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RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Ymarsakar - 04-26-2021
It's not STS doing this, Patrick. It is humanity itself. Spiritual bypassing here.
"If we want to bring the mainstream on board, we should embrace their beliefs in science while encouraging them the view it properly for what it is and dispel the ludicrous portrayal that STS painted."
Ever see the TOWER FALL card, Patrick?
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-26-2021
(04-26-2021, 08:04 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: It's not STS doing this, Patrick. It is humanity itself. Spiritual bypassing here.
...
That is what I am saying.
We are not victims of STS, we let ourselves be seduced by their teachings.
(04-26-2021, 08:04 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: ...
Ever see the TOWER FALL card, Patrick?
I can't say I have no.
I am using this deck.
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RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - zedro - 04-26-2021
"...STS makes a travesty of everything, including spirituality and science."
And this is why we can't lean on these as being anything but transient concepts, no more or less meaningful than music or philosophy. As soon as you make any of these axiomatic, they become the 'tools of the gods/priests' and not just simple tools of a trade.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-26-2021
(04-26-2021, 08:36 PM)zedro Wrote: "...STS makes a travesty of everything, including spirituality and science."
And this is why we can't lean on these as being anything but transient concepts, no more or less meaningful than music or philosophy. As soon as you make any of these axiomatic, they become the 'tools of the gods/priests' and not just simple tools of a trade.
It's the people that are leaning on such at the moment. I'm just saying that for the people to understand the Law of One, they'll need to hear it using the language of science. It so happens that it is now possible to do so.
Otherwise it remains a fringe movement. They are too invested in their belief in science. Yes it's a belief for them, they don't see it just as a tool, but instead sees the consensus as dogma. But just as Ra used English to speak to us, so must we speak science in order to inspire the mainstream towards realization of the Law of One.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Ymarsakar - 04-26-2021
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4643
http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4221
http://www.lawofone.info/pdfs/archetype-study-workbook.pdf
Images in the PDF.
2020 would be Lightning falling, towers crashing.
2021 would be Devil, temptation, control, also Towers crashing.
"I'm just saying that for the people to understand the Law of One, they'll need to hear it using the language of science. It so happens that it is now possible to do so."
Before that happens, the Tower of Science and Authority must come crashing down. You just had things out of order, Patrick.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Anders - 04-27-2021
One problem is that the incentive for the healthcare industry is to keep itself going and growing. That means that the overall long-term effect is to keep people as sick as possible for as long as possible to maximize profit and prosperity for the industry itself (service to self), not for the people.
And that includes teaching false ideas in medicine. For example I heard that the heart is actually more of a break than a pump. Compare with a tree for example. Does the tree have a pump to bring water up into the branches and the leaves? Similarly, I doubt that the primary purpose of the immune system is to be an internal war machine as is claimed in medicine today. The immune system is more like a cleaning system I believe.
Having viruses as a perpetual threat makes vaccines a susceptible target for boosting the healthcare industry rather than actually solving any problems. On the contrary, what is beneficial for the healthcare system is to vaccinate the majority of the population, repeatedly year after year. Scary!
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
The issues with healthcare has the same root as the issues with science. That being the usage of the obsolete concept of money.
As soon as we reach a threshold of people being aware of this then alternatives will start to become a possibility.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Ymarsakar - 04-27-2021
"The issues with healthcare has the same root as the issues with science. That being the usage of the obsolete concept of money."
You keep saying it is humans that have to change, but you don't mention humans being at fault, but obsolete concepts. How is that going to get humans to change, will they suddenly wake up and accept your version of money?
So far the proof has not been overwhelming. If you, Patrick, with your view of "better concept of money" can't solve the healthcare and science issue, then how is anybody else going to do that by not using the obsolete concept of money? Do you somehow not use the obsolete concept of money and what has that done to manifest science and healthcare reform?
"We are not victims of STS, we let ourselves be seduced by their teachings."
So how is embracing the mainstream science going to change that? Their teachings are the mainstream science that you say we have to adopt, how is that different from the obsolete concept of money?
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
How?
How is first by talking about it. Once people realizes how ridiculous the concept of money is, we can work on the next steps.
It's an internal process that people will go through, but it starts with discussing it and raising awareness.
This work is the stuff of decades if not centuries. Nearly all that STS has built is standing on this concept of money, so it is the one thing that needs to be released in order to make them completely powerless in one sweep.
