(03-28-2019, 04:53 PM)anagogy Wrote: I concur with Infinite. The author offered a mixmash of information sewn together from the Ra material and the Cassiopeia material. It isn't real in my opinion.

(03-28-2019, 06:33 PM)Infinite Wrote:

(03-28-2019, 04:53 PM)anagogy Wrote: I concur with Infinite. The author offered a mixmash of information sewn together from the Ra material and the Cassiopeia material. It isn't real in my opinion.

Yep. Including, there are informations of HH which aren't consonant with LOO. For example, he/she said the STS path goes until the fourth density.

Now, an off-topic question: what you think about Cassiopeia material? I started read the first volume but I dropped. Much bullshit about conspiracies and we know that apocalyptica messages are STS tactics to detune STO channels. And Ouija is not trustworthy anyway.

(03-28-2019, 06:58 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: I must've missed hat part. Where does he say that again?

Quote:ATS: Do the Orion/occultist groups specifically target civilizations before they become a social memory complex.

HH: Yes, but that does not make them immune to targeting others too, if they allow any chinks to appear in their armour. In short, the Orion Empire are 4th Density Negative. They are "lost" in the sense that they have drifted so far from their true nature, that despite many attempts, we have been unable to reach them, and help them to develop. They exist within their Group Soul Complex, mostly as a group of discarnate entities, within the Astral Planes of the planets they visit. They have no intention of 'returning Home', and instead seek to feed off of Negative Energy, to keep themselves going, as they are disconnected from their inherent natural Life-Force, by refusing to abide by the Infinite Creator's Incarnational Principles.

The time we spend between lives in time/space, is intended to restore our Soul Energy from within, in order to continue our upward progression. They are essentially 'imprisoned' within the 4th Density Negative cycle, as there is no Negative Harvest beyond the 4th Density. So they spend their time traveling the Galaxy, basically 'using the dark side of the Force' (Negativity) to achieve their means. They will eventually be brought back before the One Infinite Creator, and dissolved back into the Intelligent infinity (Source of All), though they are being given every chance for as long as possible, to learn the error of their ways, and return to seeking the Positive, and to begin their journey back Home. They main trouble is, they do not want to go Home. They see themselves as being 'gods', and do not intend to submit to the authority of The One.

(03-28-2019, 04:42 PM)Infinite Wrote: I just don't think HH trustworthy.

(03-28-2019, 06:33 PM)Infinite Wrote: Now, an off-topic question: what you think about Cassiopeia material? I started read the first volume but I dropped. Much bullshit about conspiracies and we know that apocalyptica messages are STS tactics to detune STO channels.

(03-28-2019, 06:33 PM)Infinite Wrote: And Ouija is not trustworthy anyway.

(03-29-2019, 03:22 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Anagogy,

Does this mean if we get a reading from a psychic, we shouldn't focus on transient information like how we're doing spiritually?
Because the angel reader might get negative information?
What if they've been doing it for 15 years? I know they can still get negatively influenced, and I know negative beings are clever.
What types of questions should one ask a psychic?

(03-29-2019, 02:22 AM)anagogy Wrote: I would say, don't necessarily blame the Ouija for bad information as it is just a tool for getting the conscious ego out of the way.

(03-29-2019, 05:05 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: When I meditate and go within, should I avoid focusing on transient questions too?
Like I shouldn't ask whether this psychic lady I'll be talking to later today is trustworthy.

Because maybe you can get negative influences through meditation too.

(03-28-2019, 04:30 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: So I was re-reading the Hidden Hand material today (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_55.htm) and in it, Hidden Hand has this to say about Wanderers during Harvest:

"ATS: Please explain the wanderer’s roles and what value it is to be wanderer if you have no recollection of ones past lives. Also how does this play with the law of non-intervention (that’s if they are here to help people ).

HH: The Wanderers, (or 'Travelers' as they are also known) are those from Higher Densities, who have chosen to incarnate here at this time, in order to perfect Service to Others. They still have to 'remember who they are', and part of the concern, is that sometimes, even they do not manage to awaken in the Game, such is the power of the Illusion.



