(03-16-2021, 02:08 AM)zedro Wrote: If people are interested in how material substances, consciousness/intent (transmitting/receiving), the body/DNA, emotional/energy states/blockages, etc, all interact and affect each other, is primarily through vibration. This is why seemingly unrelated things can and do block, modify, transmit, interpret, etc, each other. So not only do you have signal, but an antennas ability to send/receive, and the transducer to interpret, storage to encode information. Mess with one of these 'mechanisms' and you change the interactions and potentials between MBS within the self and to without.

Modify/block DNA function, emotional function, intellectual/communication function....well you get dysfunction. You may be able to 'patch around it' or 'repair', or you may not. So use caution when playing with devices you don't fully understand.

(03-15-2021, 07:49 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:

(03-15-2021, 07:45 PM)Black Dragon Wrote:

(03-15-2021, 07:31 PM)Agua Wrote:

(03-15-2021, 07:08 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: Compounds put into the physical body can do a lot of things, and that's why I'm wary of big pharma, but...I don't see how they can keep anybody in victim/aggressor mode if the cognitive, intuitive, and spiritual functions wish to operate on a higher paradigm. I'm talking just on a normal basis, not even considering adepts who have mastered "mid over body" techniques and the ability to alter and enhance their own DNA. These are the things preventing or allowing one from transcending victim/aggressor mode: emotional, cognitive, and spiritual factors, not some foreign agent put into your 3d physical body...all in an effort to keep us from what...harvesting? Choosing a 4d positive timeline? Well, in case anyone missed the memo...

Believing a simple injection(though it could indeed have health ramifications) can spiritually control somebody is actually putting oneself in victim mode, straight up.

Well, if you think that a victim/aggressor dark/light paradigm is limited to the mental-cognitive-intuitive , who am I to talk you out of it?

If you even talk of mind-over-body mastery and DNA changes, what do you think how this works?
Would you think by separating from the body or experiencing the body seperate from mind/spirit or would you think it might have to do with dissolving those limiting things in your body,too?

And have you ever wondered, why so many people that „know“ so much about spirituality still feel so bad and don’t have enjoyable lives?

You could consider that the body is not like a bike you ride, this is a very autistic view.
From that perspective you cannot heal on a physical level and this determines much more on a,mental and emotional level than you might believe!
In our bodies, in the very cells, in the brain (organically) and in the nerves, there is so much trauma energy stored.
If you just evolve on a mental level and leave these energies 7ntouched, you still get lost in those traumatic states again and again.

I never implied that the body was separate or lower, or that everything is a mind issue, and I am beginning to be aware and understand about the ways the body is involved with trauma. I may not know everything in these areas I'm still exploring, but the body just sinply being this thing disconnected from the mind and spirit was never my argument. That was an argument you made for me, in other words setting up a straw man to burn or putting "words in my mouth", figuratively speaking. I also know that you were purview to posts in which I was sincincere that I am diagnosed as high-functioning autistic, so you using the term to describe ignorance can also be seen as a petty ad-hominem attack. Your passive aggressive jabs aren't fooling anyone, and they aren't classy. This forum is on its way to evolving past that. We've seen the gross and obvious stuff but your style is very subtle and sophisticated.

What I'm saying is that by putting a substance into the body, ONE factor of the mind-body-spirit complex, nobody is able to do anything irreversible to completely control the spirit complex. That's defeatist thinking. Also, there are many posts in this thread pointing fingers an anyone who decides to take the vaccine as automatically having fear based motivations for doing so, and many posts implying a timeline split where the non vaccinated faithful will go to the good timeline and the vaccinated sheep to the bad no matter the intent behind their decision in either direction. These are obviously false.

Yes, but you can calcify the pineal gland, like with heavy metals, which are in vaccines (nanoparticles) and lose touch with spirit.

