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What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - SP1 - 10-27-2020
So when I started this journey I was imagining love is like the love you feel for a child, spouse, pet, etc.
That deep feeling you have -- you know the one.
But after more research I think love may mean something different in higher densities.
For example, after reading through channellings from Ra and other higher density beings, I always 'felt' like they lacked loved and compassion.
Sure they expressed these things, but I never felt it.
I always felt they were unsympathetic to Carla's suffering, sure they offered advise, but they were very 'practical' about the whole thing -- not emotional.
It would make sense that higher density beings have conquered emotion? Or maybe they never had this particular emotion?
Is that why they preach 'love' constanntly? They are obsessed with this word.
Maybe it's just me -- if so -- then please let me know.
So I was considering that love is more similar to respect in higher dimension beings.
Do they even understand the human emotion love?
So can you give me your definition of what you think love means in higher densities?
Thanks
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Minyatur - 10-27-2020
Love in 3D often relates to the notion of attachment and usually forms through bonding (pet, friends, etc) or our natural instincts (mate, child, family, etc). Love in higher density on the contrary has more a quality of being universal and all-encompassing. That is why to advance on the STO path requires acceptance of catalyst, because it is through reaching a degree of accepting all ways of being that one is able to not block the flow to one's heart to a degree that one can remain seated there. So human love is more conditional, in relation to what it brings you, how it resonates with you and how it relates to you, while in higher density it really recognizes the Creator within each thing. So I do think higher density beings understand how we experience love, just that they know love more deeply than how we experience it also. I guess it is upon 4D harvest into 5D that one has really learned love. Even then, in 6D one has to balance love and wisdom with one another so it might not be complete.
In regards to Carla, I would assume that there is a recognition of free will as paramount on Ra's side and an acceptance of it. It is my experience that a high vibration of love is not without compassion in face of suffering, just great in acceptance, to them the suffering of another is much like their own suffering so they are still processing it at the degree they are able to balance their own suffering.
There's this thread that contains a lot of quotes on the subject of love. I think it really boils down to that completion of 4D allows one to be in sync with the second distortion (love) of our Creation. It has a core role within the manifestation of the entire Cosmos as a creative principle and transcends far beyond the human experience.
There is this one that seem to say the same thing you said in regards to emotions:
Hatonn Wrote:My friends, it is not easy to come to an understanding of what love is, for among your peoples love is already named by so many lesser emotions and states of mind—and none of these is love. Do not become lost in emotion, for love is not emotion, and emotional service is often a “human” service, and not the service of love.
Some other I find interesting on the subject:
Quo Wrote:The vibration of love is the vibration upon which the planets turn in their courses, the suns rotate in the galaxies ever so slowly to your eyes [as they] climb the heavens. You are a spark of that one original Thought. Advancement in any density can be measured by how near the vibration of your consciousness matches the vibration of the one infinite Creator.
The key to this work is this: the consciousness that you share with all others who are self-aware is one. It is the consciousness of the Creator. It is the consciousness of complete and unconditional love. It is not love as known to the poets who speak of romance. It is not the love of brother for brother. It is not the love that is sentimentalized in valentines tied up with ribbons, gifted with pretty gems. This is a love that creates and destroys.
Latwii Wrote:Love, my friends, is not what you think it is. The word in your language has a meaning that has various interpretations. But it is none of these things. We use the word when we speak to you, because it is as close as we can come to the concept, using your language. Love, my friends, is that force which does all of the things that are done in the entire creation. All of the things, my friends, even those that you would interpret as being without love.
Back to the Ra material, I think a core message included in the material that is a bit hard to swallow but might explain a bit more the view of where they stand:
Quote:26.36 Questioner: Then I am assuming all of the UFO groups who were getting telepathic contact from the Confederation were, shall we say, high-priority targets for the Orion crusaders, and I would assume that a large percentage of them were, shall we say, had their information polluted then. Can you tell me, do you have any idea what percentage of these groups were heavily polluted by the Orion information and if any of them were able to remain purely a Confederation channel?
Ra: I am Ra. To give you this information would be to infringe upon the free will or confusion of some living. We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it.
This is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information, that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity.
