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My take on masks. - curio_city - 08-14-2020 My take on masks is that I don’t like them. The rhetoric around why masks should be worn is well-known to most, and in a brilliant political move, even the conservative, federalist US president has endorsed mask-wearing and is attempting to brand it as patriotic. It is brilliant because he has taken away a divisive bludgeon of predominantly his opponents’ wielding. In our age, weapons can be so abstract; so psychological. But what if the abstract is more real than we are, or at least more real than how we perceive things to be? If this were the case, then mask-wearing could be a very effective weapon with consequences that span, clandestinely, through all time and space; it would be a weapon of mind, body, and psyche, in the form of the abstract, consensus tendencies that are adopted then collectively progressed. Now, let’s examine mask-wearing under the lens of mask-wearing as weaponry. I have wondered what the long-term psychosocial impact could be for us -- and maybe especially for children -- of not seeing the bottom half of strangers’ faces for such a prolonged period. How will our youngest grow to feel about strangers? And with this very healthy[1] push for alternative, digital media for communication, are we genuinely okay raising adults who echo the sentiment, “Video chat is as good as, if not better than, in-person”? I’m not so sure I am. I want to see peoples’ faces when we speak. I want to see when someone is smiling at me, just as I want people to see when I smile at them. I think the small things count. I think when people are contentious to the extent they have been, this divided and emotionally charged, things like being polite and maybe even a little nice could go a long way. Maybe it’s not such a bad thing for people to breathe the same air, instead of our own. We’ve had a tricky relationship with things like bacteria. Our understanding of many things related to health developed over a long period of time. I, for one, don’t mind breathing others’ air. Up until fairly recently, I think many people would have agreed with me. I still don’t mind it though, and I’m not convinced that avoiding it is the best thing for any of us. I am aware that our elderly may be particularly susceptible, and I feel compassion for anyone who has a heightened fear of dying; that fear can get in the way of living the fullest life, and the adage comes to mind, “A life lived in fear is a life half-lived.” Why not want the fullest lives everyone is capable of living? What does seem like a good idea, though, is exercising caution when it comes to what “New medical evidence suggests.” Maybe we should consider that medical evidence sometimes may lag behind experience, and that we are known for partaking in cures that are worse than the disease, though it may not always be the case. Sometimes we have cures that seem to be the best idea. Benjamin Franklin makes a good point in his autobiography regarding his four-year-old son’s death from smallpox when he ponders that if there’s a chance of death either way, perhaps it’s better to choose the easier path -- especially for those we love. I think that makes sense, and I think people should have the choice. Also in his autobiography, Dr. Franklin noted a way of life that has stood out to me. When landing in a new port, it was customary, at least for him, to find someone of good countenance to ask for directions. How uncommon it seems nowadays that a person has to approach another person in order to learn something about the lay of the land, and to select a person based on nothing more than the feeling in one’s gut and some good sense in one’s head. I don’t feel that’s the general case anymore. Children nowadays develop agoraphobia, with some being too scared even to go outside and play unless a watchful guardian is just a few feet away. Children are at a unique phase of psychosocial development, and it’s not surprising that some may develop lasting complexes due to the status of strangers as the faceless unknown. The world seems much scarier and darker when there’s little evidence that people other than those in one’s close tribe are good-natured and well-meaning. Maybe we should start seriously weighing the wellbeing of the mind and body, as well as paying attention to emotional states, when making decisions around mask-wearing and other important topics. Maybe we should wonder if breathing the air of those around us activates aspects of our DNA that might be useful in easing global tensions. Maybe we should consider how far we are willing to run for fear of death and how many liberties we are willing to give up for any amount of supposed benefit. Maybe the most effective weapons are abstract, since maybe all of what we deem reality is nothing more than a consensus illusion created by thoughtful belief. Maybe sometimes it’s just nice to see a stranger smile. [1] “Healthy” defined as “alive and well” RE: My take on masks. - sillypumpkins - 08-14-2020 I like your perspective, curio_city. It's refreshing It's given me sometin to think about too take care RE: My take on masks. - AnthroHeart - 08-14-2020 I don't mind masks. They are just an appearance. Part of the illusion, the dance. I don't take the whole thing so seriously. RE: My take on masks. - curio_city - 08-14-2020 (08-14-2020, 03:47 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I don't mind masks. They are just an appearance. Part of the illusion, the dance. Do you feel