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Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Infinite - 07-24-2021
I have been thinking about human relationships and the concept of judgment. We know that we are all one and as Ra said, unity is naturally formed by a compassion and therefore nothing should be excluded or abhorred. However, Ra also said that so-and-so was distorted, etc. There is also the question of homosexuality, which they said it's a distortion (I don't want to revive this controversial discussion, because there are already threads about it, it's just an example).
My point is: judging someone else's distortions doesn't seems to me as something that can increase our negative polarity. It doesn't seem wrong to me. It's just a perception.
Over the past few months I have been dealing with a difficult and challenging catalyst having to do with a person I love and my difficulty seeing and noticing her distortions. With the fear of judging, I put myself in a situation of emotional fragility and realized that I was going down the path of martyrdom. Ra talked about the green ray entities being ineffective in the face of others' blockages as opposed to the blue ray entities. It always seemed to me that the path is this balance between wisdom and compassion, but in practice we end up being victims of immoderate love and we close our eyes to things that hurt us.
Does anyone have an opinion or thought about it?
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Bosphorus1982 - 07-24-2021
Hi dear friend. If you have difficulties in accepting somebody with homosexual tendencies, just try to see it's a matter of choice. It's as Godly as a heterosexual tendency; since everything is in God's plan. Homosexuality in fact, is just like being left or right handed. There is nothing 'wrong' about it. I'd like finish this with an excerpt from the book Conversations with God. Take care
"Each soul is a Master—though some do not remember their origins or their
heritages. Yet each creates the situation and the circumstance for its own highest
purpose and its own quickest remembering—in each moment called now.
Judge not, then, the karmic path walked by another. Envy not success, nor pity
failure, for you know not what is success or failure in the soul’s reckoning. Call not a
thing calamity, nor joyous event, until you decide, or witness, how it is used. For is a
death a calamity if it saves the lives of thousands? And is a life a joyous event if it
has caused nothing but grief? Yet even this you should not judge, but keep always
your own counsel, and allow others theirs.
This does not mean ignore a call for help, nor the urging of your own soul to work
toward the change of some circumstance or condition. It does mean avoiding labels
and judgment while you do whatever you do. For each circumstance is a gift, and in
each experience is hidden a treasure."
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - tadeus - 07-24-2021
(07-24-2021, 09:21 AM)Infinite Wrote: My point is: judging someone else's distortions doesn't seems to me as something that can increase our negative polarity. It doesn't seem wrong to me. It's just a perception.
Does anyone have an opinion or thought about it?
Judging is part of the process our brain is processing information.
Everything is always scaled with known experiences.
But we are able to suppress it and to 'see' and feel about the result in a different way.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-24-2021
You can let others know what you don't like about them (you should also point out what you do like about them though), but without asking them to change who they are just to please you.
I can point out to my wife those little things just so she knows, but she also knows I am not asking her to change. It offers an opportunity for the other-self to change IF they wishes this.
For example, she is very impatient, but since she told me this is something she wishes to work on and ameliorate, I can point it out more often. The other things she does not wish to change, I just mention them if I forgot she did not wish to work on them or if they are new things. Otherwise, the change that is required is within me, to accept those things the other-self does not wish to change (to accept the other-self unconditionally).
If you find after deep contemplation that you cannot manage this unconditional acceptance, then the change required might be a change in relationship.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - jafar - 07-24-2021
(07-24-2021, 09:21 AM)Infinite Wrote: Over the past few months I have been dealing with a difficult and challenging catalyst having to do with a person I love and my difficulty seeing and noticing her distortions. With the fear of judging, I put myself in a situation of emotional fragility and realized that I was going down the path of martyrdom. Ra talked about the green ray entities being ineffective in the face of others' blockages as opposed to the blue ray entities. It always seemed to me that the path is this balance between wisdom and compassion, but in practice we end up being victims of immoderate love and we close our eyes to things that hurt us.
Does anyone have an opinion or thought about it?
'separated personalities', Us, You, He, She, It, Them by itself is also a distortion.
Separation is a distortion, separation is an illusion.
If you truly 'love' the 'other person' then there will be nothing that will act as a hindrance for you to accept the 'other person' as it/he/she is.
Accepting 'the other entity' as he/she/it is does not mean rejecting 'your entity' as he/she/it is.
Let's say for example Cinggis Khan is continuously bullying jafar..