Why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the One Creator? This is the message we bring. Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - BrotherInWaiting - 10-27-2020
Q'uo definitely has stuff on this, Ra may have stuff on this, but they speak of work in 6th density being 'the balancing of compassion and wisdom'. There is also material about how frivolous our social notion of 'love' is. I wish I could dig up some of the expositions on that but I can't recall which reading they were in of the vast number there are.
Anyway, love can be giving a pet food, love can be compassion, love can be wisdom. It smacks of any energy at all directed towards personal growth or the growth of others.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Sacred Fool - 10-27-2020
(10-27-2020, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote:Quo Wrote:This is a love that creates and destroys [everything].
This is a very awkward concept to swallow, in part because it is so far sideways from how we would normally feel love to be. In fact, it makes one wonder why anyone would call such a thing "love?"
It also just happens to be something I've kept a sideways glance on for many years, and here's the little bit I have to say about it. To speak of the Creator (or--my preference--the feminine version, the Creatrix) is not to refer to a frolicsome child with play dough or an erector set. There's a fantastic, terrifying power in creating galaxies or time or consciousness, and yet when you perceive that all of this is made of that one Creatrix, and that this is also you, just the way you are, there's a simultaneous sense of caring and bewildering power. That would be one definition of love.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - J.W. - 10-28-2020
Creation and Destruction are the very essence of love because it makes you feel.
It is as simple as I can explain this. You cannot understand sweetness without bitterness. The duality, the contrast, The beginning and the end.... all of it serves the purpose for you to ... "feel"
and that is the power of love. Through Creation and Destruction, you then will see "love."
From love, there is creation, and from love you do not want destruction. But all must happen, for you to feel the.. the existence of..."love."
With much love and light, this post was very humbling. Thank you Minyatur, for the quoting and directing the information.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Black Dragon - 10-28-2020
This is a question I ponder a lot myself. I have certain feelings towards the issue, but honestly don't know for certain, and can only theorize and intuit as best I can from the standpoint of a wanderer in 3d. Even among higher density STO beings, there are differences in culture, mindset, and ways of expressing certain principles, so I'd imagine some would come off as more loving or aloof than others. I think some of the higher density beings in the past have really dropped the ball and left us holding the bag, and I feel that higher density beings can be at risk for becoming somewhat out of touch(though sincere), though in most cases, It's probably not willful apathy, though in some, I think it has the potential to degenerate that far.
There's a certain amount of privilege one has simply by being of a higher density than 3rd, especially an STO society with no internal strife and competition. It's not just safety and abundance, but freedom and mastery that seem godlike to unawake 3d humans. Sometimes it seems like the higher density beings can overlook the individual trees for the forest, so to speak, almost an "end justifies the means" attitude than can seem sort of ruthless and mechanistic. They can forget what it's like to have to live in 3d. I've wondered at times if any of them have ever felt any tangible sadness over our situation here.
I also find it hard to relate to that which seems aloof and unemotional, and I get angry at times over the seeming apathy. I think finding a balanced and holistic view means a bit of a compromise, in that we should value human love, and humanitarian morals and principles and emotionality, while reserving any solid judgments about the motivations or empathy of higher density beings and their perspectives that we don't completely understand.
Wouldn't it be nice to connect with such beings through the higher self or a dream state and experience any genuine love and empathy? To be proven that somebody out there actually cares and that higher density beings aren't all just mechanistic, deadbeat doorknobs? Borgs, so to speak? I don't have the memory of any such experiences in my own life, but I'm open to the possibility and to reserving judgment. I do feel we have a right and obligation to ponder these questions, to put the motives of higher density beings through the discernment of our own heartfelt principles rather than taking them as authority.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Louisabell - 10-28-2020
Below are my thoughts on the matter.
Ra said in answer 29.17...
Ra Wrote:The metaphysical and physical are inseparable.
Therefore, just because you are feeling Love as a physical sensation, with biochemical elements, does not mean that you're also not experiencing metaphysical Love, even if you are unaware of it.
