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Social Networking is like 4D - turtledude23 - 10-18-2010
If you viewed each computer as a mind (they're very similar) then the internet would be like a global telepathic connection. With search engines (Google specifically, their goal is sharing all the worlds information), Wikipedia, Youtube and social networking websites (Facebook, Myspace, etc.) people can share so much more information, both intellectual and personal. Ra says in 4th density everyone knows everything about everyone else, I think we're moving closer to that now in 3rd density. Ra also said the industrial revolution was mainly fueled by wanderers, I assume our technological acceleration since then is thanks largely to wanderers as well. With that being said I wonder if Silicon Valley is filled with them.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - Ali Quadir - 10-19-2010
Basically you're saying the 4d mind is like a 3d mind but with internet.
I think I would disagree. The 4d mind is fundamentally different from the 3d mind. The concepts of self will change radically. Also the concepts of time, physics and psychology. And lastly, the computer isn't a 3d mind, it's 1d consciousness. Not comparable to mind in my humble opinion.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - @ndy - 10-19-2010
I see the internet as an expression of collective consciousness.
I've always thought since a child that humans invent things they should be able to do naturally. Mobile phone, telepathy, internet, flying and such. Didn't Ra suggest that with the *thinking* emmmmm - ape model with opposable thumbs?
The internet to me is an expression of collective consciousness.
I’ve had dreams of what may be 4D
could have been anything though in all honesty! - one thing that stuck me is the total lack of personal boundaries , I don’t think the internet expresses that.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - turtledude23 - 10-19-2010
(10-19-2010, 11:36 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Basically you're saying the 4d mind is like a 3d mind but with internet.
I think I would disagree. The 4d mind is fundamentally different from the 3d mind. The concepts of self will change radically. Also the concepts of time, physics and psychology. And lastly, the computer isn't a 3d mind, it's 1d consciousness. Not comparable to mind in my humble opinion.
I didn't think of that. Well then maybe I should say what humanity is experiencing now with the internet is the closest we have experienced to 4D yet.
(10-19-2010, 04:11 PM)@ndy Wrote: I see the internet as an expression of collective consciousness.
I've always thought since a child that humans invent things they should be able to do naturally. Mobile phone, telepathy, internet, flying and such. Didn't Ra suggest that with the *thinking* emmmmm - ape model with opposable thumbs?
The internet to me is an expression of collective consciousness.
I’ve had dreams of what may be 4D
I also thought about how the technology we invent is based on abilities we should have. I have a theory that dolphins (some thread on this forum says Q'uo said they're 3D beings) have some telepathic communication network that we could compare to our internet, cellphones, instant messaging, etc. except their's is probably better.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - zenmaster - 10-30-2010
Social networking is an information-weak advertisement of people's personality shells. Whereas 4D experience has not only an inherent transparency to soul, but an intersubjective consciousness.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - Ali Quadir - 10-30-2010
Wow, that brilliantly sums it up in a nutshell Zenmaster.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - turtledude23 - 10-30-2010
(10-30-2010, 10:59 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Social networking is an information-weak advertisement of people's personality shells. Whereas 4D experience has not only an inherent transparency to soul, but an intersubjective consciousness.
What do you mean by personality shell?
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - zenmaster - 10-30-2010
(10-30-2010, 12:43 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: What do you mean by personality shell?The idea is that one enters an incarnation with certain biases (a personality shell) helpful for work on a small aspect of a greater, or more whole personality (or soul). It's that which we have given ourselves to work with in 3D. We tend to call this our "ego", but psychological identification is what maintains this structure. The "veil" makes it compelling.
In 4D, the idea is all 3D incarnational experience are available, as integrated memory presumably.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - unity100 - 11-02-2010
internet seems like the opening stages of a society complex.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - Ali Quadir - 11-02-2010
It's certainly helping us on the way to making this world a lot smaller. Here we are laughing and arguing together, most of the time we're ignoring the fact that we're in most cases thousands of miles distant from each other.
20 years ago this would be really mind boggling. Now we've stopped boggling and are apparently getting on with the business of figuring out that people on the other side of the world are pretty much like we are.
I think it's an important step.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - Richard - 11-02-2010
Since none of us actually knows what 4D is like..beyond speculation. A comparison to social networking or the internet in general is not so unthinkable. Sure..maybe it’s a electro-mechnical construct. But it’s a step in the same direction. I purposefully left out “ a step in the right direction” as that remains to be seen. But the net has brought us here…to discuss these concepts from points scattered across the earth and as many cultures. We don’t always agree, but human beings rarely agree on everything anyway.
Not so many years ago..that discusion would have been impossible.
Richard
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - zenmaster - 11-02-2010
(10-19-2010, 04:11 PM)@ndy Wrote: I see the internet as an expression of collective consciousness.
(10-19-2010, 04:11 PM)@ndy Wrote: The internet to me is an expression of collective consciousness.
What do you mean by the term "collective consciousness"? Besides the internet, what is another expression of this collective consciousness?