Cinggis Khan if you don't stop abusing jafar, then jafar will lose his patience with you and he will unleash his wrath towards you.
There is nothing 'wrong' in Cinggis abusing jafar as there is nothing 'wrong' in jafar unleashing his wrath upon Cinggis. It's just an 'implication' of an action which causes a reaction. This is in essence what Karma is all about.
By putting yourself as an 'observer' of the event as experienced by your 'avatar' you can easily switch perspectives around to also see or understand the perspective of the other avatar/entities. And decide the best course of action. Acceptance need to happened towards all entities / avatars/ actors / identities that are involved, including 'your own' identity.
Accept everything as they are, including accepting you as you are.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Dtris - 07-24-2021
In the case of Ra, the way distortion was used was non-judgemental. Anything which is not unified love/light is a distortion.
In our case, everyone has distortions, or habits, tendencies, beliefs, etc. that influence our behavior and make up who we are. Judgement is one of those things which is best left to direct toward the self.
The tendency is to judge others, and judge their motivation, character, or personality. Whereas when we judge ourselves we know those traits and judge the action or behavior.
IMO it is ok and good to tell someone that they got hurt because riding a unicycle while trying to juggle knives, without knowing how to do either, was a bad idea. When you confine judgement to the beneifts or drawbacks of action and behavior you do not impugn the character of who you judge. We all do stupid things, I did some today in fact, and having someone point that out in a way that does not attack a person but illuminates the pros and cons of that behavior is beneficial.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - tadeus - 07-25-2021
(07-24-2021, 09:39 PM)Patrick Wrote: You can let others know what you don't like about them (you should also point out what you do like about them though), but without asking them to change who they are just to please you.
I can point out to my wife those little things just so she knows, but she also knows I am not asking her to change. It offers an opportunity for the other-self to change IF they wishes this.
For example, she is very impatient, but since she told me this is something she wishes to work on and ameliorate, I can point it out more often. The other things she does not wish to change, I just mention them if I forgot she did not wish to work on them or if they are new things. Otherwise, the change that is required is within me, to accept those things the other-self does not wish to change (to accept the other-self unconditionally).
If you find after deep contemplation that you cannot manage this unconditional acceptance, then the change required might be a change in relationship.
That's correct, but how to handle fundamental differences?
For instance when the sight on the life has changed through the knowledge of Ra and the changes in the world?
It is very difficult when there is no common way any more ...
Most of the people want that nothing changes and other will see that the time of change has come.
This can be easily accepted with other people, but it is difficult within a partnership and your own family.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Margan - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 06:02 AM)tadeus Wrote: That's correct, but how to handle fundamental differences?
For instance when the sight on the life has changed through the knowledge of Ra and the changes in the world?
It is very difficult when there is no common way any more ...
It depends on how you handle it and if you are ok with dealing with them at their level.
For example I have friends and also some of my family who are perfectly within the 3D mainstream, some of them even atheists.
That means when I meet them I can only relate to them in that way. We talk about mundane things. Or if I have questions about the 3D world and covid measures lol I ask them because they usually are well informed.
Of course I prefer my spiritual and conspiratorial friends, the discussions are totally different and they benefit me in a very different way.
I mean, maybe you can still accept and love them for who they are and where they are at. For me the sympathy factor is the key in that regard.
Sometimes even the most mundane talks yield astonishing insights. You never know.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Ray711 - 07-25-2021
I like to distinguish between judgment and having a sense of discrimination, like Ra says here:
Quote:The entity which is given constant and unremitting approval by those surrounding it suffers from the loss of the mirroring effect of those which reflect truthfully rather than unquestioningly. This is not a suggestion to reinstate judgment but merely a suggestion for all those supporting instruments; that is, support, be harmonious, share in love, joy, and thanksgiving, but find love within truth, for each instrument benefits from this support more than from the total admiration which overcomes discrimination.
We're constantly applying our sense of discrimination, constantly choosing what thoughts we consider of virtue and which we think lack virtue. The act of polarizing is all about choosing some thoughts and rejecting others. We are all things, of course, and so we recognize that we have the potential for the opposite of what we're presently choosing, but we make a conscious choice of potentiating one side of ourselves and not the other. In this sense, each other-self that we meet acts as an offering; an invitation to potentiate in ourselves what we see in them, or to walk a different path. This is where we apply our sense of discrimination. The STO entity thanks what it rejects, giving it respect and recognizing that, from the perspective of the other-self, there are good reasons for them to be choosing what they're choosing. But in its mind there is a very clear picture of which path to take.
