(05-26-2019, 01:13 AM)Louisabell Wrote: I'm just curious ... if social justice was accomplishing what they claim to be doing (all groups being treated fairly, equally and with dignity) would you be for it?

Edit: wecome back by the way

(05-26-2019, 01:34 AM)randomoaf Wrote:

(05-26-2019, 01:13 AM)Louisabell Wrote: I'm just curious ... if social justice was accomplishing what they claim to be doing (all groups being treated fairly, equally and with dignity) would you be for it?

Edit: wecome back by the way

Thanks! Of course I would. I'd be all up in it. In fact I already am. I always look out for disenfranchised groups and speak out for them. The thing is, I don't need the media or celebrities to tell me which groups or which people to speak out for. I just see it and speak. For example here is a comment I sent to Donald Trump:  
https://imgur.com/a/SOgs5ap

(05-24-2019, 11:23 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I'm not only addressing you, I'm replying to general energies in the thread which I disagree with, which your post was supporting, and the most recent.

It's cool we have a different interpretation. I find it interesting that you seem to think you have a better vantage point of what unity means than Ra does. This is probably part of why we disagree.

We're all free to distort the material however we please. I think empathy is a primary component of polarizing in third density via Ra's transmission of the Law of One. It is my estimation that most of these posts that are "anti-SJW" lack empathy because they do not understand that what makes someone an "SJW" is empathy. You're so worried about the person who carelessly hit someone that it's easy to forget about the person who is suffering, the person with the broken leg. They have every right to be angry. The first step to healing that anger is understanding that anger. When we tell people that they need to stop being victims, what it feels like is that we don't understand their anger, or that they don't have the right to be angry. Insisting to someone that "all is well" when they literally cannot walk because the physical mechanism that they use to walk is broken, it seems to me to be missing the point.

Ra very clearly discourages people to "rise above" their catalyst with a cold detachment. This is what I feel people perpetuate.

Quote:18.5 ▶ Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.

The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.

All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.

It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.

(05-26-2019, 12:47 AM)anagogy Wrote:

(05-26-2019, 12:28 AM)Relaxo Wrote: replying to show this post in it's entirety - in case you modify it

and to show the hate you have within you

to me, Jade, others here -  (and past members who have left b4 because of you)

(05-29-2019, 11:46 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: While I did enjoy hearing what the talking cat had to say for 8 minutes, I feel like I must repeat that the reason why NPC triggers those you call NPCs (leftists) is because dehumanization leads to violence. We can go in circles about this but I'm not going to stop saying it until trans people, muslims, black people, women, activists, and anyone else feels safe every time they leave their house. Until we stop hearing about churches and schools and dance clubs and planned parenthoods being shot up by angry folks, I'm going to continue to speak against the type of language that is used to prime people to commit and condone these types of violent acts.

I watched the whole video and did not find a single call to unity in the message. It was purely us vs. them. What's the point of this "meme" other than separation?

Also I find it super ironic that someone uses a video to tell other people that they only repeat the same stuff that other people say. A video proudly full of memes... with an avatar of a talking cat...

(05-29-2019, 11:46 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: While I did enjoy hearing what the talking cat had to say for 8 minutes, I feel like I must repeat that the reason why NPC triggers those you call NPCs (leftists) is because dehumanization leads to violence. We can go in circles about this but I'm not going to stop saying it until trans people, muslims, black people, women, activists, and anyone else feels safe every time they leave their house. Until we stop hearing about churches and schools and dance clubs and planned parenthoods being shot up by angry folks, I'm going to continue to speak against the type of language that is used to prime people to commit and condone these types of violent acts.

I watched the whole video and did not find a single call to unity in the message. It was purely us vs. them. What's the point of this "meme" other than separation?

Also I find it super ironic that someone uses a video to tell other people that they only repeat the same stuff that other people say. A video proudly full of memes... with an avatar of a talking cat...