Where science comes into this is that it has already been demonstrated empirically that we are in a post-scarcity society and that it is only STS that is maintaining the status-quo artificially.
Here is an example of what the scientific process is working on to do away with money and the steps to achieve it (accounting still being used until the very last step).
http://www.memenomics.com/what-is-memenomics
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Ymarsakar - 04-27-2021
"Once people realizes how ridiculous the concept of money is, we can work on the next steps."
But the scientists need money to live, to eat, to do work, to do their research. How exactly can you convince them that what they need is ridiculous?
"It's an internal process that people will go through, but it starts with discussing it and raising awareness."
If it is an internal process, then there is no point talking about it or adopting their mainstream science. As it won't affect their internal progress either way.
"This work is the stuff of decades if not centuries."
Human civilization is not going to last that long at this rate.
"but it starts with discussing it and raising awareness.
"
Before awareness can be raised, mind control and social media tech tyrants prevent it from being discussed.
"Where science comes into this is that it has already been demonstrated empirically that we are in a post-scarcity society"
That's only a theoretical and mathematical construct. It does not exist for the actual scientists and mathematicians. To you, it may exist, but you'd have to prove or convince other humans that it exists.
"Nearly all that STS has built is standing on this concept of money, so it is the one thing that needs to be released in order to make them completely powerless in one sweep."
A Solar flash that destroys all technology, would also destroy modern finance systems. So what actual physical solution are you thinking of here?
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Anders - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 06:41 AM)Patrick Wrote: The issues with healthcare has the same root as the issues with science. That being the usage of the obsolete concept of money.
Unfortunately even single-payer universal healthcare systems have the same problem. It's the system as a whole that has the incentive to survive and thrive, which fuels sickness instead of health.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 09:36 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "Once people realizes how ridiculous the concept of money is, we can work on the next steps."
But the scientists need money to live, to eat, to do work, to do their research. How exactly can you convince them that what they need is ridiculous?
It's not what they need that is ridiculous. It's that they need this thing called money to get what they need that is ridiculous. That ridiculous money thing will have to be used until we are done putting everything in place for us to stop using it. Like automating 100% of everything that can be, until with the advancement of tech, all can be automated and is.
(04-27-2021, 09:36 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "It's an internal process that people will go through, but it starts with discussing it and raising awareness."
If it is an internal process, then there is no point talking about it or adopting their mainstream science. As it won't affect their internal progress either way.
People are not going to start any internal process regarding this if they are not even aware that they might want to do that. Most people have no idea that money is only a tool for evil and that nothing good can come out of it.
So raising awareness and talking about it is needed and useful.
(04-27-2021, 09:36 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "This work is the stuff of decades if not centuries."
Human civilization is not going to last that long at this rate.
As you know, I am hopelessly optimistic. So it will not only last until it becomes a 4D civilization, but everything will start being better along the way. In part due to people talking about it and holding that intent high.
(04-27-2021, 09:36 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "but it starts with discussing it and raising awareness."
Before awareness can be raised, mind control and social media tech tyrants prevent it from being discussed.
Sure, it's their obvious move. But we are raising awareness anyway and at some point these STS control structures will start loosing their grasp. In fact that is already happening because many are helping to raise awareness of these control structures (which all happens to be rooted in the concept of money, by the way).
(04-27-2021, 09:36 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "Where science comes into this is that it has already been demonstrated empirically that we are in a post-scarcity society"
That's only a theoretical and mathematical construct. It does not exist for the actual scientists and mathematicians. To you, it may exist, but you'd have to prove or convince other humans that it exists.
Any testable hypothesis remains valid until it fails a test and needs to be replaced with a better one. All proper testing so far has failed in disproving that we are in a post-scarcity society. There are a lot of research ongoing on the subject of resource distribution without money. Stuff like reverse-accounting being a very useful stopgap measure on the road to ditching money.
Also, it is not all theoretical, there are ongoing experiments. For example, experiments with Universal Basic Income.
So if it did not already exists for actual scientists and mathematicians, there would not be any books written on the subject or ongoing experiment. But we do have these.
(04-27-2021, 09:36 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "Nearly all that STS has built is standing on this concept of money, so it is the one thing that needs to be released in order to make them completely powerless in one sweep."
