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The manifestation of time - Loki - 07-08-2021

I want to apologize in advance for potentially wasting your time by reading the following.

It seems to me that the Creator and its Creation cannot be explained without a consciousness form of absolute time which is ignited when the Infinity becomes aware.

The emergence of Intelligent Infinity results in ignition of consciousness absolute time and the activation of free will. Intention or thinking are a sequential conscious manifestations which are constrained by a certain order in the sequence. Any change of order in the sequence would result in a change of the outcome. But the sequential nature of thinking implies that even during the a-temporal phase of creation there is a form of temporal manifestation at consciousness level.

Channelling knowledge tells us there are two forms of evolution a temporal phase when the space/time time/space are active and an a-temporal phase in the very beginning and towards the end of creation.

Judging from the material it seems that space/time and time/space are not really two sides of the same coin but there is rather a hierarchical relation between the two. Space/time is what in fact creates the temporal portion of creation and can be associated with Matter but time/space is technically the a-temporal phase of creation and is associated with Love/Light. As result between incarnations we move from the temporal to the a-temporal plane. But in the a-temporal phase of the creation there is still a consciousness time passing when decisions are made.

This has some implications. There is only a unique present moment from consciousness time point of view. While the Creator can individualize itself up to entity level all parts of the Creator will be in the same present moment of the consciousness time. This makes true simultaneity impossible at consciousness time level and at creation level.

Moving up from space/time (temporal) to time/space (a-temporal) we can review all the past present moments and all the future present moments. This is the simultaneity we are allowed to see but this does not mean we can ever turn-back and take a different path from an intersection and it is not a true simultaneity. Between incarnations when we review the snapshots of past presents or of future presents we will still look at them as at a real present but they are not. From creation point of view the only difference and the most important between a real present and a past or future present is the fact that the real present is associated with the consciousness time present while all the other presents are not.

While this consciousness time might be hard to digest it helps clarifying the Higher Self. If we include the consciousness absolute time the difference between higher self and self becomes just a matter of vantage point.

We entities are strings of individualized consciousness with one end anchored in Creator and unity through the spirit, and the other end anchored in Creation and individuality though the body.
Between the Creation and Creator both consciousness and matter (intelligent light) ascend on the conscious dimension. Higher Self is a matter of vantage point somewhere between Creator and Creation.
A vantage point from where all the past and future moments up to sixth density can be seen at all time. When the self opens the time/space door moves up from space/time closer to Creator and can pick at past and future.

The higher self of a social memory complex appears when multiple conscious strings (entities) unify their conscience while in creation. The multiple conscious strings with their ends unified in Creation and in Creator become a single string of consciousness.


RE: The manifestation of time - tadeus - 07-09-2021

I would say yes and no.

Yes, because thinking is generally a sequential process when you are forming words.
But there is additional a form of thinking that consciousness and decisions are formed in parallel "processes".
The result is manifested in feelings and has been defined by Anastasia as elemental thoughts, that can keep many informations without words.
From this point of view many things are happening at the same time.
So it is not only the order in the sequence of thinking and more the emphasis of consciousness and thoughts.

No. because time is never absolute - it is depending on many physical aspects and is only part of the illusion.
It seems that the review of all the past present moments in time/space (a-temporal) will be only for a period of time after the incarnation.
Afterwards only the main aspects are kept as experience for the higher self.
The main details seems to be "stored" in the Akasha cronicle. This must be the memory of the one creator we are part of.
This memory is filled in parallel too by all is happening from the beings part of the one creator.

(07-08-2021, 02:56 PM)Loki Wrote: The higher self of a social memory complex appears when multiple conscious strings (entities) unify their conscience while in creation. The multiple conscious strings with their ends unified in Creation and in Creator become a single string of consciousness.

So your conclusion is correct, but maybe we have a different understanding of the details.
I would prefer to express it as mind, experience and free will and not only as consciousness.

Time is manifesting only as a progression of experience.

Ra Wrote:16.21 Questioner: Can you give me some kind of history of your social memory complex and how you became aware of the Law of One?

Ra: I am Ra. The path of our learning is graven in the present moment. There is no history, as we understand your concept. Picture, if you will, a circle of being. We know the alpha and omega as infinite intelligence. The circle never ceases. It is present. The densities we have traversed at various points in the circle correspond to the characteristics of cycles: first, the cycle of awareness; second, the cycle of growth; third, the cycle of self-awareness; fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; fifth, the cycle of light or wisdom; sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light, or unity; seventh, the gateway cycle; eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb.

