Quote:Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.

Quote:Gary: Incidentally, I had questions about the orange and yellow ray also. First, a prelude: Is the full negative use of orange and yellow ray that includes separation and control from others, enslavement, manipulation, and so forth, is that a blockage of the orange and yellow rays?

Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my brother. This is a query which is not easy to identify what is blockage and what is not, for it depends upon the polarity of the entity so blocking. The entity of a positive nature who wishes to utilize the yellow and the orange energy centers in its polarization process, does well to open itself freely in the giving and receiving of such energies. If there is the blocking of any energy for any reason which results in the separation of the self from another self, then the positively oriented entity has reduced its ability to polarize in the positive sense.

However, the negatively oriented entity will use such blockages to separate itself from other selves, and because separation and control are the key factors in the negative polarization, this type of blockage, then, serves the negatively oriented entity well, for it is able then to separate itself in a conscious fashion from another being, or other beings or situations, so that this separation allows it to engage in the control and manipulation of the entities or situation, thereby enhancing its ability to polarize in the negative sense.

Is there a further query, my brother?

Gary: Yes. Thank you. I understand that the negative path is a viable one, and that as Ra describes it, there is power in that falsity. But I don’t understand the physics of the energy movement. If the negative entity is blocking, intentionally, orange and yellow ray, how is it that they are drawing power through those centers, even to the point of making contact with Intelligent Infinity?

Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my brother. The negatively oriented entity will block the normal flow of orange- and yellow-ray energies to other individuals or groups in order that it might, in some fashion, gain a control of these individuals or groups’ own orange- and yellow-ray energies, and enhance its own energy system in this blockage and control of others. Then, this energy that is gained from others is able to be added to the negatively oriented entity’s orange and yellow-ray energy centers as they now become unblocked to function in their ability to control other selves.

Is there another query, my brother?

Quote:54.25 Questioner: Then it seems that those on the positive path as opposed to those on the negative path would have precisely the reciprocal objective in the first three rays; red, orange, and yellow. Each path would be attempting to utilize the rays in precisely opposite manners. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is partially and even substantially correct. There is an energy in each of the centers needed to keep the mind/body/spirit complex, which is the vehicle for experience, in correct conformation and composition. Both negative and positive entities do well to reserve this small portion of each center for the maintenance of the integrity of the mind/body/spirit complex. After this point, however, it is correct that the negative will use the three lower centers for separation from and control over others by sexual means, by personal assertion, and by action in your societies.

Contrary-wise, the positively oriented entity will be transmuting strong red-ray sexual energy into green-ray energy transfers and radiation in blue and indigo and will be similarly transmuting selfhood and place in society into energy transfer situations in which the entity may merge with and serve others and then, finally, radiate unto others without expecting any transfer in return.

Quote:46.11 ▶ Questioner: Then are you saying that if a negatively polarized or polarizing entity is unable to control his own anger or unable to control himself in anger that he may cause cancer? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct. The negative polarization contains a great requirement for control and repression.

46.12 ▶ Questioner: A repression of what?

Ra: I am Ra. Any mind complex distortion which you may call emotional which is of itself disorganized, needs, in order to be useful to the negatively oriented entity, to be repressed and then brought to the surface in an organized use. Thus you may find for instance, negatively polarized entities controlling and repressing such basic bodily complex needs as the sexual desire in order that in the practice thereof the will may be used to enforce itself upon the other-self with greater efficiency when the sexual behavior is allowed.

Quote:Kathy: I have one as a follow-up to the previous query. Would an entity so polarized toward the negative always be conscious of that, or be conscious of the fact that they are drawing energy from other selves in order to control and separate? In other words, how conscious does one have to be in order to do that?

Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my sister. The negatively oriented entity, utilizing the orange- and yellow-ray energy centers for separation from and control over others about it, must be totally conscious aware of the situation in which it is engaged, for the negative path is one which requires a certain purity of will and desire in order to function in the negative sense, for the creation about all entities is one of unity. In order to travel the path of that which is not, that is the path of separation from, and control over, others, the negatively-oriented entity must consciously focus all of its energies and desires and intentions upon its goal, that is, to take that which is another’s in the way of energy center activation and production of the yellow and orange ray energies.

