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Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - AnthroHeart - 11-29-2020

What if it doesn't matter to us where we go?

Trying to get to STO for the sake of that might defeat the purpose.

I say live your life, be happy in the moment, and don't be a jerk to others.

Help others when asked. Maybe volunteer help, though some don't want help.

I think even in meditation, we can help the world.

By changing ourselves, the world changes. I think that's the best we can really do.


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - sillypumpkins - 11-30-2020

(11-29-2020, 11:48 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I think even in meditation, we can help the world.

Totally, sun. I agree. It all starts with our selves. If I am healing myself, I am healing the world. We are all One, so it can only be so.

Much love to you and hope you are well


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - Dtris - 11-30-2020

Latwii addresses this in one of the earlier sessions around the same time the Ra material was being channeled. I read it a few weeks ago but don't remember the date. What they said can be summarized as Fake it Till You Make It.

Longer answer is that while you start by being of service so it benefits yourself, by making this a habit it becomes part of who you are and transforms beyond doing it just for yourself. We all have to start somewhere. Ironically the golden rule of, do unto others, as you would have them do unto you, is also self interest based. What people mistake is that you can personally benefit while still helping others without it degrading the service.


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - jafar - 12-01-2020

(11-29-2020, 11:48 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: What if it doesn't matter to us where we go?
Trying to get to STO for the sake of that might defeat the purpose.

Where we are going in the end is the same destination.

That's why it's a path of STO and path of STS.
Path of Unity and Path of Separation.
In the end it will arrived at the same destination.
That there is no separation after all, only one person in the room.

Quote:I say live your life, be happy in the moment, and don't be a jerk to others.
Because 'others' do not exist, 'others' is actually a part of your own self.

The path of unity focus to experience more on this aspect, earlier on, than the path of separation.
It's easy to love and accept the lovable part of your own 'self', loving person, kind person, beautiful things.
It's not so easy to love and accept the 'unlovable' part of your own 'self', manipulator, hater, torturer, murderer, tyrant.

That's why the 'aspect' of STS and STO are defined as percentage within a 'mind spirit body complex'.
Every 'one' has both, and decide which that they want to focus and explore more on.

Thus the best advice is actually, be authentic with yourself, find your path and walk it with confidence.
In the end all path shall lead to the same destination.

Quote:I think even in meditation, we can help the world.
Actually this world does not need any help, it already perfect with it's contrasting polarity.
Providing ample of opportunity to explore path of separation and also path of unity.

Meditation, prayer, pondering, seeking will help one to be not too attached to this world.
Thus able to see things in larger / zoomed out perspective.
The perspective of his/her own higher self.

And then ultimately realize that this universe is actually a gigantic virtual reality simulation room.
And there's only one person in the room.


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - Sacred Fool - 12-01-2020

(12-01-2020, 12:46 AM)jafar Wrote: Actually this world does not need any help, it already perfect with it's contrasting polarity.

Does this mean that the work of the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow to assist this world and her critters is of no value?  I mean, are those beings just spinning their wheels if each is actually the only person in the room?  Or do they actually not exist?

Does your model end with self, or is there more?   Or less?
   


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - J.W. - 12-01-2020

Quote: By changing ourselves, the world changes. I think that's the best we can really do.

When you start, your path will follow. .... so ... start... Smile

STO or STS, these are just "titles"

Vibration is inevitable, Vibration is why you are here.. sharing your perspective.

Stillness is "back there" and unfortunately, we don't go backward here my friend.

Eventually, you won't have to "try so hard."  

"Be water my friend." "you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot..."

Buuuuut ...... I have a joke about this..... just make sure that you aren't so passive that you become Water of the toilet bowl, and waiting for the next brown snake to slither down your domain. BigSmile

Toilet water, is still... still water.

With much light here, to lighten things up.


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - AnthroHeart - 12-01-2020

(12-01-2020, 12:46 AM)jafar Wrote:
(11-29-2020, 11:48 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: What if it doesn't matter to us where we go?
Trying to get to STO for the sake of that might defeat the purpose.

Where we are going in the end is the same destination.

That's why it's a path of STO and path of STS.
Path of Unity and Path of Separation.
In the end it will arrived at the same destination.
That there is no separation after all, only one person in the room.