16.22 Questioner: Thank you very much. In previous material, before we communicated with you, it was stated by the Confederation that there is actually no past or future… all is present. Would this be a good analogy?

Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.



RE: The manifestation of time - Loki - 07-09-2021

Sorry for ambiguity but indeed unifying conscience means multiple mind/body/spirit complexes unifying their conscious mind in seeking, under free will, while incarnated.
I do not want to deny the existing material I just want to extend a bit the understanding beyond the given material.


RE: The manifestation of time - Patrick - 07-09-2021

In all densities, that mystery remains unbroken. Smile

Yet it's always fun to think about those things, even if we don't have a prayer of really getting it from our currently much distorted view while being in 3d space/time.

The way I see it is that within Infinity all the possibilities exists, including the possibility of such a thing as consciousness. So it is basically automatic and has always existed without a beginning.

What feels like time or feels like a sequence is the process of Infinity of knowing itself. It feels like it "started" but it has always been ongoing. But it is just the process itself that creates this feeling.

So we could say that this feeling has also always existed. Which means Infinity never experienced itself without that feeling.


RE: The manifestation of time - Dtris - 07-09-2021

(07-08-2021, 02:56 PM)Loki Wrote: I want to apologize in advance for potentially wasting your time by reading the following.

It seems to me that the Creator and its Creation cannot be explained without a consciousness form of absolute time which is ignited when the Infinity becomes aware.

The emergence of Intelligent Infinity results in ignition of consciousness absolute time and the activation of free will. Intention or thinking are a sequential conscious manifestations which are constrained by a certain order in the sequence. Any change of order in the sequence would result in a change of the outcome. But the sequential nature of thinking implies that even during the a-temporal phase of creation there is a form of temporal manifestation at consciousness level.  

Channelling knowledge tells us there are two forms of evolution a temporal phase when the space/time time/space are active and an a-temporal phase in the very beginning and towards the end of creation.

Judging from the material it seems that space/time and time/space are not really two sides of the same coin but there is rather a hierarchical relation between the two. Space/time is what in fact creates the temporal portion of creation and can be associated with Matter but time/space is technically the a-temporal phase of creation and is associated with Love/Light. As result between incarnations we move from the temporal to the a-temporal plane. But in the a-temporal phase of the creation there is still a consciousness time passing when decisions are made.    

This has some implications. There is only a unique present moment from consciousness time point of view. While the Creator can individualize itself up to entity level all parts of the Creator will be in the same present moment of the consciousness time. This makes true simultaneity impossible at consciousness time level and at creation level.

Moving up from space/time (temporal) to time/space (a-temporal) we can review all the past present moments and all the future present moments. This is the simultaneity we are allowed to see but this does not mean we can ever turn-back and take a different path from an intersection and it is not a true simultaneity. Between incarnations when we review the snapshots of past presents or of future presents we will still look at them as at a real present but they are not. From creation point of view the only difference and the most important between a real present and a past or future present is the fact that the real present is associated with the consciousness time present while all the other presents are not.

While this consciousness time might be hard to digest it helps clarifying the Higher Self. If we include the consciousness absolute time the difference between higher self and self becomes just a matter of vantage point.

We entities are strings of individualized consciousness with one end anchored in Creator and unity through the spirit, and the other end anchored in Creation and individuality though the body.
Between the Creation and Creator both consciousness and matter (intelligent light) ascend on the conscious dimension. Higher Self is a matter of vantage point somewhere between Creator and Creation.
A vantage point from where all the past and future moments up to sixth density can be seen at all time. When the self opens the time/space door moves up from space/time closer to Creator and can pick at past and future.

The higher self of a social memory complex appears when multiple conscious strings (entities) unify their conscience while in creation. The multiple conscious strings with their ends unified in Creation and in Creator become a single string of consciousness.

The primary issue with this metaphysical concept, is that it is limited by the human experience. It is impossible for us to experience or imagine a way in which true simultaneity is possible, or where time as we know it doesn't exist.

Time/space is the literal inverse of space/time as understood in the Recipricol Systems of Dewey Larson. In time space, space becomes one dimensional, while time become three dimensional. This is why dream "space" is so different.

