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Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - EvolvingPhoenix - 12-05-2018 Sorry guys, I haven't read the Law of One material fully. So I wouldn't know, but I was wondering if committing suicide makes an otherwise harvestable entity non-harvestable. Like For instance, Don Elkins. He committed a lot of good in his life and performed a lot of high service to others. But he also committed suicide. Does this mean he has to repeat 3rd density? OR does he get to go back to his Social Memory Complex now that he's dead? RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - EvolvingPhoenix - 12-05-2018 Hmm... It's looking like a repeat of 3rd density becomes necessary after suicide: "69.6 ▶ Questioner: Do I understand, then, that death, whether it is by natural means or accidental death or suicide, all deaths of this type would create the same after-death condition which would avail an entity to its protection from friends? Is this correct? Ra: I am Ra. We presume you mean to inquire whether in the death experience, no matter what the cause, the negative friends are not able to remove an entity. This is correct largely because the entity without the attachment to the space/time physical complex is far more aware and without the gullibility which is somewhat the hallmark of those who love wholeheartedly. However, the death, if natural, would undoubtedly be the more harmonious; the death by murder being confused and the entity needing some time/space in which to get its bearings, so to speak; the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self." Please correct me if I'm wrong... RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - MangusKhan - 12-05-2018 I don't think Don's suicide can really be compared to the majority of suicides. He was already an older gentleman and had to a large extent completed his life's mission (to bring the Ra material to earth). It is always dependent on circumstance whether or a decision is the "right decision". Generally speaking, I think the entity who dies by suicide would not be harvestable. One who is endowed with the level of faith and perseverance necessary for harvest would not likely die by that cause. More likely is it that a harvestable entity would die by murder than suicide. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - ada - 12-05-2018 http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1987/1987_0621.pdf
(Jim channeling)
I am Q’uo, and greet each again in love and light. At this time we would offer ourselves in the capacity of attempting to respond to queries which those present may find have risen in the mind. As always, we remind each that we give but our opinion and wish that to be understood in order that we may speak freely without overweighing any consideration. May we ask if there is a query with which we may begin? J: Yes, I have a question. It goes along the lines of the words that were just delivered. I’ve heard a lot of different things about the thought of the person [that] “takes their own life.” Some people seem to think that you hardly have a right to do that, and that you build up an awful lot of extra lessons, if you will, that you have to learn, as karma as some people want to call it, crime and punishment, however you want to view it. But I’ve heard other schools of thought that say that a person, since they are in charge of their own life and responsible for it, and a portion of the Creator, if you determine that that’s the end of it, you’ve done all you can here, you are justified, or you’ve had the right to go ahead and get out of this life. Like I say, I’ve heard that both ways, and I tend to sort of lean toward the last one, but then again my gut feeling, my emotions, would sort of make me afraid to do something like that for fear that I would have to come back and learn a lot of things over again. Can you comment? And is the answer to that maybe just dependent upon the person’s belief system, maybe it’s that sort of thing? I am Q’uo, and to answer in a general fashion is misleading, for each entity is one which pursues a course of learning which has been determined by that entity’s higher self to be appropriate, each course being pursued within the confines of what you call an incarnation, where the scope or reach of view and experience is limited by birth and death and the veil which separates the conscious and unconscious minds. Thus, it is not so much the act itself within any one incarnation which carries the potential of building a momentum or bias which needs to be balanced at some point within another incarnation that is of importance, but the biasing or building of momentum itself, no matter what the action is which builds this momentum. For each entity within each incarnation seeks to pursue an exploration of the creation of the one Creator in a fashion which in a cumulative sense throughout all incarnations shall build as a structure of the soul, a foundation and framework which is balanced in nature, in order that the further evolutionary process may be constructed upon firm ground and partake of a symmetrical strength that reflects the wholeness and balance of creation. Thus does each individualized portion of the Creator reflect the wholeness and balance of the one Creator. The entity within any incarnation is the one Creator with the full rights and responsibilities, shall we say, that one may ascribe to such a portion of All That Is. It