(03-16-2021, 02:51 AM)Black Dragon Wrote:

(03-16-2021, 02:08 AM)zedro Wrote: If people are interested in how material substances, consciousness/intent (transmitting/receiving), the body/DNA, emotional/energy states/blockages, etc, all interact and affect each other, is primarily through vibration. This is why seemingly unrelated things can and do block, modify, transmit, interpret, etc, each other. So not only do you have signal, but an antennas ability to send/receive, and the transducer to interpret, storage to encode information. Mess with one of these 'mechanisms' and you change the interactions and potentials between MBS within the self and to without.

Modify/block DNA function, emotional function, intellectual/communication function....well you get dysfunction. You may be able to 'patch around it' or 'repair', or you may not. So use caution when playing with devices you don't fully understand.

This is an example of a mature and balanced perspective. Thank you for your contribution(s) to the topic. These are the kind of posts I appreciate. I'm not a "hardliner" for any stance or dogma. I just want to get to the truth and get a bit irked at unbalanced perspectives. I guess one could call unbalanced perspectives "autistic" perspectives, beyond the actual connotation of how people(often wrongfully) apply that word to 3d mental health. The pot and the kettle, if you will...sometimes the ones pointing fingers and labeling others as fearful might not feel 100% secure in their own choices...

(03-16-2021, 08:10 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Unity requires conflict resolution...

Ra 16.50 Wrote:...it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.

(03-16-2021, 08:10 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Unity requires conflict resolution. Humanity prefers to ignore problems and hope the karmic credit debt hits in the future. Debts are being called.

(03-16-2021, 06:38 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Black Dragon, I liked Post 525 because of its soaring optimism, the beauty inherent in some of its conclusions - e.g.: "Restitution is a more efficient and beautiful way of paying back karma then just making somebody suffer in return." - and the craft of your penmanship, but I must inquire: What is the source of this epic meta-narrative? It tells quite the story.

And to Flo, you're a love bomb. May I adopt you and/or steal you from your family? Just let me know when so that I can prepare notes for them.  

(03-16-2021, 10:00 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Thanks Black Dragon for sharing sources and insights. The question was mostly born of simple, genuine curiosity - I am unfamiliar with these narratives, though infinite variations abound, of course, Ra's testimony offering one such example.

I appreciate the fluidity of interpretation that doesn't hold the story to literal outer planes action figures but instead sees them potentially as metaphors for individual and collective psychic forces. Though the universe as I understand it is a stage on which dance infinite ontologically real beings, that fluidity opens me up the essences of your story, including among them humanity's self-agency in the journey and the relinquishing of the self-imposed shackles into a new awareness of our divine nature.

One more quick question before I stop derailing this thread. In the stitchwork of sources synthesized with your integrity and intuition, who is "humanity" in this phrase: "...humanity choosing the unity conscious timeline."

Is that the entire population of almost eight billion souls?

PS: In like vibration, "sheeple" is a word I deplore, even if used by people I agree with toward those holding positions I disagree with. Rings to me of arrogance it does.

(03-16-2021, 10:00 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Thanks Black Dragon for sharing sources and insights. The question was mostly born of simple, genuine curiosity - I am unfamiliar with these narratives, though infinite variations abound, of course, Ra's testimony offering one such example.

I appreciate the fluidity of interpretation that doesn't hold the story to literal outer planes action figures but instead sees them potentially as metaphors for individual and collective psychic forces. Though the universe as I understand it is a stage on which dance infinite ontologically real beings, that fluidity opens me up the essences of your story, including among them humanity's self-agency in the journey and the relinquishing of the self-imposed shackles into a new awareness of our divine nature.

One more quick question before I stop derailing this thread. In the stitchwork of sources synthesized with your integrity and intuition, who is "humanity" in this phrase: "...humanity choosing the unity conscious timeline."

Is that the entire population of almost eight billion souls?

PS: In like vibration, "sheeple" is a word I deplore, even if used by people I agree with toward those holding positions I disagree with. Rings to me of arrogance it does.

(03-16-2021, 10:56 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote:

(03-16-2021, 10:00 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Thanks Black Dragon for sharing sources and insights. The question was mostly born of simple, genuine curiosity - I am unfamiliar with these narratives, though infinite variations abound, of course, Ra's testimony offering one such example.