The universe is made up of Love, therefore at every level of consciousness, there is the experience of Love
One can see that the physical representation of Love for humans is the biologically-rooted attachment that is shared with many of the more complex animals. For many complex animals, these attachment instincts are stronger than hunger, sleep or reproduction. Some chimpanzees have died from grief from the loss of a family member. I find it interesting that even though birds went through a completely different evolutionary path than mammals, they still ended up with strong attachment bonds, complete with mutual affection giving and life-long pair bonding. It would appear that developing emotional attachment is where evolution eventually moves beings towards, as it is so successful for growth.
We feel this physical manifestation of Love in palpable ways. Yes, to some degree it is biochemical, and many people dismiss it as being only that, but it still is very much Love in red and orange ray consciousness.
By honoring the importance of attachment on an individual level, the awareness of Love can grow with yellow-ray as a sense of Morality and Ethics. Humans have discovered that cohesive social structures benefit from universal ideals, such as generosity, tolerance, humility, openness, freedom, etc. With these ideals firmly rooted, society may move forward in unity. In doing so, our conceptual understanding of Love broadens, for Love contains all these qualities.
Beyond that is Universal Love/Compassion or Unconditional Love.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - flofrog - 10-28-2020
Beautiful, Louisabell
thank you
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Diana - 10-28-2020
I like this quote Minyatur posted from Hatonn:
Hatonn Wrote:My friends, it is not easy to come to an understanding of what love is, for among your peoples love is already named by so many lesser emotions and states of mind—and none of these is love. Do not become lost in emotion, for love is not emotion, and emotional service is often a “human” service, and not the service of love.
I think there are problems with the concept of love for many reasons here in 3D. One problem in grasping the concept is emotions, as Hatonn stated above. Humans have defined love according to emotional content, which as Minyatur pointed out, involves attachment. Once attachment is involved, free will is compromised.
That said, I don't think there is any way to hear a definition of what love is out of the limited context of 3D, as a cosmological force, and comprehend the words used to describe it. It is rather like the concept of time outside of 3D—it is difficult to comprehend that time doesn't exist as a linear function beyond this particular 3D existence.
What is love in the bigger sense? I imagine it to be a kind of force, like gravity or electromagnetism. We have no idea what gravity is, only theories, and to define love as a force would be equally difficult, especially given that we have human definitions already ingrained that are not only limiting but possibly diametrically opposed to the reality.
In a practical sense, becoming aware of love as a force, in my opinion and experience, requires acceptance. Acceptance is what opens the door to this force, and until then the force of self is maintained in order to withstand this existence. We as humans set boundaries automatically as a matter of survival. We can only handle so much at any given time. So awareness grows steadily and we adapt and learn and evolve and accept more as we go along—like a child who takes in more of the world around it and assimilates awareness in steps. A great fictional example of having immediate awareness was written by Frank Herbert in "Dune," when the full awareness of a mother was transferred to her unborn child during an initiation, and it aberrated the child because it was too much at once.
Carla's situation was one of being unbalanced to a degree that manifested martyrhood. I am not judging her choices, and when seen in the context of the 3 who made it possible for Ra to come through to us here, her part was vital. I am pointing out that a state of martyrhood puts the value of others over self, and this is SEPARATION, so it defeats the unity of all things and in doing so does not really align with the force of love. From the point of view of Ra, whose main message was the Law of One, and whose main concern was of free will and not to infringe upon it, their words may not make sense to someone who is not yet capable of apprehending enough beyond the 3D human perspective.
However, I can relate to what Black Dragon says:
(10-28-2020, 04:35 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: ...Sometimes it seems like the higher density beings can overlook the individual trees for the forest, so to speak, almost an "end justifies the means" attitude than can seem sort of ruthless and mechanistic. They can forget what it's like to have to live in 3d...
I feel that way a lot when reading most channelled material. We are down here in the trenches and it is not easy (to understate the matter). So some of the rhetoric just seems empty to me when I read things such as, All Is Well, and the like.
I take issue with a lot of what goes on here, and that includes the idea that this is transitory so it doesn't matter. I am not sure how anyone can say that only certain things matter—to me, either it all matters or none of it does, because if it is all one, it has to be cohesive and not have one part separated out.