A Solar flash that destroys all technology, would also destroy modern finance systems. So what actual physical solution are you thinking of here?
Instead of destroying all technology, you redirect all technology to serve us. You automate absolutely everything, starting with food production.
The beauty of it is that for financial reasons, the Elites are automating things anyway. They think they'll be able to control how that goes, but they are deluding themselves. It will escape them and end up serving humanity. Once everything is automated, people will work less and less and have more time to think about stuff like the Law of One. Until at some point no one is required to earn anything, every required resources being available to all.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 10:08 AM)Anders Wrote:(04-27-2021, 06:41 AM)Patrick Wrote: The issues with healthcare has the same root as the issues with science. That being the usage of the obsolete concept of money.
Unfortunately even single-payer universal healthcare systems have the same problem. It's the system as a whole that has the incentive to survive and thrive, which fuels sickness instead of health.
I was not excluding single-payer universal healthcare from what I said. I live in Canada. The issue is money.
We cannot fix it using any monetary schemes whatsoever.
One of the greatest modern achievement of STS is putting in place the false dichotomy of Capitalism and Socialism. Both are monetary schemes and will not solve the root issue. Yes a UBI is a socialism scheme, but is only a stopgap measure on the road to ditching money altogether.
Imagine living in the Star Trek universe. When you get up in the morning, how do you decide what you are going to do this day? You don't actually need to do anything. So you have to find something you think is worth doing. That could be meditating all day, painting, making music or helping advance tech in sectors you are interested in helping with, like healthcare for example. Your motives for doing so would only be to help by doing something you like doing. Motives like earning a living or making profits being a nightmarish thing of the past, barely comprehensible to those born in that moneyless society.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Anders - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 10:35 AM)Patrick Wrote: I was not excluding single-payer universal healthcare from what I said. I live in Canada. The issue is money.
We cannot fix it using any monetary schemes whatsoever.
One of the greatest modern achievement of STS is putting in place the false dichotomy of Capitalism and Socialism. Both are monetary schemes and will not solve the root issue. Yes a UBI is a socialism scheme, but is only a stopgap measure on the road to ditching money altogether.
Imagine living in the Star Trek universe. When you get up in the morning, how do you decide what you are going to do this day? You don't actually need to do anything. So you have to find something you think is worth doing. That could be meditating all day, painting, making music or helping advance tech in sectors you are interested in helping with, like healthcare for example. Your motives for doing so would only be to help by doing something you like doing. Motives like earning a living or making profits being a nightmarish thing of the past, barely comprehensible to those born in that moneyless society.
Interesting. Yes, the incentive has to be changed. The incentive to earn money blocks the more productive forms of incentives. Regarding a UBI I agree, it should only be a temporary transition tool.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 10:42 AM)Anders Wrote: Interesting. Yes, the incentive has to be changed. The incentive to earn money blocks the more productive forms of incentives. Regarding a UBI I agree, it should only be a temporary transition tool.
I am a computer programmer and there is some very interesting research being done on the Open Source movement and what incentivizes people participating in that process. It is not too far fetched to imagine a kind of Open Science process similar to open source software and why not even Open Healthcare.
Things are moving in the direction of what looks like a Utopia from our current point of view, but is only normality from the point of view of a transition from 3D to 4D.
Of course, someone watching the news or even following conspirations on the net will not notice these wonderful things falling into place little by little. The Conspirations circles in particular have been completely hijacked by STS to promote stuff like pure Free Markets and demonize any forms of socialism. Because STS knows we have to use a little bit of socialism on the road to ditching money and so ditching their power.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Diana - 04-27-2021
I have a few random thoughts.
Science.
Many organizations and entities are corrupt and not pure in intent in this world today. Science is no exception. Empirical approach to data is in itself a functional and objective system. So there is nothing wrong with science in and of itself, it is the people and the organizations they work within that distort the results of scientific investigation.
Studies are notorious for being skewed toward a result. Profit (much of it like hedging "futures") and maintaining grants is how much of research science survives. Though individuals may be pure in intent, the orgs they work for or the grants they need to maintain have to justify their existence.
So, in my opinion, to talk about science is not a simple subject. Scientists have paradigms like everyone else, though they like to think of themselves as objective. Even double-blind studies have the one great unsolved empirical anomaly of the placebo effect, which throws a huge wrench in results.