Quote:I say live your life, be happy in the moment, and don't be a jerk to others.
Because 'others' do not exist, 'others' is actually a part of your own self.

The path of unity focus to experience more on this aspect, earlier on, than the path of separation.
It's easy to love and accept the lovable part of your own 'self', loving person, kind person, beautiful things.
It's not so easy to love and accept the 'unlovable' part of your own 'self', manipulator, hater, torturer, murderer, tyrant.

That's why the 'aspect' of STS and STO are defined as percentage within a 'mind spirit body complex'.
Every 'one' has both, and decide which that they want to focus and explore more on.

Thus the best advice is actually, be authentic with yourself, find your path and walk it with confidence.
In the end all path shall lead to the same destination.



Quote:I think even in meditation, we can help the world.
Actually this world does not need any help, it already perfect with it's contrasting polarity.
Providing ample of opportunity to explore path of separation and also path of unity.

Meditation, prayer, pondering, seeking will help one to be not too attached to this world.
Thus able to see things in larger / zoomed out perspective.
The perspective of his/her own higher self.

And then ultimately realize that this universe is actually a gigantic virtual reality simulation room.
And there's only one person in the room.



So after I die, will I find all this harvest and such was just part of the game, and that there is ultimately no harvest?


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - jafar - 12-02-2020

Quote:So after I die, will I find all this harvest and such was just part of the game, and that there is ultimately no harvest?

Maybe after you die so many many times.. and live so many many times.. Wink
Thus realize that you are not only you (as you understand it right now) but also he/she/it and them.

Think about this, when you gained access to the life experience of let's say Marilyn Monroe.
You 'remember' her joy and her grieves.. and you experienced it with 1st person perspective.
Will you not think you are (also) Marilyn Monroe?

Add also to your memory banks, the life experience of other avatars, Adolf Hitler, Genghis Khan, Hammurabi and Jesus.
Will you not think you are (also) them?

When you gain access to the memory of an avatar you will identify yourself as them.
That's how self identification works..

This is easy to understand and experience by let's say writing your own novel.
You create avatars / characters inside the novel, and as you write the story you are constantly changing your identification with each of the character, trying to figure out what he/she will say or do within the story. But all of those characters inside your novel is actually you, as you always gain access to all of their memory. You just temporarily identify yourself as each of them in order to write the story.

all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity.

-- Law of One, Book 1, Session 4

But the process of 'gaining memory access' is performed 'gradually', one step at a time...


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - jafar - 12-02-2020

(12-01-2020, 01:21 AM)peregrine Wrote: Does this mean that the work of the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow to assist this world and her critters is of no value?  I mean, are those beings just spinning their wheels if each is actually the only person in the room?  Or do they actually not exist?

See how perfect this world is as it also enables the "Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow" to experience the things that they would like to experience.

I actually don't know who "Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow" is... but it actually doesn't matter.

Quote:Does your model end with self, or is there more?   Or less?
The ultimate self a.k.a the infinite creator has no end or beginning... as time (and space) itself is part of the creation.


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - AnthroHeart - 12-02-2020

(12-02-2020, 05:23 AM)jafar Wrote:
Quote:So after I die, will I find all this harvest and such was just part of the game, and that there is ultimately no harvest?

Maybe after you die so many many times.. and live so many many times.. Wink
Thus realize that you are not only you (as you understand it right now) but also he/she/it and them.

Think about this, when you gained access to the life experience of let's say Marilyn Monroe.
You 'remember' her joy and her grieves.. and you experienced it with 1st person perspective.
Will you not think you are (also) Marilyn Monroe?

Add also to your memory banks, the life experience of other avatars, Adolf Hitler, Genghis Khan, Hammurabi and Jesus.
Will you not think you are (also) them?

When you gain access to the memory of an avatar you will identify yourself as them.
That's how self identification works..

This is easy to understand and experience by let's say writing your own novel.
You create avatars / characters inside the novel, and as you write the story you are constantly changing your identification with each of the character, trying to figure out what he/she will say or do within the story. But all of those characters inside your novel is actually you, as you always gain access to all of their memory. You just temporarily identify yourself as each of them in order to write the story.

all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity.

