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Love is patient, Love is kind. Love is ... Meek? - Vestige - 01-27-2022

Quote:The question this evening, Q’uo, is concerning humility. We’d like to know if humility is an automatic manifestation of evolution into higher states of consciousness, or if it is a quality which must be consciously cultivated as one progresses along a spiritual path. Also, in order to enter higher states of consciousness, is humility a necessary prerequisite?

(Carla channeling)

We are those known to you as the principle of Q’uo. Greetings in the love and in the light of the one infinite Creator, in whose service we come to you this evening. It is a great privilege to be called to your circle of seeking and we are delighted to share our humble thoughts with you concerning the interesting subject of humility.

As always, however, we would preface our remarks by requesting that each of you who listens to or reads these words use your native discernment and discrimination, taking those ideas that appeal to you and working with them as you wish and leaving the rest behind. We are grateful to you for observing this, for it will enable us to share our thoughts without being concerned that we shall infringe upon your free will.

We would remark to the one known as R that although those of Latwii are speaking this evening, those of Hatonn are especially close to the one known as R and are glad to reassure the one known as R with their presence and their love. This is also true of all of the others within this circle of seeking. However, it is at the call of the one known as R that there is special care given to enhance and energize the expression of love within the energies of those of Hatonn.

We find that among your people the word “humility” has undergone the same kind of spoilage from overuse that the word “love” has undergone, so that we may say the word humility and it is assumed that everyone knows that of which we speak. However, its meaning has become blunted and scattered by the assumptions which surround the quality of humility or humbleness.

The meaning of the word is “meekness or a lack of holding to the self a sense of entitlement or importance.” It has come to mean a quality of being low in self-worth or unable to stand up for the self and these are not meanings which we wish to be inferred when we use the word humility.

It is not necessary to be humble in order to advance spiritually. The quality of humility is a quality which is enhanced by the same energies which create of the spiritually mature seeker the awareness that he is the Creator. And while this seems a paradox, the two awarenesses are two sides of one coin.

If an entity is aware of the quality of Creator-ness or Creator-hood that he has found at the very center of the depths of his heart, he is aware that this quality of Creator-ness or being part of the creative principle is specifically that which is not of the surface self. True to the task set before him to know the self and accept himself, he will necessarily and automatically have attained a genuine humility. For he has experienced the state of the small “I,” the ego self, becoming transparent before the power of unconditional love as it flows through him.

We may say that the more deeply and completely the seeker knows himself, the more humble he becomes. While this is true, it does not infer that the humility comes as a result of seeing the worst of himself and feeling rueful that so many seemingly erroneous qualities exist within him. Rather, humility comes as one is aware more and more of the true worth of the self, for that true worth lies in becoming an ever more well-tuned instrument for the spirit to play.

Thusly, there is not a speck or iota of self-abnegation or low self-worth, as this instrument would say, within true humility. For humility is not a humbleness brought about by an awareness of being an infinitely error-prone entity. The humility is an artifact of becoming aware of the great worth of the self, as error-prone as that self is.

It is often thought that humility partakes in a low opinion of the self. However, we do not believe this to be so. If one gazes at the working of the personality shell or ego-self, one can see that if there is a low self-worth, there is also a tendency to respond to this feeling of the lacks of the self by defending against notice of these lacks, or even by creating a persona or mask which compensates for these feelings, thusly resulting in an appearance of egotism or pride.

We began this session of working by saying that we offered our humble opinion, but we do not say that our opinion is humble because we feel that our thoughts have no worth. Indeed, we have chosen to share our thoughts with groups such as this one precisely because we feel we have this gift to offer to those who are seeking ways of accelerating their pace of spiritual evolution. We could even say that we pride ourselves upon our ability to communicate.

Our thoughts are humble because we know that we are messengers. We are fully aware that the virtue of what we have to say is coming through us and through this instrument, into manifestation. We, as this instrument, are instruments through which the spirit can play. And our every desire is to tune ourselves so that we may be transparent before the love and the light of the thoughts and the energies that come through us as we hold the query that you have manifested and the unspoken energies of the group that support and swirl about this query within our consciousnesses.

There are times within the life of the seeker which are more apt to contain true humility than others. At the beginning of the seeking process, whether it occurs in youth or later in life, there is the need to grapple with transformative energies. This instrument would call the process “individuation.” And within the individuation, the quality of humility is less likely to be outstanding. There is the need to move from where one has become comfortable, if not particularly content, into the unknown.

The energies that accompany this movement, shall we say, out of the cultural “box,” out of the cultural milieu, into a place of honesty, integrity and personhood in the metaphysical sense, can be tumultuous and substantially uncomfortable. Consequently, it is often the case that for the younger seeker, if there is the feeling of humility, it may contain more of that unwanted and toxic inference of low self-worth.

Consequently, at that stage of the spiritual walk, it is not recommended by us that this energy be sought. Rather, it is recommended that there be a seeking of qualities such as persistence and patience, for tenacity alone moves the seeker through those times of transformation when nothing is known and the landscape is confusing.

Think of the dark night of the soul with all of the accompanying imagery of darkness and suffering. It is perhaps a time when the qualities of bloody-mindedness and determination are at the top of desirable configurations for mind as it navigates those dark mysteries of the unknown. It is to be remembered in this wise that spiritual seeking, unlike the popular conception of it in your culture, is a tough, rough and turbulent process which this instrument has often likened to boot camp.

To move from an environment in which there is much physical motion to an environment of the spiritual in which there is no physical motion or outer expenditure of energy at all, but rather the moving into the system of great caves and grottos in which there is complete darkness, in many cases, in order to find an entirely different kind of motion and movement that is metaphysical in nature, is to place the self within an environment which can seem to be one in which, when enlightenment comes, it comes almost brutally, explosively or suddenly.

