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Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-27-2021
I found that according to Ra the average lifespan in fourth density is 90,000 years.
Quote:"Questioner: What is the… can you even state the average lifespan in the fourth density of space/time incarnation?
Ra: I am Ra. The space/time incarnation typical of harmonious fourth density is approximately 90,000 of your years as you measure time." - Law of One 43.11
However, it seems to me that Ra often uses the Law of Confusion and that the messages need to be interpreted. My interpretation is that death is only necessary up to third density. Why? Because in those lower densities there is the experience of separation. Without separation death would mean that it's still the same one reality so death becomes kind of unnecessary in higher densities.
Not only that. I also believe that we can move into fourth density without having to physically die first. Again, it's because all reality is one. So fourth density is simply about removing the veil of separation and making matter and energy vibrate on a higher frequency with more density of information on earth and in our physical bodies.
Also note that Ra uses space/time in the quote which I take as meaning our current misconceived notion of time as humans in third density and that the true measure of time is time/space. So one guess I have is that 90,000 years means the approximate time for fourth density to reach fifth density, without the need for any physical death of the body.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Steppingfeet - 04-27-2021
According to Ra, the fourth density can be up to approximately 30 million years long:
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Quote:43.13 Questioner: How long is a cycle of experience in fourth density in our years?
Ra: The cycle of experience is approximately 30 million of your years if the entities are not capable of being harvested sooner.
Interestingly, I just learned, that makes for a maximum of 333.3333 (infinitely) 90,000-year-long lifespans.
The death process would likely be indescribably different than what we experience on Earth, but as there is still a manifested space/time existence through which the 4D entity moves in a "physical" vehicle, then it seems reasonable to say that there must also be an entrance into and exit out of said space/time via what we call the incarnation. (One incarnates into a body complex in order to learn the lessons of that density.)
Space/time and the necessity of a body complex in space/time seem to exist at least up to fifth density:
Quote:[url=https://www.lawofone.info/s/43]43.22 Questioner: What is the purpose of ingesting food in fifth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat central point. The purpose of space/time is the increase in catalytic action appropriate to the density. One of the preconditions for space/time existence is some form of body complex. Such a body complex must be fueled in some way.
Regarding the likelihood or necessity of dying in the process of graduating from third to fourth density, there is some mystery surrounding such questions, but Ra did literally say that entities will and must die, the same way that they always do in third density: 63.13 - 63.14
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-27-2021
(04-27-2021, 11:05 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Regarding the likelihood or necessity of dying in the process of graduating from third to fourth density, there is some mystery surrounding such questions, but Ra did literally say that entities will and must die, the same way that they always do in third density: 63.13 - 63.14
Yes, I remember hearing something like that, but again I believe Ra uses the Law of Confusion, because for many people in third density the idea of no death would actually freak them out. The idea of endless time is really scary for us in third density.
And also, physical death can mean transformation of the "body of flesh" into a fourth density body, so Ra is then correct that body must die because the body of flesh "dies" by being transformed into a higher vibration.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-28-2021
And there is also this curious passage:
Quote:"This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible." - Law of One 65.12
Combining a small probability with infinite possibility makes it pretty much certain maybe. It reminds me of this quote from the Bible:
Quote:"I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
“Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." - 1 Corinthians 15:50-57
Even the Bible uses the Law of Confusion I believe. So raising the dead may simply mean transcending third density where we are sinful sinners born in sin and living in sin. And as the Bible quote says, the sting of death is sin. Whoa, wait a minute someone may say, we are not sinners! But sin simply means missing the mark, which to me means the belief in separation.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-28-2021
Transhumanists seek to reach immortality through technology such as biotech and nanotech. That's the wrong "timeline" if there is truth to the densities in the Law of One. Because transhumanism in the ordinary sense is still to be stuck in third density.
Instead I believe the Bible describes the correct timeline, where "a new heaven" means fourth density and as I mentioned in some other thread, it's a new heaven since fourth density is a new development on earth.