Judgment is very different, in that it carries with it an oppressive energy. The implications of judgment always are:
"This is not acceptable".
"This is a mistake".
"There are no good reasons why this should have ever happened".
This contracts the one who is being judged, instilling feelings of shame and guilt, and closing them off to their joy and sense of self-worth. Rather than motivating them to be better and to joyfully seek something of higher virtue out of their own free will, it motivates them to remove the negative and oppressive energy created by the judging. I believe this usually results in one of two general situations:
First, the entity might rebel against the judging, and doubles down on its current behavior, thus reclaiming its sense of freedom and rejecting the self-worthlessness inherent to judging.
And second, the entity shrinks instead, internalizing the judging and thus the sense of self-worthlessness, seeing itself as defective and incapable of making choices of its own, thus submitting to the perceived authority of the one who judged it.
In this sense, I like to think of having a keen sense of discrimination as elevating everything, rather than denigrating anything. As such, a hierarchy of sorts does exist, in which those things of highest virtue are put on top. But instead of denigrating that which is perceived to have less virtue, it is seen with respect, it is understood and accepted.
It's so easy to confuse judging with enjoying our personal and much needed sense of discrimination. I too struggled with making this distinction. Judging is never necessary. But a sense of discrimination is necessary to all of us. We can't navigate life without it.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 06:02 AM)tadeus Wrote:(07-24-2021, 09:39 PM)Patrick Wrote: You can let others know what you don't like about them (you should also point out what you do like about them though), but without asking them to change who they are just to please you.
I can point out to my wife those little things just so she knows, but she also knows I am not asking her to change. It offers an opportunity for the other-self to change IF they wishes this.
For example, she is very impatient, but since she told me this is something she wishes to work on and ameliorate, I can point it out more often. The other things she does not wish to change, I just mention them if I forgot she did not wish to work on them or if they are new things. Otherwise, the change that is required is within me, to accept those things the other-self does not wish to change (to accept the other-self unconditionally).
If you find after deep contemplation that you cannot manage this unconditional acceptance, then the change required might be a change in relationship.
That's correct, but how to handle fundamental differences?
For instance when the sight on the life has changed through the knowledge of Ra and the changes in the world?
It is very difficult when there is no common way any more ...
Most of the people want that nothing changes and other will see that the time of change has come.
This can be easily accepted with other people, but it is difficult within a partnership and your own family.
My wife is not spiritual, but she has no issues with my spirituality because the way I practice it appears pretty much invisible to others. I made a personal choice not to let my spirituality get in the way of my interactions with others. So I get along with pretty much anyone and still participate in all the "normal" things that "normal" people do. I did not let anything (like conspirations for example) separate me from others.
In my opinion, we did not come here to freak out about all the issues of this world and the Elites and all that. We came here to love this world just as it is and love its people just as they are.
But to answer your question about fundamental differences, Ra already told us what to do: "In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well."
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - tadeus - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 06:49 AM)Margan Wrote: It depends on how you handle it and if you are ok with dealing with them at their level.
For example I have friends and also some of my family who are perfectly within the 3D mainstream, some of them even atheists.
That means when I meet them I can only relate to them in that way. We talk about mundane things. Or if I have questions about the 3D world and covid measures lol I ask them because they usually are well informed.
You meet your family every day.
(07-25-2021, 10:40 AM)Patrick Wrote: My wife is not spiritual, but she has no issues with my spirituality because the way I practice it appears pretty much invisible to others. I made a personal choice not to let my spirituality get in the way of my interactions with others. So I get along with pretty much anyone and still participate in all the "normal" things that "normal" people do. I did not let anything (like conspirations for example) separate me from others.
In my opinion, we did not come here to freak out about all the issues of this world and the Elites and all that. We came here to love this world just as it is and love its people just as they are.
But to answer your question about fundamental differences, Ra already told us what to do: "In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well."
That's true, but really not easy.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Margan - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 12:24 PM)tadeus Wrote:(07-25-2021, 06:49 AM)Margan Wrote: It depends on how you handle it and if you are ok with dealing with them at their level.
For example I have friends and also some of my family who are perfectly within the 3D mainstream, some of them even atheists.
That means when I meet them I can only relate to them in that way. We talk about mundane things. Or if I have questions about the 3D world and covid measures lol I ask them because they usually are well informed.