But the reality is that we just know know much while here. It can be disheartening. Which in writing that word—disheartening—conjures up a whole new line of thinking, but since I already almost wrote a book in this post, I will stop here.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Sacred Fool - 10-28-2020
It's natural, I suppose, to look at higher density experiences and project our own feelings onto them and then try to reconcile the differences. But I think it's unfair. Those entities are not driven by the same confusion we are, and so the comparisons (aloofness, for example) are skewed.
This passage from Ra gives a tiny sense of how bent towards service 4D entities are--compared to us--and how this drives their experience of daily life.
Quote:43.17 Questioner: Is it necessary to eat food in fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
43.18 Questioner: The mechanism of, shall we say, social catalyst due to a necessity for feeding the body then is active in fourth density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The fourth-density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communion between entity and living foodstuff. Therefore, this is not a significant catalyst but rather a simple precondition of the space/time experience. The catalyst involved is the necessity for the ingestion of foodstuffs. This is not considered to be of importance by fourth-density entities and it, therefore, aids in the teach/learning of patience.
43.19 Questioner: Could you expand a little bit on how that aids in the teach/learning of patience?
Ra: I am Ra. To stop the functioning of service to others long enough to ingest foodstuffs is to invoke patience.
In other words, they are so focused on serving others, such as you and me, that they have to discipline themselves to bother to eat. I don't think we can easily grasp the emotions involved there, given the worldly context in which we have learned how to interpret emotion.
Also, to me this suggests that graduation into a milieu of such intensity of service requires a very strong degree of personal dedication to service, more than a casual sounding 51% might suggest.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Louisabell - 10-28-2020
(10-27-2020, 10:27 AM)SP1 Wrote: For example, after reading through channellings from Ra and other higher density beings, I always 'felt' like they lacked loved and compassion.
Sure they expressed these things, but I never felt it.
I always felt they were unsympathetic to Carla's suffering, sure they offered advise, but they were very 'practical' about the whole thing -- not emotional.
It would make sense that higher density beings have conquered emotion? Or maybe they never had this particular emotion?
Is that why they preach 'love' constanntly? They are obsessed with this word.
Hopefully this Q'uo quote can help answer this question (Carla was acting as channel in this instance, incase that is of significance to anyone):
Quo January 7, 1990 Wrote:I am Q’uo. I am two social memory complexes, the one you know of as Ra, and the one you know of as Latwii. We have combined because this instrument constantly asks for the highest and best contact it may stably carry. The energies of the one known as Ra, which is a social memory complex of sixth density, is an energy band narrow enough that it requires the locking in, and therefore the unconscious state, of the mind of the channel. The entities of Ra were appalled to see the toll it took upon this instrument to bring forth that which it did channel. It was not expected that there would be so much interest from what this instrument calls the loyal opposition.
So here we can see that:
1. Carla requested information of a very high level of purity. So much so that the call was met with a clear and direct sixth density channel. Ra answered the call.
2. Ra did feel emotion - they were appalled. For a being with such high amounts of unconditional acceptance, this would mean that they would have been extremely moved by the situation.
I intuit that it would have been disrepectful for Ra to override Carla's wish, and that it was compassionate of Ra to be as succinct as possible in communication. They also gently reminded Don when the information asked was of a transitory nature, thereby alluding that maybe it was not worth the high cost.
Therefore I have to say that I do find compassion in how Ra conducted him/herself.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - meadow-foreigner - 10-28-2020
From my standpoint, it seems people, in general, are over-reliant on external sources to find the Truth that they already know within.
People here and there look like lawyers, always consulting and quoting certain parts of scripts or external sources in order to base opinions, assumptions and ideas; attempting to build upon previously laid — and already distorted material in the sense that it wasn't perfectly tailored for you or your needs or your pre-incarnative choices, etc.
I'd suggest to one to fully take the toll of 3D life and always look within and consider, always, that whatever opinion one has about anyone but the Self is mostly a distortion about the unbalanced 3D Self.
So, if person A thinks person B is unloving, maybe person A is dwelling in distortions and projections, a process much like the greenhouse effect which redirects the heat from the external source: such is the attachment of the 3D Self and its resistance mechanisms to outside Love/Light & Light/Love.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - AnthroHeart - 10-29-2020
Love becomes infinite and unconditional at the start of 4D. Some are actually ascending into 4D now.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Glow - 10-29-2020
Beloved - Be loved
I know I have heard others on this forum use the word beloved.