I appreciate the fluidity of interpretation that doesn't hold the story to literal outer planes action figures but instead sees them potentially as metaphors for individual and collective psychic forces. Though the universe as I understand it is a stage on which dance infinite ontologically real beings, that fluidity opens me up the essences of your story, including among them humanity's self-agency in the journey and the relinquishing of the self-imposed shackles into a new awareness of our divine nature.

One more quick question before I stop derailing this thread. In the stitchwork of sources synthesized with your integrity and intuition, who is "humanity" in this phrase: "...humanity choosing the unity conscious timeline."

Is that the entire population of almost eight billion souls?

PS: In like vibration, "sheeple" is a word I deplore, even if used by people I agree with toward those holding positions I disagree with. Rings to me of arrogance it does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqXuF5-Yabo

About 23-25 min in.

(03-16-2021, 10:45 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: I would say that most of the entire population that is now incarnate on Earth did consciously/subconsciously choose a unity conscious timeline. [...] no matter how flawed, veiled, distorted, in the sinkhole they were/are contributed on some level towards choosing the positive timeline.

(03-08-2021, 05:53 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: You could choose not to vaccinate, truthfully. They did completely skip the animal trials so we are their animal trials FYI.

Quote:It does take more than a decade to produce a vaccination generally. I mean if those two things donot make one nervous and think twice, I am not sure if anything would do the trick.

(03-09-2021, 03:44 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "If they manufacture an illness, why not take the manufactured cure that is also provided."

Generally speaking, this setup is called a con, a scam, or a high level deception trick.

Quote:The reason for the STS is not to create negative harvest in general. It is to keep people in the Wheel of Karma, reincarnating as recycled batteries

Quote:Neither socialism nor capitalism will be necessary in 4.5 density, because both are incomplete systems born of an STS civilization and world

(03-09-2021, 07:16 PM)Louisabell Wrote: I wonder what would make an organisation classed as STS in third density. Are we talking about a pharmaceutical company?

(03-10-2021, 09:12 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Did Patrick say that about the nukes awhile ago? I can't recall any more.

But if so, that would make it twice I've highlighted Quo's channeling and how it contradicted what people here claimed the Confederation sources were saying.

The narrative, in the beginning at least, was that the threat of STS wax/virus was fearmongering.

But Q'uo literally spells out the bio weapon intent behind SARS/others. Population reduction is the answer chosen by the Confederation, not by conspiracy seekers here.

Then afterwards, the narrative shifted to "well, it's still okay even if the intent is negative, because we can heal or it won't affect us".

But again, "Q'uo" mentions how the mind body spirit can be disintegrated. What does disintegration mean? It means you lose your data and spiritual experience, being recycled back to 1st or 2nd density. The light codes, the Divine coding, that connects mind body spirit together is the DNA, even the 'junk' DNA.

(03-11-2021, 08:15 AM)Patrick Wrote: I am not saying that a nuclear explosion is not allowed. I am saying that destroying the template of en entity is not allowed. Your physical body is destroyed but the helpers protects the entity.

Losing a MBS complex because of a nuclear weapon never happened. There is no need to fear this.

Quote:fear...

(03-19-2021, 04:28 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(03-11-2021, 08:15 AM)Patrick Wrote: I am not saying that a nuclear explosion is not allowed. I am saying that destroying the template of en entity is not allowed. Your physical body is destroyed but the helpers protects the entity.

Losing a MBS complex because of a nuclear weapon never happened. There is no need to fear this.

Sorry to disrupt that comfortable perception, but the spirits of those who died in last two nuclear explosions on this planet were saved only with specific intervention from certain confederation sources, and by permission of the council. It is not an automatic process, leaving aside that its not a spiritual law, and no kind of information was given on whether it was done for earlier nuclear wars on this planet or Maldek.

So its probably a one time situation which was done with the initiative of certain confederation entities and permission of the council. Which means that entities are pretty much free to destroy each other's existence in this universe using nuclear weapons.

Meaning that people of this planet, especially spiritual seekers, should not be childish as to expect that no matter whatever happens, someone will just come and remove the uncomfortable consequences, like preventing a nuclear war or saving those who die in a nuclear war next time.

