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RE: Universal Language - flofrog - 12-19-2021

Qunicunx, your post makes me see how I am longing for the same thing. I remember when I was young there was a lot of talk about Esperanto becoming a universal language but it faded. There was even a movie made in Esperanto, it sounded quite beautiful but needed subtitles, lol

What you refer to is more instant and less linked to uniquely the mental, and we long for that. From what Ra says, this is the instant connection we get in time/space. I so agree about smell… wood burning in a fireplace with its sounds and soft smoky smell, fresh cut grass in which you nearly would roll yourself. And yes the smell of apple pie and cinnamon…

All kind of music. I love African music and classical music, I find them similar, lol. Right now I am listening to Bach Cantata BWV 21. I had not listened to it since I was perhaps 8 or 9 when my mother used to listen to it while knitting on week ends. Listening to it is like I feel my mum right here.


RE: Universal Language - pat19989 - 12-20-2021

The idea of a universal language is a very interesting one indeed. I was recently told a story (that I do not remember completely so forgive me for my generalizations) of a certain native people's language including the idea of one and many, but no numbers or anything inbetween. When outsiders asked them the difference between 2 fish and 4 fish, they could not fathom that there was a difference. In this way, the language we speak is our whole basis of understanding, and whole basis for understanding our feelings. It makes me wonder what concepts I miss out on in the west because of language shortcomings.

I agree that music is a step in the direction of universal language. I would very much like to begin learning a new language, I learned chinese in high school and would love to pick it back up. It is crazy to think about how much change in thought could occur if everyone was at least just bilingual.


RE: Universal Language - Diana - 12-20-2021

This thread reminded me of an old song by Crosby, Stills, and Nash, Wooden Ships, about two soldiers on opposite sides in Viet Nam.



Lyrics:

Wooden Ships

If you smile at me I will understand
'Cause that is something
Everybody everywhere does in the same language

I can see by your coat, my friend you're from the other side
There's just one thing I got to know
Can you tell me please who won?

Say can I have some of your purple berries?

Yes, I've been eating them
For six or seven weeks now haven't got sick once

Probably keep us both alive

Wooden ships on the water very free and easy
Easy, you know the way it's supposed to be
Silver people on the shoreline let us be
Talkin' 'bout very free and easy

Horror grips us as we watch you die
All we can do is echo your anguished cries
Stare as all human feelings die
We are leaving, you don't need us

Aaaah ...
Go take your sister then by the hand
Lead her away from this foreign land
Far away where we might laugh again
We are leaving, you don't need us

And it's a fair wind
Blowin' warm out of the south over my shoulder
Guess I'll set a course and go


RE: Universal Language - MonadicSpectrum - 12-22-2021

Great song, Diana. Thanks for sharing; I'm a big fan of music and lyrics used as a tool for learning. Smile

I think everyone has some great ideas in this thread. I've found it helpful to view communication in terms of the physical and metaphysical patterns that are produced. When one communicates physically, one is translating an idea (a metaphysical pattern) into a physical construct (sound or light waves) for another self to then translate back into an idea.

For example, I might be thinking of my car right now, but with physical language, I can only describe it in terms of the abstractions of words based on what I believe are the collective memories of my readers that people associate with each word. I could say it is some color, some make, some model, and some year, and everyone would translate these patterns of words expressed as light into the idea of a car that matches the description. But it's likely each individual reading would translate the description into their own idea, and it's very unlikely anyone would completely accurately picture my car with its unique scratches and all.

The main problem with this approach is that much information is lost in both of the translations from the idea to words and from words to the idea. When trying to find a universal language, it can be even more difficult as the memory sets between individuals is very disjoint. It's unlikely someone in rural Africa would be able to associate enough memories with these words to properly translate them into an accurate representation of what idea inspired these words.

Something that needs less memory to translate is more effective at universality such as instrumental music or a smile at the cost of losing precision of communication. Only very general ideas can be communicated and mostly strong emotional ideas have this universal property.

However, there is a better universal language that can be learned called channeling or telepathy. Rather than translating a metaphysical idea to a physical representation and back to an idea, an idea can be directly shared with another mind staying in it's original metaphysical structure. Because a metaphysical structure entering your mind is an exact copy, nothing is lost in translation so it is a universal language independent of memories as long as the new idea is compatible with the existing memory structure. However, it takes a certain level of mental discipline and capacity of love and trust to learn to accept and identify ideas that are beyond language from outside the mind or send ideas to another mind, and I'm still at the beginning stages of learning this skill.