While you assume that space/time creates what we call normal time and is necessary in a material world, that also presupposes that the only incarnational world is one of physical matter. According to the Seth material there are other realities that we cannot observe, that do not follow the same rules.

You have also made an assumption that in time/space that consciousness can only be experienced sequentially. Dreams occur in time/space, we can have persistent repetitive dreams, where we go from one set of consciousness back into the same set, without being aware in the dream that this occurred. This also happens with recurrent dreams from different dream sessions.

Modern sci fi has instilled this idea that time cannot be changed. It is stated explicitly by Ra that True Simultaneity is possible.

Law of One Wrote:70.11 Questioner: Would an analogy for this situation be that the individual’s higher self is manipulating to some extent, shall I say, the mind/body/spirit complex that is its analog, you might say, to move it through the lower densities for purposes of gaining experience and then finally transferring that experience or amalgamating it, you might say, in mid-sixth density with the higher self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self does not manipulate its past selves. It protects when possible and guides when asked, but the force of free will is paramount. The seeming contradictions of determinism and free will melt when it is accepted that there is such a thing as true simultaneity. The Higher Self is the end result of all the development experienced by the mind/body/spirit complex to that point.

If your concept of consciousness time was true, then there would be no free will as is the common argument against either free will in a universe with an omniscient creator. More specifically you would have to decide whether free will exists, or whether the higher self exists. Sequential consciousness time would necessitate that there would be no difference between the looking back between lives and the higher self overseeing lives.

The only way the existence of the higher self can be understood to be able to intervene and help in any meaningful way is if time is not an inescapable river. What you propose is that time exists as we understand it at all levels of consciousness, but you only move what is experiencing time to consciousness and allow for other apparent temporal manipulation.

One thing I have often thought about is the nature of light and time. We know light has mass. We also know that as an object with mass approaches the speed of light time slows, until at the speed of light time is still. So time stops or does not exist at light speed. Light, can only travel at light speed and this rule doesn't change even though the measurable speed of light does change when going thru different media. From the perspective of a photon, it is everywhere it will ever be, in a single unbroken moment. There could literally be only a single photon creating the entire physical universe, and we would not be able to tell from our vantage point.


RE: The manifestation of time - tadeus - 07-10-2021

(07-09-2021, 07:13 AM)Loki Wrote: Sorry for ambiguity but indeed unifying conscience means multiple mind/body/spirit complexes unifying their conscious mind in seeking, under free will, while incarnated.
I do not want to deny the existing material I just want to extend a bit the understanding beyond the given material.

You have not to be sorry about another view on such things. It's interesting to discuss it.
The Ra material mostly gives only the rough basic statements about it.

I think the sequential nature of thinking is helpful for a human being to learn to use the brain.
This is one of the tasks of the third density.


RE: The manifestation of time - Infinite - 07-10-2021

It seems to me that the process in which those primordial distortions of infinity takes place in a state of eternity. Time only comes into existence after a certain point in the creation of densities:

Quote:29.11 QUESTIONER Thank you. Yesterday you stated that planets in first density are in a timeless state to begin with. Can you tell me how the effect we appreciate as time comes into being?

RA I am Ra. We have just described to you the state of beingness of each Logos. The process by which space/time comes into continuum form is a function of the careful building, shall we say, of an entire, or whole, plan of vibratory rates, densities, and potentials. When this plan has coalesced in the thought complexes of Love, then the physical manifestations begin to appear; this first manifestation stage being awareness or consciousness.

At the point at which this coalescence is at the livingness or beingness point—the point, or fountainhead, of beginning—space/time then begins to unroll its scroll of livingness.

This is difficult to visualize, but it's probably part of paradoxes that the rational third-density mind cannot understand.


RE: The manifestation of time - flofrog - 07-10-2021

I think tadeus' image of a circle is an excellent one, to get to an idea of constant present. As usual, our words 3D do not ease the process of how to state things.


RE: The manifestation of time - Loki - 07-12-2021

If your concept of consciousness time was true, then there would be no free will as is the common argument against either free will in a universe with an omniscient creator. More specifically you would have to decide whether free will exists, or whether the higher self exists. Sequential consciousness time would necessitate that there would be no difference between the looking back between lives and the higher self overseeing lives.

