Quote:We would ask you, however, to keep one thing in mind, and that is, the simple message that we have to bring: All is one. And so, when you contemplate that simple truth from a very practical point of view, it yields the conclusion that you are the one whose conduct is giving you difficulty. You are not two, but one, with the miscreant. You are not two, but one with the criminal; you are not two, but one with the other one who wishes not only to sleep, but within that sleep, to reach out and do harm.

There is, within the creation, probably no more difficult question, for we could say, and in some sense we will say, that to the extent that you can absorb the hostility that is offered you from one of your fellow citizens, that is all to the good, and that is, in fact, one of the reasons that wanderers have incarnated upon this planet at this time. It is not simply a question of shining your light, which you may do; it is not simply a question of sharing with others that wisdom which it has been yours to discover, but it is, at a more visceral level, a matter of taking in the negative catalyst that is on offer to you, and transmuting that negative energy into simple unpresupposing love. That, we can say, surely is true, but as we also must add, it is not always possible for you, for there can come occasions when the strength of the negative catalyst that has been presented to you is so overwhelming that it exceeds your capacity to transmute it into love, and there is great danger for you, that it would have a tendency so to distort your process should you allow it to come in, that you, yourself, could be thrown dramatically off your center.

(12-15-2020, 04:40 AM)Louisabell Wrote: I don't know about seeing the Creator in all beings, but I did have an interesting moment the other day when I was watching the news and saw a convicted criminal in court who had committed some very bad crimes. Instead of seeing a monster or a disposable, I just saw a man whose heart desired for others to fear him. I could see a heart which desired to morally shock society. I can only assume he desired such things as it gave him a sense of power, maybe even a sense of purpose.

So maybe I didn't exactly see the full love and light of the Creator in him, but I saw a heart of love, even though that love was channeled into some very distorted desires. It surprised me.

(12-15-2020, 12:32 PM)Diana Wrote: I don't exactly see others as the Creator. It's likely a matter of semantics for me, but also a concept. I don't need to see others as anything like a Creator, or being part of the Creator, or me, to understand that another entity is struggling and in pain (as Flofrog said). Maybe what I do is seeing the Creator in others, but I perceive it more as seeing through the lens of this reality, and through the lenses of those individuals here in the human drama. To me it's enough to recognize that all life is sacred and equal in importance. And given the challenges of this veiled existence, and the lives that so many people have to live—without love, some without enough to eat, some without any support system, etc.—it takes only a moment to recall this and judgments fall away.

I include all life forms as entities. Not just humans.

(12-15-2020, 03:01 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: Thanks for the responses.

This is difficult part. At some point in our trillions of incarnations we were probably unenlightened 3D jerks. Now, the perspective has changed. We can be open to the possibility that the person we intensely dislike or disliked may also be part of the Creator. But are we obliged, in 3D incarnations, to develop understanding and love for those incarnations of the Creator?

If someone enslaved another human or abused animals or deforested the land, is there any obligation on us to find some small thing acceptable in them? If someone is STS, they have made a choice, but the rest of humanity is just lost. They (the lost) may not want to be helped because they are not willing to open their minds. I don't even think some of them have opened a book, let alone sat down with their thoughts and interrogated them. Many of us here may have made the opposite choice, i.e. to be more (positively) spiritually aware today than we were yesterday. So do we accept/love/understand the people that have CHOSEN ignorance?

Maybe it will make more sense in 4th, 5th or 6th density.

(12-15-2020, 12:46 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: This seems to be the defining challenge of 3D for the STO path. Has anyone reached this stage?

I know that some religious devotees may have less difficulty with this lesson because they have devoted their lives to realising the Creator in all things. I sometimes think of people that annoy me as me annoying myself, which is quite a situation to be in.

I'm listening to this podcast, which gives some insight.

Quo said the following:

Quote:We would ask you, however, to keep one thing in mind, and that is, the simple message that we have to bring: All is one. And so, when you contemplate that simple truth from a very practical point of view, it yields the conclusion that you are the one whose conduct is giving you difficulty. You are not two, but one, with the miscreant. You are not two, but one with the criminal; you are not two, but one with the other one who wishes not only to sleep, but within that sleep, to reach out and do harm.