You meet your family every day.
No I don't.
Edit: I see what the misunderstanding was, you mean people living in the same household as you....
over to you, Patrick "passesmicrophone"
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - tadeus - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 01:05 PM)Margan Wrote: No I don't.
Edit: I see what the misunderstanding was, you mean people living in the same household as you....
over to you, Patrick "passesmicrophone"
O.K. But at least it makes no principal difference.
It's just the feeling that the transformation into the 4th density will really need about additional 70 years and needs an demonstration of negative polarisation.
There are times where it is not possible to see it with love and i only want to be not in touch with all around me.
But i am often teared back into things that are felt as lunacy.
Patience is one of the virtues i have to work in this incarnation.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - pat19989 - 07-28-2021
(07-25-2021, 10:40 AM)Patrick Wrote:(07-25-2021, 06:02 AM)tadeus Wrote:(07-24-2021, 09:39 PM)Patrick Wrote: You can let others know what you don't like about them (you should also point out what you do like about them though), but without asking them to change who they are just to please you.
I can point out to my wife those little things just so she knows, but she also knows I am not asking her to change. It offers an opportunity for the other-self to change IF they wishes this.
For example, she is very impatient, but since she told me this is something she wishes to work on and ameliorate, I can point it out more often. The other things she does not wish to change, I just mention them if I forgot she did not wish to work on them or if they are new things. Otherwise, the change that is required is within me, to accept those things the other-self does not wish to change (to accept the other-self unconditionally).
If you find after deep contemplation that you cannot manage this unconditional acceptance, then the change required might be a change in relationship.
That's correct, but how to handle fundamental differences?
For instance when the sight on the life has changed through the knowledge of Ra and the changes in the world?
It is very difficult when there is no common way any more ...
Most of the people want that nothing changes and other will see that the time of change has come.
This can be easily accepted with other people, but it is difficult within a partnership and your own family.
My wife is not spiritual, but she has no issues with my spirituality because the way I practice it appears pretty much invisible to others. I made a personal choice not to let my spirituality get in the way of my interactions with others. So I get along with pretty much anyone and still participate in all the "normal" things that "normal" people do. I did not let anything (like conspirations for example) separate me from others.
In my opinion, we did not come here to freak out about all the issues of this world and the Elites and all that. We came here to love this world just as it is and love its people just as they are.
But to answer your question about fundamental differences, Ra already told us what to do: "In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well."
I am struggling with all of the above. The hardest part about my ever growing spirituality is maintaining my relationships with my friends and family who do not view the world in any way close to the way I do.
Patrick, do you have any advice for ceasing the judgement that comes along with spirituality? especially for the people whose lifestyle contradicts your own values, but that you do not want to lose? I know co-existence of these two paths are possible, but it just seems so difficult at the moment. Trying to let go and let the creator take care of it, but I'm having trouble surrendering these thoughts.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-28-2021
What helped me is when I read from Q'uo that we are not here to fix it, we are here to love it. So then it became much easier to love people just as they are without the impulse to change them. They will change by contact with you nonetheless and so will you.
Like the saying goes, before awakening fetch water chop wood, after awakening fetch water chop wood.
It changes everything and yet it changes nothing. You meet all the same catalyst and the same people, but it's how you meet these that changes. You can make an example of your life by asking the Christ consciousness to flow freely through you.
Like Jesus, we are not supposed to become estranged from others. We are supposed to mingle with all the same people that are meant to come within our sphere of influence. And not judging or changing them, but loving and positively influencing them by your very being. If they want more from you they will bring the subject themselves.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - flow - 07-28-2021
(07-24-2021, 09:21 AM)Infinite Wrote: ...My point is: judging someone else's distortions doesn't seems to me as something that can increase our negative polarity. It doesn't seem wrong to me. It's just a perception...as HH Dalai-Lama puts it, "love is the absence of judgement. As Ra/Q'uo puts it love is acceptance and forgiveness. they told us "those who are hardest to love need love the most". so being judgemental blocks one's love and creates separation. but that is perfectly fine since we are imperfect beings and we should not judge ourselves for being judgemental
but to use our discerment and stay away from toxic individuals is not a judgement, it is common sense...(07-24-2021, 09:21 AM)Infinite Wrote: ...Over the past few months I have been dealing with a difficult and challenging catalyst having to do with a person I love and my difficulty seeing and noticing her distortions. With the fear of judging, I put myself in a situation of emotional fragility and realized that I was going down the path of martyrdom. Ra talked about the green ray entities being ineffective in the face of others' blockages as opposed to the blue ray entities. It always seemed to me that the path is this balance between wisdom and compassion, but in practice we end up being victims of immoderate love and we close our eyes to things that hurt us...there are a lot of people with dysfunctional family backgrounds, daddy/mommy issues, bpd, generalized anxiety disorders etc. those people got all this heavy catalyst so they can learn how to accept and love themselves. if your help was not being asked by such a person, you doing no service to them. to love unconditionally does not mean to accept toxic personality shell.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Ray711 - 07-29-2021
(07-28-2021, 09:27 AM)Patrick Wrote: Like Jesus, we are not supposed to become estranged from others.