The logos provides tools for the experience, and the rest is up to the entities, as explained in the material.

(03-19-2021, 04:28 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(03-08-2021, 05:53 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: You could choose not to vaccinate, truthfully. They did completely skip the animal trials so we are their animal trials FYI.

That's false. Dont propagate false information.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264

Quote:It does take more than a decade to produce a vaccination generally. I mean if those two things donot make one nervous and think twice, I am not sure if anything would do the trick.

It doesnt. Again, dont propagate false information as if it was truth. Holy cow.

(03-09-2021, 03:44 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "If they manufacture an illness, why not take the manufactured cure that is also provided."

Generally speaking, this setup is called a con, a scam, or a high level deception trick.

Even if it was so, it wouldnt matter: You would eventually die from 'manufactured' disease. Because it doesnt matter whether a disease was manufactured or natural. A disease is a disease.

Beyond that, the nonsensical, childish concept that 'there is one world elite that plans all the things' is just inapplicable: If there is one establishment that manufactures a disease and drops it in another country to harm them, the other countries dont want to get harmed, so they produce their cures. That would be the same case if Nazi Germany survived, dropped a biological weapon somewhere in the form of a disease, and every other country in the world rushed to produce cures for that.

Quote:The reason for the STS is not to create negative harvest in general. It is to keep people in the Wheel of Karma, reincarnating as recycled batteries

No such thing - Negative entities need negatively harvestable entities to increase their power. Random 3d entities being reincarnated into a 3d planet does nothing to provide any such result. Moreover, the lower the level of an entity, the more despicable/lowly that entity for the negatively harvested entities. So much that early negative 6d entities cut most contact with outside world, as Ra explains.

There is no benefit in random death and chaos in direction of negative harvest. Much better to create a religious cult, a fascist organization or similar constructs to propagate negative polarity and try increasing negatively harvestable leaders while polarizing the believers or followers negatively.

Quote:Neither socialism nor capitalism will be necessary in 4.5 density, because both are incomplete systems born of an STS civilization and world

So, socialism is born of a negative sts civilization and world, and yet people will have to share even their memories in 4d.

Thats contradiction.

Each and every positive entity listed as wanderers in Ra material had philosophical inclination towards more equality, whereas some positively polarized 3d entities like Einstein and the actual wanderer Martin Luther King were outright Socialist.

(03-09-2021, 07:16 PM)Louisabell Wrote: I wonder what would make an organisation classed as STS in third density. Are we talking about a pharmaceutical company?

Just like how a lot of conservatives, especially in modern US discourse, seem to call anything they dont like 'socialism' or 'communism', many spiritualist people seem to be doing the same by labeling anything they dont like 'STS'. That seems to be basically it.

(03-10-2021, 09:12 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Did Patrick say that about the nukes awhile ago? I can't recall any more.

But if so, that would make it twice I've highlighted Quo's channeling and how it contradicted what people here claimed the Confederation sources were saying.

The narrative, in the beginning at least, was that the threat of STS wax/virus was fearmongering.

But Q'uo literally spells out the bio weapon intent behind SARS/others. Population reduction is the answer chosen by the Confederation, not by conspiracy seekers here.

Then afterwards, the narrative shifted to "well, it's still okay even if the intent is negative, because we can heal or it won't affect us".

But again, "Q'uo" mentions how the mind body spirit can be disintegrated. What does disintegration mean? It means you lose your data and spiritual experience, being recycled back to 1st or 2nd density. The light codes, the Divine coding, that connects mind body spirit together is the DNA, even the 'junk' DNA.

It needs to be reminded that conscious channeling is not reliable as the method of channeling used for Ra material, and the conscious channelers' personal biases and subconscious has great effect on what they end up translating. So, everyone should take conscious channeling with a truckload of salt.

(03-11-2021, 08:15 AM)Patrick Wrote: I am not saying that a nuclear explosion is not allowed. I am saying that destroying the template of en entity is not allowed. Your physical body is destroyed but the helpers protects the entity.