Is there a final query at this time?

(10-04-2019, 09:20 AM)Minyatur Wrote: I'm pretty sure there is a quote that says that the negative polarity is dependant upon lower ray blockages but I can't find it, just one about negative sexual energy transfers that speak of blockages.

Quote:In many ways it is quite meaningless to speak of orgasm of male and female in higher densities as the character and nature of orgasm becomes more and more naturally a function of the mind/body/spirit complex as an unit. It may be said that the veil in fourth density is lifted and the choice has been made. In positive polarities true sharing is almost universal. In negative polarities true blockage so that the conqueror obtains orgasm, the conquered almost never, is almost universal. In each case you may see the function of the sexual portion of experience as being a most efficient means of polarization.

Quote:The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions towards power, manipulation, and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex.

Quote:We shall repeat these entities had the potential for sexual energy buildup. The choice of stimulus is certainly the choice of the entity. In the case of which you speak, these entities were strongly polarized orange ray, thus finding the energy blockage of power over others, the putting to death being the ultimate power over others; this then being expressed in a sexual manner, though solitary.

In this case the desire would continue unabated and be virtually unquenchable.

You will find, if you observe the entire spectrum of sexual practices among your peoples, that there are those who experience such gratification from domination over others either from rape or from other means of domination. In each case this is an example of energy blockage which is sexual in its nature.

(10-04-2019, 12:07 AM)Infinite Wrote: It seems the negative entity is blocked in all chakras and absorbs the energy of the others (like a vampire) to contact intelligent infinity.

However, I'm not sure if this channeling isn't distorted. I always thought that STS entities were unblocked in the first three centers and blocked on green and blue.

Are STS entities blocked in orange/yellow centers and consequently vampirize the others to gain more energy and polarity, or does the energy flows normally in the orange/yellow energy centers? What you think?

(10-04-2019, 10:24 PM)peregrine Wrote: Interesting line of inquiry; what's your reason for asking?  Is to to better understand the manipulations in the world around you?  Is it to better understand your own potential for polarization? 

(10-04-2019, 10:24 PM)peregrine Wrote: Yet, from the sto perspective, skillful "blocking" combined with tricks of the trade is what increases polarization.  That is, spiritual power is accumulated by opening one's consciousness to the deeper self in the context, not of the natural ad seriatum energy flow, but from creating a web of energies which ensnares vicitims from which the sts spider may draw energies for its own purposes of increasing polarization.  From the sto point of view, the sts dude has blockages preventing him seeing other beings as self, but from the sts perspective, the operative energy centers are juicy and wonderful, and they help him provide a nice meal for his family.

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THE RIGHT-HAND PATH AND THE LEFT-HAND PATH

The central question now becomes: what is the way in which this conscious, free soul is going to relate to, or seek to interact with, the objective universe or the universe as a whole? The right-hand path answers this question simply by saying that the subjective universe must harmonize itself with the laws of the objective universe—be that envisioned as God or Nature. Humanity is to seek knowledge of the law, and then apply itself to submitting to that law in order to gain ultimate union with the objective universe, with God, or with Nature. The right-hand path is the path of union with universal reality (God or Nature). When this union is completed the individual self will be annihilated; the individual will become one with the divine or natural cosmic order. In this state the ego is destroyed as "heaven" is entered or a nirvana-like existence/nonexistence is "attained." This is clearly the goal of all orthodox Judaic, Christian, Islamic, or Buddhistic sects.

The left-hand path considers the position of humanity as it is; it takes into account the manifest and deep-seated desire of each human being to be a free, empowered, independent actor within his or her world. The pleasure and pain made possible by independent existence are seen as something to be embraced and as the most reasonable signs of the highest, most noble destiny possible for humans to attain—a kind of independent existence on a level usually thought of as divine.