It’s often used when discussing the yearning to connect with the creator in all spiritual traditions. It’s like the flame within has been lit by the creator and we feel communion. And move towards further communion.
Communion - not insignificant the word union is the root.
I was just meditating in the space of love and communing with another spiritually(ok a birch tree I commune with) and it occurred what beloved means really and why it is so reserved for a higher love.
It’s the words be-loved as if our words and will are becoming one.
I link these two to the 4D meaning of love. To commune more and more to grow in unity. Without the veil we are able to realize this unity so 4D is the gradual dropping of that which separates others from being accepted in union with ourselves.
4D positive moving to full awareness of our unity, 4D negative drawing further away from this awareness.
My perception if it’s of use.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - flofrog - 10-29-2020
I wonder if love in higher density is not just complete unity, end of separation.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Louisabell - 10-30-2020
(10-29-2020, 01:14 PM)Glow Wrote: I was just meditating in the space of love and communing with another spiritually(ok a birch tree I commune with) and it occurred what beloved means really and why it is so reserved for a higher love.
It’s the words be-loved as if our words and will are becoming one.
Some lovely insights on the beloved and what a wonderful meditation parnter! I also have some tree friends.
(10-28-2020, 08:49 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: I'd suggest to one to fully take the toll of 3D life and always look within and consider, always, that whatever opinion one has about anyone but the Self is mostly a distortion about the unbalanced 3D Self.
In my experience, this has been absolutely true. The measure we judge others, is how we are then judged ... and yet ...
(10-28-2020, 08:49 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: From my standpoint, it seems people, in general, are over-reliant on external sources to find the Truth that they already know within.
...we cannot help but judge the other. It is human nature afterall. Can we be seen to be over-reliant, or can we be seen to be under-reliant? Afterall, if only we would look to the heart of a text and not colour it with our own perceptions... But then again, I think both realities are just as true. So, I just shrug my shoulders.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - meadow-foreigner - 10-30-2020
(10-30-2020, 08:04 AM)Louisabell Wrote:(10-29-2020, 01:14 PM)Glow Wrote: I was just meditating in the space of love and communing with another spiritually(ok a birch tree I commune with) and it occurred what beloved means really and why it is so reserved for a higher love.
It’s the words be-loved as if our words and will are becoming one.
Some lovely insights on the beloved and what a wonderful meditation parnter! I also have some tree friends.
(10-28-2020, 08:49 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: I'd suggest to one to fully take the toll of 3D life and always look within and consider, always, that whatever opinion one has about anyone but the Self is mostly a distortion about the unbalanced 3D Self.
In my experience, this has been absolutely true. The measure we judge others, is how we are then judged ... and yet ...
(10-28-2020, 08:49 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: From my standpoint, it seems people, in general, are over-reliant on external sources to find the Truth that they already know within.
...we cannot help but judge the other. It is human nature afterall. Can we be seen to be over-reliant, or can we be seen to be under-reliant? Afterall, if only we would look to the heart of a text and not colour it with our own perceptions... But then again, I think both realities are just as true. So, I just shrug my shoulders.
To state that a given situation is helpless or hopeless is to give away your Will to external sources to play with.
You actually can help yourself, you actually can not judge the Self nor the other-Self. Whether you actually want to do it is another story.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - SP1 - 10-31-2020
(10-29-2020, 07:14 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Love becomes infinite and unconditional at the start of 4D. Some are actually ascending into 4D now.
But how can you love someone you don't know.
I have unconditional love for my children of course, but I can't imagine having unconditional love for strangers.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - SP1 - 10-31-2020
Thanks for doing this, I will did through all of these links.
