(06-19-2017, 04:42 PM)Fuse Wrote: Oh. Oh wow. That guy's good.

Thank you so much for posting that. I feel like I could go watch it a couple dozen more times and then Ascend.

Instead, I think I'll study the notes every day, which I would have written out, but you have so excellently beaten me to it...

My God. Looking at that list...has it really been that simple all along?

(06-20-2017, 02:30 AM)Light of Wisdom Wrote: In my experience there is no such thing as "Christ consciousness", at least not in the way it has been described by the whole new age movement, or by any channeled materials. It appears rather to be a trap, a vague concept, yet unattainable, since no one has actually ever achieved it. It's like a carrot on a stick, which makes you go in pursuit of something, but its true purpose is rather, to re-direct you in a direction that is unfavourable.

The standard new age concept of "become the Creator", also appears to be the same old fallen angel/Satanic promise and trap that was offered to early humans. It's akin to a stranger tempting children with sweets. The children, being totally innocent of course, take it, not knowing that they are ingesting poison. The poison represents the unreadiness for a child to know the things of adults (which in itself is a corrupting agent) + the knowledge that the child is being given by the stranger, the knowledge itself being corrupt in nature and untrue, and not how reality truly functions. Enough knowledge however is given, so that it is rather difficult to immediately falsify it, rather it makes you search for more. Like being led into the forest by the crumbs.

One does not become like Jesus, that just doesn't happen, no one ever did it, in all human history. No one ever defeated death, other than Jesus. Which means that the whole cosmology of "Christ consciousness" is based upon a false premise. Where you are told that you can achieve something, (and whilst you may have experiences of higher consciousness, these experiences themselves do not correlate with the idea of becoming the Creator yourself), but in truth the whole purpose is to take real experiences and to combine them with false teachings, which lead you in a direction of destruction.

I've seen people go down these routes, and to be honest, it gets to the point where they are celebrating being abducted, having implants, doing covert sabotage, having hybrid alien babies and all kinds of really strange and inhumane things. And they can't tell the difference any more between right and wrong, precisely because the teachings they are following are constantly reinforcing this idea in their minds that there is no right and wrong. All of those individuals, they talk about Christ consciousness and alien-consciousness and how to integrate oneself into it. They also talk about how the higher self always orchestrates such experiences for higher learning. But to be honest, it's almost like listening to victims of Stockholm syndrome.

(06-20-2017, 10:35 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I believe it is also called Universal Consciousness or Cosmic Consciousness. The closest I've been was feeling unconditional love.
But I am grasping at the fundamentals now. Trying to train my mind to think and be differently.

(06-20-2017, 02:27 PM)Fuse Wrote:

(06-20-2017, 10:35 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I believe it is also called Universal Consciousness or Cosmic Consciousness. The closest I've been was feeling unconditional love.
But I am grasping at the fundamentals now. Trying to train my mind to think and be differently.

What's weird for me is that I am utterly grasping for the fundamentals myself at this point! Looking back now I can totally see how my Higher Self used my time as a Christian to continue my evolution, but I was not an active participant in that growth. I'm having to go "oh, THAT's what that experience was about." And I guess I wouldn't consider myself a Christian anymore, in the sense that that vibration, "Christian," today connects to a diseased, zombie-like spiritual organism that is not long for this world, methinks. What is Christianity's heir? (The social memory complex, of course. I personally believe we'll call her Eden. It's my vote for what we rename the planet once fourth density has fully manifested.)

It's a hopeful message, and I'll share it (and then stop talking about myself, hehe), that even if you derail yourself, which I managed twice in my spiritual process to date, if you truly seek with a sincere heart, it doesn't matter how you seek. You will find it, and the process of your growth will not stop, even if you think you might have caused it to.

Cosmic Consciousness has a great ring to it. That might be the one to go with going forward.

