(05-20-2019, 05:27 PM)Cyan Wrote:

(05-20-2019, 05:26 PM)Merrick Wrote: As a Jewish person living in an area with multiple active white supremacist groups, I can tell you that fascism and the alt right are not some made up media boogeyman.

As a finnish person living next to a former communist country with many current communist groups seeking to take over former territoy. I can tell you that communism and alt left are not a made up media boogeyman.

Felt I should comment.

(05-20-2019, 05:46 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(05-20-2019, 05:10 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

Quote:draconian social control laws

Like those that charge women with murder for getting an abortion or having a suspicious miscarriage, even if they are raped? Do you have an example of a law that you know that has passed recently that limits free speech in a "draconian" way? I'm really asking specifically in the US, but I would accept any other examples of where this is happening, because I like to be woke about these things, too, and if it's a real problem, actively denounce it as well.

In the US it is mostly just SJW trying to shame or harass people into submission if they say something they don't like. Like someone will express an opinion, and these *psychopaths* will do everything in their power to get them fired from their job for it. In Canada you have the compelled speech law bill C16 which basically made it illegal to not use made up pronouns, of which there are an infinite variety, for "new genders". But I think this is just the beginning. There are people in the US trying to pass laws for similar things, and then they will keep pushing the envelope once they get their foot in the door. Next you know, it will be illegal to say other words (whatever those end up being). It is a slippery slope, and once we start sliding, free speech will disappear quickly because people in power don't want the "commoners" to have it. It is inconvenient for them.

(05-20-2019, 05:26 PM)Merrick Wrote: As a Jewish person living in an area with multiple active white supremacist groups, I can tell you that fascism and the alt right are not some made up media boogeyman.

I never said they didn't exist, I just said they don't represent the majority.

(05-20-2019, 05:58 PM)Merrick Wrote: Well, when they threaten my life and the lives of my family, it doesn’t really matter if they’re currently in the majority or not. The Nazi Party in Germany was a minority at one point as well. We ignore fascism at our peril.

And I must say I find it humorous that you argue that the media is the biggest tool of Orion (which incidentally I agree with), but then use clips from Fox News and Prager U to validate your clearly exaggerated claims of “psychopathic” leftists. Right wing media is just as Orion controlled as the rest of the major media. It’s all designed to prevent people from unifying. Ra says this is an explicit aim of Orion. You may wish to consider the sources you get your information from.

As for “social justice” vs “blind justice”, we don’t live on a just planet. Many suffer at the hands of the few. Attempts to confront, challenge, and undo those injustices, which are numerous, in my mind should be supported and I feel it’s part of my duty as an STO polarized mind/body/spirit complex to recognize, validate, and aid oppressed people as best I can.

(05-20-2019, 06:04 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(05-20-2019, 05:58 PM)Merrick Wrote: Well, when they threaten my life and the lives of my family, it doesn’t really matter if they’re currently in the majority or not. The Nazi Party in Germany was a minority at one point as well. We ignore fascism at our peril.

And I must say I find it humorous that you argue that the media is the biggest tool of Orion (which incidentally I agree with), but then use clips from Fox News and Prager U to validate your clearly exaggerated claims of “psychopathic” leftists. Right wing media is just as Orion controlled as the rest of the major media. It’s all designed to prevent people from unifying. Ra says this is an explicit aim of Orion. You may wish to consider the sources you get your information from.

As for “social justice” vs “blind justice”, we don’t live on a just planet. Many suffer at the hands of the few. Attempts to confront, challenge, and undo those injustices, which are numerous, in my mind should be supported and I feel it’s part of my duty as an STO polarized mind/body/spirit complex to recognize, validate, and aid oppressed people as best I can.

I've had my life threatened by social justice warriors for expressing certain views, so don't assume you're the only one being threatened.

And as for news, I think most of it is STS, that doesn't mean all of it is. I would say pre Obama era, the right was definitely a more evil influence, but now it has done a complete 180.

You may also wish to consider the sources you get your information from.

I'm surprised that we can't find common ground on the fact that people shouldn't be fined or go to jail for saying the wrong WORDS. I think that is very obviously draconian and wrong. But who needs free speech right? We have social justice.

(05-20-2019, 06:09 PM)Merrick Wrote: I actually said nothing one way or the other about going to jail for saying words because I don’t necessarily agree with your basic premise, given what you are citing as sources.

I will bow out of this thread now, it’s not what I wish to be discussing on here.

(05-20-2019, 05:46 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(05-20-2019, 05:10 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

Quote:draconian social control laws

Like those that charge women with murder for getting an abortion or having a suspicious miscarriage, even if they are raped? Do you have an example of a law that you know that has passed recently that limits free speech in a "draconian" way? I'm really asking specifically in the US, but I would accept any other examples of where this is happening, because I like to be woke about these things, too, and if it's a real problem, actively denounce it as well.