Losing a MBS complex because of a nuclear weapon never happened. There is no need to fear this.

Sorry to disrupt that comfortable perception, but the spirits of those who died in last two nuclear explosions on this planet were saved only with specific intervention from certain confederation sources, and by permission of the council. It is not an automatic process, leaving aside that its not a spiritual law, and no kind of information was given on whether it was done for earlier nuclear wars on this planet or Maldek.

So its probably a one time situation which was done with the initiative of certain confederation entities and permission of the council. Which means that entities are pretty much free to destroy each other's existence in this universe using nuclear weapons.

Meaning that people of this planet, especially spiritual seekers, should not be childish as to expect that no matter whatever happens, someone will just come and remove the uncomfortable consequences, like preventing a nuclear war or saving those who die in a nuclear war next time.

The logos provides tools for the experience, and the rest is up to the entities, as explained in the material.

...

Quote:fear...

First, fear is an evolutionary tool that is created to prevent entities from doing things which they should not be doing. Like randomly throwing themselves off of a cliff. Or, consciously throwing themselves off of a cliff. Or, accidentally falling down a cliff while being careless and irresponsable. You dont intellectually and consciously know not to touch a burning stove and re-calculate your behaviors based on that knowledge every few seconds to avoid doing such dangerous things - you subconsciously avoid them by using the instinct which was created through the mechanism of fear you had.

Its not something that should be repressed - like any other emotion. Someone who has no fear is not someone who is brave. S/he is someone debilitated, psychologically disabled or foolish.

Bravery is doing the right thing or the thing that needs to be done despite fear.

That said...

People, especially spiritual seekers need to realize that the time of childhood is over, since this world is now in early 4d, and its time to stop putting faith in the fragments of beliefs in earlier religions, like the semitic religions, especially Christian religion which has a built-in 'getting saved' concept. In which all the believers need to do is to just believe, and everything will be 'just alright' because an external entity will come save them from all their troubles without them having to take any action other than believing.

As you can see, when that is put into everyday wordage, it sounds very childish and irresponsible. You dont need to do anything but just put your faith in this and that abstract belief that has no actual confirmation, and someone else will just fix your problems for you.

Spiritual evolution doesnt work that way. Nobody can advance on his/her spiritual path without taking responsibility and action in the direction s/he wants to follow. There is no exception to this, no special chosen person, race, people, religious or cultural flock or group.

The only way to go forward is to take responsibility, take action and walk forward. Not sit and believe and not have fear.

"Believing that it will just be okay" wont help the virus. "Not believing" that it exists wont help it either. Avoiding the vaccine because "it is based on fear" (whatever on earth that means) will definitely not help.

That's no different than 'not believing in fear' and wandering around a cliff's edge, believing that everything will 'just be okay' because you 'dont give in to fear' and you believe that some spiritual entity or entities will 'just' fix your problems for you, and then falling off the cliff to discover that you have broken most of your bones and have to go through an arduous process of healing.

You may fall off the cliff. You may not. But its foolish to wander around the cliff with that mindset. Its as simple as that.

....

In between something bad happening with, 1 in 1,5 million chance...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008e3.htm

...or 1 in 60 chance...

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

...not choosing the former is just being a fool. The former is someone's chance from dying from covid vaccine, whereas the latter is the chance of dying from covid. Give or take a few percent.

That's the summary of the vaccine situation.

(03-17-2021, 12:00 PM)David_1 Wrote:    This article summarizes evidence that the maxxines are not for the benefit of humanity.
https://tinyurl.com/yep6usxd

(03-20-2021, 12:21 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:

(03-17-2021, 12:00 PM)David_1 Wrote:    This article summarizes evidence that the maxxines are not for the benefit of humanity.
https://tinyurl.com/yep6usxd

david this article seems to me to be total nonsense?

what the hell is this?

(03-20-2021, 12:28 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: I think I voted "No" on this, but I might change my vote to "I will if I have to" I am hoping I do not have to. How many red flags do people need? For f***'s sake, the CEO of Pfizer got denied access to Israel and had to cancel an event there because HE WASN'T VACCINATED. Let that sink in.