There is, within the creation, probably no more difficult question, for we could say, and in some sense we will say, that to the extent that you can absorb the hostility that is offered you from one of your fellow citizens, that is all to the good, and that is, in fact, one of the reasons that wanderers have incarnated upon this planet at this time. It is not simply a question of shining your light, which you may do; it is not simply a question of sharing with others that wisdom which it has been yours to discover, but it is, at a more visceral level, a matter of taking in the negative catalyst that is on offer to you, and transmuting that negative energy into simple unpresupposing love. That, we can say, surely is true, but as we also must add, it is not always possible for you, for there can come occasions when the strength of the negative catalyst that has been presented to you is so overwhelming that it exceeds your capacity to transmute it into love, and there is great danger for you, that it would have a tendency so to distort your process should you allow it to come in, that you, yourself, could be thrown dramatically off your center.

When I see hostility, I think of the entity as being lost. Not that it makes is easier to accept that behaviour. I still find the negative things that humans do to each other appalling. I would think that that then creates the opportunity to change the feeling of being appalled into the feeling of love for the Creator in all its variation. Maybe this is a lesson that we have incarnated here to learn?

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The heart of the discipline of the personality is threefold. One, know yourself. Two, accept yourself. Three, become the Creator.
The third step is that step which, when accomplished, renders one the most humble servant of all, transparent in personality and completely able to know and accept other-selves. In relation to the pursuit of the magical working the continuing discipline of the personality involves the adept in knowing itself, accepting itself, and thus clearing the path towards the great indigo gateway to the Creator. To become the Creator is to become all that there is. There is then no personality in the sense with which the adept begins its learn/teaching. As the consciousness of the indigo ray becomes more crystalline, more work may be done; more may be expressed from intelligent infinity.

(12-15-2020, 12:46 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: I still find the negative things that humans do to each other appalling. I would think that that then creates the opportunity to change the feeling of being appalled into the feeling of love for the Creator in all its variation. Maybe this is a lesson that we have incarnated here to learn?

(12-15-2020, 03:01 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: If someone enslaved another human or abused animals or deforested the land, is there any obligation on us to find some small thing acceptable in them?

(12-15-2020, 10:12 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(12-15-2020, 12:46 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: I still find the negative things that humans do to each other appalling. I would think that that then creates the opportunity to change the feeling of being appalled into the feeling of love for the Creator in all its variation. Maybe this is a lesson that we have incarnated here to learn?

(12-15-2020, 03:01 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: If someone enslaved another human or abused animals or deforested the land, is there any obligation on us to find some small thing acceptable in them?

No, I wouldn't say there's a cosmic or a social obligation, necessarily.  I think it simply depends on the degree to which your heart is either opened or closed.  Some would say that this is the basic lesson to be learned here: to be conscious of catalyst while maintaining an opened heart to it, to all. 

After all, can one not be appalled and also have an open heart?  Naturally, that does require a disciplined personality to hold the one emotion in purity and not allow intrusion of fearful thoughts of past or future worries or other such emotions which might close the heart.  Some would call this equipoise.
   

(12-15-2020, 11:36 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: What are your thoughts on when emotion is viewed as an inconvenient thing to be controlled and repressed in an anal-retentive manner(sort of how "society at large" and some very hardline ascetic seekers tend to see it) rather than embraced in a working holistic balance? From the perspective of new, novice, and intermediate seekers: how can those two dead-end extremes be avoided and what's a more holistic way of approaching the ideas of emotion and emotional discipline?

(12-15-2020, 11:42 PM)Glow Wrote: Can you see the creator within yourself?

(12-15-2020, 05:06 PM)flofrog Wrote: Lol, BD,  I love your post.

KaliSouth, I have a question about frustration you have, and shared by many, about how to reconcile love and STS path of actions.
Let’s take any difficult subject, for example hunger in Africa. Obviously, it’s a major issue, still after decades  of campaigns against it. But it’s difficult to help solve locally if you don’t live there. So, if living here, for example in Northern America, we have hunger right here, and even more right now with public schools closed and lack of one regular meal for school children at risk. Do you feel that if as a side occupation of helping a local issue, some of that difficult reconciling might weaken, just because you see a slight improvement happen ?

In my street lives a doctor. She is a little more than sixty years old, and is still active but once a year she in fact flies to Africa and helps Doctors Without Borders, specifically with women’s problem. When you talk to her, even though the political situation is chaotic there, she has in fact little bitterness left towards all the incredible day to day issues arising. It is really interesting.  The work she does definitely brings her peace.

(12-15-2020, 10:12 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(12-15-2020, 12:46 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: I still find the negative things that humans do to each other appalling. I would think that that then creates the opportunity to change the feeling of being appalled into the feeling of love for the Creator in all its variation. Maybe this is a lesson that we have incarnated here to learn?