So science, even in its purest state at this point in time, has its limitations. Now throw in profitability and research survival, and things get murkier.
My general point is that I find the polarized view of science vs. conspiracy one-dimensional. Some conspiracies are true and some science is corrupted; and some conspiracies are grasping at straws and some science is legitimate; and so on. Intuition and discernment are advised, and still, it's not like we KNOW much of anything, and what we think we know expands as we apprehend more information. Biologists do not even understand metabolism in any way that could be called comprehensive as an example. Like much of science, there is enough data to allow for some functionality—Newtonian physics being another example, which we now know is incorrect but viable for certain things.
Money
I don't see money as evil. It is only something we use. I call it cabbage. It is energy, a tool of exchange. It's the systems and individuals who levy the power of survival or manipulation over others with money—even in a small way STO-oriented individuals who like the idea of having better "things" or jobs even if that is subconscious—that is the cause of imbalance, in my opinion.
So, how to evolve out of this survival box we are in involving how much money one has?
1. People evolve consciously, so that they don't respond to the manipulation and fear.
2. The manipulation and fear are removed. (UBI could be the first step here.)
So one might say it is the old question of whether the chicken or the egg comes first.
The way people wake up to ideas or change can happen in a number of ways. Activism has certainly played its part. I would bring racism up at this point. It has been since 1865 in the US that slavery was abolished. It is now over 150 years later and still racism exists against African Americans. So activism can only go so far in changing paradigms. After that, I think unconditional acceptance is the vehicle which carries the movement forth, wherein those who are still racist are not vilified and those who are judged for their color are seen as equal other-selves. There are two sides to the coin, where the "perpetrators" must be accepted as well as the "victims."
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - AnthroHeart - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 11:29 AM)Patrick Wrote:(04-27-2021, 10:42 AM)Anders Wrote: Interesting. Yes, the incentive has to be changed. The incentive to earn money blocks the more productive forms of incentives. Regarding a UBI I agree, it should only be a temporary transition tool.
I am a computer programmer and there is some very interesting research being done on the Open Source movement and what incentivizes people participating in that process. It is not too far fetched to imagine a kind of Open Science process similar to open source software and why not even Open Healthcare.
Things are moving in the direction of what looks like a Utopia from our current point of view, but is only normality from the point of view of a transition from 3D to 4D.
Of course, someone watching the news or even following conspirations on the net will not notice these wonderful things falling into place little by little. The Conspirations circles in particular have been completely hijacked by STS to promote stuff like pure Free Markets and demonize any forms of socialism. Because STS knows we have to use a little bit of socialism on the road to ditching money and so ditching their power.
Have you made any Open Source software?
I think it's a great community and cause.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 11:53 AM)Diana Wrote: ...I don't see money as evil. It is only something we use. I call it cabbage. It is energy, a tool of exchange...
Of course, the tool itself is neutral. I guess what I am saying is that this tool was created only for the purpose of stealing and hoarding our energies. It is sold to us as a simple mechanism of trade, but STO does not require equal exchange for services or resources, that is a STS concept that we are so used to that we think it's normal. There is no downside for STO to function within a moneyless society and only advantages compared to using money.
STO people try to make positive use if that tool, but what STO is trying to achieve would only benefit from being achieved in a moneyless society and there would be no downside for STO from evolving to a moneyless society.
So I do not believe STO gains anything from defending the concept of money. Hence why I dedicated my life to raising awareness of what it would look like without money. Because people can barely imagine that it would be possible and even less how things would work without money.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 12:21 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Have you made any Open Source software?
I think it's a great community and cause.
I contribute to existing projects, mostly by submitting bug fixes.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - zedro - 04-27-2021
UBI in itself is not a solution, it's another neutral concept. Because UBI can be easily tied to a slavery/control type system, like social credit, removal of property rights, etc, where now you have no choices whatsoever, because income only gets distributed out by the ruling institutions, and getting cut off for 'bad behavior' is the new negative incentive. After all, UBI is just another expression of communism which hasn't gone very well to say the least.
So while it could be a positive tool, the context in which the UN/Davos/World Economic Forum is framing it, is an absolute totalitarian facist/communist s*** show where everything will be tracked and controlled, from people to food production and goods and services. This has already been literally written down in documents, it's what they are aiming for right now.