In the US it is mostly just SJW trying to shame or harass people into submission if they say something they don't like. Like someone will express an opinion, and these *psychopaths* will do everything in their power to get them fired from their job for it. In Canada you have the compelled speech law bill C16 which basically made it illegal to not use made up pronouns, of which there are an infinite variety, for "new genders". But I think this is just the beginning. There are people in the US trying to pass laws for similar things, and then they will keep pushing the envelope once they get their foot in the door. Next you know, it will be illegal to say other words (whatever those end up being). It is a slippery slope, and once we start sliding, free speech will disappear quickly because people in power don't want the "commoners" to have it. It is inconvenient for them.

(05-20-2019, 03:02 PM)kristina Wrote:

(05-20-2019, 11:18 AM)Relaxo Wrote:

(05-20-2019, 09:27 AM)kristina Wrote:

(05-19-2019, 01:34 AM)Relaxo Wrote: Putting this out there for the mod team:

I've said this before in pm - now saying it here publicly - moderation is ridiculously lenient... newbies should be put on probation to show they can behave politely and in a civil manner... there should be a questionnaire asked to be read and signed; as well as reading and signing that you expressly agree with the forum guidelines

B4 - for years now has needed some form of 'gatekeeping'... because without it - there's no duty of care.

I don't want probation.....I only wanted to hear others and learn more of the Law of One. I also wanted to see my own distortions and learn from them as well. Isn't that what is taking place here in this thread? Part of learning to balance the self is to see the self in relation to the other self even in the wake of extreme discord. Relaxo. I love you. Please....I don't want probabtion!

Glow mentioned it was how a forum she joined went about things... and it came up because we've had a new forum member - only 3 weeks since joining, on b4th shouting in caps at people telling them they're "FULL OF HATE!!" etc and - "oh here's the most hated person (about me)" etc...  and then Cyan joining in saying to me f*** off dirtbag despite me telling him I have cared about him...

nb- womyn is a very old feminist spelling... I'm surprised he knows it...another one is wimmin

Drastic abuse calls for 'drastic' changes - but why would you be put on probation?

You've just read from Jade, the abuse mods receive (in pm's) and how over this they are... they're burnt out - I also knew this from pm's over a long while... and I know Jade has experienced bullying before and since she's been a mod. She's an incredibly patient loving person.

There's a LOT of time consuming work in moderation... reading everything - keeping up with all the threads...

I've had bullying occur to me here under past accounts... and I'm quite hated by at least 2 current members and now from this thread - it's very clear to me that 2 more people hate me... I can handle it these days - but it's been a 'wild ride'... fortunately I've learnt a lot from it all - but several years ago I was very very suicidal and this place hurt me badly

I have friends who want to join b4 but who literally would become too stressed/depressed or hurt by energies/interactions here...

this place can be hostile so much of the time. The other thing I want to say - is that moderation (a feeling of safety) would mean the conversations would increase... this place has dwindled over the years to sometimes so few new posts and just a small few regular 'voices'... so ideas of moderation making people leave are incorrect imo - people leave all the time (or are silent) because of the lack of guidelines for behaviour being enforced.

[....]

we teach people how we want to be treated by what we will and won't allow... same for a forum... L/L put those guidelines in place FOR A REASON...

remember we're not running it or doing the hard work...  or keeping the legacy alive

I said I don't want probation because I'm new. But I seriously try to respect others while still disagreeing with them.
I hear what you are saying loud and clear. I clearly see that our emotions run with us when it concerns something we feel deeply about. Some can defend it and pull out all the stops when proving how much they love their ideas, ideals and beliefs. I'm not saying this is you.....I am saying that's what I have witnessed. As you know and I too, that emotions can form like snow balls going downhill but there are those of us who can stop, reel it in and those who won't. Humans are delightful until they are faced some of the catalysts that have been presented here and in other threads.
Look, there will be a time that I will not agree with you but I feel as you do, I love you anyway.
As long as this forum is open to the public, it will encounter people who love to stir the pot and then laugh at the results. They will feel like they have really accomplished something. While the rest of us only want to learn from one another both positive and negative aspects of each personality (soul, living soul) that comments. Afterall, isn't that what this forum is for? For the seekers who want to connect and gleen from the more experienced, to be heard and not be ridiculed? BTW, I am sorry someone could hate you. I do not. I could not. Best to ya girl!

Quote:1) The Cornerstone
The key governing principle of the entire Bring4th community, and all L/L Research social media venues, is the request that all members treat others with respect, especially when disagreeing. The participant may disagree to the bone with an idea without personally attacking the author.

2) Service to Others
L/L Research and the Bring4th Forums are designed to facilitate, enhance, and encourage the increase of the positive polarity. This is reflected in the Guidelines and the Bring4th Principles.