Just as most humans go through their natural, everyday lives seeking that which will give them maximal amounts of such things as knowledge, power, freedom, independence, and distinction within their world, those who walk the left-hand path logically extend this to the nonnatural realm. They eschew right-hand-path admonitions that such spiritual behavior is "evil' and that they should basically "get with the program" (of God, of Nature, etc.) and become good "company men." The self-awareness of independence is seen by many as the fundamental reality of the human condition: one can accept it and live, or reject it and die. By accepting the internal, known reality of human consciousness, an eternally dynamic—ever moving, ever changing—existence is embraced; by rejecting it and embracing an external, unknown reality of God/Nature, an eternally static—ever still and permanent—existence is accepted. From a certain enlightened perspective, both paths are perfectly good, it is just a matter of the conscious exercise of the will to follow one of these paths in an aware state without self-delusion.

Essentially, the left-hand path is the path of nonunion with the objective universe. It is the way of isolating consciousness within the subjective universe and, in a state of self-imposed psychic solitude, refining the soul or psyche to ever more perfect levels. The objective universe is then made to harmonize itself with the will of the individual psyche instead of the other way around. Where the right-hand path is theocentric (or certainly alleocentric: "other-centered"), the left-hand path is psychecentric, or soul/self-centered. Those within the left-hand path may argue over the nature of this self/ego/soul, but the idea that the individual is the epicenter of the path itself seems undisputed. An eternal separation of the individual intelligence from the objective universe is sought in the left-hand path. This amounts to an immortality of the independent self-consciousness moving within the objective universe and interacting with it at will.

(10-05-2019, 06:10 PM)peregrine Wrote: 1.  Positive polarization is not accomplished by simply following rules and claiming to believe the currently approved doctrine.  Although this may be a fundamental distortion of Christianity which became a confessional faith, progression upon the RH path has to do with deep awareness of self, not obsequious patronization of doctrinal rules. The reason one eventually aligns self with Divinity is because one sees Divinity as self, not as an external ruler giver.

(10-05-2019, 06:10 PM)peregrine Wrote: 2.  Yes the L. Hander does deliberately separate self from Creation, but the R. Hander experiences the same, sometimes as the so-called Dark Night of the Soul.  

(10-05-2019, 06:10 PM)peregrine Wrote: 3.  The desire for "Nirvana, non-existence" hardly pervades all sects of all religions mentions.  This is a silly over generalization.  In fact, that concept simply becomes more elusive--or shall I say, more etiolated--as one progresses.  Even in 6D Ra has a personal identity, after all.  And it's not so much about identity as name as it is about having a distinct personal vibrational signature.

(10-05-2019, 06:10 PM)peregrine Wrote: 4.  My general point here is that the two options have a lot more in common than meets the eye, although the experience is certainly distinctive, much the same as, say, men and women. From a distance they both look pretty much like your basic human creature, but close up one sees some distinctions.  Overall, to the extent they can understand one another, they can occasionally make good dance partners.

(10-06-2019, 04:32 PM)flofrog Wrote: I was wondering one thing
It seems to me that to stay on an STS path, blocking the paths of orange and yellow ray is pretty necessary, all the time, but it is also pretty hard since paying less attention,  you might let empathy sink in again, so to keep them block might be essential, then contrary to STO, where you may for a very short time forget service to others, you have to stay on track all the time...

It seems too me pretty hard and exhausting,  lol
Am I wrong in stating all that ?  Any thoughts ?

Quote:17.32 Questioner: What must be the entity’s percentage, shall we say, if he is to be harvested for the negative?

Ra: I am Ra. The entity who wishes to pursue the path of service to self must attain a grade of five, that is five percent service to others, ninety-five percent service to self. It must approach totality. The negative path is quite difficult to attain harvestability upon and requires great dedication.

17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult a path to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a strait and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to other-selves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

(10-06-2019, 10:00 PM)Aion Wrote: Where it says the negative adept 'blocks the normal flow', it's not referring to a blockage, it's talking about the conscious withholding of energy. The normal flow of all centers is 'outwards', that is the natural flow of energy is to radiate out from the center. Normally, energy is 'lost' from every center as it is emitted to communicate and receive feedback from the world. There is a feedback loop of communication. However by 'holding in' the energy flow, you create a condition whereby energy flows in to the center but not out.