-- Law of One, Book 1, Session 4

But the process of 'gaining memory access' is performed 'gradually', one step at a time...

I did write my own novel, The Warlock Name and I understand what you mean.


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - Ohr Ein Sof - 12-06-2020

(12-01-2020, 12:46 AM)jafar Wrote:
(11-29-2020, 11:48 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: What if it doesn't matter to us where we go?
Trying to get to STO for the sake of that might defeat the purpose.

Where we are going in the end is the same destination.

That's why it's a path of STO and path of STS.
Path of Unity and Path of Separation.
In the end it will arrived at the same destination.
That there is no separation after all, only one person in the room.


Quote:I say live your life, be happy in the moment, and don't be a jerk to others.
Because 'others' do not exist, 'others' is actually a part of your own self.

The path of unity focus to experience more on this aspect, earlier on, than the path of separation.
It's easy to love and accept the lovable part of your own 'self', loving person, kind person, beautiful things.
It's not so easy to love and accept the 'unlovable' part of your own 'self', manipulator, hater, torturer, murderer, tyrant.

That's why the 'aspect' of STS and STO are defined as percentage within a 'mind spirit body complex'.
Every 'one' has both, and decide which that they want to focus and explore more on.

Thus the best advice is actually, be authentic with yourself, find your path and walk it with confidence.
In the end all path shall lead to the same destination.


Quote:I think even in meditation, we can help the world.
Actually this world does not need any help, it already perfect with it's contrasting polarity.
Providing ample of opportunity to explore path of separation and also path of unity.

Meditation, prayer, pondering, seeking will help one to be not too attached to this world.
Thus able to see things in larger / zoomed out perspective.
The perspective of his/her own higher self.

And then ultimately realize that this universe is actually a gigantic virtual reality simulation room.
And there's only one person in the room.
Quote:Because 'others' do not exist, 'others' is actually a part of your own self.
This also means you too btw.
We live in 3rd density. We literally have one another as a mirror to aid us in this journey. Why would we begin to deny this reality to perceive another reality? We first must master this reality then we may proceed. To accept the Law is One is not to "know" the Law is One. To comprehend Infinity, we cannot truly but we can accept that there is foreverness but we cannot know it in 3rd density. The word, "know" is pretty heavy duty. You accept many things and take them in as a belief perhaps, but you do not "know" all these things. Others exist in the space/time continuum, but only in the mind of God. Truly there is but One mind here. It dwells in Foreverness. Somewhere you can only visit for short periods of "time" within this space and this time. Denying the Laws of this Logos is pretty futile because you cannot really get around them. Even the Masters know this.


RE: Does trying to get to STO defeat the purpose? - jafar - 12-08-2020

(12-06-2020, 08:11 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: We live in 3rd density. We literally have one another as a mirror to aid us in this journey. Why would we begin to deny this reality to perceive another reality? We first must master this reality then we may proceed.

Well actually we live in multiple densities.
So there should not be any reality to be 'denied' in the first place.
And 'realm' / 'reality' is not something to be mastered and/or conquered, it's a venue for everyone to experience something. We actually can perceive multiple realm/realities.

The relationship between density/realm/realities is not mutually exclusive.

Quote:To accept the Law is One is not to "know" the Law is One. To comprehend Infinity, we cannot truly but we can accept that there is foreverness but we cannot know it in 3rd density. The word, "know" is pretty heavy duty. You accept many things and take them in as a belief perhaps, but you do not "know" all these things. Others exist in the space/time continuum, but only in the mind of God. Truly there is but One mind here. It dwells in Foreverness. Somewhere you can only visit for short periods of "time" within this space and this time. Denying the Laws of this Logos is pretty futile because you cannot really get around them. Even the Masters know this.

Well I never had even the slightest idea / thought to 'accept' the Law of One or to 'know' the Law of One.
Or even trying to make other 'accept' the law.

In essence it's all about 'unity'. The concept being told by so many parties and named with different names and told in many different ways. But it always related to 'unity'. That is the meaning of "1".

And unity is something that should be 'experienced' and not merely 'know'.
Such realization will come, eventually to everyone, including to those who think that they're 'separated' from others.

This life experience is not about 'me', it's about how 'me' touch the life of 'others', as 'others' is actually also 'me'.