(08-18-2021, 10:20 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: Everything that we believe is only a concept of Mind, and the Mind creating answers to something that is incomprehensible.

(08-18-2021, 10:46 AM)Anders Wrote: @Ming the Merciful We can use concepts I believe to transcend conceptual understanding, like Ramakrishna said to use a thorn to remove another thorn and then throwing them both away. Teachings like the Law of One are useful for expanding our sense of possibilities even if it's just conceptual understanding. Also, there is a risk of mistaking a partial awakening for a full awakening. As long as we are still in yellow-ray bodies I believe we still need conceptual knowledge as a tool for moving into a green-ray body. And the veil can be seen as that which blocks that transition.

(08-18-2021, 01:08 PM)Anders Wrote: I came to think of how some people may benefit from following one particular teaching. Nonduality teacher Roger Castillo who was a student of hardcore nonduality teacher Ramesh Balsekar was asked a question about what the thought about the even more hardcore nonduality teaching of Tony Parsons.

Roger said that some teachings can fit some people and other teachings fit other people. And there are levels of teachings, Roger said. So if we look for consistency in spiritual teachings that can be a mistake. As an example he mentioned how in A Course in Miracles it first teaches one thing and then later it changes to another thing! It depends on the level of the student.

(08-18-2021, 03:27 PM)Anders Wrote: @Ming the Merciful The hardcore nonduality teachings say that there isn't anybody who can do anything, not even accept or not accept what is. I think they have a point. However my own approach is to expect that the Creator is infinite intelligence, and we are the Creator! So things will get better is my belief. And that's consistent with the Law of One which says that third density in which humanity is at the moment is a very tough yet short evolutionary stage seen from a cosmic perspective.

Quote:"Questioner: [The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.]

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

May we enunciate this law in more detail?" - Law of One 1.7

(08-18-2021, 04:22 PM)Anders Wrote: @Ming the Merciful Yes, I have listened a lot to Mooji. I find him similar to Eckhart Tolle in terms of nonduality.

Ra also basically teaches nonduality, such as:

Quote:"Questioner: [The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.]

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

May we enunciate this law in more detail?" - Law of One 1.7

(08-18-2021, 04:59 PM)Anders Wrote: Is it arrogant hubris or delusion of grandeur of the Catholic Church to claim that the Pope is infallible? No, because we are all infallible! Haha. It's the veil that causes us to believe that we can make mistakes, or that accidents can happen etc.

And Jesus said that we should be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect. Well, excuse me Jesus, but we are already perfect. Or more seriously, what Jesus meant I think is that we should realize that we already are perfect. Very difficult thing to do in today's messy world.

(08-18-2021, 05:12 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:

(08-18-2021, 04:59 PM)Anders Wrote: Is it arrogant hubris or delusion of grandeur of the Catholic Church to claim that the Pope is infallible? No, because we are all infallible! Haha. It's the veil that causes us to believe that we can make mistakes, or that accidents can happen etc.

And Jesus said that we should be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect. Well, excuse me Jesus, but we are already perfect. Or more seriously, what Jesus meant I think is that we should realize that we already are perfect. Very difficult thing to do in today's messy world.

I would be a bad Catholic. My Path started in Pentecostalism, and then I rebelled and discovered ISKCON. There is too much radicalism in me to believe anything. Okay, I do believe in Zen, except I reach my own conclusions. Is that not the point of Zen? There is nothing I enjoy more than a good Philosophical argument, and disproving something. There are those that say, that Jesus was the reincarnation of Krishna and there, (somewhere), is evidence, (supposedly), in India. I also follow the theory that the "God(s)" are Alien Beings. In some schools of thought, there are those that say that the Vedas were Alien inspired.

Who are we to argue. Pay homage to the Alien God(s)

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(08-18-2021, 04:59 PM)Anders Wrote: Is it arrogant hubris or delusion of grandeur of the Catholic Church to claim that the Pope is infallible? No, because we are all infallible! Haha. It's the veil that causes us to believe that we can make mistakes, or that accidents can happen etc.

And Jesus said that we should be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect. Well, excuse me Jesus, but we are already perfect. Or more seriously, what Jesus meant I think is that we should realize that we already are perfect. Very difficult thing to do in today's messy world.

(08-18-2021, 04:58 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: The Veil exists and does not exist simultaneously. Once we cross the divide, we have crossed the Veil, (in the context of Unity).

Quote:"Questioner: How have they been able to keep this a secret? Why aren’t these craft in use for transport?

Ra: The governments of each of your societal division illusions desire to refrain from publicity so that the surprise may be retained in case of hostile action from what your peoples call enemies." - Law of One 8.8

Quote:"Ra: I am Ra. The principle of crystal healing is based upon an understanding of the hierarchical nature of the structure of the illusion which is the physical body, as you would call it." - Law of One 2.3

Quote:"Questioner: I would like to carry that on to find out what specific functions of the mind were most effectual and the three or four most effective changes brought about to create the polarization.

Ra: I am Ra. This is an interesting query. The primary veiling was of such significance that it may be seen to be analogous to the mantling of the Earth over all the jewels within the Earth’s crust; whereas previously all facets of the Creator were consciously known. After the veiling, almost no facets of the Creator were known to the mind. Almost all was buried beneath the veil.

If one were to attempt to list those functions of mind most significant in that they might be of aid in polarization, one would need to begin with the faculty of visioning, envisioning, or far-seeing. Without the veil the mind was not caught in your illusory time. With the veil space/time is the only obvious possibility for experience.

Also upon the list of significant veiled functions of the mind would be that of dreaming. The so-called dreaming contains a great deal which, if made available to the conscious mind and used, shall aid it in polarization to a great extent.

The third function of the mind which is significant and which has been veiled is that of the knowing of the body. The knowledge of and control over the body, having been lost to a great extent in the veiling process, is thusly lost from the experience of the seeker. Its knowledge before the veiling is of small use. Its knowledge after the veiling, and in the face of what is now a dense illusion of separation of body complex from mind complex, is quite significant.

Perhaps the most important and significant function that occurred due to the veiling of the mind from itself is not in itself a function of mind but rather is a product of the potential created by this veiling. This is the faculty of will or pure desire.

We may ask for brief queries at this time. Although there is energy remaining for this working, we are reluctant to continue this contact, experiencing continual variations due to pain flares, as you call this distortion. Although we are unaware of any misgiven material we are aware that there have been several points during which our channel was less than optimal. This instrument is most faithful but we do not wish to misuse this instrument. Please query as you will." - Law of One 85.19

Quote:"He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children." - Revelation 21:6-7

Quote:"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

(08-19-2021, 02:05 PM)Anders Wrote: Another thing I find interesting, and almost funny is the continuation of the Bible quote in my previous post. It's about the second death. The first quote I see as being freed from the veil. And this second quote is about remaining trapped in the veil. The second death then means being trapped in the veil forever. Can't happen since the veil is a temporary cosmic trick for the purpose of growth and development.

Quote:"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

And the "lake of burning sulfur" can be seen as the first stage in esoteric alchemy, the blackening stage where the veiled self is burnt to ashes.