may be, however, that when one leaves the boundaries of the incarnational experience, that the increased ability to view that which has come before and that which shall proceed from the incarnation will present to the entity a picture which will convince it that certain actions and thoughts within the incarnation are in need of further balancing experience or that which you call the karma. Thus, it may not be said with definite surety that any one Sunday Meditation, June 21, 1987 © 2006 L/L Research 4 action or even a series of actions or thoughts will guarantee that there will be the building of the momentum or karma that must be balanced within a future incarnation, for it may well be that such actions or thoughts are themselves the balance to previous ones which now in a completed sense will allow the entity to pursue further lessons in other areas. May we speak further, my brother? J: No, thank you. Thank you very much Carla: Maybe I didn’t understand you correctly. You said it depends upon the circumstance a little bit whether taking your own life would be balanced or imbalanced. And it just seems to me that any time you took your own life it would be a definite embracing of the path of that which is not, and therefore it would be an unbalanced act. You’re saying, then, that there are balanced suicides, are you not? I am Q’uo, and we mean to leave the room for the possibilities that in some cases this is so. However, in the general run of the third-density incarnational experience, your assumption concerning the nature of the taking of one’s own life is correct in that it is a partaking in that separation of self from the incarnation which reflects the path of that which is not, and this path in its final form pulls that which is and there must eventually be the balanced point of view which the building of the karmic momentum will necessitate within a future, as you would call it, incarnational experience. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - Glow - 12-05-2018 I am also not sure that quote is addressing wanderers or 3d natives. Also even at Don's death there was an intention to serve so I do not think it is really something we can read one line or two out of context and speculate on. https://www.bring4th.org/archive.php?uid=214&catid=1&m=11&d=7&y=2018 Not sure if you saw the link in another thread. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - EvolvingPhoenix - 12-05-2018 Thank you both for sharing. These were wonderfully intriguing reads which gave me a deeper understanding of Don Elkins' suicide. If Don killed himself to save Carla from being displaced into negative time/space, then I can see how he would get to move back into his SMC after his death. And I understand the worry, as I myself have worried much about negative time/space displacement. This is why I do not want to become a channeler. the thought that such a thing could happen scares the s*** outta me. I don't blame Don one bit for what he did. Given that harvest is now, but humanity has another few hundred years before becoming a 4th density species, I wonder if a being committing suicide in this density would get a chance to repeat 3rd density on Earth or if this would be the last chance they get on Earth? RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - Patrick - 12-05-2018 I would say that in the majority of cases, suicide done just to escape your current incarnation would be counterproductive. Chances are that the catalysts you wanted to experience in this life are going to be pretty much the same ones for your next incarnation. Same issues/difficulties, etc... You would pretty much only change the background decor where it all unfolds. That said, I do not believe it has a great incidence on polarity/harvestability. It always depends on intentions and intentions are nearly impossible to judge from another's perspective. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - GentleReckoning - 12-06-2018 Since it's an act of pure selfishness, I've figured that it actually allows the individual much greater choice in their next incarnation. Thus when Ra says that entities never commit suicide twice in a row, it's because they're getting to view/act out their primal arguments or logoi in either light or shadow at 100%. It's like: "Here ya go. This is you. Enjoy!" The potential scary part being that acting it out in shadow would mean that you got to see your desires expressed in others. As far as 4th density harvest, that's just reaching a point of submission to the All-heart so that your entire life becomes a theater show. This because our level of technology removes all real need for competition and striving from the soul. So it's goodbye 3rd Density, hello heart based reality! So I assume the 200 years would be the amount of time for humanity to reach a level of totality in regards to treating itself kindly and holistically when it comes to re-habilitation and disease. This removing any necessity for -4D as once treatment reaches a point of 'good enough', then humanity will just science it to it's red-line. The goal then being to make sure that all healing modalities are presented to their fullest extent before this point occurs. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - EvolvingPhoenix - 12-06-2018 (12-06-2018, 12:01 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote: Since it's an act of pure selfishness, I've figured that it actually allows the individual much greater choice in their next incarnation. Thus when Ra says that entities never commit suicide twice in a row, it's because they're getting to view/act out their primal arguments or logoi in either light or shadow at 100%. It's like: "Here ya go. This is you. Enjoy!" Where does Ra say that entities never commit suicide twice in a row? RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - GentleReckoning - 12-06-2018 I'd have to look it up. It's been a couple years since I went through the material. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - GentleReckoning - 12-06-2018 the making of a dedication to the third density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self. I assumed a rededication to third density would strongly indicate a very very reduced chance at suicide. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - RitaJC - 12-06-2018 (12-06-2018, 12:01 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote: Since it's an act of pure selfishness Have you ever been on that brink? I suppose not. Because in many, if not most cases, the entity believes to be serving others by leaving the incarnation. As did Don, by the way. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - GentleReckoning - 12-06-2018 Probably fully sto or sts. I knew I had done my work, and had already started having visions of future incarnations. Every attempt to teach others had caused immediate manifestation of abundance blocks, so I figured that the Earth didn't want me. Or wasn't ready. People would ground out karma via their physical bodies extremely rapidly, and then would avoid me after. Much of people's lives are built on lies, and is that's what they wanted, it was fine by me. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - unity100 - 12-06-2018 Suicide does not have a particular significance for the harvest. It has a lot of importance with the spiritual journey and development of the entity itself. Suicide generally aborts the incarnation, causing what specific experiences and lessons the entity has planned for this incarnation. They will have to be repeated. Harvest or no harvest. Therefore, if the entity has planned experiences and lessons which will make it harvestable upon natural death, but aborts the incarnation through suicide, then the planned experiences are missed. Therefore the entity will probably be un-harvestable due to not fulfilling the requirements due to skipped lessons. If the entity is harvestable or the entity was harvested in another life already, suicide doesnt need to have a specific relevance to harvest. In all cases, the entity will not only need to heal, but also will have to repeat what experiences and lessons it skipped. On these points, its never necessary to commit suicide - higher resources of an entity are able to arrange the entity to leave a physical incarnation, if these choices and options were not built into the incarnation plan before incarnation already. Infinity doesnt keep anything in places that they are unfit to be in. Its the nature of energy. If the vibrational model of an entity doesnt fit a particular space and time point, if the entity does really want to leave that point, it will leave that point. The best thing to do is not moving out, but moving forward while having faith in oneself and one's higher resources - all the way up to the infinity. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - EternalLove - 12-07-2018 (12-05-2018, 06:57 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: Sorry guys, I haven't read the Law of One material fully. In reality, you harvest yourself if you commit suicide. Every death is considered a harvest on a micro scale. Thus you are always harvestable. The Planetary Harvest is not one of death and destruction. It will be a harvest where people will receive illumination and kill their old spiritual self by choosing Unity over Individuality. First however, the world must realize that they are One and come to the aid of of their brothers and sisters who have been born in less fortunate area's on this planet. All that needed is the voice of Unity from all over the world. There is no need for bloodshed. The powers in charge want us to speak out. They screw the world over because the world is stubborn. That is their way of teaching how to become smarter. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - Cainite - 12-08-2018 (12-05-2018, 08:13 PM)Glow Wrote: I am also not sure that quote is addressing wanderers or 3d natives. That took me for quite a ride. thanks for sharing the link. I'm pretty sure some entity intensifies all the negativity going on in my mind in the nights I become suicidal. Like last night. Also I'm being shown a particularly horrible image in my mind. RE: Does commiting suicide make you non-harvestable? - Nau7ik - 12-08-2018 I think that it really depends on the state of mind in which one commits suicide. But even that, I don’t know. There was a particular German general, General Erwin Rommel. He was a great man. He always saw himself to work for Germany but not the Third Reich. Anyway, after the failed Valkyrie assassination plot, Rommel was condemned as a traitor. He was given a choice by the higher ups because he was a well renowned and much loved general: either kill yourself or we imprison and torture your family. The Nazis persecuted the families of convicted or suspected traitors. He chose to kill himself in favor of any harm coming to his family. He sacrificed himself for others. |