(06-20-2017, 02:30 AM)Light of Wisdom Wrote: In my experience there is no such thing as "Christ consciousness", at least not in the way it has been described by the whole new age movement, or by any channeled materials. It appears rather to be a trap, a vague concept, yet unattainable, since no one has actually ever achieved it. It's like a carrot on a stick, which makes you go in pursuit of something, but its true purpose is rather, to re-direct you in a direction that is unfavourable.

The standard new age concept of "become the Creator", also appears to be the same old fallen angel/Satanic promise and trap that was offered to early humans. It's akin to a stranger tempting children with sweets. The children, being totally innocent of course, take it, not knowing that they are ingesting poison. The poison represents the unreadiness for a child to know the things of adults (which in itself is a corrupting agent) + the knowledge that the child is being given by the stranger, the knowledge itself being corrupt in nature and untrue, and not how reality truly functions. Enough knowledge however is given, so that it is rather difficult to immediately falsify it, rather it makes you search for more. Like being led into the forest by the crumbs.

One does not become like Jesus, that just doesn't happen, no one ever did it, in all human history. No one ever defeated death, other than Jesus. Which means that the whole cosmology of "Christ consciousness" is based upon a false premise. Where you are told that you can achieve something, (and whilst you may have experiences of higher consciousness, these experiences themselves do not correlate with the idea of becoming the Creator yourself), but in truth the whole purpose is to take real experiences and to combine them with false teachings, which lead you in a direction of destruction.

I've seen people go down these routes, and to be honest, it gets to the point where they are celebrating being abducted, having implants, doing covert sabotage, having hybrid alien babies and all kinds of really strange and inhumane things. And they can't tell the difference any more between right and wrong, precisely because the teachings they are following are constantly reinforcing this idea in their minds that there is no right and wrong. All of those individuals, they talk about Christ consciousness and alien-consciousness and how to integrate oneself into it. They also talk about how the higher self always orchestrates such experiences for higher learning. But to be honest, it's almost like listening to victims of Stockholm syndrome.

Quote:I want freedom more than anything. There must be a way to get there.

Quote:ATS: If so, how do we become freemen?

HH: You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an understanding, of why you are here. [2]

 

(06-24-2017, 10:18 AM)Mahakali Wrote: So where is true knowledge found?

I've seen enough to know that you're telling the truth.

I could argue some of the finer points, such as that it is entirely possible - in theory - to develop psychic powers, manipulate the world with your mind, and/or even defeat death.

But for the most part, you know your s***.

I've definitely achieved minor telekinesis and some other things... but, in your opinion, to what degree are channeled materials like Ra or Seth to be trusted?

I want freedom more than anything. There must be a way to get there.

(06-28-2017, 02:52 AM)Night Owl Wrote: Essentially we have the freedom to enslave ourselves, or we are enslaved into our own freedom to experience ourselves.

(06-28-2017, 03:49 PM)Night Owl Wrote: I don't think I'd make a good leader acutually. Most likely because I really don't want that to begin with. That word salad however means the exact same thing if you think about it a little bit. If you choose to enslave yourself that means you are free to do so. If you choose to be free, you are also free to do so.. No matter what, we can't get out of having the freedom to choose. The perspective we entertain towards our choices is what makes us feel trapped. If you feel like you "have to" make a choice for exemple that can lead to believe you are not. But there is a choice on both side of the coin.

You say you want to be free, then you say you want spiritual develepment. Are you sure you know what you want? It is the first step towards making a choice and experiencing freedom. I also very often do not know what I want.

(07-01-2017, 07:04 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote:

(06-28-2017, 03:49 PM)Night Owl Wrote: I don't think I'd make a good leader acutually. Most likely because I really don't want that to begin with. That word salad however means the exact same thing if you think about it a little bit. If you choose to enslave yourself that means you are free to do so. If you choose to be free, you are also free to do so.. No matter what, we can't get out of having the freedom to choose. The perspective we entertain towards our choices is what makes us feel trapped. If you feel like you "have to" make a choice for exemple that can lead to believe you are not. But there is a choice on both side of the coin.