Polarity—service to others (STO) and service to self (STS)—plays a strong and frequent part in forum discussion. This is as it should be, for not only is the concept of polarity a central thread in the Law of One philosophy, but it is also at the heart of our experience of third density, aka: our everyday lives. It is a discussion that should be continually revisited in the life of the spiritual seeker. Members do not necessarily need to subscribe to the framework of polarity in this sense, but it should be understood that these concepts will be central to any discussion within a community which gathers to discuss this material.

5) Negative Philosophies
Ours is a forum dedicated to the exploration, promotion, and living of the service-to-others polarity as defined in the Law of One material. This does not mean that discussions about the service-to-self polarity are prohibited, only that promotion of philosophies and information which:

*exhibit elements of deception and manipulative thinking
*generate fear
*reject or discourage universal love
*encourage or promote control of self or others

are considered to be not in alignment with the principles of spiritual evolution espoused by Confederation sources and are thus subject to moderation and/or removal.

7) Impermissible Speech
Discussions that promote or endorse racial / sexual / national intolerance, hate speech, politically subversive acts or planning, will not be tolerated.

Quote:Bring4th Principles

The website, Bring4th.org, was made with three parts spirit, one part technology, and eight parts heart, with a colored donut sprinkle, or two, of wisdom. It was constructed, designed, and put into motion on the basis of principles intended to guide its evolution and shape its journey.

The principles stem from, and are articulated by, the channeled material and general work of L/L Research, the vision of the organization’s founders, the vision community’s founders, and the daily interactions of each who contributes their energy—whether silently or vocally.

In short, those principles divide into two broad categories:

   How we relate to one another.
   The content of our contributions.

Respect, kindness, and compassion, aka: the path of service to others, define the former.

The focus on the spiritual principles of the L/L-Research philosophy defines the latter.

For a shortened version of these principles, stick to the bolded text. For the longer version, read the cream filling in between.


How We Relate to One Another

Service to others
L/L Research and its community are, to be clear, biased. We are consciously and unapologetically biased toward what in the Confederation philosophy is called service to others. We seek to enhance, increase, and deepen that bias; to pursue the path of service-to-others as far as it may lead.

We are not here to get beyond polarity, or to transcend polarity. We are here to polarize. To know our polarity. To understand our polarity. To become even stronger upon the positive path. Indeed, the more we polarize, the greater our capacity to do work in consciousness.

What does that mean and how does that manifest? The following principles do not authoritatively capture or define service to others through an online community, but they point in the general direction.


Respect
The first and cornerstone guideline of the forums asks that we treat each other with respect. Ideally each would take that even further and love all others as part of the self, but that all-encompassing love is the fruit of great spiritual discipline, whereas “respect” is a frequency and attitude to which we can more rapidly and consciously calibrate our vision.

What is the greatest way to respect another member? Simple. To respect and honor their exercise of free will, wherever it may lead them. That doesn’t mean to be without personal or collective boundaries (more on that below), just that the member consciously recognizes that the other member has a sacred right and duty to form their own point of view, and no matter how seemingly skewed, the other self’s point of view is right for them.

One specific way to exercise respect on this particular forum is to assume a context of positive polarization for all who participate here.


Tolerance and Acceptance
In continuation of the previous principle but with different emphasis, the backbone of the Bring4th culture is one of tolerance for a diversity of views—aka: views that are not your own—within the larger context of spiritual evolution.

This is not to say that we make other views our own with which we disagree, or that we rush to embrace an opinion that is at odds with our own. It means rather that we offer each person the space to form and express their point of view (within liberal and reasonable limits, of course); we refrain from making a personal attack of the author, or belittling their viewpoint, or treating their idea with any form of judgment, derision, or scorn.

While the information we all share with one another is certainly very important, and a great source of catalyst and continuing education, the greater lesson of Bring4th is simply learning to get along with, accept, and even genuinely love one another.

We are here first and foremost to learn to serve one another, and to see the other and the self as the Creator; secondarily to learn information.


Working in harmony
By tolerating and accepting a diversity of viewpoints, and respecting each other, we naturally magnetize ourselves to work together in harmony, in concert, in that magical way of proportion, rhythm, and balance that brings separate individuals notes into relationship in order to make music.


We understand that the greater the compassion with which we treat each other, even and especially when disagreeing, the greater and more beautiful the collective song of Bring4th; the greater the harmony that sends its energetic waves into a considerably disharmonious planetary environment.

Our goal is harmony, our means of achieving the goal is harmony, and when disharmony inevitably strikes, our efforts are bent upon restoring harmony—with patience and the light touch.


Supporting one another
Being service to others in nature and purpose, we naturally seek to support one another. While nurturing and expressing the self is critical, we recognize that we are here for others as well, which sometimes means that we must set aside our need for self-oriented expression, and put the other-self at the center of our intention and communication.

