Koolaid Wrote:You always read about wanderers being entities coming from a higher density to help others. Well is there ever any instances of negatively polarized higher density beings coming back to a lower density to make life easier for themselves? Or to make it easier to control, conquer, etc?

LoO,BookII,Session48 Wrote:Ra: In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. There are very, very few fifth-density negative Wanderers for they fear the forgetting.

(02-05-2009, 05:30 AM)ayadew Wrote: I don't even know if you can convert in this density, if such even matters to my rightful density. I'll notice, I guess...

Quote:Ra, Book IV, Session 89

Questioner: What techniques did the two negatively harvested entities use for negative polarization upon such a positively polarized planet [i.e., Venus]?

Ra: I am Ra. The technique of control over others and domination unto the physical death was used in both cases. Upon a planetary influence much unused to slaughter these entities were able to polarize by this means. upon your third-density environment at the time of your experiencing such
entities would merely be considered, shall we say, ruthless despots which waged the holy war.

Questioner: Did these two entities evolve from the second density of the planet Venus along with the rest of the population of Venus that became Ra from second density to third?

Ra: I am Ra. No.

Questioner: What was the origin of the two entities of which you speak?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities were Wanderers from early positive fifth
density.

Questioner: And though they had already evolved through a positive fourth density they, shall we say, switched polarity in the reincarnating in third density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Quote:Ra Book I, Session 19

Questioner: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to change paths at any time and possibly retrace steps, the path changing being more difficult the farther along the path the change is made. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have.

Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern.

(02-06-2009, 09:17 PM)Phoenix Wrote: I've heard people speak ill of hidden hand in a way that perfectly corresponds to my understanding of negative density. Having read a link on llresearch called 'are you seeking the light or dancing with the dark,' and then read as people on the divine cosmos forum said that they had once loved hidden hand but now believe it negative and I quote 'Why would a negative entity spend so much time preaching positive values'.

Isn't it interesting that the 'Illuminati' for lack of a better term, are likely stacked with density vibrations of late third and early fourth, whereas the normal population has a few, more than a few, sixth density wanderers in it. They're ideas of superiority are vastly misplaced.

(03-10-2009, 06:42 PM)ubergud Wrote: Perhaps I am too curious for my own good, or have too much of a Socratic bent, but I kind of wonder why? It is the why that drives me ... why would One have need of a system of STS / STO. I examine the 'insanity' of the world through my two portholes and recognize great seas of turmoil. I also see and sometimes find myself in the eye of the hurricane of events arrayed through the channels of mass media. In a pragmatic world, it seems all these problems are simple (or able to be simplified). It is as if the illusion of space and time actually creates the problems.

i.e. if not bound by space and time, what of the worlds problems wouldn't be solvable?
i.e. if we all focused on the same problem(s), what of the worlds problems couldn't be solved?
i.e. if we all took note of the root problems and focused on them, what of the worlds problems couldn't be solved?

Perhaps I am of the Brotherhood of Sorrow, cause it *seems* *soooo* easy ... but it seems we fall so easily into the traps of authority. The mass media throws a new 'ism' or 'ist' into the mix and we all begin a sort of wave of energy by reading and parroting instead of thinking and questioning. Socialism/ist, Communism/ist, Racism/ist, Sexism/ist, Facism/ist, Terrorism/ist. Even here [STO/STS], another polarization. Hellooo I'll just say it:

1. Get rid of money.
2. Love yourself / others.
3. Do not judge yourself / others.

Oh no, a global commune ... then we'll be learning the same language (or telepathy) to communicate ... then we'll discover energy is free and abundant ... oh no ... then we could ... we could not need a corporate system to feed us and protect us ... ahhhhh!

On paper 2/3 would take care of 1, but I believe 1 (and surrounding systems) is the largest [elephant in the livingroom] catalyst generating polarization. But what is it for ... this polarization? To choose? Bah ... why?

In a finite world [all is one, but just ever-changing] polarization under a veil seems like a game to alleviate the boredom of omnipotence. Maybe I'll be the first one in line for a blue pill ... but not until I take the red one ... is there a green one?

There ... is that STS or STO? I don't know or care really ... cause in my heart I'd already be in the aforementioned commune having coffee and reading a book ... *gasp* ... but who'd write it ... hmmm ...

(03-10-2009, 11:54 PM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote: I would love for all to extend their open palms and greet their neighbors with Love. Love your neighbor all across the world in every home and in every neighborhood as if you were loving the creator within and throughout and around... This is my dream. For all to drop their isms and Hug each other.

fairyfarmgirl

(03-10-2009, 09:24 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: You forget one thing. The creator seeks to know itself. you are part of the creator. Therefore catalyst is necessary. Also, for #2 to happen, the whole population would have to be STO. I do hope your dream comes true! It is a dream of mine as well and many others I'm sure.

(02-11-2009, 04:44 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I remember the story recounted by Ra about the STO Wanderers who came here to help, but ended up forcing their ways on the unsuspecting populace, and ended up switching to STS. (I think maybe it was on Venus?)