There are many different paths. These two quotes from the Ra material come to mind:
Quote:It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept.
Quote:The difference is that of choosing either to hitchhike to a place where beauty may be seen or to walk, step by step, independent and free in this independence to praise the strength to walk and the opportunity for the awareness of beauty.
The hitchhiker, instead, is distracted by conversation and the vagaries of the road and, dependent upon the whims of others, is concerned to make the appointment in time. The hitchhiker sees the same beauty but has not prepared itself for the establishment, in the roots of mind, of the experience.
The mind is like a sponge that absorbs everything it comes into contact with. When being presented repeatedly with the worldview of those who don't care about spirituality, or who straight up shun it, our subconscious strengthens such thoughts within us and gives them validity. This is problematic when we as spiritual seekers already have to deal with our own fear and insecurities.
Furthermore, strong attachments to other-selves can distract the self from the notion that all that is perceivable except beingness itself is impermanent, and thus illusory. On that point, I like this quote too:
Quote:We suggest the nature of all manifestation to be illusory and functional only insofar as the entity turns from shape and shadow to the One.
There are plenty of quotes in the material about the benefits and importance of having relations with other-selves, so I don't mean to say that there's no value there. Again, just wishing to point out that there are many different paths.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-29-2021
I can't say that I can relate to that point of view Ray. In my experience my faith is not shaken by this contact, but others are positively affected by contact with me. I agree that attachment should not be of the needy type.
My understanding of what Ra meant does not result in estrangement but on the contrary it results in you not being pulled into the problems of others, even if they are trying to have a problem with you. Not by remaining away but by remaining unswayed.
But certainly if one feels they cannot be themselves while in the presence of non spiritual people, then maybe a change in relationships is mandated.
The other thing is that often these people will be glad to have philosophical discussions even if not spiritual per se. I find that we can discuss concepts very close to the Law of One while only using the language of philosophy.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Ohr Ein Sof - 07-29-2021
(07-29-2021, 09:11 AM)Patrick Wrote: I can't say that I can relate to that point of view Ray. In my experience my faith is not shaken by this contact, but others are positively affected by contact with me. I agree that attachment should not be of the needy type.The Material does say "bonds" it does not say "unswayed". Pardon, but I think you both are seeing the quote out of context; slightly.
My understanding of what Ra meant does not result in estrangement but on the contrary it results in you not being pulled into the problems of others, even if they are trying to have a problem with you. Not by remaining away but by remaining unswayed.
But certainly if one feels they cannot be themselves while in the presence of non spiritual people, then maybe a change in relationships is mandated.
The other thing is that often these people will be glad to have philosophical discussions even if not spiritual per se. I find that we can discuss concepts very close to the Law of One while only using the language of philosophy.
And we are speaking of the life of an adept not the life of a common person learning spirituality, spiritual concepts, learning to apply them to one's life and becoming more aware of its interior environment. Much must take place before we could call ourself an adept or even an initiate (one who has been initiated into the mysteries).
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - tadeus - 07-29-2021
(07-28-2021, 09:01 AM)pat19989 Wrote: That's correct, but how to handle fundamental differences?
For instance when the sight on the life has changed through the knowledge of Ra and the changes in the world?
It is very difficult when there is no common way any more ...
That's the point. It's like you have gone forward and the rest just don't want to move.
Here you can say: O.K. Just keep where you are, please don't stop me.
It's quite more difficult to keep a conversation, because you must lie about the facts.
When you have "leave the world" of fiction, scientificity, religion you can only keep quiet.