They are here to awaken themselves, and then to help awaken others to prepare for the coming Great Harvest. Though even if they fail to awaken, they are not bound by the 3rd Density Cycle, as they've already mastered it. Once their incarnation is over, they are again free to return to their appropriate levels."

So according to Hidden Hand, by default, even if a Wanderer doesn't reach 51%+ positive polarity, they may still return to their density. So the question then becomes two-fold:

How trustworthy is the Hidden Hand material?
and
Am I a wanderer?

Personally, I trust the HH material as legit, seeing as it goes with the LOO material and explains a lot.

Still not sure if I'm a Wanderer though. I sure would like to find out.


Anyway, that's just my 2 cents. What do you guys think?

(03-29-2019, 02:22 AM)anagogy Wrote: Why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the One Creator? This is the message we bring. Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness."

(04-14-2019, 05:33 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: My desires are more earthly. I want more connection with others, more friends, more of a social life, a girlfriend... So simple, yet it all seems so out of reach. Hopefully that's more of an illusion than it seems.

(04-17-2019, 09:28 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: Wow, you make it sound like this really sublime thing. Thanks for validating the desire I have. Hopefully, I can manifest these desires as realities.

(04-18-2019, 11:33 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: If we miss the mark so much, do we even have a chance at being saved from our imperfections?

Quote:
Sunday Meditation

May 22, 1994

Group question: The question this afternoon has to do with wanderers. What does Q’uo have to say to those who have discovered that they are wanderers to be of service to others and what would Q’uo have to say to those wanderers who have not discovered that they are wanderers?

(Carla channeling)

We are Q’uo. Greetings in the love and in the light of the one infinite Creator. We thank you for calling us to your circle of seeking. It is our great privilege to share our thoughts with you on the subject of wanderers. As we speak, please feel free to take those thoughts which appeal and leave others behind, for we are not without error and would not wish to be a stumbling block in your path.

We are aware that this instrument has been much concerned with this subject. We would express to this instrument that it would aid the contact were the instrument to completely release the fear of contributing too much to the channeling. This is not a problem from our point of view, and the releasing of worrying would relax the instrument and improve the contact. We also would say, before we continue with this subject, that the one known as Hatonn is with this group this particular day as there is a desire for this entity’s basic vibrations which will be imprinted upon the tape.

When the term “wanderer” is used the basic meaning of this word is that one is traveling without reference to a goal or destination. There is, implicit in this term, a feeling or emotional/mental mindset of aloneness, restlessness, shared solitude, and indifferent scenery. The winds blow cold and harshly for the wanderer. The sun beats down mercilessly for the wanderer. Few there are who use that term who feel that it is desirable to be a wandering spirit. All of the third-density instinct is towards putting down the roots, securing the home, and protecting the home and family. The wanderer is uprooted when gazed at in the cultural context that you enjoy upon your sphere. Therefore, it is natural that this term be chosen as descriptive of those who have come into the Earth’s sphere of influence and incarnated to become as one with all citizens of your Earth.

So, at the heart of being a wanderer is that feeling of dislocation, of being in the world but not of the world in which you find yourselves. Because this situation seems full of discomfort many who have wandered here are simply miserable without finding any comfort. To respond to that need for comforting some who have responded have leaned in their discussions heavily towards comforting wanderers by encouraging a sense of separation from native Earth humans. We do not encourage this line of thought because each wanderer, in coming into your Earth’s sphere of influence, took upon it the responsibility of citizenship of this Earth. As much as any other native inhabitant, wanderers will be expected to walk the steps of light when this incarnational experience is at an end, and, just as much as any native inhabitant of Earth, if the steps are walked to a point of comfort within third density the wanderer shall not return to its home vibratory nexus but, rather, shall continue in third density until graduation is achieved.

Therefore, we greatly encourage all wanderers to take up the burden of a dual existence, for that is precisely why you have put yourselves to this task. As difficult and disagreeable as it sometimes is to live with this double vibratory pattern, this difficulty is worthwhile and one hundred times worthwhile, for the basic vocation of every wanderer is to bear witness to the light and the love of the one infinite Creator. Therefore, the life may be seen to be full of everyday matters, yet offer ample time and space for the spiritual vocation to which wanderers have called themselves, that of bearing witness.