(12-15-2020, 03:01 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: If someone enslaved another human or abused animals or deforested the land, is there any obligation on us to find some small thing acceptable in them?

No, I wouldn't say there's a cosmic or a social obligation, necessarily.  I think it simply depends on the degree to which your heart is either opened or closed.  Some would say that this is the basic lesson to be learned here: to be conscious of catalyst while maintaining an opened heart to it, to all. 

After all, can one not be appalled and also have an open heart?  Naturally, that does require a disciplined personality to hold the one emotion in purity and not allow intrusion of fearful thoughts of past or future worries or other such emotions which might close the heart.  Some would call this equipoise.
   

(12-16-2020, 04:31 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: Is that kind of openness achievable in a 3D incarnation?

It's interesting that you mention the heart chakra. Often my feelings of isolation or disgust manifest in my solar plexus chakra. I haven't had a calm stomach in years.

(12-16-2020, 04:31 AM)KaliSouth Wrote: Is that kind of openness achievable in a 3D incarnation?

(12-16-2020, 02:52 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(12-15-2020, 11:36 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: What are your thoughts on when emotion is viewed as an inconvenient thing to be controlled and repressed in an anal-retentive manner(sort of how "society at large" and some very hardline ascetic seekers tend to see it) rather than embraced in a working holistic balance? From the perspective of new, novice, and intermediate seekers: how can those two dead-end extremes be avoided and what's a more holistic way of approaching the ideas of emotion and emotional discipline?

Is not complete forgiveness of self an emotion?  (As a mere thought it carries no power, correct?)  Why would any sensible being desire to repress that?


The mind is an artifact of 2D, according to the Confederation sources, and seeks self-preservation above all.  Beyond that, it can create mental constructs, etc., but a 2D mechanism is not a good fit for Divine communion.

The heart center is said to be the place where Divinity and our temporal sensibilities intersect, and the heart speaks (and hears) in emotional terms. 


You seek, my friend, to know self as an aspect of Divinity.  You must then enter your heart via a flow of emotional knowing and check yourself in as a patient seeking treatment.

To do that, you must be able to regard--and accept-- the 2D preservation mechanisms (fight, flight and so forth) for what they are as you simultaneously allow awareness of Deeper Self.

No, it's not easy, but neither is it grandiosely impossible.  The aliens say it's a matter simply of discipline.  It's a matter of holding open the love of the Creatrix (which is of you, a solid portion of you) and at the same time accepting self with all its "complications," shall we say.
   
You may fail repeatedly because of speed with which the self-preservation defenses can play their hand, but as you become more aware of the process and can track which cards are being played, you will find that satisfaction becomes quite palpable.

How does one learn this?  Meditation is HIGHLY recommended as a way of discovering inner knowing.
  

Quote:The mind is an artifact of 2D, according to the Confederation sources, and seeks self-preservation above all. Beyond that, it can create mental constructs, etc., but a 2D mechanism is not a good fit for Divine communion.

(12-16-2020, 06:41 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: The mind, I do not think it should be regarded as such. Afterall, your mind and the Creator's mind is one of the same at least that is the way It sees it. You live and move inside the Mind of God therefore, you also think within this Infinite Mind. The Entire Universe is mind-stuff.

(12-17-2020, 12:05 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(12-16-2020, 06:41 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: The mind, I do not think it should be regarded as such. Afterall, your mind and the Creator's mind is one of the same at least that is the way It sees it. You live and move inside the Mind of God therefore, you also think within this Infinite Mind. The Entire Universe is mind-stuff.

For the purpose of mechanical practicality, I'm making a distinction between consciousness and mind.  On the level of consciousness, you may compare your consciousness with the Creator's, but the role of the mind is to filter out most of what's available to the consciousness so as not to overwhelm the conscious self with TMI.

So, I would phrase it that we live and operate within the Consciousness of Divinity and that Creation is made of consciousness-stuff.  These terms may be clunky and worthless in general parlance, however, when trying to learn the craft of maintaining an open heart in the face of a stressful encounter, I find these concepts pointedly useful. 

For instance, when one is, let's say, insulted unexpectedly, one can be conscious of that fact and remain open hearted, if doing so is one's personal preference.  But if one makes no conscious choice, and reacts in fear and the heart closes down, that's a function of the mind taking that of which one is conscious, then filtering and framing it in a knee-jerk, (2D) defensive manner.  Viewing it this way narrows down how one might approach the discipline, if one cares about such things.