(07-28-2021, 09:27 AM)Patrick Wrote: What helped me is when I read from Q'uo that we are not here to fix it, we are here to love it. So then it became much easier to love people just as they are without the impulse to change them. They will change by contact with you nonetheless and so will you.
Like the saying goes, before awakening fetch water chop wood, after awakening fetch water chop wood.
It changes everything and yet it changes nothing. You meet all the same catalyst and the same people, but it's how you meet these that changes. You can make an example of your life by asking the Christ consciousness to flow freely through you.
Like Jesus, we are not supposed to become estranged from others. We are supposed to mingle with all the same people that are meant to come within our sphere of influence. And not judging or changing them, but loving and positively influencing them by your very being. If they want more from you they will bring the subject themselves.
That's really wonderful, but it has do be a daily job again and again, maybe until you leave this incarnation.
Rudolf Steiner did write about this problematic of being an adept too, but he did not have an solution.
He only writes that you should do everything like before, just try to help if possible and to keep distance if needed.
Quote:We suggest the nature of all manifestation to be illusory and functional only insofar as the entity turns from shape and shadow to the One.
That's a solace but not really a solution, specially when the polarity / differences seems to increase.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-29-2021
I think I just have another view of what an adapt is. In my view, pretty much only adepts would come to this forum and discuss in depth these concepts that Ra shared with us. In other words, I believe we are all adepts here.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - tadeus - 07-29-2021
Yes - adept is only used as synonym for spiritual awakening in a deeper form.
(07-29-2021, 09:11 AM)Patrick Wrote: I can't say that I can relate to that point of view Ray. In my experience my faith is not shaken by this contact, but others are positively affected by contact with me. I agree that attachment should not be of the needy type.
My understanding of what Ra meant does not result in estrangement but on the contrary it results in you not being pulled into the problems of others, even if they are trying to have a problem with you. Not by remaining away but by remaining unswayed.
But certainly if one feels they cannot be themselves while in the presence of non spiritual people, then maybe a change in relationships is mandated.
That's a solution - but how to handle with your companion?
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-29-2021
(07-29-2021, 09:39 AM)tadeus Wrote: ...That's really wonderful, but it has do be a daily job again and again, maybe until you leave this incarnation.
Rudolf Steiner did write about this problematic of being an adept too, but he did not have an solution.
He only writes that you should do everything like before, just try to help if possible and to keep distance if needed.
I still remember how I felt ten years ago after my awakening. My wife had trouble aligning with what I was becoming. I wanted to sell the house and live a simpler life. I yearned for fourth density to manifest and I just wanted peace and love. Obviously contact with others was disrupting that peace. I went through this for about 6 months before I discerned that my own spiritual path had already been traveled on the other side of the veil, in my home density. It occurred to me that I was not here to replay it per se.
So when I started having those issues with others, I became aware that I deeply did not want my newfound spirituality to create more separation in this world. I saw how it could create wedges between me and others, especially my wife, and since my desire was to serve others in the best way THEY require, the Creator hollowed me and rearranged my understanding of the world and of spirituality so that I could serve others instead of becoming another weirdo to them which would have just rendered me useless. There is a failure there, since I am now seen as a weirdo nonetheless.
But the type of weirdo that people are intrigued by instead of repulsed.I am not here to progress my own spiritual path, this happens anyway since we cannot not learn and we cannot prevent our evolution. I am here to help in whatever fashion and so I ask the Creator to make me the best instrument he needs for any purpose and I just let my life unfold. This is done effortlessly nowadays, I am just being myself.
What boggles my mind is that leaving it all up to the Creator like that ended up bringing me an abundance of everything in this incarnation. Especially an abundance of love in my relationships, even work related.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-29-2021
(07-29-2021, 09:49 AM)tadeus Wrote: ...That's a solution - but how to handle with your companion?
Like I said, we little-selves cannot resolve those issues. The best way that I know of is to ask the Creator to move you or if this idea is not pleasant to you then you can ask to highlight the path for you.
When I experience a difficult time in a relationship, I look at my self being angry or the other-self being angry and I say inwardly "thank you for this life". It's the stupidest thing ever.
Thank you for my troubles! Yet there is an undercurrent to this thanksgiving. The undercurrent is me giving up those issues to the Creator via my crown. Thanks! but here take this! It is a way to ask the Creator, via thanksgiving, to please resolve those issues for you.I really do think this is the best way to resolve issues. It's not instantaneous and so you will have to sit with those issues for a time, but I don't know any better methods of resolution.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-29-2021
I think the ending of this quote is close to what I am trying to convey.
