(11-06-2019, 11:00 AM)Loki Wrote: Don't you think Trump is assisted by 5D negative. I see evil in Trump clearly but he was elected because of evil by people that hated and feared above all. Trust me this species is easily corruptible by evil.

(11-06-2019, 09:44 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: As to the original post, don't get me wrong, I see why there wpuld be Orion preaence and activity, but I don't understand why they would go to such lengths as having 5D entities get off their lazy asses and PERSONALLY come down here to influence the harvest. It just seems to me that Earth must be PARTICULARLY important in order to warrant that level of involvement from a 5D NEGATIVE?

• Planet Earth is a hot potpourri of various 3D xenoplanetary civilizations. Thwarting a "positive harvest" would mean they get to repeat/resume the grade elsewhere where their "polarization" may be further swayed towards "negative harvest."
  

• Planet Earth has a hefty injection of 5D-6D "wanderers" into its mesh. To kick one of those in the teeth is achievement enough for the 5D entity that "trumps" them.
  

(11-06-2019, 09:44 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:

(11-06-2019, 11:00 AM)Loki Wrote: Don't you think Trump is assisted by 5D negative. I see evil in Trump clearly but he was elected because of evil by people that hated and feared above all. Trust me this species is easily corruptible by evil.

**rolls eyes** Yes, 46 million Americans are evil, hateful and fearful, because they don't see eye to eye with your politics. I've already made clear my stance about Trump.

As to the original post, don't get me wrong, I see why there wpuld be Orion preaence and activity, but I don't understand why they would go to such lengths as having 5D entities get off their lazy asses and PERSONALLY come down here to influence the harvest. It just seems to me that Earth must be PARTICULARLY important in order to warrant that level of involvement from a 5D NEGATIVE?

(11-06-2019, 11:26 PM)Silk Wrote:

(11-06-2019, 09:44 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: As to the original post, don't get me wrong, I see why there wpuld be Orion preaence and activity, but I don't understand why they would go to such lengths as having 5D entities get off their lazy asses and PERSONALLY come down here to influence the harvest. It just seems to me that Earth must be PARTICULARLY important in order to warrant that level of involvement from a 5D NEGATIVE?

Hardly lazy They know when to act and when to rest. Such are the perks of wisdom. 4D doesn't, so it's much more "active" (all those millions of non-terrestrial UFOs and "channelings" and abductees/contactees and whatnot!).

More to the point:

• Planet Earth is a hot potpourri of various 3D xenoplanetary civilizations. Thwarting a "positive harvest" would mean they get to repeat/resume the grade elsewhere where their "polarization" may be further swayed towards "negative harvest."
  

• Planet Earth has a hefty injection of 5D-6D "wanderers" into its mesh. To kick one of those in the teeth is achievement enough for the 5D entity that "trumps" them.
  

Does this type of information get you closer to the Creator/Infinity beyond all illusion of multiplicity of parts?

(11-06-2019, 08:45 PM)Infinite Wrote: There are still here entities with possibility of STS harvest.

(11-06-2019, 11:36 PM)Loki Wrote:

(11-06-2019, 09:44 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:

(11-06-2019, 11:00 AM)Loki Wrote: Don't you think Trump is assisted by 5D negative. I see evil in Trump clearly but he was elected because of evil by people that hated and feared above all. Trust me this species is easily corruptible by evil.

**rolls eyes** Yes, 46 million Americans are evil, hateful and fearful, because they don't see eye to eye with your politics. I've already made clear my stance about Trump.

As to the original post, don't get me wrong, I see why there wpuld be Orion preaence and activity, but I don't understand why they would go to such lengths as having 5D entities get off their lazy asses and PERSONALLY come down here to influence the harvest. It just seems to me that Earth must be PARTICULARLY important in order to warrant that level of involvement from a 5D NEGATIVE?

when Hitler took power lots of neutral Germans deviated in very few years towards negative polarity. The majority cooperated with evil and very few only were on the positive side many paying the ultimate price for their opposition to evil.

For me is very clear that the neutral are undecided voting positive or negative. You can roll your eyes but when people vote in power a person who's agenda is separation they voted evil. what makes someone want to separate? Fear? Hate? You think love is the real reason people voted Trump? Did you find any love in Trump's message?

Look at mob killings around the world. Do you think those killers are genuinely concerned about justice when they kill? what make them stone to death people they did not know existed until 5 minutes before they killed them?

I think game is on in fight for this planet and I do not see reasons to be optimistic.

And if the harvest for this period is over there is certainly the next period and doesn't hurt to have lots of polarized negatively entities ready to progress in STS direction in their next incarnation.

(11-07-2019, 08:54 AM)Loki Wrote: Please don't misunderstand what I wrote and be patient digesting my message, I did not attack you and I do not know your opinion about Trump. I do not know you and I do not follow your posts. Accept that different people have different opinions and as the Wanderer you are don't get angry on lesser beings. Non-wandering being like me are Creation too, hopefully.