(05-29-2019, 12:21 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: But must we incite people to violence. I think not. It seems whether we like it or not, it will always be a part of late third density. I don't blame people, because there is so much catalyst people are freaking out.

(05-29-2019, 12:55 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-29-2019, 12:21 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: But must we incite people to violence. I think not. It seems whether we like it or not, it will always be a part of late third density. I don't blame people, because there is so much catalyst people are freaking out.

I haven't seen anyone incite to violence.

(05-29-2019, 01:00 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:

(05-29-2019, 12:55 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-29-2019, 12:21 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: But must we incite people to violence. I think not. It seems whether we like it or not, it will always be a part of late third density. I don't blame people, because there is so much catalyst people are freaking out.

I haven't seen anyone incite to violence.

Sorry, I meant that since Jade said that calling people NPCs incites violence, I was pointing to people calling others NPCs as inciting violence. Sort of indirectly.

(05-29-2019, 01:29 PM)Louisabell Wrote: Having said that, I think assigning motive to others without serious consideration is unwise. My understanding of the NPC meme is that it is coming from a place of frustration from a group of people who believe that their biggest challenge when going up against mainstream culture is the way people are indoctrinated into it and the resulting herd mentality. There are bits of truth to this social dynamic that I think we can all relate to. And yes, it is frustrating when you are surrounded by people who you believe to be doing irrational things just because they see other people doing it.

I'm sure some people who use the NPC meme do want to dehumanize their political opponents and may even think things would be better if they wiped out all NPCs, but I also think the majority of people using the NPC meme are doing so as a jovial way to invite others to "start thinking for themselves and start playing the game with them as a real unique player". Like a friendly, "come on man, don't be that guy". Most people tend to be good, and we shouldn't let the sociopathic extremists ruin everything, on all sides of the argument.

(05-29-2019, 11:46 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: We can go in circles about this but I'm not going to stop saying it until trans people, muslims, black people, women, activists, and anyone else feels safe every time they leave their house. Until we stop hearing about churches and schools and dance clubs and planned parenthoods being shot up by angry folks, I'm going to continue to speak against the type of language that is used to prime people to commit and condone these types of violent acts.

(05-29-2019, 01:41 PM)isis Wrote:

(05-29-2019, 02:57 PM)Infinite Wrote:

(05-29-2019, 01:41 PM)isis Wrote:

"If you don't believe in the right of humiliate and attack people different from you, you don't believe in the implicit divinity of mankind. You don't believe in the sovereignty of the fascist/nazi individual over his victims". Adjusted.

Free speech is just a fallacy used by negative groups to disseminate their negative philosophy freely. I seek STO path, but I'll not ignore their try to infect the society. It's necessary balance this situation, If Gandhi had respected the free will of the britishers, the India  would still be a colony.

(05-29-2019, 01:41 PM)isis Wrote:

(05-30-2019, 04:59 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(05-29-2019, 01:41 PM)isis Wrote:

These are American conservative phenomena. 'Freedom', 'Free speech' coupled with 'individual'. Not to mention the concept of 'divine right'.

This combination does not exist elsewhere in the world. They dont even exist in England, where many Americans see their roots. Or in Germany. Or China. Japan. South America. Mediterranean. Eastern Europe. Nowhere.

This combination of concepts belongs to American conservative segments. It combines elements of religion with their personal ideology, then used as justification for various kinds of 'freedoms' in their positions toward the society.

(05-30-2019, 05:53 PM)Louisabell Wrote: Sure, except here is a popular leftist liberal (host on agressive progressives and huge supporter for Bernie Sanders) defending the value of free speech in America:

Quote:Defending Alex Jones no less! Because maybe he remembers that freedom of speech was first used against the theocracy

Quote:, bringing in progressive values into the society some which started in America and spread out throughout the world

Quote:Why would you ever think people against zoot suits are for freedom of speech?!? In the 50's freedom of speech was a liberal value.

Quote:Also the majority of Americans want universal healthcare, they are obviously under corporate capture in their politics and media and I think it's a little unfair to bash their culture as though that is who they are.