Quote:60.26 Questioner: There has been, for the past 30 years, a lot of information and a lot of confusion, and in fact, I would say the Law of Confusion has been [chuckle] working overtime, to make a small joke, in bringing information for spiritual catalysis to groups requesting it, and we know that both the positively and the negatively oriented social memory complexes have been adding to this information as they can. This has led to somewhat of a condition of apathy in a lot of cases with respect to the information by many who are truly seeking but have been thwarted by a condition of what I might call spiritual entropy in this information. Can you comment on this and the mechanisms of alleviating these problems?
Ra: I am Ra. We can comment on this.
60.27 Questioner: Only if you deem it to be of importance I would request a comment. If you feel it unimportant we’ll skip it.
Ra: I am Ra. This information is significant to some degree as it bears upon our own mission at this time.
We of the Confederation are at the call of those upon your planet. If the call, though sincere, is fairly low in consciousness of the, shall we say, system whereby spiritual evolution may be precipitated, then we may only offer that information useful to that particular caller. This is the basic difficulty. Entities receive the basic information about the Original Thought and the means, that is meditation and service to others, whereby this Original Thought may be obtained.
Please note that as Confederation members we are speaking for positively oriented entities. We believe the Orion group has precisely the same difficulty.
Once this basic information is received it is not put into practice in the heart and in the life experience but instead rattles about within the mind complex distortions as would a building block which has lost its place and simply rolls from side to side uselessly, yet still the entity calls. Therefore, the same basic information is repeated. Ultimately the entity decides that it is weary of this repetitive information. However, if an entity puts into practice that which it is given, it will not find repetition except when needed.
"However, if an entity puts into practice that which it is given, it will not find repetition except when needed."
To me, this means that life just flows and issues arises and goes away. You do not find yourself stuck in the same problems all the time if you truly put into practice that which you are given.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - tadeus - 07-30-2021
(07-29-2021, 10:20 AM)Patrick Wrote: I still remember how I felt ten years ago after my awakening. My wife had trouble aligning with what I was becoming. I wanted to sell the house and live a simpler life. I yearned for fourth density to manifest and I just wanted peace and love. Obviously contact with others was disrupting that peace. I went through this for about 6 months before I discerned that my own spiritual path had already been traveled on the other side of the veil, in my home density. It occurred to me that I was not here to replay it per se.
So when I started having those issues with others, I became aware that I deeply did not want my newfound spirituality to create more separation in this world. I saw how it could create wedges between me and others, especially my wife, and since my desire was to serve others in the best way THEY require, the Creator hollowed me and rearranged my understanding of the world and of spirituality so that I could serve others instead of becoming another weirdo to them which would have just rendered me useless. There is a failure there, since I am now seen as a weirdo nonetheless.
I am not here to progress my own spiritual path, this happens anyway since we cannot not learn and we cannot prevent our evolution. I am here to help in whatever fashion and so I ask the Creator to make me the best instrument he needs for any purpose and I just let my life unfold. This is done effortlessly nowadays, I am just being myself.
What boggles my mind is that leaving it all up to the Creator like that ended up bringing me an abundance of everything in this incarnation. Especially an abundance of love in my relationships, even work related.
Thank you - this helps me to realize that you are right (of course), because i am not alone with this experience.
What is your "trick" not to forget this, when you are treated as weirdo?
(07-29-2021, 10:36 AM)Patrick Wrote: Like I said, we little-selves cannot resolve those issues. The best way that I know of is to ask the Creator to move you or if this idea is not pleasant to you then you can ask to highlight the path for you.
When I experience a difficult time in a relationship, I look at my self being angry or the other-self being angry and I say inwardly "thank you for this life". It's the stupidest thing ever.
I really do think this is the best way to resolve issues. It's not instantaneous and so you will have to sit with those issues for a time, but I don't know any better methods of resolution.
Yes - this solution is already practiced, but sometimes it seems to be "not enough" ...
(07-29-2021, 11:08 AM)Patrick Wrote: "However, if an entity puts into practice that which it is given, it will not find repetition except when needed."
To me, this means that life just flows and issues arises and goes away. You do not find yourself stuck in the same problems all the time if you truly put into practice that which you are given.