Thus, where it says 'blocks', it is referring to a form of conscious condensation of energies. Energy is concentrated and condensed in the lower centers and 'built up'. This building up becomes the power of will that the negative is known for.

(10-07-2019, 03:09 AM)peregrine Wrote:

(10-06-2019, 10:00 PM)Aion Wrote: Where it says the negative adept 'blocks the normal flow', it's not referring to a blockage, it's talking about the conscious withholding of energy. The normal flow of all centers is 'outwards', that is the natural flow of energy is to radiate out from the center. Normally, energy is 'lost' from every center as it is emitted to communicate and receive feedback from the world. There is a feedback loop of communication. However by 'holding in' the energy flow, you create a condition whereby energy flows in to the center but not out.

Thus, where it says 'blocks', it is referring to a form of conscious condensation of energies. Energy is concentrated and condensed in the lower centers and 'built up'. This building up becomes the power of will that the negative is known for.

Thanks.  This is what I was trying to communicate above: to the STO it looks like blockage because energy is kept from moving up to and through the heart, but to the STS it's a happy engorgement, like a pig in a python.

  

(10-07-2019, 03:16 AM)Aion Wrote: Yes, and essentially the negative adept understands that the heart is a radiating center and so must be kept under close watch and control lest it output their carefully condensed energies without purpose.

(10-07-2019, 03:31 AM)peregrine Wrote:

(10-07-2019, 03:16 AM)Aion Wrote: Yes, and essentially the negative adept understands that the heart is a radiating center and so must be kept under close watch and control lest it output their carefully condensed energies without purpose.

As I understand it, the heart has more than one chamber, as it were, and some of the STS crowd work with areas of devotion to comrades and sometimes to a larger cause or with wild and woolly deities, however gory these may be.  Skillful work along these lines can, peradventure, lead to pathways of conquest upwards to higher energy centers.

   

(10-07-2019, 03:39 AM)Aion Wrote: The misunderstanding is the idea that negative clamp the heart closed and never open it again. Truer is that they become increasingly exclusive in how and when it is opened, reserving it for those they deem 'deserving' or 'elite'.

An equal misunderstanding is the idea that the positive opens their heart wide and keeps it open. That is generally not the case. For both there is fluctuation.

(10-07-2019, 11:38 AM)peregrine Wrote:

(10-07-2019, 03:39 AM)Aion Wrote: The misunderstanding is the idea that negative clamp the heart closed and never open it again. Truer is that they become increasingly exclusive in how and when it is opened, reserving it for those they deem 'deserving' or 'elite'.

An equal misunderstanding is the idea that the positive opens their heart wide and keeps it open. That is generally not the case. For both there is fluctuation.

Yes, indeed.  And, taken as an whole, one can learn from both.

As for devotion, as I am given to understand it, this is one vital pathway up through to the sixth chakra and not at all limited to the third.  For example, understanding without devotion is comparatively greatly limited because the latter informs one how to apply the former.  Devotion and polarity are closely linked.  I would observe that one element which makes Ra's expressions so pure is the rare purity of their devotion to their seeking.

   

(10-07-2019, 04:07 PM)flofrog Wrote: Which is why the right balance of opening the yellow ray is so essential to progress.  I mean, I am thinking in this case  of STO.

(10-07-2019, 04:56 PM)Aion Wrote:

(10-07-2019, 04:07 PM)flofrog Wrote: Which is why the right balance of opening the yellow ray is so essential to progress.  I mean, I am thinking in this case  of STO.

For sure, I was actually pondering this on my walk today.

The other way of thinking of radiation and absorption is in terms of giving and receiving. This is actually what the word kabbalah means fully. To give and to receive, and the divine art refers to that activity in relation to the Creator. Not just to receive from the universe, but to give to it.

Thought in these terms, the negative entity thus receives a lot and gives very little. The balanced positive entity only needs to give 51% to be considered polarized positive. That means you just have to give a bit more than you receive, pay things forward with interest, to lean towards the positive. Thus, when we think of highly positively polarized entities they are pre-occupied with giving.