(10-27-2020, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote: Love in 3D often relates to the notion of attachment and usually forms through bonding (pet, friends, etc) or our natural instincts (mate, child, family, etc). Love in higher density on the contrary has more a quality of being universal and all-encompassing. That is why to advance on the STO path requires acceptance of catalyst, because it is through reaching a degree of accepting all ways of being that one is able to not block the flow to one's heart to a degree that one can remain seated there. So human love is more conditional, in relation to what it brings you, how it resonates with you and how it relates to you, while in higher density it really recognizes the Creator within each thing. So I do think higher density beings understand how we experience love, just that they know love more deeply than how we experience it also. I guess it is upon 4D harvest into 5D that one has really learned love. Even then, in 6D one has to balance love and wisdom with one another so it might not be complete.
In regards to Carla, I would assume that there is a recognition of free will as paramount on Ra's side and an acceptance of it. It is my experience that a high vibration of love is not without compassion in face of suffering, just great in acceptance, to them the suffering of another is much like their own suffering so they are still processing it at the degree they are able to balance their own suffering.
There's this thread that contains a lot of quotes on the subject of love. I think it really boils down to that completion of 4D allows one to be in sync with the second distortion (love) of our Creation. It has a core role within the manifestation of the entire Cosmos as a creative principle and transcends far beyond the human experience.
There is this one that seem to say the same thing you said in regards to emotions:
Hatonn Wrote:My friends, it is not easy to come to an understanding of what love is, for among your peoples love is already named by so many lesser emotions and states of mind—and none of these is love. Do not become lost in emotion, for love is not emotion, and emotional service is often a “human” service, and not the service of love.
Some other I find interesting on the subject:
Quo Wrote:The vibration of love is the vibration upon which the planets turn in their courses, the suns rotate in the galaxies ever so slowly to your eyes [as they] climb the heavens. You are a spark of that one original Thought. Advancement in any density can be measured by how near the vibration of your consciousness matches the vibration of the one infinite Creator.
The key to this work is this: the consciousness that you share with all others who are self-aware is one. It is the consciousness of the Creator. It is the consciousness of complete and unconditional love. It is not love as known to the poets who speak of romance. It is not the love of brother for brother. It is not the love that is sentimentalized in valentines tied up with ribbons, gifted with pretty gems. This is a love that creates and destroys.
Latwii Wrote:Love, my friends, is not what you think it is. The word in your language has a meaning that has various interpretations. But it is none of these things. We use the word when we speak to you, because it is as close as we can come to the concept, using your language. Love, my friends, is that force which does all of the things that are done in the entire creation. All of the things, my friends, even those that you would interpret as being without love.
Back to the Ra material, I think a core message included in the material that is a bit hard to swallow but might explain a bit more the view of where they stand:
Quote:26.36 Questioner: Then I am assuming all of the UFO groups who were getting telepathic contact from the Confederation were, shall we say, high-priority targets for the Orion crusaders, and I would assume that a large percentage of them were, shall we say, had their information polluted then. Can you tell me, do you have any idea what percentage of these groups were heavily polluted by the Orion information and if any of them were able to remain purely a Confederation channel?
Ra: I am Ra. To give you this information would be to infringe upon the free will or confusion of some living. We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it.
This is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information, that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity.
Why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the One Creator? This is the message we bring. Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Louisabell - 10-31-2020
(10-30-2020, 08:46 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:(10-30-2020, 08:04 AM)Louisabell Wrote:(10-29-2020, 01:14 PM)Glow Wrote: I was just meditating in the space of love and communing with another spiritually(ok a birch tree I commune with) and it occurred what beloved means really and why it is so reserved for a higher love.
It’s the words be-loved as if our words and will are becoming one.
Some lovely insights on the beloved and what a wonderful meditation parnter! I also have some tree friends.
(10-28-2020, 08:49 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: I'd suggest to one to fully take the toll of 3D life and always look within and consider, always, that whatever opinion one has about anyone but the Self is mostly a distortion about the unbalanced 3D Self.
In my experience, this has been absolutely true. The measure we judge others, is how we are then judged ... and yet ...
(10-28-2020, 08:49 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: From my standpoint, it seems people, in general, are over-reliant on external sources to find the Truth that they already know within.
...we cannot help but judge the other. It is human nature afterall. Can we be seen to be over-reliant, or can we be seen to be under-reliant? Afterall, if only we would look to the heart of a text and not colour it with our own perceptions... But then again, I think both realities are just as true. So, I just shrug my shoulders.