We need to get away from centralized control, at least in the interim, because the STO side is currently in no position to umbrella a world wide system that won't be turned into a nightmare. Humanity needs to experience/understand true independence and freedom before it can start building such large frameworks. In the meantime, it needs to focus on infrastructure and institutions that serve the individuals needs without rationalisation, and strip away the false scarcity and help with the foundation of living without strings attached. So yes UBI could potentially do that, but it requires alot of other paradigm shifts so to keep it from being another corrupted tool.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Ymarsakar - 04-27-2021
"The Conspirations circles in particular have been completely hijacked by STS to promote stuff like pure Free Markets and demonize any forms of socialism."
That is one way to raise one's consciousness. Being aware of negative realms is a higher state just like being aware of positive realms. 4th Density negative exists, so does 5th and 6th negative.
The power one gains in Divinity is equivalent more or less.
So while you say awareness is good, the actual methods human use for raising awareness, you discard yet have nothing better in terms of practical methods.
" All proper testing so far has failed in disproving that we are in a post-scarcity society. "
Scientific methods do not attempt to disprove something. They attempt to gain data to prove a theory or hypothesis. If the data contradicts the hypothesis enough, and a better one is available, then the current hypothesis is discarded in favor of the better one. But both are not "proven" nor "disproven" yet. They are just useful, not absolutely true.
So scientists would not care that you say x has failed in disproving. They want the actual proof of evidence backing up your post scarcity hypothesis. They want something concrete, not theoretical or make believe.
As for spreading the word, humans have free will. They can choose "not to know". So no matter how many times you attempt to share the info, if they block you 30 times, you are just depolarizing in attempting to "raise awareness" further.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - LeiwoUnion - 04-27-2021
These control systems are so powerful, not because they are set up so well, but because there are still so many people willing and wanting to be controlled. The invitation is still up. Indoctrinatrd and insecure people should begin to accept responsibility, but how?
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Ymarsakar - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 01:29 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: These control systems are so powerful, not because they are set up so well, but because there are still so many people willing and wanting to be controlled. The invitation is still up. Indoctrinatrd and insecure people should begin to accept responsibility, but how?
2020 and 2021 is how. When the hammer drops on their life. Same as usual with most spiritual awakenings. Some people have to literally die, medically, and be resurrected in near death experiences, where they pass over and bring back the spiritual experience, before they awaken from their ego software.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 01:06 PM)zedro Wrote: UBI in itself is not a solution, it's another neutral concept. Because UBI can be easily tied to a slavery/control type system, like social credit, removal of property rights, etc, where now you have no choices whatsoever, because income only gets distributed out by the ruling institutions, and getting cut off for 'bad behavior' is the new negative incentive. After all, UBI is just another expression of communism which hasn't gone very well to say the least.
So while it could be a positive tool, the context in which the UN/Davos/World Economic Forum is framing it, is an absolute totalitarian facist/communist s*** show where everything will be tracked and controlled, from people to food production and goods and services. This has already been literally written down in documents, it's what they are aiming for right now.
We need to get away from centralized control, at least in the interim, because the STO side is currently in no position to umbrella a world wide system that won't be turned into a nightmare. Humanity needs to experience/understand true independence and freedom before it can start building such large frameworks. In the meantime, it needs to focus on infrastructure and institutions that serve the individuals needs without rationalisation, and strip away the false scarcity and help with the foundation of living without strings attached. So yes UBI could potentially do that, but it requires alot of other paradigm shifts so to keep it from being another corrupted tool.
It comes down to what the transition to a moneyless system looks like. What does such a transition look like?
We can't be certain of what that looks like, but I think it's easier to see what it does not look like. So we can use this to help steer us away from going where STS would like us to go. We can try to imagine if a proposal is getting us closer or further away from ending up with a moneyless system.
But that also take a little bit of faith and for us to set our intent for a positive outcome.
Personally, I would not mind for privacy to go away, but of course it would have to go away for everyone at the same time. STS would not be able to function without privacy and let's not forget that the end result of reaching 4D is a state where privacy no longer exists to a point that harmony becomes automatic.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Diana - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 01:02 PM)Patrick Wrote:(04-27-2021, 11:53 AM)Diana Wrote: ...I don't see money as evil. It is only something we use. I call it cabbage. It is energy, a tool of exchange...