I am sorry my opinion made you angry this wasn't my intention, I thought you want some feedback to your questions. When you post a thread you need to accept the risk of some posting opinions you disagree with but you do not need to abuse them in your responses because of it.

I think you despite being wanderer are fundamentally confused like the rest of us. As Don said Law of Confusion is working overtime these days.

Don't lose hope though and keep your mind calm.

(11-07-2019, 10:37 AM)Jade Wrote: Why is Earth of such interest to the Orion Empire?

It appears part of that may be because Earthlings have been super primed to subjugate themselves to the "elite". Idk that's just a hunch.

It isn't about harvesting more negative entities, although that is definitely a win. It's about depolarizing positive entities, or arresting the development of potentially positive entities. Those who have incarnated at this time have done so because of seniority of vibration - meaning, everyone who is still third density who is incarnate right now has a chance to make it to fourth density harvest. Most won't. And it's because of the influence of those who wield falsity.

The Orion Empire can work with lower chakra blockages to keep people locked in a state of anger and fear, which prevents them from reaching the heart chakra. This forces these entities to repeat another planetary third density cycle.

Forcing entities to repeat another cycle seems to behoove the Orion Empire. I'm guessing that, as they have made significant inroads on our social memory complex, those inroads don't necessarily go away when a cycle starts over. I could be wrong. But it seems to me Orion has programmed some pretty fun toys that they want to keep playing with.

Ra says that it wasn't until Yahweh interfered and genetically manipulated us that Orion was able to make any inroads at all. A fresh third density experience takes a lot of work. A recycled third density probably retains artifacts of promulgation of the elite, artifacts of a bellicose trading system, etc.

The harvest isn't over. Everyone who is alive right now will still have to walk the steps of light upon their death. What we are doing now is still affecting the outcome of the future.

(11-07-2019, 08:35 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Loki s joke about phoenix being a bona fide wanderer 500 plus posts was pretty funny. Even if i empath read it wrong. Marianne williamson is correct that the negative emotions are being harvested and manipulated, although the admin has their own goals.

The deep state are vassals of a 3rd negative orion group, headed by 4thg density gods. It is a kind of divide and conquer. My post under the thread why neg 6th will polarize towards positive sto may help.

So what is 5th orion d doing? They evangelize towards 6th density incarnations. The red vs blue is a good opportunity to find 6th density incarnations and get them in karma. But also consider the primary goal of orion is power. Power to do what? To liberate all of creation from the demiurge or Creator. The 5th is learning from how the confederation intervenes here, so they can figure out how to free the slaves of god from love. Tech. Source god. Earth is a school. Why are 6th densities on earth as humans? Each group has a philosophy and goal. Find their ideas and weakness shows.

So would 5th density support division on earth? Yes. Keeping even one entity in 3rd so they can hear sts path is enough of a liberation. Qhy does Ra call them crusaders? A crusader is fighting a holy war under the church of satan hierarchy.

(11-06-2019, 09:44 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:

(11-06-2019, 11:00 AM)Loki Wrote: Don't you think Trump is assisted by 5D negative. I see evil in Trump clearly but he was elected because of evil by people that hated and feared above all. Trust me this species is easily corruptible by evil.

**rolls eyes** Yes, 46 million Americans are evil, hateful and fearful, because they don't see eye to eye with your politics. I've already made clear my stance about Trump.

As to the original post, don't get me wrong, I see why there wpuld be Orion preaence and activity, but I don't understand why they would go to such lengths as having 5D entities get off their lazy asses and PERSONALLY come down here to influence the harvest. It just seems to me that Earth must be PARTICULARLY important in order to warrant that level of involvement from a 5D NEGATIVE?

Quote:his was very helpful Ymarsakar. Thank you for sharing your insight. Makes plenty of sense. And thank you for the whole "demiurge" bit of info. That explains more about Orion ideology and makes things more sense. Although it still puzzles me why they would rely so heavilly on ENSLAVEMENT in order to free all from slavery. That is amusingly absurd to me. One COULD say they may see themselves as fighting fire with fire and using the system of enslavement against the enslaving demiurge, but then once they destroy whatever they're fighting against, what do they expect to replace it with and how is that any better? Just more questions to wonder, if that is the case for the Orion empire.

As for Loki's wanderer comments... Loki did not seem to be joking with the wanderer thing, but then again, it IS hard to pick up sarcasm over text. I've seen enough people on these forums just assume wanderer status to themselves or others without much critical analysis put into the assumption that I just took his comments as typical for the forum. Interesting you read it as a joke. Tell me, is it not possible for a wanderer to fall into the sinkhole of indifference or become negative over the course of their life? If it is possible, then what would make the implication of me being a wanderer humorous? Something is only funny if there is absurdity to it. The idea of a wanderer becoming less positive over the course of their incarnation is not absurd. It is in fact QUITE possible. Not saying I think I'm a wanderer, but why laugh at the notion? It IS quite possible that I am. And it IS quite possible that I am not. How would one REALLY be able to tell with such a thick veil of confusion?