To state that a given situation is helpless or hopeless is to give away your Will to external sources to play with.
You actually can help yourself, you actually can not judge the Self nor the other-Self. Whether you actually want to do it is another story.
Oh, I don't see the situation as helpless or hopeless at all. Perhaps the only thing that is hopeless is thinking that the human brain can understand the overview of the life journey of others, or thinking that we can know what is the best path. But indeed, what we think may be best for the other, could actually be what is best for ourselves.
The other-self is a mirror to the Self. Sometimes the reflections are strange to us - that is why we judge. Without judgement there is only love. And even so, there is only ever love, and so that is why judgement can hurt so much. To say that someone is over-reliant on something is a judgement. Perhaps a very useful judgement, something worth considering, but a judgement nonetheless.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Louisabell - 10-31-2020
(10-31-2020, 03:05 AM)SP1 Wrote:(10-29-2020, 07:14 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Love becomes infinite and unconditional at the start of 4D. Some are actually ascending into 4D now.
But how can you love someone you don't know.
I have unconditional love for my children of course, but I can't imagine having unconditional love for strangers.
I would guess that the Unconditional Love expands to the point that it doesn't even require the condition of "familiarity." The only condition left is that the other exists.
Indeed such a person at that point would be radiant, but I don't think there would be any obvious signs in their behavior. Maybe some people have reached that point and don't even realise it. They just go about their day, maybe more accepting and helpful as the norm. Now that I think about it, there are so many people I've come across in my life willing to help out a stranger (me), and seemingly enjoying it as well. So many Earth angels here I think.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Infinite Unity - 10-31-2020
To me Love is not about Other. Love is a state of The One. Humans most often define Love through its tangible forms. Like relationships, and certain actions. Yet all of that isn’t exactly LOVE itself. There byproducts/results/manifestations/potentials of The State of Love.
When we go inward and follow the trail it always comes to Oneness. So identifying and trying to logically deduce, The Universe through other, will never reveal the Truth. If we go inward we find the full undiluted Creator is all things bound up in Oneness. All expressions exhibited in Creation is only a symbol of the Order(Infinity)Chaos. That we all are.
Basically I am saying that the phenomenon you see around you, and you identify as “Other” causing it. When there is only One. This is where the base/root/origin/birth of all distortions lie.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - KaliSouth - 10-31-2020
Someone once described love to me as the natural substance of communication between beings. Obviously this would require that the veil/illusion of 3D existence be lifted. It has stuck with me.
When one ineracts with swamis, to our 3D emotions they can seem cold, but if they are indeed devoted to the spiritual, when you break down the essence of what they're saying it comes from the position of love. Obviously there are a lot of fake religious people out there, but the more truly devoted of the spiritual seekers seem to give us the truth from a place of love. Sometimes the truth itself is not popular. And I guess the additional factor here is that they also have to respect the Law of Free Will.
It will probably be an amazing revelation to us when we leave this 3D existence and really experience love as it is understood in the higher densities.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - meadow-foreigner - 11-03-2020
(10-31-2020, 08:52 AM)Louisabell Wrote: Oh, I don't see the situation as helpless or hopeless at all. Perhaps the only thing that is hopeless is thinking that the human brain can understand the overview of the life journey of others, or thinking that we can know what is the best path. But indeed, what we think may be best for the other, could actually be what is best for ourselves.
The other-self is a mirror to the Self. Sometimes the reflections are strange to us - that is why we judge. Without judgement there is only love. And even so, there is only ever love, and so that is why judgement can hurt so much. To say that someone is over-reliant on something is a judgement. Perhaps a very useful judgement, something worth considering, but a judgement nonetheless.
You got what it takes.
In addition to your post, there was someone who said once that the process of death of a relative, friend or acquaintance affects one deeply because of the dissolution of the 3D idiosyncratic barrier that exists between the deceased and the living. Thus, whoever remains here is bombarded by the Love, the Logos, that there always was but couldn't be realized back then because of the ego, the defense mechanisms, and so on.
So, the only thing that remains after a deceased person is no more, is the Logos that lies therein, and also within one's Self.