From my point of view the presence of absolute consciousness time does not exclude free will because while the past present moments certainly happened the future present moments are only potential until they happen. Only one of the multiple possible future presents associated to a certain moment in time will become reality the other ones, while possible, will never happen. Same is truth for the past presents, there is the line of past presents we followed using our free will but there were millions of other possible paths at every past moments and we never took. From all the many possibilities our free will will only chose one in each present moment while all the other will fall from potential to never-happened. Complex totality is made in the beginning of our evolution only from possibilities/probabilities. As we progress on our destiny some of the possibilities are replaced by certainties because of our decisions under the rule of free will. Just before returning to the Creator in seventh density our complex totality will be almost all certainties and very few uncertainties/possibilities left.

The absolute consciousness present is the present all the channelling sources talk about as being the only real thing in creation. And the golden present moment of conscious time splits creation in certainty/past and possibility/future. That golden present of absolute consciousness time is where free will operate.

Just because we can look at any path in the past or any possibility in the future and they look very real does not mean they will ever happen.
Alternative paths from the past which we never took will not be recorded in our complex totality, but they were part of it (as possibilities) at one moment when that past was still future. The only path recorded by our complex totality from myriad of possible paths is the one our free will choose. All the others will disappear from the Complex totality even though at one point were recorded as possible.


RE: The manifestation of time - tadeus - 07-12-2021

(07-12-2021, 06:49 AM)Loki Wrote: If your concept of consciousness time was true, then there would be no free will as is the common argument against either free will in a universe with an omniscient creator. More specifically you would have to decide whether free will exists, or whether the higher self exists. Sequential consciousness time would necessitate that there would be no difference between the looking back between lives and the higher self overseeing lives.

It's my free will to have consciousness about the time and the flow of time itself and it works.

And of course it is my free will to have a free will!  Cool


RE: The manifestation of time - Dtris - 07-12-2021

(07-12-2021, 06:49 AM)Loki Wrote: If your concept of consciousness time was true, then there would be no free will as is the common argument against either free will in a universe with an omniscient creator. More specifically you would have to decide whether free will exists, or whether the higher self exists. Sequential consciousness time would necessitate that there would be no difference between the looking back between lives and the higher self overseeing lives.

From my point of view the presence of absolute consciousness time does not exclude free will because while the past present moments certainly happened the future present moments are only potential until they happen. Only one of the multiple possible future presents associated to a certain moment in time will become reality the other ones, while possible, will never happen. Same is truth for the past presents, there is the line of past presents we followed using our free will but there were millions of other possible paths at every past moments and we never took. From all the many possibilities our free will will only chose one in each present moment while all the other will fall from potential to never-happened. Complex totality is made in the beginning of our evolution only from possibilities/probabilities. As we progress on our destiny some of the possibilities are replaced by certainties because of our decisions under the rule of free will. Just before returning to the Creator in seventh density our complex totality will be almost all certainties and very few uncertainties/possibilities left.

The absolute consciousness present is the present all the channelling sources talk about as being the only real thing in creation. And the golden present moment of conscious time splits creation in certainty/past and possibility/future. That golden present of absolute consciousness time is where free will operate.

Just because we can look at any path in the past or any possibility in the future and they look very real does not mean they will ever happen.
Alternative paths from the past which we never took will not be recorded in our complex totality, but they were part of it (as possibilities) at one moment when that past was still future. The only path recorded by our complex totality from myriad of possible paths is the one our free will choose. All the others will disappear from the Complex totality even though at one point were recorded as possible.

While I cannot claim to now or understand how time works, what is a common connection between multiple high quality channeled sources is that Time as we experience it is considered an illusion from the higher perspective. While these sources also speak of a eternal present, the experience of this eternal present is not apparently limited to linear time, or even a single timeline.
Law of One Wrote:16.51 Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it to give us a little greater idea of the concept of this term when used by you?

Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely.

16.52 Questioner: I notice that the time we have used has gone slightly over an hour. I would prefer to continue but I want to ask at this time as to the condition of the instrument.

Ra: I am Ra. This instrument is in balance. It is well to continue if you desire.

16.53 Questioner: All right. Continuing with what we were just talking about, namely densities: I understand then that each density has seven sub-densities which again have seven sub-densities which again have seven sub-densities. This expands at an extremely large rate as things are increased in powers of seven. Does this mean that in any density level anything that you can think of is happening? And many things that you never thought of are happening… are there… everything is happening… this is confusing…

Ra: I am Ra. From your confusion we select the concept with which you struggle, that being infinite opportunity. You may consider any possibility/probability complex as having an existence.