I also like to imagine all the minds across time and space as connected and listening simultaneously to the same song with the ability to transmit ideas across the medium of the song beyond the memory interpretation of the song. If you want, you can listen to this song and imagine the union of your mind with all the other listeners and sending the message that nothing else matters except love and light: https://youtu.be/x7bIbVlIqEc


RE: Universal Language - IndigoSalvia - 12-22-2021

(12-22-2021, 02:02 AM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: However, there is a better universal language that can be learned called channeling or telepathy. Rather than translating a metaphysical idea to a physical representation and back to an idea, an idea can be directly shared with another mind staying in it's original metaphysical structure. Because a metaphysical structure entering your mind is an exact copy, nothing is lost in translation so it is a universal language independent of memories as long as the new idea is compatible with the existing memory structure. However, it takes a certain level of mental discipline and capacity of love and trust to learn to accept and identify ideas that are beyond language from outside the mind or send ideas to another mind, and I'm still at the beginning stages of learning this skill.

I'm curious: how are you learning telepathy?

This thread makes me think of a SMC, and how they merge and share thoughts, emotions, energy. It's fascinating to imagine how such a collective communicates. Perhaps we get a tiny little taste of it during meditation and communication with spirit guides. 

Is non-verbal communication universal, like a smile? Some people smile while saying nasty words, or lie while smiling. 

If we could reliably read one another's energies, could that be a universal language? 

My experience with music is that it has cultural and personal associations. Could there be some sounds or tones that convey universal messages? 

An ambulance, or alarm is designed to get people's attention. An animal growling is a warning. I find a gentle rain (and even a thunderstorm) soothing, but others may not. We form unique associations with sounds and tones; and we react differently to them. What about those of us who are deaf? 

I look around at this rich, vibrant, diverse 3D landscape, and each of us beings - diverse ourselves - interacting with it in unique, personal ways. Choice seems to arise from this rich diversity. And, this diversity seems so inherent to the fabric of 3D ... while we are simultaneously seeking universality. Hmmm ...  Undecided


RE: Universal Language - MonadicSpectrum - 12-22-2021

(12-22-2021, 04:37 AM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: I'm curious: how are you learning telepathy?

I'm more focused on learning channeling initially which I view as a form of telepathy albeit with non-physical entities. I do have plans for learning telepathy between two physical entities one day by finding a training partner who is also skilled at channeling and proceeding to practice sending messages across time and space and validating the accuracy of the message with physical communication.

I think this is a fairly decent introduction to plant the seed of the path of channeling: https://www.wikihow.com/Channel

I also recommend Carla's Channeling Handbook which is less about how to channel and more about how to navigate the dangers and pitfalls of channeling: https://www.llresearch.org/library/channeling-handbook

It's also helpful to begin to learn to see the mind's geometry and geography if one wants to sort out which ideas are coming from the self, which ideas are coming from an other self, which ideas are coming from the collective self, and which ideas are coming from the infinite self. When one locates each of these areas within their mind, one can also begin learning to move ideas from the self area of the mind to the other self area of the mind as a method of transmission of information.

Quote:We begin with the mental learn/teachings necessary for contact with intelligent infinity. The prerequisite of mental work is the ability to retain silence of self at a steady state when required by the self. The mind must be opened like a door. The key is silence.

Within the door lies an hierarchical construction you may liken unto geography and in some ways geometry, for the hierarchy is quite regular, bearing inner relationships.

To begin to master the concept of mental discipline it is necessary to examine the self. The polarity of your dimension must be internalized. Where you find patience within your mind you must consciously find the corresponding impatience and vice versa. Each thought that a being has, has in its turn an antithesis. The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself.

The second mental discipline is acceptance of the completeness within your consciousness. It is not for a being of polarity in the physical consciousness to pick and choose among attributes, thus building the roles that cause blockages and confusions in the already-distorted mind complex. Each acceptance smoothes part of the many distortions that the faculty you call judgment engenders.

The third discipline of the mind is a repetition of the first but with the gaze outward towards the fellow entities that it meets. In each entity there exists completeness. Thus, the ability to understand each balance is necessary. When you view patience, you are responsible for mirroring in your mental understanding, patience/impatience. When you view impatience, it is necessary for your mental configuration of understanding to be impatience/patience. We use this as a simple example. Most configurations of mind have many facets, and understanding of either self polarities, or what you would call other-self polarities, can and must be understood as subtle work.

The next step is the acceptance of the other-self polarities, which mirrors the second step.

These are the first four steps of learning mental discipline. The fifth step involves observing the geographical and geometrical relationships and ratios of the mind, the other mind, the mass mind, and the infinite mind.
https://www.lawofone.info/s/5#2


RE: Universal Language - flofrog - 12-24-2021

Thank you Monadic and Quincunx, lovely posts.

Quincunx when I read yours about the C sharp I immediately had a thought 'Beethoven', so I just checked and at least two his works are : the Moonlight Sonata...  There's also a prelude and fugue.
He has a few string quartets in C major too.