It may seem that posting to forums, or sharing communication through digital mediums, is a limited and ineffectual tool to help others. That is emphatically not the case. A simple expression of love, a little word of encouragement—anything that in any small way expresses an intention to help—is registered by the other self, and has the potential to radically uplift and heal. We are consciousness affecting consciousness, people affecting people; energy moves between us, impacts us, changes us, pushes us away from each other or brings us close together.

The forums, the keyboard, and the internet connection are simply the vehicle or medium for the movement of something greater and deeper: each other. We recognize that we are ultimately here to be here for each other.

We recognize that life on this planet is difficult for most who live upon the surface, including those with seemingly pleasant outer circumstances. We seek to be actively sensitive to each other’s needs, to be a safe refuge to each other, to listen to one another, to give humble counsel where needed, to offer to each other possibly even therapy—not through clinical therapeutic techniques, necessarily—but simply by doing our utmost to create an environment of unconditional love.


Conflict Resolution
Despite the best of our intentions, and the sincerity of our hearts, as Forrest Gump undeniably first said, s*** will happen. We will hurt one another. We will step on one another’s toes. We may even lose self-control and lash out at another.

But what distinguishes this community is that we attempt not to dwell, linger, and energize that disharmony overly long. Instead, after the scuffle has taken place, we dust ourselves off and reorient our vision to resolving conflict through multi-party, open, honest but compassionate dialogue that makes no victims and works to unblock the stuck energy.

We seek to turn the battle into a discussion, a discussion aimed upon restoring the harmony that was temporarily lost.


Honest but compassionate discussion
Our ideals of love needn’t translate into an overly sensitive, shall we say, fluffy environment where we are not honest with ourselves and each other. Ra’s is an advanced philosophy, according to our measure. It speaks of the possibilities of adepthood that necessarily require the most stringent honesty.

We thusly seek to tell our truths as clearly, as precisely, as poetically, as beautifully, as truthfully, as honestly as possible.

But we do not use honesty to justify being consciously negative to someone because such is our “honest” feeling. True honesty exercises deep consideration for the needs of others and the context of the situation. True honesty uses the listening, discerning ear to determine whether the other self is in a position to even hear one’s truth.

This level of honesty is a function of activating the blue-ray, or throat chakra. Its full working necessarily depends on the activated and open heart that immediately precedes the blue ray in the sequence of chakras. Indeed, the more activated and open the heart, the greater the energy for the shining honest truth of blue ray.

We therefore seek always to communicate our truths through the energy and framework of loving-kindness. It is amazing how the “truth” is transmuted and beautified, even a difficult truth, when it passes through unconditional love.

We also seek to emphasize the overlooked aspect of blue ray, which is the listening ear. Maybe it’s not always so much in what we say, but in how well we listen to one another.


Welcoming new members
As is probably true with the majority of online communities, the majority of the website’s readers don’t actively participate. Whether from their ranks or from people discovering the website for the first time, Bring4th gains new members each and every week.

This community seeks never to shun new members, but always to actively welcome them into the community.

Anyone who has been new to a group at some point in their lives—which should be 100% of everyone—knows the value of being welcomed into the group with a smile and warm embrace. This is especially critical for the spiritual seekers attracted to this information who tend to feel alienated or isolated from others, often painfully so.


The Focus of the Forums

What we’re here to discuss, share, and study
As Ra says, the self is the material for study. We are ultimately here, therefore, to share, express, and learn about the self.

That is a very broad statement, though. It could reasonably be invoked to describe every possible form of interaction on this planet, from enslavement to enlightened exchanges. The qualification which narrows that statement into a meaningful and coherent focus is this: We are here to learn about and share the self through the lens of the Confederation philosophy.

Ours is not a general spirituality forum. We want to offer the largest possible tent that we can offer, but for the structure to have any meaning, it must have a focus and parameters, exclusions and boundaries.

What are the exclusions and boundaries?


Not completely egalitarian
Every entity on this planet has a right to their own point of view. It is indeed the sacred, inalienable duty of each to create and form their own point of view, and can only be done by the self for the self. Bring4th can neither allow nor disallow one to have and form their own inherent perspective.

Everyone does not, however, have the right to express whatever point of view they may want in the community. The system has boundaries, boundaries that—as hopefully this document, the guidelines, and the moderator material makes clear—are as liberal, open, and reasonable as possible, but boundaries nevertheless.

To zoom out for a moment: Everyone is the Creator. Yes? Everyone is the self. Bring4th seeks the consciousness where this is obvious. But we keep in mind that, while fundamentally we are one with all beings, there are infinite expressions of that one in infinitely various relationship to one another:

   Quote:
   67.11 Ra: You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

   A portion, seemingly, of the Creator rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument.

   All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are.