And how does a wanderer bear this witness? It might seem that witnesses are best when they are expressing by words that witness to which they hew, yet this actually is not so. Rather, wanderers may best bear witness by being most fully themselves, for it is the basic vibratory complex carried in the violet ray by each wanderer that is witness by its very essence. Therefore, the wanderer’s job in everyday affairs is to keep the channel of selfhood and essence clean, clear and pellucid. This is in many ways a passive spiritual vocation. It is easier to make the mistake of attempting to speak this witness and not being understood or of service than to refrain from some activity and, therefore, fail to bear witness.

The planetary consciousness is drinking in your essence. It is lightening the planetary vibration and is acting as an ameliorator of birth pangs within the planet itself and within the great congregation of entities which now approach your millennium. Inconvenient and difficult times beckon. Within these confusing times the silent witness of being shall more and more be needed as the planet reaches for a new point of balance.

We encourage each so to arrange the daily habits that the center of being is given respect and pride of place within the daily life. As always, we suggest a daily meditation, a turning in and out of season towards that infinity which is the inarticulated love of the one infinite Creator. The challenge for each wanderer is to be able to dwell in this particular illusion, to enter fully into the processes of becoming a transformation yet remain at the center of being, consciously turning again and again to love itself.

To those who feel somewhat dislocated and alienated by the outward environment but who have not yet decided for sure that they are wanderers we say to each that it is well to act as if you are a wanderer, for that which wanderers came here to do is that which all may help by attempting to do. For at heart, all are wanderers. We, as well as you. All have wandered from that inarticulated love which is the one infinite Creator. We have wandered through many, many creations and have experienced manifestation upon manifestation. Within each place we have found eventually the one infinite Creator, and as we have found the Creator we have felt that homecoming. Yet as soon as that is felt the new challenge arises, the new day dawns, a new lesson is to be learned, and once again the restless wandering begins within.

May each wanderer find comfort in the knowledge that it cannot help contributing positively to the planetary vibration. Even with what seems to be gross mismanagement of time and energy, yet still in that very basic alienated mindset there dwells that vibration which is fuller with light. This very alienation is simply a surface symptom of a deep and spiritual gift. Comfort yourself when the heart is heavy and the feelings bruised with the knowledge that you are being of service. You are doing that which you came to do. You may find ways to do it better, but you are not failing no matter what it seems like.

In the great circle of creation we salute each brave soul who has chosen this sacrificial honor. The one known as Brother Philip has said, “The crown shall weigh heavy upon the head, yet you shall wear it and you shall serve under it.” May this be most truly so for each.

We would, at this time, ask if there are any queries.

(03-28-2019, 04:30 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: So I was re-reading the Hidden Hand material today (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_55.htm) and in it, Hidden Hand has this to say about Wanderers during Harvest:

"ATS: Please explain the wanderer’s roles and what value it is to be wanderer if you have no recollection of ones past lives. Also how does this play with the law of non-intervention (that’s if they are here to help people ).

HH: The Wanderers, (or 'Travelers' as they are also known) are those from Higher Densities, who have chosen to incarnate here at this time, in order to perfect Service to Others. They still have to 'remember who they are', and part of the concern, is that sometimes, even they do not manage to awaken in the Game, such is the power of the Illusion.



They are here to awaken themselves, and then to help awaken others to prepare for the coming Great Harvest. Though even if they fail to awaken, they are not bound by the 3rd Density Cycle, as they've already mastered it. Once their incarnation is over, they are again free to return to their appropriate levels."

So according to Hidden Hand, by default, even if a Wanderer doesn't reach 51%+ positive polarity, they may still return to their density. So the question then becomes two-fold:

How trustworthy is the Hidden Hand material?
and
Am I a wanderer?

Personally, I trust the HH material as legit, seeing as it goes with the LOO material and explains a lot.

Still not sure if I'm a Wanderer though. I sure would like to find out.


Anyway, that's just my 2 cents. What do you guys think?