that there could be less "inconvenience" during this harvest if individuals are aware of certain thinkings, such as the physical and mental -- and by extension, spiritual -- impacts of something like mask-wearing? How far a circle do you draw when it comes to service to others, and the means by which one may be of service? It's not everyone who shares your unique perspective on masks in this illusion; what about those who lack your perspective and may be more beholden to karmic patterns? RE: My take on masks. - AnthroHeart - 08-14-2020 (08-14-2020, 04:23 PM)curio_city Wrote:(08-14-2020, 03:47 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I don't mind masks. They are just an appearance. Part of the illusion, the dance. I think that whatever happens, everyone is right where they need to be. I have one friend who is so skeptical of spirituality that I showed him a CIA paper that confirms chakras, parallel realities, astral projection, etc, and he still denies it. Some people live in their own world, and that is just fine. RE: My take on masks. - curio_city - 08-14-2020 (08-14-2020, 04:34 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:(08-14-2020, 04:23 PM)curio_city Wrote:(08-14-2020, 03:47 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I don't mind masks. They are just an appearance. Part of the illusion, the dance. I edited this into my last reply but I don't think I did so in time so I will post here: One thing that has stood out to me in the Ra Material is how ways to be of service can vary so greatly. One of the drives of subsequent densities, I believe, is to determine those ways to be of greatest service. For those with wandering distortions, what greater way to be of service to others than to brave the hard 3rd density beyond the veil of forgetting? And now that we're here -- what next? It's certainly up to each individual's discernment how to be of greatest service, but the greatest services achievable may require a perspective of others' development. What do others most need to encourage the most positive advancement on their parts? These discernments become trickier, as in more nuanced and abstract, and they don't go away even up through Ra's density, which is evidenced by the fact that Ra is still learning how to be of greatest service to the positive advancement of earth. I take a hint from this, and attempt to consider the greatest way I can be of service to others. So while I agree that people are where they need to be, I do not believe in predetermination, and so I feel a responsibility to increase that number for whom "where they need to be" is as part of the harvest. Might that not be a typical primary aim of a wanderer, at least prior to incarnation? RE: My take on masks. - AnthroHeart - 08-14-2020 You can't really change where people need to be. I stopped trying to convince my skeptic friend. It was doing more harm than good. RE: My take on masks. - curio_city - 08-14-2020 (08-14-2020, 05:50 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: You can't really change where people need to be. But can we, through our infinite uniqueness, have some impact on the catalysts available to others, and strive to provide catalysts that may in turn provide for the greatest development? Is this not what those in densities beyond here must contemplate as well? Without some of the many experiences I've had, provided through a variety of infinitely unique catalysts, where I need to be at this moment may have varied. Without, for instance, certain works that have had a great influence on your thinking, where would you need to be at this moment versus where you are now? RE: My take on masks. - AnthroHeart - 08-14-2020 (08-14-2020, 06:17 PM)curio_city Wrote:(08-14-2020, 05:50 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: You can't really change where people need to be. Which parallel reality are you talking about, and why would one parallel earth be more important than another? Ultimately, we are all things. Circumstances don't matter. State of being matters. When we die, I think what will matter is how much we loved, even when it was hard. We love people by not trying to change them. RE: My take on masks. - curio_city - 08-14-2020 Why not teach a man to fish instead of giving him fish? Teaching him to fish feeds him for life, and gives him the opportunity to teach others to fish, give them fish, or whatever else. The decision to give one choice of catalyst over another is a nuanced aspect of advancement. When catalyst are presented and action is performed, "parallel possibility/probability vortices cease... and new probability/possibility vortices are begun" (11.3). Therefore, when one presents a catalyst to another in an effort to provide the greatest chance / least hindrance of positive advancement -- such as by providing for another's continual ability to feed the self, thereby allowing for better health and higher pursuits -- one is, is some way, staking one's polarity on the decision. There are multiple instances in the Ra Material where "loss of polarity" comes up when there is a potential infringement on another's free will by providing more pointed catalyst. Ra seems to care a great deal about providing the best catalysts according to its discernment, being required to consider a great deal more through our space/time and time/space in order to maintain or advance its own polarity, the latter providing for greater potentials for service to others. What if another's Oversoul's programming has encouraged the other self -- through decisions made through free will -- into my experience for the purpose of our companionship, just as my programming and decisions encouraged a similar trajectory? The possibility/probability vortices beginning from each moment would provide for, in increasing proportion, some shared experiences. The shared experiences, in question, may entail communication that leads to the learn/teaching and teach/learning of these individuals and greater approximations of the Law of One between the two. Each shoulders responsibility for individual polarity throughout their experiences, with some of their possibility/probability vortices providing for greater opportunities for service to others. In this manner, thoughtful action may be given to increase potentials, for the self and other self, for service to others. Is an adept's love without action anything more than groping around in the moonlight? I really appreciate this discussion with you -- thanks for taking the time. RE: My take on masks. - Infinite Unity - 08-14-2020 Polarity is staked in every situation. Some so micro, none but the most sensitive would be aware. Also the bilateral from time/space to space/time has a conjunction period. Which throws off awareness of the impact of choices/actions. However life arrangements are not usually so cut and dry, as an entity learns and grows it steps through major gateways of choice/learning/growth that usher it down a certain flow or conduit in the river. Depending on the gateway or direction chosen alternates certain life setups or arrangements. It usually begins when we are young, and some of are earliest memories, where a shot of awareness/memory takes place, are moments of this choice/learning/growth of path chosen/taken. I’m also aware of the higher self “pruning” counterparts. RE: My take on masks. - AnthroHeart - 08-14-2020 (08-14-2020, 10:25 PM)curio_city Wrote: Why not teach a man to fish instead of giving him fish? Teaching him to fish feeds him for life, and gives him the opportunity to teach others to fish, give them fish, or whatever else. The decision to give one choice of catalyst over another is a nuanced aspect of advancement. When catalyst are presented and action is performed, "parallel possibility/probability vortices cease... and new probability/possibility vortices are begun" (11.3). Therefore, when one presents a catalyst to another in an effort to provide the greatest chance / least hindrance of positive advancement -- such as by providing for another's continual ability to feed the self, thereby allowing for better health and higher pursuits -- one is, is some way, staking one's polarity on the decision. Why not give them a fish and also teach them to fish? It's kind of hard to fish when you're starving. RE: My take on masks. - unity100 - 08-19-2020 Not wearing masks to take measures against an infectious disease is a delirious idiocy that is only found among US right wing. There is no other corner of the planet in which there is a delirious, organized opposition to taking measures for saving people's lives. Even where ultra far right types organized 'protests' in certain cities in Europe, only a few hundred people showed up. Even far-right neonazis avoided getting associated with this kind of delirium. It is not even a question that someone who cares for other people would take utmost of measures to prevent other people in case s/he is infected. RE: My take on masks. - David_1 - 08-20-2020 It seems that the intent by those who designed and created the virus, was that it would have caused massive deaths. But the powers of the unseen spiritually positive warriors guarding this planet exceed those of evil. So the result was that the virus turned out to not be nearly as deadly as had been intended by its creators. In the U.S. the data shows that the number of people hospitalized due to the virus during the past month is falling roughly 1% per day. I expect similar events to happen throughout the world. Live a life thankful for what you have. We will get through this. RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-20-2020 I would prefer not to wear a mask when singing in my choir. ![]() RE: My take on masks. - Diana - 08-20-2020 (08-19-2020, 01:22 PM)unity100 Wrote: Not wearing masks to take measures against an infectious disease is a delirious idiocy that is only found among US right wing. As an alternative opinion to yours, Unity100, the following is from Dr. Gabriel Cousens in a newsletter I got this morning: Quote:Dear Friends, He goes on to recommend optimizing a healthy immune system as the best defense. RE: My take on masks. - curio_city - 08-20-2020 (08-19-2020, 01:22 PM)unity100 Wrote: Not wearing masks to take measures against an infectious disease is a delirious idiocy that is only found among US right wing. It can be difficult to know how best to live the Law of One. We have the Ra Material, but of course, there are so many nuances to life that discerning the most positive path possible to navigate a situation seems unlikely. Consider the broad strokes: Do masks support a coming together and a unity or do they support a moving apart and an isolation? I think that may be for each person to decide, but there are general trends that are created and promoted through consensus. What is the general trend being created by mask wearing? Curious to know your thoughts. RE: My take on masks. - sillypumpkins - 08-20-2020 I have trouble with the whole “masks don’t work” thing. They literally block saliva/mucus from the mouth. If I breath