However, here is the cosmic game and paradox. For one to give, there must be one to receive. For one to receive, there must be one to give. There is a divine mystery in there,

(10-07-2019, 04:56 PM)Aion Wrote: Thought in these terms, the negative entity thus receives a lot and gives very little. The balanced positive entity only needs to give 51% to be considered polarized positive. That means you just have to give a bit more than you receive, pay things forward with interest, to lean towards the positive. Thus, when we think of highly positively polarized entities they are pre-occupied with giving.

Quote:As we have said, this instrument, feeling that it lacked compassion to balance wisdom, chose an incarnative experience whereby it was of necessity placed in situations of accepting self in the absence of other-selves’ acceptance and the acceptance of other-self without expecting a return or energy transfer. This is not an easy program for an incarnation but was deemed proper by this entity. This entity therefore must needs meditate and consciously, moment by moment, accept the self in its limitations which have been placed for the very purpose of bringing this entity to the precise tuning we are using. Further, having learned to radiate acceptance and love without expecting return, this entity now must balance this by learning to accept the gifts of love and acceptance of others which this instrument feels some discomfort in accepting.

Quote:On the other hand, however, you are correct in your assumption that the green ray response is not as refined as that which has been imbued with wisdom. This wisdom enables the entity to appreciate its contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of its being, without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes.

Quote:Serving someone is not necessarily pleasing the entity. Serving someone is not necessarily doing anything to, with or for an entity. Serving someone is fundamentally the awareness that you and the person you are serving are one entity, united, singular and absolutely equal. Rejoicing in the apparent differences, a servant of the light relates to other selves as “themselves,” knowing that the self and the other-self are a certain kind of entity, citizens of eternity, dwellers beyond time and space, within a universe that is as wide as infinity and as small as the interior of the human heart (...).

Quote:17.33 ▶ Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult a path to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a strait and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to other-selves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

(10-07-2019, 04:56 PM)Aion Wrote: However, here is the cosmic game and paradox. For one to give, there must be one to receive. For one to receive, there must be one to give. There is a divine mystery in there,

(10-10-2019, 12:08 PM)Diana Wrote:

(10-07-2019, 04:56 PM)Aion Wrote: However, here is the cosmic game and paradox. For one to give, there must be one to receive. For one to receive, there must be one to give. There is a divine mystery in there,

Some other thoughts regarding this...

If one radiates, then it doesn't matter if there is anyone to receive it. One just radiates because that is the individual nature. If I go to a mall, and there are hundreds of people there milling about, and I look around at them and feel love for all of them as they go about their lives, the love I generate needs no recipient. It just is.

If one has the intention to give, then a recipient is required. I think this includes an expectation of being recognized for giving, or at least a recognition within self for giving. If one is detached, with no expectation of outcome, giving freely, because that is the self's nature, I'm not sure there is any requirement for a recipient. Any recipient would be random, so to speak, and making a decision to receive from the all, rather than giving/receiving being an event between two entities.

Absorption requires something to be absorbed outside of self. So, STS absorption and STO radiation (when done with the intention of giving to a recipient) could be viewed as two sides of the same coin—one with expectations. So given this supposition, it is detachment and no thought of outcome that makes a difference, rather than intention regarding whether one wants to give or take.

(10-10-2019, 01:56 PM)Aion Wrote: I think the only thing I would add is that there is never 'no one to receive', in my understanding of the inter-connectedness of the universe, and I would even go so far as to say that even all passive radiation if not directly absorbed by a sentient being is still received by the Creator as that is the feedback loop. There are no isolated entities.

(10-09-2019, 03:14 PM)Aion Wrote: I generally agree with you, I would just say that for my initial statement I never qualified it as being 'material' giving and receiving, but it's worth clarifying.

(10-04-2019, 12:07 AM)Infinite Wrote: Ra described the two polarities like this:

Quote:Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.

(93.3)

I never take that literally.

Quote:Are STS entities blocked in orange/yellow centers and consequently vampirize the others