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In regards to discussing meta-information - Foha - 01-30-2019

I promise the title of this thread will make more sense by the end of this post.
It is difficult to describe, and I'd like to establish some context.

If you would like to skip ahead, scroll down to the TLDR at the end of this post.



First, some back-story to what led to the conversation involving "meta-information" and the veil:

I am starting to become close friends with someone I met a couple months ago, and we disagree about many topics.
In a short couple of months, we are considering to work on a team together in our free-time.

This is a drastic change in dynamics. I am trying to illustrate why the conversation mentioned later in this post is unique.


The first time they earned a lot of my respect was when I realized they were open about absolutely everything.
For example, their:
  • sexuality
  • controversial opinions
  • etc.
I struggle with these most in the order I wrote them, but mostly because of my lack of [internal] understanding.
I do not understand these aspects of myself very well, and with [full disclosure] chosen to be defensive about my flaws rather than taking the full brunt of reality's karmic lessons for fear of losing friends.


The second time they earned a lot of respect from me was when insisting, "Discussion is important."

As a quick aside:
Just because this new friend earned a lot of my respect doesn't mean we relate easily. Quite the contrary.
Her and I often do not see eye-to-eye on things. It is safe to say we most often strongly disagree about things in regards to opinions and views.
She feels it is important enough to continue discussing these things, though, for the fact there's a great deal of understanding to be gained from these discussions.

So...

I have always been stubborn to just give up on having differences with others... I have often refused to settle an argument by agreeing to some kind of "truce of silence" (instead of getting to understand their views).

It is rare to find someone else that is willing to sit through the painful process of strongly disagreeing with someone. Right there is where it became clear that this might become a very good friendship.


One of my strongest passions is to better understand the nature of reality, and have always been attracted to the esoteric, "meta" behind existence and experience.
Whether or not this is my calling is unknown to me.
Her passions are different, so who am I to nudge her in the wrong direction?

Topics I've always felt strongly attracted to are:
  1. Philosophy
  2. Consciousness
  3. Occult
  4. Paranormal/Unexplainable experiences
and more...

But these topics are numbered in terms of how comfortable they are when discussing them with others. (The lower the number meaning the most comfortable.)
I also want to mention that when I start to get on topics in these categories, I find myself gravitating to aspects more associated with things below them in the list.
This results in either an uncomfortable conversation involving disparate stances or views of how life or reality is. This is also difficult to handle simply because I try my hardest to make my opinions and facts in my head as flexible as possible in a world dealing with only temporary, fleeting experiences.




Now to establish context for my stance on the matter:

In this life, I have often received harsh, karmic consequences for discussing about [and experimenting with] occult or paranormal information in public or with friends.
So when my new friend and I began visiting on these topics in discussion, I was surprised to hear her ask if I am being literal or not in my analogies and illustrative writing when describing my opinions about things.
And I pause to check whether or not some of this information has slipped, or if I failed them in any way.

To better describe the dread in wronging them by touching on topics further down that list: I am afraid to nudge someone off-course in their life mission.
So, just now I tried hard to channel my very best skill in explaining why this topic isn't worth diverging onto if she has other passions right now.

We both are interested in specific talents/areas in game-dev in the hopes to deliver a message invoking feelings and emotions well to an audience.
(This is ultimately why I feel like I am not ready yet to devote myself to a life of study of Life and the Way.)



TLDR; And, here is a quote I was wanting to share:

When trying to illustrate my stance to my friend, I feel that my eloquence was higher than it's typically been, and decided to share it with you guys.
I try to illustrate background and context for those interested, and is why I made this TLDR.

Quote:I want to emphasize my opinion on living
living feels more like a word to describe how one lives
not what they ultimately end up doing
and to point out that in this experience as humans, close to nothing is permanent, and almost everything is temporary
I want that to be the frame around the understanding of what life is ultimately for
if life was a painting
it should be as beautiful as it can be
and it can also be learned from
take from it what you want
but you are the painter



RE: In regards to discussing meta-information - Foha - 01-30-2019

Oh, I think this excerpt might also lend to the quote.