Quote:"Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. ... There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." - Revelation 21
The text "no longer any sea" I take as Law of Confusion language and that it means no more separation (sea separates land), not that the oceans will dry up or anything like that.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Steppingfeet - 04-28-2021
(04-27-2021, 11:05 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Regarding the likelihood or necessity of dying in the process of graduating from third to fourth density, there is some mystery surrounding such questions, but Ra did literally say that entities will and must die, the same way that they always do in third density: 63.13 - 63.14
(04-27-2021, 11:19 PM)Anders Wrote: Yes, I remember hearing something like that, but again I believe Ra uses the Law of Confusion, because for many people in third density the idea of no death would actually freak them out. The idea of endless time is really scary for us in third density.
We're conjecturing about things beyond the boundaries of certainty, so I'm open to the possibility of greater mystery here. However... I cannot recall any other example in the Law of One for Ra saying the opposite of the truth in order to avoid freaking people out.
I mean, they told Don, Carla, and Jim that, in every session, Carla was at risk of death, disability, or having her soul stolen away to negative time/space subsequent to which she would need to spend millions of years in an STS environment (read: being enslaved and enslaving others). No punches pulled there.
Not that Ra used dramatic language - they were reliably understated in their framing - but the situations they identify were sufficiently horrific. E.g.: they described how entire planetary civilizations in our solar system annihilated themselves through exploding their planet in one case and destroying their biosphere in another. (Sidenote: I read recently that science believes that Mars lost its magnetic field which caused it to lose its protection against the sun's rays, this then stripping the planet of its atmosphere and whatever biological life existed. I wonder if the destruction of their magnetic field through the deployment of advanced weaponry was the key to the destruction of their biosphere.)
There was one thing that Ra withheld in order to to not upset the sensibilities, but they said they were withholding said information, not speaking out loud its opposite.
Also, if anything freaks humans out, it is our ancient-most nemesis and shadow: death. We devote vast amounts of our resources - material and mental - in denying, suppressing, running from, and avoiding the reality of death. Even invoking metaphysics to find loopholes. It just seems illogical to me that "no death" would be so terrifying to us that Ra would fabricate or grossly obscure the truth.
I believe that their mission was to remove distortions.
(04-27-2021, 11:19 PM)Anders Wrote: And also, physical death can mean transformation of the "body of flesh" into a fourth density body, so Ra is then correct that body must die because the body of flesh "dies" by being transformed into a higher vibration.
Many, many things I don't know. This could be one of them. But I believe that, for those who have not penetrated the eighth level, which is 99.99% of us, death of the yellow-ray active body is the cessation of that body, full stop. No heart rate. No brainwaves. The processes of entropy and decay rapidly setting in. The possibility of reanimating or reversing the remaining shell (or corpse) somewhere south of zero. Dead.
If those bound for fourth density do get that sweet upgrade such that they transition into the denser vehicle without enduring physical death, I'll have a drink to that when it happens. However, I think that if one were a betting person, Vegas odds would say that they'd be safer to put their money on an outcome where, fourth-density bound or not, we all die through the old-fashioned conventional route.
And on the other side (time/space) we walk the steps of light and move through the normal sequence of review, healing, and planning. And when we're ready to take the next plunge, we incarnate into the most vibrationally appropriate environment and body complex.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-28-2021
(04-28-2021, 02:51 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Many, many things I don't know. This could be one of them. But I believe that, for those who have not penetrated the eighth level, which is 99.99% of us, death of the yellow-ray active body is the cessation of that body, full stop. No heart rate. No brainwaves. The processes of entropy and decay rapidly setting in. The possibility of reanimating or reversing the remaining shell (or corpse) somewhere south of zero. Dead.
Physicist Leonard Susskind said that entropy is simply hidden information. So it could be that entropy is a result of the third density veil. And that in higher densities more information becomes available. Also, in the new Wolfram Physics Project they explain entropy as similar to information encryption, not as randomness.
But yeah, I have no clue myself about death, haha. This means uncertainty about death. What is common today in third density is certainty about physical death, even many spiritual teachers seem to believe in inevitable death, except the more hardcore New Age guys who talk about crystalline bodies and things like that.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - jafar - 04-28-2021
Every layer of body / identity construct is a finite construct.