Don asked how they felt when they awakened in 4D STS. Ra replied "They were disconcerted."

(03-12-2009, 10:16 PM)Metamorpheus Wrote:

(02-11-2009, 04:44 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I remember the story recounted by Ra about the STO Wanderers who came here to help, but ended up forcing their ways on the unsuspecting populace, and ended up switching to STS. (I think maybe it was on Venus?)

Don asked how they felt when they awakened in 4D STS. Ra replied "They were disconcerted."

Goodness! Surely graduation to 4D STS demands more than forcing your opinions on others? I mean, doing so certainly is STS, as is believing you can help others in the first place, but to have achieved the necessary 95% from such? Even Hitler didn't achieve 95% STS...

As for the Hidden Hand material, I believe that it is very impressive and I've recently finished writing a commentary on it for my upcoming website. An important thing we must realise is that whether the true elite are aware of it or not, they are assisting our development regardless. The question of their cognisance is actually irrelevant.

(04-18-2009, 01:57 AM)gharghur Wrote: Nice thread. Hope I'm not too late to the party. Had studied the Hidden Hand Oct '08 post right after it was finished. Was too late to get involved directly. From the tone of the responses, the use of specific words, and the telepathic speed of the answers. I gathered HH lives in Western Europe/Malta, is from a multi-generational 4th/5th density STS line, and is female. She admits to being the chosen spiritual one in her family, and is in constant communication with her master Lucifer. She presents herself, for the most part, honestly and with a bit of humor. But she was not being totally honest. And, she left subtle hints to this in a just few of her responses. Her immediate family is the unseen group that directs the Illuminati (Europe)/ NWO (USA) factions, which are doing their best to turn Earth into a negative 4th density planet. RA mentioned that about 10% of the local galaxy are STS, and 90% STO. Lucifer, btw, is in 6th density.

(04-19-2009, 04:20 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(03-12-2009, 10:16 PM)Metamorpheus Wrote: [quote='Bring4th_Monica' pid='1232' dateline='1234341873']

Regarding Hidden Hand and other negative elites, I agree that, in the long run, everything does eventually work for good. After all, isn't that the purpose of catalyst, and therefore the STS path itself, in the first place?

However, part of the challenge to responding to catalyst lies in recognizing its polarity, and making our choice as to what we will resonate with. The fact that all will be harmonized in the higher densities does not negate our task in 3D (Density of Choice), which is to choose STS or STO.

Hence, I think it's important to choose carefully that which we accept as guiding principles. The challenge, and perhaps even danger, of deeply exploring STS sources of info, is that they often have mixed polarity messages, and we don't always distinguish them.

I question how much of that is really true, and how much of it is embellishment by HH. I've heard lots of people, including many channels, have fantastical stories about the power elite, their sources, aliens, etc. and there is simply no way to validate most of it. Common sense must prevail. Already, when attempts at validation are made with the Law of One as our foundation, we see that much of what HH claims can't be true! For example, the part about Lucifer. Since 6D is past polarity, then Lucifer cannot be the 'master' of a negative entity.

Whenever I hear of anyone using archaic ideas of religious myths as though true, I conclude that they have mixed in a lot of their religious upbringing, given it a New Age twist, and ended up with quite a story. (In Christianity, Lucifer is the bad guy, and HH seems to refer to Lucifer in this context, as though that were fact, instead of a mythological idea.)

(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: Agree, this is the density of choice, of free will, but of confusion as well. The purpose, firstly, is to recognize that there is a choice, and then secondly, to make one and then truly live that choice.

(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: Many never even make it to the first step because they are unaware, and even impeded from recognizing, that a choice is to be made.

(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: This is not a catalyst, it's an STS detour into their maze. The catalyst arrives when one recognizes that much of what they were programmed to believe was indeed misinformation. And even then, only after great personal effort are the layers of the lie revealed.

(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: HH was very good at mixing negative messages with a positive twist. Much more so than our politicians. It takes some discernment to understand which is which, and what is truth and fiction. Certainly, this type of work is not recommended unless they have some experience in dealing with a truly 95% STS entity.

(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: Much of what HH presented fit with my understanding of what is transpiring. In fact, she opened up some avenues of further investigation which led to further discoveries. In regard to Lucifer. Ra is not an individual, it is the sound vibration of a STO social memory complex. Polarity still exists in early 6th density. Lucifer is a STS social memory complex. Suggest applying discernment before discarding mythology as purely myth. 75,000 years is a very long time, and most of it has been lost or hidden, except for the last 5,000 years, which is in itself a biased history.

(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: Ra mentions the Sons of Lucifer when referring to the Orion STS entities within the etheral planes of this planet. Ra refers to this from time to time, but refuses to expand upon it as to not interfere. But there is much more said between the lines than within Ra's compliant words. They are here, they are in control, and they are impeding the spiritual progress of billions. And they will be exposed!
Namaste