We recognize the “vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues,” appreciate it, and love it. We try to open our own frequencies to accommodate as wide a range of biases and distortions, colors and hues as possible, but at the end of the day, we are not completely egalitarian—we are not a community that feels every viewpoint has an equal place here.

Each viewpoint is “equal” in terms of it being right for he or she who generated the viewpoint—as no entity is more Creator than another—but each viewpoint is not “equal” in terms of, say, a harvestable degree of service-to-self perspective being equal on the Bring4th Forums with an opened green-ray perspective. One of the two is outside of, and dissonant with, our frequency.

As expressed above, we have a bias, and seek to pursue and enhance that bias. Not just for service to others, but for harmony, for growth, and for focus.


Not promoting, pursuing, or promulgating service-to-self philosophy or practices
No one on the forums, include the website founders, are pure angels made with 100% service-to-others organic milk. We are all a mix of light and shadow. We all have vibrations within us that might be classified as service-to-self.

While we seek to reduce the negative vibrations though self-knowledge and self-acceptance, and increase that within us which is vibrating service to others, we each may be susceptible to occasionally doing or saying something that has a flavor of service to self to it. That is inevitable.

However, the Bring4th Forums are not a place for energizing that polarity by promoting, pursuing, or promulgating service-to-self philosophy or practices. Where the boundary between the two is, is not easy to codify into a one-size-fits-all rule.

Generally speaking, philosophies and posting which exhibits elements of deception, manipulative thinking, or generate fear, or reject or discourage universal love, or encourage or promote control of self or others, are those containing characteristic hallmarks of service-to-self philosophy, and are considered to be not in alignment with the principles of spiritual evolution espoused by Confederation sources.

Of course, so much depends upon context. Some threads or posts may meet that criteria in some way without crossing the line. Some threads or posts may not fully meet that criteria but may still be crossing that line. Likely whoever is crossing that line is conscious of the act, and, though they will be met with love, their posting, and perhaps even their account, will not find a home at Bring4th.

This is not to make service to self a boogeyman in response to whose utterance we must create a cross of our index fingers to dispel the evil energy. We of the positive polarity are of the positive polarity precisely because of the existence and operation of those of the negative polarity. Thus to have a greater understanding or grasp of the negative path is to better understand our own path.

Consequently there is space to discuss the negative path and its interaction with the positive path. In fact, the topic of polarity is one of the most central for any student of the Law of One, and ought to be continually revisited for any seeking to polarize.


No sacred cow
Many respect and revere the information. Why? Because it resonates profoundly with them. It has moved them to tears, illuminated various if not all quarters of their life, informed their worldview, and, in many cases, had an absolutely transformative effect upon their incarnations, often enduringly so.

It is okay to love the material. To study it. To uphold it as a standard. To apply it. To scrutinize it. To question it. To test it. To give it a place of special significance and meaning in one’s heart. It is okay to wear that love upon ones sleeve. If there is any place on the internet to do so, this is the place!

But we don’t turn the material into a sacred cow, infallible and objectively true in every case. We look to it as a credible and awesome source of information, perhaps stemming from a broader point of view than our own, but we always recognize that it is we who have the final authority to determine what is true for us, to apply the material in unique ways to the synthesis of our own experience, and to determine how we will interpret the information.


No single interpretation trumps all others in all cases
The community recognizes that there are often a multiplicity of interpretations of the material.

Certain statements can be made about the Law of One which are objectively true (within its own context, of course). For instance, “There are eight densities, with the eighth being the gateway density.” “There are 106 sessions in total of the Ra Material.” “Ra is a sixth-density social memory complex.” But outside of statements about the material for which there is no possible dispute, much is open to subjective interpretation. The path of seeking is a path of subjective exploration and creation, and Ra could often only offer generalities, unable as they were to speak to the utter uniqueness of each and every creation.

It is very helpful to have intensive discussions that seek to hash out the meaning of words, phrases, and concepts—some interpretations are better than others in grasping the intention and nature of the information—but we refrain from becoming dogmatic in insisting that there is ever only one way to interpret this body of information.


Who Are These People?

People who are ethical
With exceedingly rare exception, each who is attracted to this material has a strong ethical framework of perception and action, the cornerstone of which is the desire and capacity to respect the free will of others through honest, loving-kindness, and the desire to be to others of service.


People who love this material
This is what you might call a no-brainer, but it’s sometimes helpful to articulate the obvious. Members of the larger Law of One community, whether or not participating at Bring4th, come from a great variety of demographics and temperaments. The desire to seek and serve the One Creator is that which, ultimately, unites us, but in the relative world of shape and form, it is this unique body of philosophy that has brought us together from a diverse range of starting points across the globe.


People who are service-oriented
Nearly everyone attracted to this philosophy—regardless of whether they consciously recognize the theory and practice of “polarity” as valuable—is what we could call a service-to-others oriented person.