(11-07-2019, 08:35 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: When they incarnate, they will game the system compared to less experienced souls.  It is like a gm, web moderator, smurf accounting as a new player. Their skills or knowledge gives it away.

(11-07-2019, 09:53 PM)ada Wrote:

(11-07-2019, 08:35 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: When they incarnate, they will game the system compared to less experienced souls.  It is like a gm, web moderator, smurf accounting as a new player. Their skills or knowledge gives it away.

All who incarnate on this veiled planet become somewhat closely equal, the higher or denser bodies are not activated, this was stated in the material. As well as that it is of no benefit and only a risk for negative higher density entities to incarnate on a veiled third density planet. They may polarize and work much easily from a safe place of no forgetting with their denser bodies activated.

I meddle into this conversation now because I feel that it does us no good judging at each other in such ways, life here is already difficult, so might we try and ease on ourselves and realize that even those whom seem the most negative are but only confused and lost, and not some high negative entities playing "gm". Ironically enough, in my opinion, we ourselves create and give such power to others whom we fear or subject to being "above". If you decide that someone is above you because of this or that, you create that, it is not what is. To a balanced entity all is a reflection of the creator, there are those who seek a different kind of experience, but they are not more or above you. It may only seem so in a materialistic point of view, but your heart is equal to all creation.

(11-07-2019, 09:47 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Re wanderers, perhaps a parable will do. In the hall of the ancients, there was the greatest warrior explorer, who claimed that with his xp, he could go to hell and conquer the affections of all the queen princess waifus there.

I take a peek in 5000 years and see this guy being thrashed around by all the weak girls and waifus. Lol. End of story.

Wanderers can fall down. That is not the funny part.

(11-07-2019, 09:53 PM)ada Wrote:

(11-07-2019, 08:35 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: When they incarnate, they will game the system compared to less experienced souls.  It is like a gm, web moderator, smurf accounting as a new player. Their skills or knowledge gives it away.

All who incarnate on this veiled planet become somewhat closely equal, the higher or denser bodies are not activated, this was stated in the material. As well as that it is of no benefit and only a risk for negative higher density entities to incarnate on a veiled third density planet. They may polarize and work much easily from a safe place of no forgetting with their denser bodies activated.

I meddle into this conversation now because I feel that it does us no good judging at each other in such ways, life here is already difficult, so might we try and ease on ourselves and realize that even those whom seem the most negative are but only confused and lost, and not some high negative entities playing "gm". Ironically enough, in my opinion, we ourselves create and give such power to others whom we fear or subject to being "above". If you decide that someone is above you because of this or that, you create that, it is not what is. To a balanced entity all is a reflection of the creator, there are those who seek a different kind of experience, but they are not more or above you. It may only seem so in a materialistic point of view, but your heart is equal to all creation.

(11-07-2019, 10:04 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote:

(11-07-2019, 09:53 PM)ada Wrote:

(11-07-2019, 08:35 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: When they incarnate, they will game the system compared to less experienced souls.  It is like a gm, web moderator, smurf accounting as a new player. Their skills or knowledge gives it away.

All who incarnate on this veiled planet become somewhat closely equal, the higher or denser bodies are not activated, this was stated in the material. As well as that it is of no benefit and only a risk for negative higher density entities to incarnate on a veiled third density planet. They may polarize and work much easily from a safe place of no forgetting with their denser bodies activated.

I meddle into this conversation now because I feel that it does us no good judging at each other in such ways, life here is already difficult, so might we try and ease on ourselves and realize that even those whom seem the most negative are but only confused and lost, and not some high negative entities playing "gm". Ironically enough, in my opinion, we ourselves create and give such power to others whom we fear or subject to being "above". If you decide that someone is above you because of this or that, you create that, it is not what is. To a balanced entity all is a reflection of the creator, there are those who seek a different kind of experience, but they are not more or above you. It may only seem so in a materialistic point of view, but your heart is equal to all creation.

I refer not to the activation of god mode green or indigo ray vehichles. That would be too op for 3rd density newbies. I refer to a veteran player s ability to speed run a 50 hour game in less than 7 hours using wisdom and almost cheat like precog planning. A new player would takle over 50 hours to finish assum8ng any even finished. Same game. No unfair starts.

If people do not know how vedic astrology works, that would make understand a tad difficult.

Disharmony as a result of class differences is what arm chair orions like. Which is why i interpret the 500 plus post bona fide wanderer title people have here as a joke. In that case, it is baked into the cake. Pyramid hierarchy based on seniority.