Those that have a beginning will have an end.
Thus the decay / disposing of body / identity construct is a necessity.
It seems that the identity construct of 4th density is designed to last longer than 3th density.
But it will also be discarded in the end.
Thus there is death if what we meant by death here is disposing / 'destruction' of physical identity construct.
Because there is death then there is birth as well, the new beginning, the new formation of new physical identity construct.
The main question is actually whether the 'veil of forgetting' will still be applied?
If it's not being applied, then death and birth here will be similar of changing an old iPhone to the new iPhone, an old Laptop to a new Laptop. And we can still retain the files and the data from the old device to the new device.
As such; why keep the old and failing device?
Who wouldn't want to upgrade to the latest device?
With the exception of very few "Retro Junkies".
PS: I'm wondering who among here still keep their 80's PC-XT?
) Because I still have that fully functional, but of course cannot be used for any practical purposes.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-28-2021
(04-28-2021, 03:08 AM)jafar Wrote: Because there is death then there is birth as well, the new beginning, the new formation of new physical identity construct.
Yes, Eckhart Tolle said that the opposite of death is birth, but he also said that life has no opposite. I suspect that birth and death are only necessary in first to third density. Because there is only one reality, without actual separations. So death as something separate is the illusion, not the true perspective.
The Law of Confusion is very important. And the first part of the Law of Confusion if I remember correctly is free will. Since reality is one wholeness, I believe individual free will is an illusion, hence the term 'confusion'. Ra must use Law of Confusion language to avoid revealing some information prematurely, and also to prevent misunderstandings. To tell us in third density that free will is an illusion could be very detrimental and make us feel like robots, because of our mechanical view of reality in third density.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-28-2021
What I find really fascinating is that Eckhart Tolle, who is very mainstream in most of his teachings wrote this:
Quote:"Since all worlds are interconnected, when collective human consciousness
becomes transformed, nature and the animal kingdom will reflect that transformation.
Hence the statement in the Bible that in the coming age "The lion shall lie down with
the lamb." This points to the possibility of a completely different order of reality.
The world as it appears to us now is, as I said, largely a reflection of the egoic mind.
Fear being an unavoidable consequence of egoic delusion, it is a world dominated by
fear. Just as the images in a dream are symbols of inner states and feelings, so our
collective reality is largely a symbolic expression of fear and of the heavy layers of
negativity that have accumulated in the collective human psyche. We are not separate
from our world, so when the majority of humans become free of egoic delusion, this
inner change will affect all of creation. You will literally inhabit a new world. It is a
shift in planetary consciousness. The strange Buddhist saying that every tree and
every blade of grass will eventually become enlightened points to the same truth." - The Power of Now, chapter 9
What Tolle means by "completely different order of reality" sounds like the higher densities in the Law of One.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - AnthroHeart - 04-28-2021
(04-27-2021, 11:05 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: According to Ra, the fourth density can be up to approximately 30 million years long:
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Quote:43.13 Questioner: How long is a cycle of experience in fourth density in our years?
Ra: The cycle of experience is approximately 30 million of your years if the entities are not capable of being harvested sooner.
Interestingly, I just learned, that makes for a maximum of 333.3333 (infinitely) 90,000-year-long lifespans.
The death process would likely be indescribably different than what we experience on Earth, but as there is still a manifested space/time existence through which the 4D entity moves in a "physical" vehicle, then it seems reasonable to say that there must also be an entrance into and exit out of said space/time via what we call the incarnation. (One incarnates into a body complex in order to learn the lessons of that density.)
Space/time and the necessity of a body complex in space/time seem to exist at least up to fifth density:
Quote:[url=https://www.lawofone.info/s/43]43.22 Questioner: What is the purpose of ingesting food in fifth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat central point. The purpose of space/time is the increase in catalytic action appropriate to the density. One of the preconditions for space/time existence is some form of body complex. Such a body complex must be fueled in some way.