Essays could be made to describe what that means. In short, positively oriented seekers simply want the highest and best fulfillment for others, preferably full of joy and free of suffering. They actively work to help the other self achieve their own stated ends, serving the other self as the request is made and only in proportion to the request. For the positively oriented entity, this means non-proselytizing, withdrawing if there is no request, and offering even the comforts of sleep if that is what the other-self desires. It means simple radiance from the open heart.


People who often feel they are wanderers
A discussion ripe with interesting speculation, we feel that those who are naturally attracted to this information are, in the main, wanderers. Though Bring4th does not issue any wanderer badge, nor are distinctions or classifications ever made to categorize or separate, nor is being a wanderer meaningful to any but the seeker itself, we note it here simply because there is a sub-culture on this planet who genuinely feel that their souls are from elsewhere, and that they are on this planet to serve others. This demographic also shares certain broad traits across their spectrum.

Knowledge of being a wanderer can be profoundly healing and transformative to he or she who has suffered in their attempts to adjust to and understand a world that may, in various ways, seem alien and even threatening.

Among those who consider themselves wanderers, along with those who have embarked upon the path of spiritual seeking in general, there often exists a great loneliness and profound sense of alienation. Significant, sometimes crushing pain can be a major debilitating theme of the wanderer and spiritual seeker.Bring4th seeks to meet the need by promoting community among this and associated demographics to help alleviate the isolation.

Again, however, at the end of the day, no tally is kept as to who believes or knows they are a wanderer or not, and no distinctions are ever recorded. Each who participates is obviously and undeniably human, with human lessons, human fears, and human hopes.

People who are spiritual seekers
Whatever the soul’s proximate origin in the universe, here or elsewhere, what most defines those who participate on Bring4th is their hunger for the truth. That hunger manifests in many, many ways, in varying intensities, but it is often visible in the way that each lights up in response to a gem of metaphysical thought, an insight into the deeper nature of experience, or another puzzle piece that reflects the truer/greater nature of the self and the universe within which the self dances.

Whether or not consciously realized or expressed, the Creator has begun to awaken within each who participates at Bring4th. The spiritual seeking is a manifestation of the Creator desiring to know itself, though us. It is that inner light which guides our journey to this particular nexus of energy known as Bring4th, and many others beyond.

Closing

We want to be together. We want to know each other. We want to merge with each other.

We need each other.

Above all, this particular website wishes to facilitate that connection—both for the benefit of the reading and participating individuals, and for the planet itself which receives the byproducts of our interactions on Bring4th, including:

Love
&
Light

(05-21-2019, 04:17 AM)Louisabell Wrote: Loving all the great arguments being made.

Just wanted to make the point that Jordan Peterson's issue about the gendered pronoun bill was not about "free speech" as commonly thought, but about "compelled speech".

He was stating that the government has no precedent to tell someone that they have to say something.

There are already plenty of limits on free speech, such as inciting violence and conspiring to commit crimes.

Jordan Peterson when asked directly if he would use trans-gendered pronouns, he said if asked in a reasonable way that he would. He's also expressed how unfortunate it is that trans people have been dragged into this debate on "compelled speech" as other trans advocacy groups have also expressed.

Just thought I would add that for some extra nuance.

Quote:"what does Peterson actually believe? He bills himself as “a classic British liberal” whose focus is the psychology of belief. Much of what he says is familiar: marginalised groups are infantilised by a culture of victimhood and offence-taking; political correctness threatens freedom of thought and speech; ideological orthodoxy undermines individual responsibility. You can read this stuff any day of the week and perhaps agree with some of it. However, Peterson goes further, into its most paranoid territory. His bete noire is what he calls “postmodern neo-Marxism” or “cultural Marxism”. In a nutshell: having failed to win the economic argument, Marxists decided to infiltrate the education system and undermine western values with “vicious, untenable and anti-human ideas”, such as identity politics, that will pave the road to totalitarianism.

Peterson studied political science and psychology, but he weaves several more disciplines – evolutionary biology, anthropology, sociology, history, literature, religious studies – into his grand theory. Rather than promoting blatant bigotry, like the far right, he claims that concepts fundamental to social-justice movements, such as the existence of patriarchy and other forms of structural oppression, are treacherous illusions, and that he can prove this with science. Hence: “The idea that women were oppressed throughout history is an appalling theory.” Islamophobia is “a word created by fascists and used by cowards to manipulate morons”. White privilege is “a Marxist lie”. Believing that gender identity is subjective is “as bad as claiming that the world is flat”.

