I believe the thoughts we have are the magic that in-forms our experiences...I think this was Hamblin's point as well. Did you perhaps see the passage as promoting a magic spells point of view? Later in his book, he suggests that we identify all good qualities with God; and identify God with the transcendent inspiration in our own hearts. He used some Christian jargon, but I think he was well within the "New Thought" movement that I feel has significant overlap with the later Law of One/ET channeling content. His book is one of many 1900's era New Thought books that are free to read at http://www.psitek.net/index2.html. Pretty far from, say Grant Morrison's outspoken advocacy of spells and signals for personal magic, or Crowley's work. Quote:we may fight and rail at the idea that we have chosen our abusive parents, our tawdry relationships, etc.. Well, just in the past couple of weeks, I've been starting to wonder something. What if actually, these situations have nothing to do with our development, but are for the benefit of those who were negative towards us? In that case, before birth, the spirits of the parents, abusers, etc. would say, "I want to play a negative script in which I'm a bad guy who messes up the lives of others. Who has the fortitude to play the part of the victim? Can someone help me out here?" And we are the intrepid character actors, portraying the hapless sufferers so that the other person's dramatic skills are highlighted that much more. Quote:It's not what happens to us, it's how we deal with it that counts.Beautifully put. It's what I'm learning about now. Quote:I really like the article by Melanie Anne Phillips. It is letter perfect. Almost everything I've read of her work is thought-provoking and poignant. Thought-provoking because it expresses deep insights about the nature of personhood, conflict, and meaning. Poignant because of her openness about lifelong struggles about how to make wise decisions and find personal peace in her own life. Another very key passage from her dovetails with what you're talking about: Quote:The Mind is a machine made of time. It must be in motion to exist. The mind does not exist in the physical world, but as a result of the physical world. Taking this all together, think back to a time when you drifted away on some mental tangent until suddenly you were jolted back to "reality", and you realized that several minutes had passed unnoticed. During that lost period, your mind simply did not exist for it had ceased to be in motion. The moment some external stimulus triggered a response, however, the physical nature of the four aspects of your brain re-created your mind more or less as it was when it ceased. Quote:PS. I'm glad you like the picture. It is part of a series I have created titled "Conflux". Picture yourself flying up the caduceus with the snakes of light and dark intertwined around you as you travel inexorably towards the light above. At the top is the all seeing eye of godhead and the wings of transcendence. I admire your art and am blessed that you share it. Have you considering doing video animation art that combines imagery with a musical soundtrack? RE: Healthy Death - Confused - 07-26-2010 Hello BD, I see that the caduceus is part of your personal insignia. I was reading session 55 of LOO today when I came across the following - Quote:Questioner: The book, The Life Force of the Great Pyramid, has related the ankh shape with a resonance in the pyramid. Is this a correct analysis? I was not able to quite understand Ra's explanations on the Crux Ansata. Any ideas? And isn't the Ankh a symbol of a 'health death' for resurrection into expanded life? RE: Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-26-2010 please send a link to that passage... RE: Healthy Death - Confused - 07-26-2010 (07-26-2010, 09:54 PM)Black doG Wrote: please send a link to that passage... Here you go BD - http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=55 RE: Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-27-2010 Is "Questioner "one and the same as the questioner from the above passage?... Honestly, I found this material to be opaque. For what it is worth, I found my path was so immediately present that it BLEW my mind to see how close it is. The answer is is closer than your very breath. Stop looking. Quiet. Listen. Confusion is a result of conflicting opportunities, especially when we see too much and monkey mind chatters over the inordinate detail available to seekers. My advice is: Eliminate all, to receive all.... Lucidity springs from silence. Respectfully. evoL, C. RE: Healthy Death - Questioner - 07-27-2010 (07-27-2010, 09:05 PM)Black doG Wrote: Is "Questioner "one and the same as the questioner from the above passage?... No. Don Elkins asked questions of Ra in the early 80's. Don is indicated by "Questioner" throughout the transcripts in the Ra books. The Ra contact ended with Don's death. I never met Don and have never been involved in a Ra channeling session. When I joined the forum last year, I picked the user name to honor his effort to learn about spiritual truth through questioning. This thread explains more. http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=578 I hope this doesn't cause undue confusion. Session 55 is one of Don asking some miscellaneous questions, a bit out of context. Ra discussed the geometry of the Great Pyramid. Don had read a book referring to symbolism of the ankh, and asked if that was relevant. Ra's answer hints that although both the Great Pyramid and the ankh both have geometric shapes and both are spiritually valuable, it's a dead end to use Don's current level of understanding to try to relate them into a single map. This is about as close as Ra comes to say "Don't waste your time with this distracting side issue," while still respecting Don's right to ask whatever questions he feels like asking. RE: Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-27-2010 "Don't waste your time with this distracting side issue," Precisely my meaning ![]() No confusion, thanks for prompt reply. Not to sound glib but, "The Question is the Answer". Too right, too simple... Love, C. RE: Healthy Death - Questioner - 07-27-2010 Fair dinkum, mate. ![]() (What the heck does that mean anyway!) RE: Healthy Death - Black doG - 07-27-2010 Dinkum means genuine, or real. Fair means balanced. "I AM THAT YOU ARE" is "fair dinkum".... Present always, but not necessarily accounted for! You earlier question about "negative "players was a fresh way to look at the theatre analogy. But it is a mouthful to process, and to respond appropriately will take some thought... give me time, please... I'll see what I can come up with in due time. RE: Healthy Death - Questioner - 07-27-2010 (07-27-2010, 10:06 PM)Black doG Wrote: give me time, please... I'll see what I can come up with in due time. Thanks for the education in Aussie talk. No rush, I enjoy reading whatever you happen to feel good about writing. RE: Healthy Death - Confused - 07-28-2010 (07-27-2010, 09:11 PM)Questioner Wrote: Ra's answer hints that although both the Great Pyramid and the ankh both have geometric shapes and both are spiritually valuable, it's a dead end to use Don's current level of understanding to try to relate them into a single map. Thanks Q. I think I have got my answer. RE: Healthy Death - Questioner - 07-28-2010 Balanced and genuine: that would describe Ra. What if Don had been Australian? I am Ra. G'day, mate. We perceive your query about the planetary body. She'll be right. Be aware you are both the shrimp and the barbie as all are one. As often as you can remember this without whinging, good onya. Beauty! The stickybeak may have a further inquiry. You right? RE: Healthy Death - norral - 07-29-2010 (07-28-2010, 11:33 AM)Questioner Wrote: Balanced and genuine: that would describe Ra. What if Don had been Australian? ha ha thats too funny questioner thanks !!! RE: Healthy Death - thefool - 07-29-2010 That is a cool picture allright!!! |