Regarding the likelihood or necessity of dying in the process of graduating from third to fourth density, there is some mystery surrounding such questions, but Ra did literally say that entities will and must die, the same way that they always do in third density: 63.13 - 63.14
Time is definitely not the same in 4th density. In 3D you can be born your next life into the past, and even have multiple incarnations at the same time in different eras.
They are not in series.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Patrick - 04-28-2021
Quote:43.9 Questioner: In the next density, or the… in the fourth density, is the catalyst of physical pain used as a mechanism for experiential balancing?
Ra: I am Ra. The use of physical pain is minimal, having only to do with the end of the fourth-density incarnation. This physical pain would not be considered severe enough to treat, shall we say, in third density. The catalysts of mental and spiritual pain are used in fourth density.
I seem to remember reading that the reason you die in fourth density is mostly because you are becoming tired of that incarnation.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Sacred Fool - 04-28-2021
It seems to me that death is the necessary means of leaving space/time and entering time/space. In this density and others, the former offers more catalyst and opportunity to take steps of growth, whereas the latter offers more opportunity for reflection and acceptance and forgiveness.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - flofrog - 04-28-2021
It seems Sacred Fool is offering something wise and not foolish.
Sorry SF, that was hard to resist..
The funny thing is death is just a one second transition, probably not even one second.
France had in the late 1800's a wonderful humorist, Alphonse Allais, and he once said, " If I were you I wouldn't worry too much about death or you might die one day."
He also said " Coffee is a beverage that when you don't take it, makes you sleepy."
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Ymarsakar - 04-28-2021
If you forget each death and life then big problem. If you can preserve most of the memiry, then death has been conquer3d.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-28-2021
(04-28-2021, 09:11 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: If you forget each death and life then big problem. If you can preserve most of the memiry, then death has been conquer3d.
But also remember that fourth density means a social memory complex, and as Jim McCarty said, the awakening of the collective unconscious and access to the Akashic records. This means as I see it that we become one planetary superorganism! Bruce Lipton with his fractal evolution and Peter Russell with his global brain theory (from the 80s!) have described similar things. I think that the individual personal memory is important, but we will, each individual person in fourth density, get access to the entire memory of humanity and of earth.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Sacred Fool - 04-28-2021
(04-28-2021, 11:33 PM)Anders Wrote: But also remember that fourth density means a social memory complex, and as Jim McCarty said, the awakening of the collective unconscious and access to the Akashic records. This means as I see it that we become one planetary superorganism! Bruce Lipton with his fractal evolution and Peter Russell with his global brain theory (from the 80s!) have described similar things. I think that the individual personal memory is important, but we will, each individual person in fourth density, get access to the entire memory of humanity and of earth.
That may be so, and at the same time the individual continues on a path of personal spiritual evolution concurrent with the group evolution. For example, a being can leave a SMC at some point or join another at some other point in time. So, the need for the death experience to terminate lifetimes would seem to persist in higher densities.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-28-2021
(04-28-2021, 11:42 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:(04-28-2021, 11:33 PM)Anders Wrote: But also remember that fourth density means a social memory complex, and as Jim McCarty said, the awakening of the collective unconscious and access to the Akashic records. This means as I see it that we become one planetary superorganism! Bruce Lipton with his fractal evolution and Peter Russell with his global brain theory (from the 80s!) have described similar things. I think that the individual personal memory is important, but we will, each individual person in fourth density, get access to the entire memory of humanity and of earth.
That may be so, and at the same time the individual continues on a path of personal spiritual evolution concurrent with the group evolution. For example, a being can leave a SMC at some point or join another at some other point in time. So, the need for the death experience to terminate lifetimes would seem to persist in higher densities.
I see leaving the SMC in fourth density as meaning visiting another fourth density planet in our galaxy. And leaving the fifth density SMC (Milky Way) means visiting another galaxy and so on, in larger and larger logoi. And then there is no need to having to physically die first. That's my idea based on Bruce Lipton's fractal evolution.
Here is a short video where Bruce Lipton describes fractal evolution:
And here is Peter Russell's documentary The Global Brain:
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - jafar - 04-29-2021
Here's a good explanation about "Death".