Cathy Newman was wrong to call Peterson a “provocateur”, as if he were just Milo Yiannopoulos with a PhD. He is a true believer. Peterson is old enough to remember the political correctness wars of the early 90s, when conservatives such as Allan Bloom and Roger Kimball warned that campus speech codes and demands to diversify the canon were putting the US on the slippery slope to Maoism, and mainstream journalists found the counterintuitive twist – what if progressives are the real fascists? – too juicy to resist. Their alarmist rhetoric now seems ridiculous. Those campus battles did not lead to the Gulag. But Peterson’s theories hark back to that episode.
Peterson was also shaped by the cold war; he was obsessed as a young man with the power of rigid ideology to make ordinary people do terrible things. He collects Soviet realist paintings, in a know-your-enemy way, and named his first child Mikhaila, after Mikhail Gorbachev. In Professor Against Political Correctness, he says: “I know something about the way authoritarian and totalitarian states develop and I can’t help but think that I am seeing a fair bit of that right now.”

In many ways, Peterson is an old-fashioned conservative who mourns the decline of religious faith and the traditional family, but he uses of-the-moment tactics. His YouTube gospel resonates with young white men who feel alienated by the jargon of social-justice discourse and crave an empowering theory of the world in which they are not the designated oppressors. Many are intellectually curious. On Amazon, Peterson’s readers seek out his favourite thinkers: Dostoevsky, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn, Jung. His long, dense video lectures require commitment. He combines the roles of erudite professor, self-help guru and street-fighting scourge of the social-justice warrior: the missing link between Steven Pinker, Dale Carnegie and Gamergate. On Reddit, fans testify that Peterson changed, or even saved, their lives. His recent sold-out lectures in London had the atmosphere of revival meetings.

Such intense adoration can turn nasty. His more extreme supporters have abused, harassed and doxxed (maliciously published the personal information of) several of his critics. One person who has crossed swords with Peterson politely declined my request for an interview, having experienced floods of hatemail, including physical threats. Newman received so much abuse that Peterson asked his fans to “back off”, albeit while suggesting the scale had been exaggerated. “His fans are relentless,” says Southey. “They have contacted me, repeatedly, on just about every platform possible.”

   Peterson's audience includes Christian conservatives, atheist libertarians, centrist pundits and neo-Nazis

While Peterson does not endorse such attacks, his intellectual machismo does not exactly deter them. He calls ideas he disagrees with silly, ridiculous, absurd, insane. He describes debate as “combat” on the “battleground” of ideas and hints at physical violence, too. “If you’re talking to a man who wouldn’t fight with you under any circumstances whatsoever, then you’re talking to someone for whom you have absolutely no respect,” he told Paglia last year, adding that it is harder to deal with “crazy women” because he cannot hit them. His fans post videos with titles such as “Jordan Peterson DESTROY [sic] Transgender Professor” and “Those 7 Times Jordan Peterson Went Beast Mode”. In debate, as in life, Peterson believes in winners and losers.

“How does one effectively debate a man who seems obsessed with telling his adoring followers that there is a secret cabal of postmodern neo-Marxists hellbent on destroying western civilisation and that their campus LGBTQ group is part of it?” says Southey. “There’s never going to be a point where he says: ‘You know what? You’re right, I was talking out of my ass back there.’ It’s very much about him attempting to dominate the conversation.”

Peterson’s constellation of beliefs attracts a heterogeneous audience that includes Christian conservatives, atheist libertarians, centrist pundits and neo-Nazis. This staunch anti-authoritarian also has a striking habit of demonising the left while downplaying dangers from the right. "

~ https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

(05-21-2019, 06:16 AM)Relaxo Wrote: I'm 5 months older than him... I know the 1990's political 'scene'. esp at academic institutions - very well.

I know exactly where he's coming from...  the pulpit of a traditionalist, straight, white, patriarchal conservative, privileged male dominant egregore.

I don't think anyone should force anyone to speak a certain way; so I do see where he was in reacting to that. I think he's softened his stance somewhat since he first reacted to it also.

It's basic politeness to respect people when they ask you call them by a certain pronoun, name, etc.

I don't think he's a "bad" person and I don't feel ill will towards him - to me - he's a dinosaur - incredibly "old fashioned' - but he's a conservative training ground pathway through to more extreme ideologies.

He embodies and has 'tapped into' the "backlash" against "social justice" by those most likely to lose power from social justice - by having to share it with everyone - the boys club.

I've been schooled by POC it was hard - but I listened and learnt - men need to do the same - listen to women. And stick up for women. We're being murdered at a sickening and disproportionate rate every day.

Day in day out.

https://www.whiteribbon.org.au/understand-domestic-violence/facts-violence-women/domestic-violence-statistics/

and yes- men experience violence also - but no where near the same and most usually from other men.

To any of his fans - please realise pointing this out isn't being misandrist - it's wishing for a shift from patriarchy to fraternity.

(05-20-2019, 04:50 PM)anagogy Wrote: I never said they can't be SJW. I just disagree with their view of "justice". I think it is warped and inadvertently STS even though it thinks otherwise.