16.54 Questioner: Does what we do, when we think of possibilities that can occur, say daydreaming: Do these become real in these densities?

Ra: I am Ra. This depends upon the nature of the daydream. This is a large subject. Perhaps the simplest thing we can say is, if the daydream, as you call it, is one which attracts to self, this then becomes reality to self. If it is contemplative general daydream, this may enter the infinity of possibility/probability complexes and occur elsewhere, having no particular attachment to the energy fields of the creator.

16.55 Questioner: To make this a little more clear, if I were to daydream strongly about building a ship, would this occur in one of these other densities?

Ra: I am Ra. This would, would have, or shall occur.

16.56 Questioner: And then if, say, an entity daydreams strongly about battling, let us say, another entity, would this occur?

Ra: I am Ra. In this case the entity’s fantasy concerns the self and other-self; this binds the thought-form to the possibility/probability complex connected with the self which is the creator of this thought-form. This then would increase the possibility/probability of bringing this into third-density occurrence.



RE: The manifestation of time - tadeus - 07-15-2021

(07-12-2021, 06:49 AM)Loki Wrote: If your concept of consciousness time was true, then there would be no free will as is the common argument against either free will in a universe with an omniscient creator. More specifically you would have to decide whether free will exists, or whether the higher self exists. Sequential consciousness time would necessitate that there would be no difference between the looking back between lives and the higher self overseeing lives.

https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2021/2021_0219.aspx Wrote:Q'uo:
What is the right use of will? My friends, this is a question which will be with you for a long time to come, well beyond your present lifetime and, indeed, this present density. For the will is, as Ra described it, the "great conduit to the Creator." In the experiment, shall we say, that is the creation, each of the Creator's parts are endowed with this will. This will is baked into the design of your beingness. It is that primal mechanism whereby you will choose your method of self-discovery; choose among an infinite variety of choices, your pathway to the Creator; choose your manner of beingness and expression and the duration and extent and entanglement of confusion as you teeter between that primal balance of acceptance and resistance.

Aiming the will towards acceptance is, we would say, a skillful use of will, for each act of acceptance smooths the journey and aligns one's self with, you might say, a more organic evolutionary path. This is not to say that there are wrong choices, per se, or that there are mistakes. In the macrocosmic sense, every use of will is a right use of will, for even in confusion, even in resistance and negation, the self will be meeting the self. Even if what is met is resisted or run from, that, too, teaches—and, once consciously embraced, will reveal self to self.

These seemingly dual or paradoxical uses of will, wherein one seeks a goal versus accepts what is presented, may be framed and approached in a variety of ways—one of which we would submit for your consideration is as something of a continuum, whereby one mode transitions into the other by that faculty made possible through acceptance, which is perhaps taken to an even higher level, which you might call trust or faith.

For in the personal use of will, which the Creator hopes that you will exercise in your choice-making journey, the more that you can set the will to the vibration and practice of acceptance, the more that your own will blends with the one will. And [if] trust [is exercised] that that which you are experiencing is the fruit of your personal will, then that which is reflected back to you—particularly and especially the difficult and challenging catalyst, the limitations, and the pain—is, shall we say, [understood to be] the universe working for you. [It is] the intelligent, responsive, adaptive illusion providing you the material that you wanted; on a fundamental level, material that is shaped by preincarnational bias and imprinting, and then continued with the exercise of the incarnate will.



RE: The manifestation of time - Dtris - 07-15-2021

(07-12-2021, 11:56 AM)tadeus Wrote:
(07-12-2021, 06:49 AM)Loki Wrote: If your concept of consciousness time was true, then there would be no free will as is the common argument against either free will in a universe with an omniscient creator. More specifically you would have to decide whether free will exists, or whether the higher self exists. Sequential consciousness time would necessitate that there would be no difference between the looking back between lives and the higher self overseeing lives.

It's my free will to have consciousness about the time and the flow of time itself and it works.

And of course it is my free will to have a free will!  Cool

The portion underlined by Loki was quoting myself.


RE: The manifestation of time - tadeus - 07-16-2021

(07-15-2021, 04:49 PM)Dtris Wrote: The portion underlined by Loki was quoting myself.

Oh - pardon.
Hopefully this will not disturb the communication itself.