And you can also taste 'death' when you sleep, just maintain a thought right before you fall sleep, as mentioned in the video.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Sacred Fool - 04-29-2021
(04-28-2021, 11:54 PM)Anders Wrote: And then there is no need to having to physically die first. That's my idea based on Bruce Lipton's fractal evolution.
Lipton's work is definitely cool, but dude, cells die. All cells die, be they a single cell affair or multicellular humanoid creatures. It's just part of how nature functions. There are no eternal cells. All that is created is eventually destroyed. Or am I wrong about that?
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - LeiwoUnion - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 01:52 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:(04-28-2021, 11:54 PM)Anders Wrote: And then there is no need to having to physically die first. That's my idea based on Bruce Lipton's fractal evolution.
Lipton's work is definitely cool, but dude, cells die. All cells die, be they a single cell affair or multicellular humanoid creatures. It's just part of how nature functions. There are no eternal cells. All that is created is eventually destroyed. Or am I wrong about that?
You are kind of wrong about that, as there are so called 'eternal cells', if only they get the nutrients (Light) they need to maintain themselves; there is this concept called 'cellular regeneration' which is an ability of (many) stem cells which can in a technical sense give them the potential of living forever (if it's maintained). You can even buy immortalized cell lines from online (at least as a researcher). Many cancer cells are also types of immortal cells. There are even species, animals, here that are capable of regeneration or true de-aging, so that it is impossible to know their true age.
'Spirit' side regeneration is a whole another matter, remember that it may only 'heal' properly (in lower densities) out of incarnation. So, for a perfectly balanced being death is indeed unnecessary, but for all others it is something that must be experienced every once in a while. This need becomes less and less as the difference between incarnation and out of incarnation diminishes.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 01:52 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:(04-28-2021, 11:54 PM)Anders Wrote: And then there is no need to having to physically die first. That's my idea based on Bruce Lipton's fractal evolution.
Lipton's work is definitely cool, but dude, cells die. All cells die, be they a single cell affair or multicellular humanoid creatures. It's just part of how nature functions. There are no eternal cells. All that is created is eventually destroyed. Or am I wrong about that?
I think of fourth density as an increase of information so that physical matter becomes more capable. I heard Jim McCarty talking about increased information density (and of light which may mean higher vibration). That's how I see it too. And my interpretation is that entropy/decay is then overcome by the more intelligent physical matter and energy in fourth density.
So biological evolution is then a limited process behind the veil that hides the higher densities. We take biological evolution for granted as the limitation in our world, but remember it's still only a first to third density process, although Gaia herself has already shifted into fourth density I heard.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Signifyz - 04-29-2021
(04-28-2021, 11:58 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:
It seems to me that death is the necessary means of leaving space/time and entering time/space. In this density and others, the former offers more catalyst and opportunity to take steps of growth, whereas the latter offers more opportunity for reflection and acceptance and forgiveness.
We are entering time/space every time we go to sleep and in some specific metaphysical practices, so I would say your statement is a bit incomplete. Phisical death is a gateway to disincarnated state which is necessary as a compliment to incarnated state which is unbalanced on its own and needs a dual couterpart.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Patrick - 04-29-2021
The concepts of unconsciousness and sleep are real mysteries to me. I never found an explanation that I fully resonate with.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Ymarsakar - 04-29-2021
(04-28-2021, 11:33 PM)Anders Wrote:(04-28-2021, 09:11 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: If you forget each death and life then big problem. If you can preserve most of the memiry, then death has been conquer3d.
But also remember that fourth density means a social memory complex, and as Jim McCarty said, the awakening of the collective unconscious and access to the Akashic records. This means as I see it that we become one planetary superorganism! Bruce Lipton with his fractal evolution and Peter Russell with his global brain theory (from the 80s!) have described similar things. I think that the individual personal memory is important, but we will, each individual person in fourth density, get access to the entire memory of humanity and of earth.
That just means a collective telepathic internet. Has the internet made people more mature or less?