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - crystl37 - 11-02-2010
I read something a while ago that proposed this: If you looked at a room 20 or even 10 years ago and looked at the exactly same room, same furnishings etc. now would you see anything different? The answer was yes, there is now a data layer connecting everyone on the planet, an invisible layer that did not previously exist.
This made alot of sense to me, and I have come to the conclusion that the 'data layer' is like a tool, or an aid, if you will. I look at it a couple different ways-one way is that we are getting experience or practice in communicating with each other regardless of boundaries imposed by time and distance between. The internet transcends borders and nationalities, we communicate genuinely with other selves, often without having any idea of where they are geographically located or any thing else about them. The other way is that the internet (data-layer) has facilitated gathering of light families. Clearly there are multiple groups and timelines going on during this end of master cycle, the confusion of third density I'm sure has deposited soul mates and eternal family members at opposite ends of the globe, pre-incarnate plans prevented from coming to fruition. I believe that there are important connections to be made during this time of transition, the internet gives us a fighting chance to hook up with our cosmic family members, and to share in the compiled knowledge of humankind, right or wrong, good or bad, its out there for the taking.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - @ndy - 11-03-2010
(11-02-2010, 09:30 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(10-19-2010, 04:11 PM)@ndy Wrote: I see the internet as an expression of collective consciousness.
(10-19-2010, 04:11 PM)@ndy Wrote: The internet to me is an expression of collective consciousness.
What do you mean by the term "collective consciousness"? Besides the internet, what is another expression of this collective consciousness?
I'm not sure I can describe what I mean. Let me try.
It's like you can share consciousness with other people bit like technological way of melding bits of people’s minds.
A mass of thoughts and expressions that you can plug into, ideas can be exchanged, shared built on or just observed, people form groups and communities, friendships. There is humour fun and games - other worlds were you can live in with other people. Space and distance is unimportant the physical body isn't needed in the same way it is to do other things.
Another expression - I'm not sure, I can relate to it in something I've experienced in dreams but not sure how to describe it, a fractal combination of minds
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - zenmaster - 11-03-2010
(11-03-2010, 10:32 AM)@ndy Wrote:Quote:What do you mean by the term "collective consciousness"? Besides the internet, what is another expression of this collective consciousness?
I'm not sure I can describe what I mean. Let me try.
It's like you can share consciousness with other people bit like technological way of melding bits of people’s minds.
A mass of thoughts and expressions that you can plug into, ideas can be exchanged, shared built on or just observed, people form groups and communities, friendships. There is humour fun and games - other worlds were you can live in with other people. Space and distance is unimportant the physical body isn't needed in the same way it is to do other things.
Another expression - I'm not sure, I can relate to it in something I've experienced in dreams but not sure how to describe it, a fractal combination of minds
OK, thanks for the explanation. To me "collective consciousness" implies telepathy. I'm not sure we can actually share consciousness, with ego-driven fears and hopes in the way. These two things tend to become the focus of our attention, rather than us making room for a collective "field of awareness". So instead of actually seeing what someone else is seeing, our attention is pulled away by the gravity of our projections.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - @ndy - 11-04-2010
Yes Zenmaster - Idealy it would be telapathic, like you discribe.
I think that the internet is a kind of shot at that with technology.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - Aaron - 11-04-2010
(11-04-2010, 05:39 AM)@ndy Wrote: Yes Zenmaster - Idealy it would be telapathic, like you discribe.
I think that the internet is a kind of shot at that with technology.
This forum, for example, doesn't have a physical manifestation. You can't say, where's the bring4th forum? It's in time/space then, right? All of it? (I'm genuinely asking. lol And not just you... anyone in particular!) Sure, it has servers that host ___ and computers that connect ___, wires that transfer ___... but it's "information", "to information" and "information" in all of those blanks. What's the physical aspect, then? The servers, wires, and computers? Those are information too. Instead of 3D light light like the physical aspects are, the forum is non-physical, or 4D light. Does it go higher? Does it have 5D or 6D aspects?
Of course, this applies to all social networking, as well as the entire internet.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - unity100 - 11-04-2010
the arrangement of magnetic tracks on a hard disk, and the arranged state of electrical switches in the computer's memory. not to mention any electrical communication happening over internet relating to it. one would say, extensions exist in the presence of the rendered version of the interface of the forum in the user's computer too.
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - rva_jeremy - 11-17-2010
Douglas Rushkoff actually talks a bit about this aspect of social networking in his new book, "Program or Be Programmed" (I reviewed it here). The value of social networking as a prefiguring of social memory is to see possibilities that arised from massively networked information, instead of making a one-to-one equivalency between the two phenomena. In the parlance of Rushkoff, for instance, it would be important to tease out which biases are intrinsic to social memory and which are biases of our computer proxies to it.
For instance, the bias towards transparency and lack of privacy is probably an accurate prefiguring of social memory that is provided by social networking. However, the ability to achieve anonymity is probably a bias of the platform, as in a social memory situation nobody is really anonymous (or, perhaps, everybody is anonymous in that the group mind becomes the "I").
RE: Social Networking is like 4D - turtledude23 - 11-17-2010
That was an awesome blog post jeremy, I liked metaphor of our society as software. Ive never considered what a world full of computer-savvy people would be like, I will now.