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Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-02-2021 I have been looking into the possibility of moving into fourth density directly without having to reincarnate. I'm still unsure about that possibility but I found something else which is that it's possible to develop a social memory complex (collective consciousness) even in third density: Quote:"Questioner: Is it possible for a third-density planet to form a social memory complex which operates in third density? And this can potentially be a first step of a transition into fourth density. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Ymarsakar - 05-02-2021 Aka internet. If you want to graduate from 3rd to 4th, then you need 51% positive. Half of all present moments with compassion as love RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-02-2021 (05-02-2021, 08:01 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Aka internet. Yes, the internet is a useful tool in a development of a social memory complex (SMC). And fortunately earth has already moved into a positive fourth density. Our human civilization is still in third density but since Gaia herself is already in fourth density it indicates that we are at a later stage of third density where the development of a social memory complex becomes possible. And a positive SMC is easier to develop than a negate service to self one. Ra says that 3D SMCs are rare but they are aware of positive 3D SMCs: Quote:"Questioner: Could you give me an example of a planet of this nature, both a third-density service-to-others type and a third-density self-service type at this level of, of attainment conditions? RE: Developing a social memory complex - Ymarsakar - 05-02-2021 "Our human civilization is still in third density but since Gaia herself is already in fourth density it indicates that we are at a later stage of third density where the development of a social memory complex becomes possible." For different densities mixing together, I use the decimal system. So 4.3.3 would be something like 4th density plane of existence, 3rd density planetary consciousness, 3rd density national consciousness. ANd on down it goes. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-02-2021 (05-02-2021, 09:37 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: For different densities mixing together, I use the decimal system. So 4.3.3 would be something like 4th density plane of existence, 3rd density planetary consciousness, 3rd density national consciousness. ANd on down it goes. There are many Wanderers on earth and most of them from 6th density. So they are with your decimal system 4.3.3.6! When using nations as the smallest collectives. This means that many people on earth already have a large potential for developing a social memory complex. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Ymarsakar - 05-03-2021 (05-02-2021, 09:59 PM)Anders Wrote:(05-02-2021, 09:37 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: For different densities mixing together, I use the decimal system. So 4.3.3 would be something like 4th density plane of existence, 3rd density planetary consciousness, 3rd density national consciousness. ANd on down it goes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlSjbk8R64 An example is this retreat in Costa Rica, of a developing social memory complex. This would be a .5 social memory complex, rather than just a .4 or .3 A .3 sub density smc might be alcoholics anonymous. And a .4 SMC would be something like a family, blood relations. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Doomchief - 05-03-2021 Quote:14.32 Questioner: Where did the information come from that Edgar Cayce channeled?The social memory complex is here, present in the time/space. As I understand, the goal for "activation" of this complex in space/time is in serving and polarising more, for more entities to reach the Intelligent Infinity. Quote:8.2 Questioner: There was a portion of the material yesterday which I will read where you say “there is a certain amount of landing taking place. Some of these landings are of your peoples; some are of the entities known to you as the group of Orion.” My first question is what did you mean by the landings are of your peoples? RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 06:36 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote:(05-02-2021, 09:59 PM)Anders Wrote:(05-02-2021, 09:37 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: For different densities mixing together, I use the decimal system. So 4.3.3 would be something like 4th density plane of existence, 3rd density planetary consciousness, 3rd density national consciousness. ANd on down it goes. No, I would say that a family is usually just an ego constellation, I would say .3 at most, haha. As Jesus said (paraphrasing): If you only love your loved ones, what more are you doing than tax collectors? As for the video, yes maybe 0.5, I have no clue except I noticed the circular formation. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Ymarsakar - 05-03-2021 "No, I would say that a family is usually just an ego constellation, I would say .3 at most, haha. " Are you using your own family as a baseline? Because each family is its own thing. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 07:58 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "No, I would say that a family is usually just an ego constellation, I would say .3 at most, haha. " Consider, if you will, the family unit within the animal kingdom. That's second density. How much more unity does a human family unit have? Often even less! That's why Jesus came with a sword to break up the family unit because if we get stuck there we will hardly even maintain third density. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Ymarsakar - 05-03-2021 "That's second density. How much more unity does a human family unit have?" The individual animal consciousness is at 2rd density, but the collective animal soul is not, it is higher. Consider Dolphins and whales. Each animal collective spirit is different. "How much more unity does a human family unit have? Often even less!" And often even more. What is your baseline? "That's why Jesus came with a sword to break up the family unit because if we get stuck there we will hardly even maintain third density." That was what the mortal had to do at the time he was incarnated in, do not confuse that with some type of edict for all times and individuals. John, look upon your mother, and Mary, look upon your son. Does that sound like what your personal interpretation of what he came here to do, is about? Because those are Yeshua's words on the stake. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 08:39 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "That's why Jesus came with a sword to break up the family unit because if we get stuck there we will hardly even maintain third density." Honor your mother and your father, I think Jesus said that. True, but also honor everybody. God sends His rain on the wicked and the saints alike, something like that. And Jesus taught timeless messages. I actually like hardcore Christians because I resonate more with them than the lukewarm Christians. However defending family values, which is something done even today, is not what Jesus was talking about. Quote:"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn RE: Developing a social memory complex - Ymarsakar - 05-03-2021 "However defending family values, which is something done even today, is not what Jesus was talking about." What we are talking about is a density social memory complex. What is the basis for your rejection of the family as an SMC in 3rd density civilization work? "Matthew 10:34-36" Matthew is a human, and likely an autistic one at that. What does his words, even assuming they are accurate after being edited so many times by other humans, apply to 3rd density SMCs? RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 09:06 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: What is the basis for your rejection of the family as an SMC in 3rd density civilization work? If a family is by default a SMC so is a sports team. So is a nation. Those are not SMCs, they are collective egos, huge difference. Unless you mean service to self SMC, but earth is moving into a service to others SMC. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Patrick - 05-03-2021 Social Complexes and not Social Memory Complexes. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Spaced - 05-03-2021 My understanding is that a social memory complex is formed when the social complex becomes united in their seeking of the creator which allows them to access social memory (i.e. the Akashic records) through the roots of the mind, which contains the memories of each member freely shared with an open heart. Social dynamics become more harmonious as all members of the societal complex understand where each other is coming from and what they bring to the group. Quote:11.17 Questioner: At what stage does a planet achieve social memory? RE: Developing a social memory complex - Ymarsakar - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 09:15 AM)Anders Wrote:(05-03-2021, 09:06 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: What is the basis for your rejection of the family as an SMC in 3rd density civilization work? Again, we go back to my first question. Are you using your family as a baseline and why does this apply to every other family in existence? The key word is memory. A sports team or a nation, will disappear once the memory of it ceases, which is not that difficult with linear time. Just wait. What is it that binds a family together? And what is the Blood of Christ? RE: Developing a social memory complex - Minyatur - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 07:42 AM)Anders Wrote: No, I would say that a family is usually just an ego constellation, I would say .3 at most, haha. As Jesus said (paraphrasing): If you only love your loved ones, what more are you doing than tax collectors? As for the video, yes maybe 0.5, I have no clue except I noticed the circular formation. Reminded me of this quote: Quote:19.15 Questioner: Then the newest third-density beings who’ve just made the transition from second are still strongly biased towards self-service. There must be many other mechanisms to create an awareness of the possibility of service to others. RE: Developing a social memory complex - breakingties - 05-03-2021 You can reach any density while still in this body at this time. It is possible to develop even a 6th density collective counsciousness. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 11:30 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote:(05-03-2021, 09:15 AM)Anders Wrote:(05-03-2021, 09:06 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: What is the basis for your rejection of the family as an SMC in 3rd density civilization work? You mean that there can be smaller STO SMCs already on earth. Yes, that's possible. Not only families, but even some spiritual communities, and even whole "underground" societies. What I mean is developing a global STO SMC! And it can start small and even use some of the already existing SMCs, if there are any, as a foundation. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Spaced - 05-03-2021 In the llresearch channelings there is one channeled entity that appears to be a small SMC that originated here on Earth which calls itself Yadda. When Carla asked another entity (Latwii) about Yadda they provided this info. http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1985/1985_0113.aspx Quote:Carla: I have a question that someone who was reading Light/Lines sent in and which I couldn’t answer, and so I thought it might be interesting to ask it. I understand that most of the contacts that we receive are from the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator. Is Yadda, who we’ve heard from a couple of times recently, a member of the Confederation, and why does he speak with an accent? Did he have a—did someone from that social memory complex, if it is a social memory complex, choose to incarnate as an Oriental? The Yadda channelings are pretty interesting, they have a playful energy in the early channelings and joke about Carla's insistence on challenging them in the name of Christ ("why not the Buddha?" they say in one session and "at least I don't have to believe in Santa Claus" in another). Carla mentioned that she preferred not to channel them regularly as she preferred the "highest and best" source and Yadda were likely early 4th density. Also they spoke with a Chinese accent which she found difficult. Also of note, llresearch are not the only group to have channeled Yadda, they were channeled by Mark Probert and the Inner Circle in the 1950s. It makes me wonder, once the Earth goes through a planetary harvest would they become part of the planetary SMC or remain their own entity? RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-03-2021 The main difference between a STO SMC and ordinary collectives is as I understand Ra the green ray activation. Quote:"Questioner: I just meant was it possible, say, for a green-ray… when we’re talking about green-ray activation and energy transfers, is it possible for a green-ray person who is primarily green-ray activation to vary on both sides of green ray a large or a small amount in energy activation, or does he stay primarily green-ray? That might seem like a small difference but it's huge! Without green ray activation it would be like a colony of bacteria trying to form a multicellular organism. They can't do it. At most they will form a biofilm. For human collectives it means that no matter how spiritual a community is, without green ray activation it will still just be a bunch of egos clashing with each other such as at the hint of a financial problem. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-03-2021 Probably some Wanderers on earth already have the capacity to form STO-SMCs but let's say for the sake of argument that nobody on earth has that capability yet. In such worst-case scenario let's assume that there are lots of advanced ETs in our galaxy. Then why can't they help us to develop a global SMC? Ra is an example of such help, but it's in conceptual form. Why can't higher beings help us more directly? My explanation is that, to use the bacteria analogy again, we third density beings are like bacteria compared to the higher density beings who are like the cells of a multicellular organism. And just as bacteria can't form a multicellular organism, third density beings can't form STO-SMCs until our green ray is activated. In some cases maybe direct help from higher beings happen, and it's just that it goes on under the public radar so to speak. But the good thing is that all is one, so green ray activation can happen within ourselves without the need for external guides. Another reason I believe is that our current civilization needs to be harvested, meaning the wheat saved and the chaff discarded, so too much interference by higher beings would interfere with that harvest and change our public society too much, too fast. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-03-2021 Many people maybe claim that they have an open heart and the green ray activated, so why are they still in ego consciousness and separate? My interpretation is that it's nowhere near actual green-ray activation. I have to be honest here, and assume that those claims are just a mental beliefs with the heart still being closed. I read in a medical article that we humans can't feel pain in the heart. Instead what we feel is so-called referred pain. So even on a biological and neurological level our heart is disconnected. And I even have a suspicion that if we connect with our heart before being spiritually developed enough it would cause a flood of massive pain! RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-04-2021 The difference between Ra and me is like the difference between myself and a single cell in my body. That's how I see it and why Ra talked about narrow-band communication. As an illustration if I play