(05-20-2019, 04:50 PM)anagogy Wrote: All Ra said is that in order for there to be law, freedom must be restricted. They didn't say laws or rules were necessary.

(05-20-2019, 04:50 PM)anagogy Wrote: Simply don't engage with it, don't respond to it. Very few people are interested in that stuff. So the fear of it is unwarranted. Just ignore it.

(05-20-2019, 04:50 PM)anagogy Wrote: media tries to instill fear in peoples heads that racists and sexists and nazis are around every corner, nook, and cranny of the world. The truth is they simply aren't. It is a very small minority.

(05-20-2019, 04:50 PM)anagogy Wrote: Just research it. SJW culture is doing nothing but trying to suppress free speech:

(05-20-2019, 04:50 PM)anagogy Wrote: Honestly, I think the media is by FAR the most DIVISIVE and STS force in the world today.

(05-20-2019, 04:50 PM)anagogy Wrote: It is the TOOL of the elite STS in our world.

(05-20-2019, 04:50 PM)anagogy Wrote: but when you actually research the effects of many of their policies, the effect is extremely negatively polarized.

(05-20-2019, 04:50 PM)anagogy Wrote: I have, and it rears it head on the both the left and right of the political divide.

(05-21-2019, 07:57 AM)Relaxo Wrote: Greg Braden was recently refused a visa

(05-21-2019, 01:02 PM)Minyatur Wrote: In how speedforce got banned from the forum, I would say that the forum made a choice toward wisdom (reason based control) rather than love (acceptance).

The thread is as such rendered meaningless.

(05-21-2019, 01:33 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

(05-21-2019, 01:02 PM)Minyatur Wrote: In how speedforce got banned from the forum, I would say that the forum made a choice toward wisdom (reason based control) rather than love (acceptance).

The thread is as such rendered meaningless.

The reasons for why speedforce got banned have not been public. There was much more going on behind the scenes with PMs to the moderators that showed he had no desire to work with us in seeking a resolution. It's sort of not fair to make a public call out when you don't have all of the information.

If having a set of guidelines at all is "reason based control" exclusive of "love", then I guess we are guilty hypocrites. We're still going to go forward trying our best in the future.

(05-21-2019, 03:16 PM)blossom Wrote: I also don't believe in banning, it is very saddening.

But you gotta admit people were just poking others with sticks.

I hope they may rejoice us again.

(05-21-2019, 11:54 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote: We are complex, confused entities. When we talk about one thing, we often do so to actually talk about something else, using one subject as a lens upon a deeper, perhaps less tractable conversation. Sometimes on this board dedicated to spiritual principles and growth, we talk about politics in order to illustrate spiritual dynamics. Other times, we talk about spirituality in order to illustrate political dynamics.

I don't think we can ever banish the mundane from this forum, nor would I seek to. I of all people understand that sometimes one needs to work things out in public before one can see one's reflection and finally zip up his fly. But I'd suggest that, when one finds oneself invoking spirituality to discuss politics, rather than using politics as a device to discuss spirituality, it's a wake up call that we've derailed what is important here.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with one another, but we aren't here to agree on politics or weigh in on each others' political opinions. Perhaps it's a failure of my imagination -- it almost certainly is -- but I don't think there can be a true political debate on here that adheres to either the spirit or the letter of the purpose for which Bring4th was set up. 

As somebody who cherishes political debate deeply, it pains me to see such discourse dribble out here when you can go just about anywhere else on the internet and find it. Meanwhile, where is the place the next seeker starting to awaken will find comfort, solace, guidance, a helping hand and a cheerful word to face another day of heavy illusion?

Just my two cents. L/L

(05-21-2019, 11:54 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote: We are complex, confused entities. When we talk about one thing, we often do so to actually talk about something else, using one subject as a lens upon a deeper, perhaps less tractable conversation. Sometimes on this board dedicated to spiritual principles and growth, we talk about politics in order to illustrate spiritual dynamics. Other times, we talk about spirituality in order to illustrate political dynamics.

I don't think we can ever banish the mundane from this forum, nor would I seek to. I of all people understand that sometimes one needs to work things out in public before one can see one's reflection and finally zip up his fly. But I'd suggest that, when one finds oneself invoking spirituality to discuss politics, rather than using politics as a device to discuss spirituality, it's a wake up call that we've derailed what is important here.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with one another, but we aren't here to agree on politics or weigh in on each others' political opinions. Perhaps it's a failure of my imagination -- it almost certainly is -- but I don't think there can be a true political debate on here that adheres to either the spirit or the letter of the purpose for which Bring4th was set up. 

As somebody who cherishes political debate deeply, it pains me to see such discourse dribble out here when you can go just about anywhere else on the internet and find it. Meanwhile, where is the place the next seeker starting to awaken will find comfort, solace, guidance, a helping hand and a cheerful word to face another day of heavy illusion?

Just my two cents. L/L