Such realization might be really earth-shaking; maybe the true challenge wouldn't be to love, honor, and admire The Creation in spite of the mirrors and the defense mechanisms? You know, while the person is still around the 3D life?
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Ohr Ein Sof - 11-20-2020
(10-27-2020, 11:16 PM)peregrine Wrote:(10-27-2020, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote:Quo Wrote:This is a love that creates and destroys [everything].
This is a very awkward concept to swallow, in part because it is so far sideways from how we would normally feel love to be. In fact, it makes one wonder why anyone would call such a thing "love?"
It also just happens to be something I've kept a sideways glance on for many years, and here's the little bit I have to say about it. To speak of the Creator (or--my preference--the feminine version, the Creatrix) is not to refer to a frolicsome child with play dough or an erector set. There's a fantastic, terrifying power in creating galaxies or time or consciousness, and yet when you perceive that all of this is made of that one Creatrix, and that this is also you, just the way you are, there's a simultaneous sense of caring and bewildering power. That would be one definition of love.
It is the same energy just varies by degree.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - dreamoftheiris - 11-21-2020
I like what Qu'o said here - "The vibration of love is the vibration upon which the planets turn in their courses, the suns rotate in the galaxies ever so slowly to your eyes [as they] climb the heavens. You are a spark of that one original Thought. Advancement in any density can be measured by how near the vibration of your consciousness matches the vibration of the one infinite Creator."
I remember some time ago I began to see an energy in all things. It was strange - like everything had more "space" within it. Everything seemed "lighter". I didn't understand what this was at the time but after some contemplation, I came to understand this energy and space I was seeing as Love.
It is confusing because we all grew up with the Disney version of "love" which is not the same as Love. If I could summarize what Love is I would say it's a creative energy that holds and balances all things - it is the direct energy of the Creator itself. You cannot really understand it until you experience it.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - AnthroHeart - 11-21-2020
(11-20-2020, 08:10 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:(10-27-2020, 11:16 PM)peregrine Wrote:(10-27-2020, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote:Quo Wrote:This is a love that creates and destroys [everything].
This is a very awkward concept to swallow, in part because it is so far sideways from how we would normally feel love to be. In fact, it makes one wonder why anyone would call such a thing "love?"
It also just happens to be something I've kept a sideways glance on for many years, and here's the little bit I have to say about it. To speak of the Creator (or--my preference--the feminine version, the Creatrix) is not to refer to a frolicsome child with play dough or an erector set. There's a fantastic, terrifying power in creating galaxies or time or consciousness, and yet when you perceive that all of this is made of that one Creatrix, and that this is also you, just the way you are, there's a simultaneous sense of caring and bewildering power. That would be one definition of love.
It is the same energy just varies by degree.
Your name means Limitless Light doesn't it?
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - meadow-foreigner - 11-23-2020
Fusion.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - flofrog - 11-23-2020
I know that if I sit in meditation and contemplate my humane family I feel unconditional love because I am thinking omg they are going through this 3D thing, we are all in this together.
RE: What Does Love Really Mean in 4D and Higher - Dtris - 11-23-2020
I am about to go see my mom. My dog is sitting in the room next to me. When I get up I will give the dog a hug and a kiss and tell her I love her and bye. She will give me the sad eyes or the I don't care eyes, depending on her mood. After I see my mom I will also give her a hug and a kill as tell her I love her and bye. My mom won't give me sad eyes when I leave though. Unlike my dog she can understand that I will love her even when I am not there and that despite loving her, I can't spend 24/7 with her. My dog would be happier if I never had to leaver her at home, and could take her everywhere, and no matter how many hundreds of times I come home, she will always be just as happy to see me.
The second density dog cannot understand love in 3rd density. That same inability to understand exists between 3rd and 4th density. My dog may not think I love her when I leave if I don't take her. She cannot understand why I must leave her side.
To try to understand 4th density love, or even 6th density love I think is a fruitless endeavor. It is fun to think about sometimes, and can be a good way to broaden our horizons, but we still need to learn how to love here in 3rd density. I will say that the more you can accept and love people regardless of their decisions or circumstances, the more you will see love in every person and action.