a video game and get excited it results in a muscle cell in my body to receive stress hormones. And then the cell asks me what was the cause of the stress hormones. If I tell the cell that I was playing a video game, the cell doesn't understand that, it can only understand chemicals such as peptides. What I can do is to tell the cell that I'm a whole social construct of cells, trillions of cells. And the cell may reply that it too is a part of a social construct (a muscle fiber) and asks if that's the same thing. I reply that no, I as a human being am more integrated than a community of single cells. And then the cell describes how there sometimes can be stains in its community (the muscle fiber) and asks that if they could make the cells work more harmoniously together if that would be the same as my community of cells. And so on. It will be a very narrow-band communication between myself and the single cell. Similarly, when Ra communicates as a social memory complex with us humans in third density the situation is similar to me trying to interact with a single cell in my body. So it's a vast difference in scale between perspectives. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-04-2021 Service-to-others (STO) social memory complexes seem to be like horachies made of holons. A holon is a whole that at the same time is a part. On the other hand service-to-self (STS) social memory complexes are like what Ken Wilber calls dominator hierarchies. In the STO case the green ray is activated. And in a STS SMC the green ray is missing! Quote:Questioner: Then the service-to-others path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better? And I think it also explains the 51% and 95% divide between STO vs STS harvest. In a holarchy the individuals are holons supporting the whole and the whole supporting the individuals, hence 50/50. In a dominator hierachy the individuals support the whole through pressure and can only be held together with nasty oppression and rule over others, so it requires 95% service to self. Quote:Questioner: We chose the values of— or you were given the values of better than 50% service to others for fourth-density positive and better than 95% service to self for fourth-density negative social memory complexes. Do these two values correspond to the same rate, shall I say, of vibration? The green ray is even actively denied in STS harvest: "The fourth-density negative entity has made the choice available to each at third-density harvest. It is aware of the full array of possible methods of viewing the universe of the One Creator and it is convinced that the ignoring and non-use of the green-ray energy center will be the method most efficient in providing harvestability of fourth density." - Law of One 87.11 RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-04-2021 In a STO harvest can a person be a saint 51% and a nasty murderer 49% of the time and still make the transition? No, of course not I think. Take the idea of a holarchy again. The individuals serve the whole and the whole serves the individuals. And here it becomes a bit tricky, since serving the whole is an incredibly complicated task. So the service needs to of a kind that actually works in harmony with the whole. Easier said than done. And that's why green-ray activation is needed because that causes heart chakra coherence between the individuals with holistic connection that automatically is in harmony with the whole. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-04-2021 Another issue with service is that self-sacrifice can easily become a win-lose situation. A STO SMC is win-win, so service where the individual loses actually destroys the SMC. And even service done where there is pleasure and gratitude, it can easily become misguided. For example a healer can heal somebody and it results in a bigger disaster. So it's extremely difficult as a separate individual to actually know which service is good from the bigger picture. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-04-2021 Here is an example of service in the Bible: Quote:"But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." - Matthew 6:3-4 At first that passage might seem puzzling, or being about not bragging, but I believe it's really simple! In third density we don't know whether to give or not to give is the best action in a particular situation. Serving the whole is much more difficult than serving according to beliefs. Not giving in a situation can be bad and giving in a situation can also be bad. It depends on a huge number of factors with future overall consequences hard to predict. And "giving in secret" I take as meaning that we ourselves don't know the situation until the giving or not giving takes place, and then infinite intelligence (called God in the Bible) takes care of making sure it serves the whole. RE: Developing a social memory complex - Anders - 05-04-2021 Oh! I just got an insight. "Serving God" doesn't mean following some rigid rules. That's just the surface third density interpretation. Serving God means like in my previous post accessing infinite intelligence instead of serving according to beliefs. Money is the main tool in our third density society. Serving money means serving according to personal beliefs and social rules. That misses the access to infinite intelligence. Quote:"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." - Matthew 6:24 |