into a mask and put my hand on the other side, i can’t feel my breath. So how can people say they don’t work? There are very simple experiments you can do that prove that they work..... RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-20-2020 (08-20-2020, 02:56 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: I have trouble with the whole “masks don’t work” thing. It's not that they don't work. It's that they are mostly not worn correctly. That is why they don't give great results in studies. RE: My take on masks. - AnthroHeart - 08-20-2020 Wouldn't you need a surgical mask to work correctly? I heard a mask is like building a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes. RE: My take on masks. - sillypumpkins - 08-20-2020 (08-20-2020, 03:55 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I heard a mask is like building a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes. That would depend on the material of the mask methinks....... RE: My take on masks. - moyal - 08-20-2020 meanwhile... Quote:[...](L) Now one thing that's really been bugging me is this thing about masks. For years, they put all this money and effort into creating facial recognition software. They put cameras everywhere. Now all of a sudden they're putting masks on everybody which makes facial recognition software just completely obsolete - after all that money and time and effort! So, what's the real deal with the masks? RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-20-2020 If they want to chip us, they should just do it when we are born at the hospital. Why go to all this trouble to invent a reason to just vaccine (chip) people once they're adult and can refuse? Makes no sense to me. Plus, all of that is just fear based information, which does not fly with me. In the end, nothing to worry about, Love is the great protector. RE: My take on masks. - Glow - 08-20-2020 The chip fear is very strange, like someone from 1980 pre cell phone kind of tech. came up with it. We are way beyond microchips. There is a lot of real stuff to be afraid of if you are tied to the human experience. That’s not one to worry about. We carry around a chip with its own internet signal, gps tracking, microphone, photo documentation of what we do, our search histories who we talk to text and email histories, and we charge a battery near daily so it always can send and recieve signals. We willingly carry a way better tracking device every day. RE: My take on masks. - moyal - 08-21-2020 (08-20-2020, 10:49 PM)Glow Wrote: The chip fear is very strange, like someone from 1980 pre cell phone kind of tech. came up with it. The above just shows an abyss of ignorance about contemporary technology. And that's just about the 'official' tech. Microchips? Cell phone? Are you for real? It would be 'Nanochips', of course: -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanoelectronics -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanomedicine RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-21-2020 (08-21-2020, 12:13 AM)moyal Wrote: ... They don't even need tech. They already have hordes of negative entities following us everywhere and trying to influence us. All part of the game, nothing to worry about. ![]() RE: My take on masks. - Spaced - 08-21-2020 (08-20-2020, 01:29 PM)curio_city Wrote:(08-19-2020, 01:22 PM)unity100 Wrote: Not wearing masks to take measures against an infectious disease is a delirious idiocy that is only found among US right wing. To me, wearing a mask is a sign of solidarity with your community. By wearing a mask you are taking seriously the responsibility for keeping your community healthy and slowing the spread of disease. Seeing people wearing masks and following recommendations from healthcare professionals is encouraging and makes me feel like we are all working together, doing our part to take care of each other. If you look at the world, countries that are dealing with the pandemic the best are ones with a strong communal ethic and the ones that are doing the worst are ones where individualism and personal choice are placed above the needs of society. I'm sick of all the social distancing and not seeing my family who live far away, but the only way to get through all of this is to take it seriously and do our part. RE: My take on masks. - moyal - 08-21-2020 OK… IT’S OFFICIALLY “TOTALLY NUTS” NOW… -> https://gizadeathstar.com/2020/08/ok-its-officially-totally-nuts-now/ RE: My take on masks. - Patrick - 08-21-2020 (08-21-2020, 10:04 AM)moyal Wrote: OK… IT’S OFFICIALLY “TOTALLY NUTS” NOW… I'll admit that's funny. ![]() ![]() RE: My take on masks. - curio_city - 08-21-2020 (08-21-2020, 08:54 AM)Spaced Wrote:(08-20-2020, 01:29 PM)curio_city Wrote:(08-19-2020, 01:22 PM)unity100 Wrote: Not wearing masks to take measures against an infectious disease is a delirious idiocy that is only found among US right wing. Statements like "solidarity with your community," "taking seriously the responsibility for keeping your community healthy," and "strong communal ethic" seem to indicate an inclination toward communism. As well, the observation that "individualism and personal choice... placed above the needs of society" is to a country's detriment raises some important questions. Namely, what liberties do you feel should be abrogated for the supposed good of the community? Is there any indication in the Law of One that individuals of our density should be inclined toward community over individual? Do you see "service to others" as solidarity with a community? |