Lemuria or telos has access to this soul memory too. And humans use regression or channelers. Has this info made people more divine? Not always. Rarely even. It will likely be more difficult than envisioned. Like reading the art of war. Does not make them into the warrior general author.
(04-29-2021, 01:52 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:(04-28-2021, 11:54 PM)Anders Wrote: And then there is no need to having to physically die first. That's my idea based on Bruce Lipton's fractal evolution.
Lipton's work is definitely cool, but dude, cells die. All cells die, be they a single cell affair or multicellular humanoid creatures. It's just part of how nature functions. There are no eternal cells. All that is created is eventually destroyed. Or am I wrong about that?
Eventually yes. Although energy is not destroyed, it is eventually harvested or recycled by the creator.
4th or 5 th density matter may sustain itself for thousands of years. But death still exists for 4.4
But not a total wipe.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - jafar - 04-29-2021
A very good explanation regarding the matter.
Realize that everything in any form is on the 'death' row.
From galaxy, stars, planet and anything inside of it.
Anything that you accept, from that you're free, anything that you don't accept, you become entangled with it.
Acceptance is a key step for creation otherwise any action not based on acceptance will be a reaction.
When you react to something or somebody you're enslaved to that something or somebody.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 07:11 AM)Patrick Wrote: The concepts of unconsciousness and sleep are real mysteries to me. I never found an explanation that I fully resonate with.
My explanation is that consciousness is a state of being aware as a self. So, contrary to other spiritual teachings, with my concept consciousness can be either on (waking state, dream) and off (deep dreamless sleep, unconsciousness).
The state of consciousness is connected to the infinite source and is aware of the finite manifestation of reality when enough information is integrated into an experience. The human soul is a unique, timeless and indestructible point and since the manifested reality evolves into higher complexity, consciousness remains. The human brain enters states of on and off of consciousness. There is also the possibility it seems to manifest consciousness outside the brain, such as in real out-of-body experiences (OBEs) where consciousness is activated when the vacuum energy in space is structured in a way that allows the activation of consciousness.
My idea is similar to the mainstream Integrated Information Theory:
Quote:"Integrated information theory (IIT) attempts to explain what consciousness is and why it might be associated with certain physical systems. Given any such system, the theory predicts whether that system is conscious, to what degree it is conscious, and what particular experience it is having (see Central identity).
... the most recent and complete statement of the axioms is as follows:
- Intrinsic existence: Consciousness exists: each experience is actual—indeed, that my experience here and now exists (it is real) is the only fact I can be sure of immediately and absolutely. Moreover, my experience exists from its own intrinsic perspective, independent of external observers (it is intrinsically real or actual).
- Composition: Consciousness is structured: each experience is composed of multiple phenomenological distinctions, elementary or higher-order. For example, within one experience I may distinguish a book, a blue color, a blue book, the left side, a blue book on the left, and so on.
- Information: Consciousness is specific: each experience is the particular way it is—being composed of a specific set of specific phenomenal distinctions—thereby differing from other possible experiences (differentiation). For example, an experience may include phenomenal distinctions specifying a large number of spatial locations, several positive concepts, such as a bedroom (as opposed to no bedroom), a bed (as opposed to no bed), a book (as opposed to no book), a blue color (as opposed to no blue), higher-order "bindings" of first-order distinctions, such as a blue book (as opposed to no blue book), as well as many negative concepts, such as no bird (as opposed to a bird), no bicycle (as opposed to a bicycle), no bush (as opposed to a bush), and so on. Similarly, an experience of pure darkness and silence is the particular way it is—it has the specific quality it has (no bedroom, no bed, no book, no blue, nor any other object, color, sound, thought, and so on). And being that way, it necessarily differs from a large number of alternative experiences I could have had but I am not actually having.
- Integration: Consciousness is unified: each experience is irreducible and cannot be subdivided into non-interdependent, disjoint subsets of phenomenal distinctions. Thus, I experience a whole visual scene, not the left side of the visual field independent of the right side (and vice versa). For example, the experience of seeing the word "BECAUSE" written in the middle of a blank page is not reducible to an experience of seeing "BE" on the left plus an experience of seeing "CAUSE" on the right. Similarly, seeing a blue book is not reducible to seeing a book without the color blue, plus the color blue without the book.