Of course, the tool itself is neutral. I guess what I am saying is that this tool was created only for the purpose of stealing and hoarding our energies. It is sold to us as a simple mechanism of trade, but STO does not require equal exchange for services or resources, that is a STS concept that we are so used to that we think it's normal. There is no downside for STO to function within a moneyless society and only advantages compared to using money.
STO people try to make positive use if that tool, but what STO is trying to achieve would only benefit from being achieved in a moneyless society and there would be no downside for STO from evolving to a moneyless society.
So I do not believe STO gains anything from defending the concept of money. Hence why I dedicated my life to raising awareness of what it would look like without money. Because people can barely imagine that it would be possible and even less how things would work without money.
You're probably right. Though I don't justify the money system and how it works, only that, as you say, the tool itself is neutral. That may not be the way to move forward. And eventually, I think it is a very safe assumption that there won't be any.
It's awesome that you have "dedicated [your] life to raising awareness of what it would look like without money." It definitely helps to visualize in a practical way a possible future. It works around and bypasses the existing problems.
I love Star Trek 4 when Kirk is handing out bills to the team not even knowing what the value is. And then they stand around looking conspicuous. It's hilarious.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 01:27 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: So while you say awareness is good, the actual methods human use for raising awareness, you discard yet have nothing better in terms of practical methods.
What method of raising awareness am I discarding?
(04-27-2021, 01:27 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: " All proper testing so far has failed in disproving that we are in a post-scarcity society. "
Scientific methods do not attempt to disprove something. They attempt to gain data to prove a theory or hypothesis. If the data contradicts the hypothesis enough, and a better one is available, then the current hypothesis is discarded in favor of the better one. But both are not "proven" nor "disproven" yet. They are just useful, not absolutely true.
So scientists would not care that you say x has failed in disproving. They want the actual proof of evidence backing up your post scarcity hypothesis. They want something concrete, not theoretical or make believe.
We may have to agree to disagree on what the scientific method is.
You seem to subscribe to the popular view of what science is (which is not the actual definition that the majority of scientists use). That is why I made it clear in a previous post that the definition of the scientific method I subscribe to is the main one that most scientists also subscribes to and not the mythological mainstream view that is not based in reality. That is to say that science can never ever prove anything whatsoever. It can only disprove hypotheses.
Maybe you are mixing up engineering and science?
(04-27-2021, 01:27 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: As for spreading the word, humans have free will. They can choose "not to know".
Ain't that the truth !
Then there is nothing else for me to do other than repeat the same things over and over, just like those of the Confederation are doing with us, until such a time where an entity is finally ready to hear to good news.
(04-27-2021, 01:27 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: So no matter how many times you attempt to share the info, if they block you 30 times, you are just depolarizing in attempting to "raise awareness" further.
Actually, each and everyone of my attempts are made with positive intent and can only polarize me positively. Those not ready to hear the good news won't be negatively affected even if I repeat one million times. They will see something other than what I meant, one million times.
People come here to be exposed to such inspiration, because science and the rest of our everyday experiences are not separate from spirituality. It is all One. I would not go door to door to share that information.
We all see what we want to see.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Ymarsakar - 04-27-2021
"What method of raising awareness am I discarding?"
You call it conspiration. Conspiracism and conspiracy
"You seem to subscribe to the popular view of what science is (which is not the actual definition that the majority of scientists use). "
I utilize the original scientific method and your described method is the popular view of what science now is.
That's just the beginning of the problems you talk about but do not pinpoint or are aware of.
"That is to say that science can never ever prove anything whatsoever. It can only disprove hypotheses."
Something that cannot prove something, also cannot disprove something. That is simple logic.
There is data, hypothesis, and that's about it.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - confusedseeker - 04-27-2021
Now they are saying we should discard our mask outdoors ONLY if we took the vaccine! LMAO, these people in charge really think we are dumb. People are waking up.
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Patrick - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 02:26 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "What method of raising awareness am I discarding?"
You call it conspiration. Conspiracism and conspiracy
I see.
We could say that conspiracy theories are the content and not the method. The method here is still information sharing. It's the same thing I am doing. It's the focus of the content that is different.
The issue I have with the content of many CTs at the moment is that they purport to Earthly happenings while having no supporting evidence. When we talk about spiritual concepts it is expected to be a faith based matter. But when we discuss things happening in consensus reality, we can protect ourselves from manipulation from STS by expecting evidence. Otherwise STS is just having a field day within the CT circles.