You say you want to be free, then you say you want spiritual develepment. Are you sure you know what you want? It is the first step towards making a choice and experiencing freedom. I also very often do not know what I want.

i think you would since you are already a grade up from a lot of people who are indifferent, you could lead but it takes work like achieving any other skillset.

when you don't know what you want, it means you've not found something exciting to do yet. It isn't worth it if it isn't exciting, but you got to be able to balance with a little elbow grease too

(06-20-2017, 02:30 AM)Light of Wisdom Wrote: I've seen people go down these routes, and to be honest, it gets to the point where they are celebrating being abducted, having implants, doing covert sabotage, having hybrid alien babies and all kinds of really strange and inhumane things. And they can't tell the difference any more between right and wrong, precisely because the teachings they are following are constantly reinforcing this idea in their minds that there is no right and wrong. All of those individuals, they talk about Christ consciousness and alien-consciousness and how to integrate oneself into it. They also talk about how the higher self always orchestrates such experiences for higher learning. But to be honest, it's almost like listening to victims of Stockholm syndrome.

(06-20-2017, 02:30 AM)Light of Wisdom Wrote: In my experience there is no such thing as "Christ consciousness", at least not in the way it has been described by the whole new age movement, or by any channeled materials. It appears rather to be a trap, a vague concept, yet unattainable, since no one has actually ever achieved it. It's like a carrot on a stick, which makes you go in pursuit of something, but its true purpose is rather, to re-direct you in a direction that is unfavourable.

The standard new age concept of "become the Creator", also appears to be the same old fallen angel/Satanic promise and trap that was offered to early humans. It's akin to a stranger tempting children with sweets. The children, being totally innocent of course, take it, not knowing that they are ingesting poison. The poison represents the unreadiness for a child to know the things of adults (which in itself is a corrupting agent) + the knowledge that the child is being given by the stranger, the knowledge itself being corrupt in nature and untrue, and not how reality truly functions. Enough knowledge however is given, so that it is rather difficult to immediately falsify it, rather it makes you search for more. Like being led into the forest by the crumbs.

One does not become like Jesus, that just doesn't happen, no one ever did it, in all human history. No one ever defeated death, other than Jesus. Which means that the whole cosmology of "Christ consciousness" is based upon a false premise. Where you are told that you can achieve something, (and whilst you may have experiences of higher consciousness, these experiences themselves do not correlate with the idea of becoming the Creator yourself), but in truth the whole purpose is to take real experiences and to combine them with false teachings, which lead you in a direction of destruction.

I've seen people go down these routes, and to be honest, it gets to the point where they are celebrating being abducted, having implants, doing covert sabotage, having hybrid alien babies and all kinds of really strange and inhumane things. And they can't tell the difference any more between right and wrong, precisely because the teachings they are following are constantly reinforcing this idea in their minds that there is no right and wrong. All of those individuals, they talk about Christ consciousness and alien-consciousness and how to integrate oneself into it. They also talk about how the higher self always orchestrates such experiences for higher learning. But to be honest, it's almost like listening to victims of Stockholm syndrome.

(07-01-2017, 09:22 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Possessing the Christ consciousness is something attainable but not in the context that you described. It's not some walking on water nonsense. It's the ability to love and accept all. To be the love and light that the creator created with. You can't become the creator because we already ARE the creator. There's nothing to reach for when one realizes that they already are what they seekto attain. 

(07-01-2017, 07:01 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: There is seeking to be surrounded by the light, and then seeking the darkness to find the light within.

The light is always within if you allow it to exist. Otherwise it becomes furthering oneself from one's center, rather than going back to the center. This does not mean to go to a happy place anywhere but within. If you encounter people asking to avoid negative subjects, then their sovereignty within their heart isn't lit, it's just pretend.