RE: The manifestation of time - Loki - 07-16-2021

I am not sure how an absolute consciousness time would render free will impossible. In fact I believe quite the opposite the fact that the everlasting present moment extends to Creator level guarantees the free will. True infinite and Infinitesimal are two sides of the same coin. Present moment is infinitesimal and this makes it infinite. The fact that past and future are manifestations of our consciousness (which I consider equivalent to recording or forecasting events) does not make present moment only a manifestation of consciousness. Complex Totality is our consciousness seen from a vantage point far from Creation and close to Creator. Present moment is a tool or concept of our consciousness required to make possible the manifestation of past and future.

I can make an analogy with watching live sports. The live transmission is the present moment unique real and absolute for our timeline. But we can always go back and watch again a certain moment of the game. For our observing mind the replay and the live action are perceived the same way (a cat does not make a distinction between the replay and the live action) but for our thinking mind we know that even though the life transmission and the replay look the same, and we can watch them in parallel using picture in picture, the live transmission is the only real present (where the outcome can still be changed for our timeline) while the replay is the past present (which means the outcome is set in stone).

If we extrapolate this concept to Creator level, the complex totality can offer to our consciousness a form of parallel replay of all possible futures timelines which will look identical with present moment but will not be present moments yet (the outcome of each can be seen and all of them are possible until they become present and one is chosen). From all the possible paths the consciousness will only pick one using the free will when that future present will become absolute present. Once that future moment come to pass the future paths from complex totality memory will be replaced by the path we have chosen.

Bottom line in a new incarnation we can never go back to a past decision in an old incarnation and change out path. We can however make future decisions in future incarnations which might take us towards the path we missed in our previous incarnation. This doesn't mean that, if we had our incarnation, and bad decision, during WWII, we will have a future incarnation during the same WWII in order to change our path. Very likely we need to settle for another war in which we will have another chance to behave better. Once a moment becomes past will never be future or present again while the octave is not completed. Not sure what happens though after the octave ends. Maybe the game can restart with the same rules (same octave) or maybe a new game can start with new rules (new octave). I believe that jumping back in time inside an octave is a paradox Creator does not and cannot allow.


RE: The manifestation of time - tadeus - 07-16-2021

To keep it simple i would say it makes not much sense to think what would be, if there is something like absolute consciousness time.
Reading the channelings you can find out that only the third density has so many limitations specially to time/space and the veil.

Besides - cats will not be aware that there is something like a recording.
But i think a cat can differ between something on a screen and reality - that's what our cats are doing.

Extrapolating to a level of the creator from the view of the density with the most constraints, for the maximum of catalyst, will give no perception, i would say.

Why will you go back and change you individual path of experience?


RE: The manifestation of time - Loki - 07-16-2021

Reading the channelings you can find out that only the third density has so many limitations specially to time/space and the veil.

Indeed but yet even if other densities see the possible parallel paths they do not know which one will be chosen until the moment come and that future becomes present.

Besides - cats will not be aware that there is something like a recording.

As we are not aware there is a recording of our past incarnations (or not directly), however the higher self (which is still us but from a vantage point closer to Creator) is.

But i think a cat can differ between something on a screen and reality - that's what our cats are doing.

Cats cannot distinguish between a real-time moment in the game and a replay when both are on screen. Same for us at review phase, we cannot distinguish from our senses point of view, because those recordings are as real as they were when happened, but we know from our mind point of view those are memories even though they look real.

Extrapolating to a level of the creator from the view of the density with the most constraints, for the maximum of catalyst, will give no perception, i would say.

My assumption started from the fact that we are identical with the creator. More restricted but no less capable. What the Creator feels we can feel. If you consider our observing mind, it only dwell in present moment. It does not have the concept of past and future, it just acquires data without time stamps. Out thinking mind puts everything in perspective and puts time stamps on events creating the concept of past and future.

Why will you go back and change you individual path of experience?

Don't humans like to think about time travel where they go back correcting past errors? Physics claim that such thing might even be possible. I believe despite our optimism such trip back to correct stuff is a paradox not allowed by Creator.


RE: The manifestation of time - jafar - 07-21-2021

(07-16-2021, 01:55 PM)Loki Wrote: Why will you go back and change you individual path of experience?

Don't humans like to think about time travel where they go back correcting past errors? Physics claim that such thing might even be possible. I believe despite our optimism such trip back to correct stuff is a paradox not allowed by creator.