Real CTs have evidence provided by whistleblowers. Not even mainstream news can block that type of information from waking up people.
(04-27-2021, 02:26 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "You seem to subscribe to the popular view of what science is (which is not the actual definition that the majority of scientists use). "
I utilize the original scientific method and your described method is the popular view of what science now is.
That's just the beginning of the problems you talk about but do not pinpoint or are aware of.
I can only agree to disagree on those statements.
Interesting info over there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method
But really, without agreeing on the base semantics there is no hope of understanding.
(04-27-2021, 02:26 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "That is to say that science can never ever prove anything whatsoever. It can only disprove hypotheses."
Something that cannot prove something, also cannot disprove something. That is simple logic.
There is data, hypothesis, and that's about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
RE: Are you going to take the vaccine? - Ymarsakar - 04-27-2021
"The issue I have with the content of many CTs at the moment is that they purport to Earthly happenings while having no supporting evidence."
Are you unaware of the long list of conspiracy theories that became fact as time went on?
"But really, without agreeing on the base semantics there is no hope of understanding."
That's the difference between what I do and what you are doing. You are writing and talking, and using wikipedia articles about subjects that other people tell you about and you believe them, sight unseen.
I test systems, hypothesis, by gathering data and comparing them to other data and methods, both scientific and otherwise.
There is a huge gap between your way of doing things and my way of doing things, and it is not "semantics".
A very simple example is Ohms' Law. V=IR
It is a very simple 3 variable equation or statement that V will always equal I times R. The experiment to test this produces reproducible results, although there is also other circuits that do not give those results because it is not direct current circuits. So this data did not falsify nor did it disprove Ohms' Law.
What popular science does is to take this equation, and accept only the data that confirms it and throws out data that does not confirm it as an outlier or mistake. Because of the repetition method.
This repetition method is not based on what people at wikipedia wrote in an article.
It's based on collecting the raw data.
Your view of science is the popular, modern, degenerated version. My utilization of science conforms to the classical breakthroughs people made via collecting raw data, not confirming their pet theories or biases.
As such, your chances of accomplishing a timeline in which scientists accept/reform that they are wrong by adopting your mainstream degenerated views of evidence based logic and hypothesis testing, is very low. Change happens from within, it is an internal process. Those who have not or cannot undergo this process, can in no way radiate a signal to change the shard universes of others.
In other words, if you can't do what scientists do, their chances of listening to you begins to approach zero.
"Ohm's law was probably the most important of the early quantitative descriptions of the physics of electricity. We consider it almost obvious today. When Ohm first published his work, this was not the case; critics reacted to his treatment of the subject with hostility. They called his work a "web of naked fancies"[10] and the German Minister of Education proclaimed that "a professor who preached such heresies was unworthy to teach science."[11] The prevailing scientific philosophy in Germany at the time asserted that experiments need not be performed to develop an understanding of nature because nature is so well ordered, and that scientific truths may be deduced through reasoning alone.[12] Also, Ohm's brother Martin, a mathematician, was battling the German educational system. These factors hindered the acceptance of Ohm's work, and his work did not become widely accepted until the 1840s. However, Ohm received recognition for his contributions to science well before he died."
In other words, almost all the scientific breakthroughs and foundational theories, were met with intense resistance and even hostility. Which is not put in Rockefeller's textbooks that we all read in school. It was not accomplished, as a historical fact, by making the majority adopt the mainstream views of scientific religious consensus. It required the Old Guard to either die off or get replaced/thrown off the stage, by new upstarts like Ohms.
Hence the Lightning/Tower falling in 2020 and 2021. That is what is required to make the mainstream consensus rethink things. It is not conformity to the mainstream that will change the majority view. It is a shock. This is not a hard logic to consider. What you cannot prove to be true, you also cannot disprove to be true.
I don't need to read a wikipedia link on falsification. I was using this concept before wikipedia existed. Also, just so you know, WIKIPEDIA is not a consensus or even minority viewpoint, of what the majority of scientists do or believe. Nor does it even matter what the majority of scientists do or believe, because historically they have always been wrong. Approaches 100% as time goes on. WIKIPEDI is the POPular viewpoint usually.