That's true.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - fiatlux0 - 07-30-2021
I think judgment is a natural function of the mind. It is neither positive nor negative in itself, but look to the fruits of the judgement and your actions to see whether you're balanced. That you are afraid of judging her (thus experiencing blockage in higher energy centers of green, blue and indigo rays) is indicative of more balancing inner work required in the lower triad of energy centers. Specifically if you experience blue-ray blockage that inhibits clear and honest expression, it may be helpful to also look at the possible orange-ray issues e.g. consideration of self, as blue and orange are complementary colors.
Some quotes by Ra that may further assist contemplation:
Quote:You may, with some fruitfulness, consider the possibilities of moonlight. You are aware that we have described the Matrix of the Spirit as a night. The moonlight, then, offers either a true picture seen in shadow or chimera and falsity. The power of falsity is as deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the One Infinite Creator. The adept, then, is working with the power of hidden things illuminated by that which can be false or true.
Quote:Even the most unhappy of experiences, shall we say, which seem to occur in the Catalyst of the adept, seen from the viewpoint of the spirit, may, with the discrimination possible in shadow, be worked with until light equaling the light of brightest noon descends upon the adept and positive or service-to-others illumination has occurred. The service-to-self adept will satisfy itself with the shadows and, grasping the light of day, will toss back the head in grim laughter, preferring the darkness.
Quote:Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?
Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Ohr Ein Sof - 07-30-2021
(07-29-2021, 09:40 AM)Patrick Wrote: I think I just have another view of what an adapt is. In my view, pretty much only adepts would come to this forum and discuss in depth these concepts that Ra shared with us. In other words, I believe we are all adepts here.
Patrick, that is truly the most silly thing I have ever read and it can be quite insulting. Not all are adeptus minor or major that come here and far from it. Please do not be so blatantly and willfully ignorant. I cannot put it in another way and I know that this sounds insulting but adepts are different than people who read the LOO and know all the "quotes" at will. I mean, really? Please.
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 07:33 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:(07-29-2021, 09:40 AM)Patrick Wrote: I think I just have another view of what an adapt is. In my view, pretty much only adepts would come to this forum and discuss in depth these concepts that Ra shared with us. In other words, I believe we are all adepts here.
Patrick, that is truly the most silly thing I have ever read and it can be quite insulting. Not all are adeptus minor or major that come here and far from it. Please do not be so blatantly and willfully ignorant. I cannot put it in another way and I know that this sounds insulting but adepts are different than people who read the LOO and know all the "quotes" at will. I mean, really? Please.
Ohr Ein Sof, since I have not a iota of intention of insulting anyone by sharing my point of view, I could have said that feeling insulted is your responsibility, but nope, I take the part of responsibility that is mine so then I am sorry if you find my view insulting on this matter. But your arguments did not change it at this time. This is really what I believe still.
If you feel like it though, I am curious about your point of view and I could split these posts into a thread made to discuss this subject?
RE: Human Relationships and the Concept of Judgment - Patrick - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 03:36 AM)tadeus Wrote: ...
What is your "trick" not to forget this, when you are treated as weirdo?
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I learned to not take myself too seriously. I had setup this incarnation to learn this, because appearances were very important to me when I was younger. Now it is much less so.
The other thing is learning to listen. I was not a good listener at first. Now it is a bit better. When you discuss these subjects with others that makes you appear as a weirdo, it is good to listen more than speaking. This way I find I can relate to the subject but from the point of view of my interlocutor. I am no longer trying to push my understanding, but instead I am learning to mold my understanding of the Law of One into a shape that the other person can relate to and understand from their point of view.
(07-30-2021, 03:36 AM)tadeus Wrote: ...
Yes - this solution is already practiced, but sometimes it seems to be "not enough" ...
This could mean that you still have things you wished to learn/experience before releasing your little will to your greater will. There are things we program to learn before the incarnation, it's possible that if these are very important to you to learn, you will not find it possible to completely release your will and give yourself up fully before you have worked enough with those catalysts.
On the other hand, you have complete freewill and can at any time during the incarnation ask for all the preparations you have made to be replaced instead by the will of the One Infinite Creator. After all, the One knows even better than us what we need to learn.
That is pretty much what I have done now. I feel I have consciously totally given my self as an instrument. I don't feel the need to look up too far in the future to plan my progress. I just go with the flow. I do still plan though, like planning vacations in advance and stuff like that.
But life pretty much just happens to me now.