One can go back and forward in time but that will not 'change' the entity path of experience.

Understand that 'entity' or 'identity' is a virtual construct.
Yogic tradition always label every layer of bodies / identity construct with word "MAYA", which means "Virtual / Illusion".

In absolute sense, every one and every thing is "I" on any time and space context.
That's what Law of One is all about.
Everything is I,

When you go back in time you will witness / experience 'you' during that time, a good example of this is past life recalling / past life regression. Although you during today's time/space context and you during that time might not share the same identity.

When you go forward in time you will witness / experience 'you' during that time.
For example: some people who went for 'past life regression' are surprised to recall a memory of him/her in future time context.
Although you during today and you during that time might not share the same identity.

There are many versions of the past as there are many versions of the future.
Given time and space context are virtual / illusion in essence.
And so does identity.

You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation.
You are unity.
You are infinity.
You are love/light, light/love.
You are.
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.
This is the Law of One.



RE: The manifestation of time - tadeus - 07-22-2021

(07-16-2021, 01:55 PM)Loki Wrote: Why will you go back and change you individual path of experience?

Don't humans like to think about time travel where they go back correcting past errors? Physics claim that such thing might even be possible. I believe despite our optimism such trip back to correct stuff is a paradox not allowed by creator.

Yes humans like to think this.
But with the understanding of life as catalyst this concept makes no sense any more.


(07-21-2021, 11:47 AM)jafar Wrote: One can go back and forward in time but that will not 'change' the entity path of experience.

That's true and so the desire to change the past is irrational.
This kind of conclusions have to be done when planning the next incarnation.


RE: The manifestation of time - Loki - 07-23-2021

I believe the misunderstanding comes from the fact that word "time" has different meanings based on context. Consciousness meaning and creation meaning.  

Firstly time is a method through which consciousness at any level reports itself to its beingness. "I am" implies time. This is the eternal present which is infinite and infinitesimal, alpha and omega. A method means a concept of the consciousness and not a property of it.    

Secondly time is a method through which consciousness reports itself to past present moments and future present moments. Thinking mind records memories and estimates futures using this method. Still a concept and not a property of consciousness.

Thirdly it is the creation time which is not a method but a property of creation. Creation is like a "server" in a network of "servers" and its time is the Run Time. Each octave has its own server its own Run Time. A server administrator can go to any location in any application on that server and see the status of that location. The server administrator does not operate at Run Time, he operates at Build time like any Software developer. Any location status on the server has a time stamp (associated with the run time) and a certain unique combination of bits. Now a user of the server (using the server at run time) might have passed through that location in the past, might pass through it in the future, or might never pass through that location. It all depend on the free will of that user. Never the less that location exists and the server administrator can see it at will at build time regardless of the Run time.

This is the catch with the creation. It has timeline (run time) like a computer game in which we are confined and forced to make choices in order to progress through creation levels. But we, the highers selves, are not confined to the run time. We the higher selves are administrators of our destinies and can use build time to investigate alternative run timelines.

This is why at the beginning of creation the higher self is still administrator of destiny still in mid sixth density but its experience at that time is all possibilities and no certainties because the user at run time have not played anything yet.


RE: The manifestation of time - tadeus - 07-23-2021

I would say time is simply the 4th dimension in this 3D density / environment.

I like your interpretation, but time is only an additional catalyst, that brings every action into a sequential order.
(For the same reason i don't like object orientated programming, because it makes simple things more complex and has only advantages in complex projects.)

Because time is such an elemental aspect of the third density, it is perfect controlled to control the people.


RE: The manifestation of time - Loki - 07-28-2021

The biggest misconception, which comes mostly from vocabulary limitations, is that self higher self, and totality complex are dwelling in different moments in time. Ra mentions them located on a circle of time. However Ra also mentions that present is all that is. So how can this two be? They can because self, higher self and complex totality are all part of the same present moment at all time. They live the same unique present and this is the true simultaneity Ra is referring at. While being in the same present time they are located at different levels on the spiritual dimension which links the Creation (light) from Creator (Infinite Intelligence). Self is at Creation level, higher self is mid-sixth density level, and complex totality is seventh density level. The veil is a tool that makes the consciousness at Creation level completely free from any restriction. But this freedom is only simulated while the higher self can see real time how the game progresses.