I paraphrased a story I was told by a friend I learned a lot from:

Quote:there's an accomplished painter
he is very good at his craft: making realistic pieces
however, as a person he's miserable
He's incredibly alone, so he spends a lot of time painting beautiful women
He has never really had a romantic relationship, but always has wanted one
a wise man visits the painter
he compliments the painter's skills
"these women are very beautiful"
and the painter laments that he wishes he could meet someone romantically and get to know them
and live a long life together
the man thought carefully and suggested to the painter:
"the world is more what you expect"
and points out the stories the painter revealed to him of being rejected countless times
"all your paintings of beautiful women show them looking away, looking at something else"
the painter looked around and noticed that all the women he painted never look directly at the viewer
"all the women in your paintings ... do any of them ever smile at you?"
and the painter admits that this isn't the case
the wise man says, "You know, if even in your fantasies and dreams you expect women to be this way, you will surely miss your chance when you find the right one"
and so the wise man suggested to the painter, that when he paints a beautiful woman
to try to paint her looking directly at the viewer
and with earnest interest
maybe with a coy, playful look
something more positive, is all he suggests
and the painter agrees
the wise man leaves, and comes back years later
the painter has a wife and started a family
the painter recounted that months after making more positive paintings, he eventually met the love of his life
but insists that the woman to become his wife was nothing like he imagined
the wise man suggested, "you don't bring your paintings to life, but you make them more possible"



RE: In regards to discussing meta-information - MangusKhan - 01-30-2019

I will be honest Dan, I don't really understand the purpose of this thread. I'm glad you met a nice girl though. Whether you just want friendship or something more, I'm happy for you. Heart


RE: In regards to discussing meta-information - Foha - 02-01-2019

(01-30-2019, 07:16 PM)MangusKhan Wrote: I will be honest Dan, I don't really understand the purpose of this thread. I'm glad you met a nice girl though. Whether you just want friendship or something more, I'm happy for you. Heart

It has nothing to do with meeting the opposite sex.

It has to do with sharing information about esoteric information that might distract a normal person from their life mission.
Specifically, how to be careful so I don't distract a person from fulfilling their life-mission with esoteric information, which might seem really exciting, interesting, and full of gravity/weight since it has to do with "meta" topics like where we go after we die and how karma works... People literally build religions around these topics, and make extreme decisions all the time regarding this kind of information, so I just wanted to be careful.

The topic I'm trying to discuss is how to better go about dealing with an interest in this sort of subject.
Specifically when someone starts to really get to know you ... and your interests.

A question I've been asking myself is whether or not I should hide that interest from others for their own sake.
I take it very seriously...

I also try to explain how this is difficult for other reasons, too. I am deeply interested in these topics, and yet I feel like I can't talk about them (as one example).

I wanted to give good context, but I may have made it more confusing...



I promised it would make sense, and I feel it does. I'm not sure how to help.

If this doesn't clarify things, I will take this as a hint and just stop trying.


RE: In regards to discussing meta-information - MangusKhan - 02-03-2019

(02-01-2019, 08:21 PM)Foha Wrote:
(01-30-2019, 07:16 PM)MangusKhan Wrote: I will be honest Dan, I don't really understand the purpose of this thread. I'm glad you met a nice girl though. Whether you just want friendship or something more, I'm happy for you. Heart

It has nothing to do with meeting the opposite sex.

It has to do with sharing information about esoteric information that might distract a normal person from their life mission.
Specifically, how to be careful so I don't distract a person from fulfilling their life-mission with esoteric information, which might seem really exciting, interesting, and full of gravity/weight since it has to do with "meta" topics like where we go after we die and how karma works... People literally build religions around these topics, and make extreme decisions all the time regarding this kind of information, so I just wanted to be careful.

The topic I'm trying to discuss is how to better go about dealing with an interest in this sort of subject.
Specifically when someone starts to really get to know you ... and your interests.

A question I've been asking myself is whether or not I should hide that interest from others for their own sake.
I take it very seriously...

I also try to explain how this is difficult for other reasons, too. I am deeply interested in these topics, and yet I feel like I can't talk about them (as one example).

I wanted to give good context, but I may have made it more confusing...



I promised it would make sense, and I feel it does. I'm not sure how to help.

If this doesn't clarify things, I will take this as a hint and just stop trying.

I get it now. Sorry, that first post was a lot to digest. I don't think you should worry too much about the infringements on others that might come from discussing these things. If they're interested, great. More likely is that they simply won't be, if I call upon my personal experience. Unless you are in some kind of authority position with potential for abuse, I can't imagine the discussion of these topics doing any harm. You can say (or write) words to people, but if it doesn't resonate, if they're not open to it, then it will be like water off a duck's back.

Personally I won't talk about the meta-information, as you call it, unless another person initiates the discussion. I feel like it's a pretty dry thing to talk about, and maybe makes the other person think you are overly cerebral. To quote a female friend, "take this philosophy dick out of my ear".