(05-29-2019, 04:21 PM)Minyatur Wrote: but as this is the density of self-realization a lot of it will relate more to self-evolution than what societal climate to force upon people.

(05-29-2019, 04:21 PM)Minyatur Wrote: What if the actual most helpful thing one could do, in the positive sense, as an individual is to believe in the inhate potential of others to grow, because this releases a metaphysical tension that holds them in separation?

(05-29-2019, 04:21 PM)Minyatur Wrote: but that trying to impose something on society becomes an abstraction of the actual issue and may not actually solve it.

(05-29-2019, 04:21 PM)Minyatur Wrote: If we relate heart-ray energy to the STO path, I do not believe it is heart-ray energy that seeks to impede free speech.

Quote:At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

Quote:35.8 ▶ Questioner: Well in that case I would like to know the motivation for this use of Abraham Lincoln’s body at that time?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this session as we find the instrument quite low in vital energies.

The one known as Abraham had an extreme difficulty in many ways and, due to physical, mental, and spiritual pain, was weary of life but without the orientation to self-destruction. In your time, 1853, this entity was contacted in sleep by a fourth-density being. This being was concerned with the battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness which have been waged in fourth density for many of your years.

This entity accepted the honor/duty of completing the one known as Abraham’s karmic patterns and the one known as Abraham discovered that this entity would attempt those things which the one known as Abraham desired to do but felt it could not. Thus the exchange was made.

The entity, Abraham, was taken to a plane of suspension until the cessation of its physical vehicle much as though we of Ra would arrange with this instrument to remain in the vehicle, come out of the trance state, and function as this instrument, leaving this instrument’s mind and spirit complex in its suspended state.

The planetary energies at this time were at what seemed to this entity to be at a critical point, for that which you know as freedom had gained in acceptance as a possibility among many peoples. This entity saw the work done by those beginning the democratic concept of freedom, as you call it, in danger of being abridged or abrogated by the rising belief and use of the principle of the enslavement of entities. This is a negative concept of a fairly serious nature in your density. This entity, therefore, went forward into what it saw as the battle for the light, for healing of a rupture in the concept of freedom.

This entity did not gain or lose karma by these activities due to its detachment from any outcome. Its attitude throughout was one of service to others, more especially to the downtrodden or enslaved. The polarity of the individual was somewhat, but not severely, lessened by the cumulative feelings and thought-forms which were created due to large numbers of entities leaving the physical plane due to trauma of battle.

Quote:The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Quote:Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

(05-30-2019, 07:05 PM)Louisabell Wrote: Unity100, I think you are confusing people who exercise their own freedom of speech with people who believe in freedom of speech as a universal principle (i.e. everyone's freedom of speech).

Yes nazis shout that they have a right to their marches because "free speech", but are they proponents of freedom of speech for all? Considering some of them don't even believe in the right to life for all, it's obvious they aren't for it. In this way they are hypocrites, enjoying freedoms that they would not give to others, making their ideology one that will eventually self-implode, as it has in the past.

(05-31-2019, 11:54 AM)unity100 Wrote: I make that distinction.

However, the problem is that, even in cases where free speech as such is protected due to universal principles, allowing the negative movements to spread and organize, it ends up with ending of free speech.

It has ended like that in every country which faced this situation in middle east. Nazis themselves came to power through elections, and they gained their initial following via free speech...

This is a matter of practicality since its a contradiction:

Will you allow the movements which will eventually end free speech to gain power through free speech. Will you limit their free speech.

Its a paradox.

(05-31-2019, 05:13 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: This topic came up in the Facebook group and someone suggested wise love and loving wisdom.

(06-01-2019, 04:31 AM)David_1 Wrote:    Biblical writings in 1 Corinthians include, “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. . .  And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”
   I notice that wisdom is not mentioned in the spiritual gifts listed here.  Probably it is because wisdom is something that comes at a later time.  Love is mentioned as the greatest.