- Exclusion: Consciousness is definite, in content and spatio-temporal grain: each experience has the set of phenomenal distinctions it has, neither less (a subset) nor more (a superset), and it flows at the speed it flows, neither faster nor slower. For example, the experience I am having is of seeing a body on a bed in a bedroom, a bookcase with books, one of which is a blue book, but I am not having an experience with less content—say, one lacking the phenomenal distinction blue/not blue, or colored/not colored; or with more content—say, one endowed with the additional phenomenal distinction high/low blood pressure. Moreover, my experience flows at a particular speed—each experience encompassing say a hundred milliseconds or so—but I am not having an experience that encompasses just a few milliseconds or instead minutes or hours.
— Dr. Giulio Tononi, Integrated information theory, Scholarpedia[3]" - Wikipedia
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Anders - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 07:16 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: That just means a collective telepathic internet. Has the internet made people more mature or less?
The internet has lots of information and connects a huge number of people, but it's still third density with people in ego consciousness clashing with each other. A social memory complex as I see it is something entirely different. It's a collective consciousness, a superorganism, an evolutionary leap, a planetary consciousness. As I imagine it we become the entire human race (or at least a part of those who share the same SMC).
A small example of such collective field is a flock of starlings moving in formations. Try to achieve that with people in ego consciousness!
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - Ymarsakar - 04-29-2021
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=19139
Has some info on early 4th density vs late 4th or early 5th for hatonn.
RE: Is there a need for death in fourth density? - jafar - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 07:45 AM)Anders Wrote: The state of consciousness is connected to the infinite source and is aware of the finite manifestation of reality when enough information is integrated into an experience. The human soul is a unique, timeless and indestructible point and since the manifested reality evolves into higher complexity, consciousness remains.
Soul is an identity construct, it's not timeless and it is destructible and also 'merge-able'.
It's the consciousness which is timeless and indestructible.
Through construction of soul, the consciousness experience an identity or set of identities.
On Consciousness level, there is no my, yours, their consciousness.
There's only Consciousness, boundless, no border at all.
This is the state of 'unity'.
Within the construction of 'soul'.
There are many layers of identities, some define it as 7, some define it as 5.
I will not dwelve into it much as it purely depends on how one define the border between the layers.
In similitude this is like the Russian doll, matroshka doll.
https://www.macalester.edu/russian/wp-content/uploads/sites/49/2013/08/matryoshka646.jpg
Layer upon layer of body / identities.
A smaller matroshka doll can be put inside another bigger matroshka doll.
This is the metaphor for 'reincarnation'. A new physical body layer for an old soul.
Physical body is merely a layer of identity, upon death / dysfunctional of physical body, another layer of identity / soul still remain intact. Some people dubbed the 'remaining layer' as Astral Body.
The identity of something which commonly called as "Ghost" is actually the Astral Body layer.
Astral Body is not eternal either, it has it's own expiry date, although it might be longer compared to the expiry date of the physical body.
An avid Astral Projector named Rick describe his findings based on his own experience here.
In some type of dream, the astral body can temporarily left the body and experiencing 'different realms', some dubbed this 'the astral realm'. In such state, there is no difference between living human or dead human.
That's the reason why Sadhguru said "You're all a ghost inside a body".
And you can experience that now when you sleep, the way to do that is to focus your thought on something just before you fell asleep. If the focus is successfully maintained you will be in the state of "mind awake, body asleep". The consciousness has defocused itself from physical body and now focusing itself to the astral body, the astral identity, ready to experience the astral realms.
Try it..
Everyone is able to do that, and actually has experienced it many many many times.
And definitely will experience the same thing again when they experienced (yet another) physical death.
When you've experienced yourself, you will then understand that Death, just like Birth is a beautiful thing, not something to be feared or rejected. It's something that should be accepted.
As everything is on the death row..