It is not always the case that this process of knowing the self in a different way has these qualities. Certainly, for some entities there is a softer, more sedate, and gentle feeling to the opening within. Yet for most, these times of transformation seem less than comfortable, although the seeker is nevertheless endlessly drawn into that darkness in which the mystery that is sought can be experienced in ways too deep for words.

However, once the seeker is past this initial surge of energy which is needed to move into the environment for further spiritual work and away from the enchantment of the physical world, the dislocation becomes less. For there is now the experience that is behind one and the seeker, when it reaches another point of crooks and shifting of the center of gravity, knows the dark night is upon him. And although there may be just as full an awareness of the discomfort of these times, there is the knowledge that he has outlasted the night and seen the dawn before, and so he shall again.

There is that level of trust in the self and in the process that is lacking the first time around. And for the maturing spiritual seeker there comes a time when, indeed, it is well to invoke humility. It is easy, as one begins to experience the delight of the spiritual path, to begin to feel that one has somehow done this all by himself. There arise energies of pride and feelings of entitlement.

This instrument has often heard the sentiment from spiritual seekers that goes something like this: “All I wish to do is the will of the Creator; consequently, I should be supported. For this is much more worthwhile than living the life of work and paying the bills.”

When those thoughts flash through the mind, it is well to invoke humility. For there is no entitlement to walking a spiritual pathThere is only the opportunity to make use of the time allotted. Previously, before the awakening occurs in a seeker, he has perhaps largely ignored the creation about him. Focusing upon those things that are meaningful to him, he has perhaps not seen that he is a part of nature or humanity or the creation. His moments have been spent with magnificent disregard for their rarity.

When a seeker begins to awaken, he begins to become aware of the opulent gift of time in incarnation. Each present moment becomes an opportunity to enter into his own awareness. And it is a heady thing to begin to take responsibility for those moments which the one known as Rick called the precious present.

We have spoken through this instrument before of the doubling effect of making the choice of polarity and then repeating that choice. Each choice made doubles the strength of that first decision, so that soon you become a far more powerful and magical entity than you were before, through the simple process of being consistent in that choice.

Similarly, when one chooses to invest oneself with the responsibility of being aware of the present and for coming into that present moment fully as an entity of love and light seeking the one Creator, seeking to be of service in that moment, the consistency with which he is able to pay attention doubles and redoubles and redoubles the strength of his awareness, until very soon that seeker is a far more powerful, magical, grounded seeker than he was before.

When one is approaching the spiritual living of a life in this wise, there is no problem with becoming proud. However, it is not always the case that the seeker has this level of awareness and this dedication to taking responsibility for the present moment. It is easy to begin to drift, as the one known as R said, “to stay on the surface and skitter along the very top of the waters of consciousness,” noting synchronicities, seeing the grand design of spiritual seeking, and having just enough understanding to move beyond the mystery and into a false sense of the world in which everything means something and there is an explanation for every coincidence.

We are not saying that the opposite is true. Rather, we are saying, as this instrument said earlier today, that sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence. When one begins to demand of every coincidence that it have a meaning, it is time to invoke humility. For it is not the object or the purpose of spiritual seeking to ascertain understanding or to become an entity who knows the answers. Rather, spiritual seeking is a process which deepens one’s appreciation of the continuing and overwhelming mystery of the one infinite Creator. It is a process which deepens one’s ability to enjoy, not merely tolerate, the many paradoxes one finds within spiritual seeking.

Thusly, since you are headed towards a great unknowing, that is, an awareness that nothing is known and that all exists by faith, there is the natural tendency to become more and more truly humble.

It is good to bend the knees before the Lord, as this instrument has said from time to time. Yet, that posture of humility is not the posture of one who feels unworthy. Rather, it is the posture of one who barely can fathom the infinite mystery of the one Creator.

When this instrument thinks of that posture, she has a tendency to think of the moment when the man in love bends his knees before the beloved and asks the privilege of becoming her partner in life. There is a reverence, even an awe, of the depth of the circumstance that fuels that bending of the knee before the beloved. And that is the same kind of energy that humility before the infinite One may bring to the seeker—not that the seeker is less, but that the joy and the wonder of being able to share the life with the beloved is an incredible privilege.

It would be our observation that there is no time within a seeker’s life, within an incarnation within third density, where he is entirely safe from the ravages of pride and arrogance. These moments of temptation shall be offered as long as the incarnational lessons play themselves out throughout the incarnation. One cannot simply assume, therefore, that because one is for the most part truly humble, one is humble within this particular moment.

Thusly, it is always helpful to retain that awareness of self that sets a warning signal going when one is having a proud moment or when one has taken upon oneself the arrogance of knowing the answer for another.

Yet, we do feel that as the spiritual journey moves forward and the spirit within becomes a more mature one within a seeker, the danger of lack of humility does fade. It does not disappear, but it becomes clearer to one, as one goes forward, when one has gotten off that beam of love and light and service to others and has become involved within the self once again.

It is interesting how those who hear wise words hear more than the words. Thusly, it is part of improving one’s service to others to police the self and to draw oneself back from arrogance and pride when one senses or sees that it has begun to encroach upon the service offered. For those to whom you speak shall hear not only the words but also the energy with which those words are offered.

Those words, therefore, shall be greatly enhanced in their efficacy as resources for those to whom you are offering your service if the breath which carries them contains that clarity that comes from true humility and the knowledge that the service is coming through one and never from one.

As we so often do, we conclude discussion of this very interesting question by noting the advantages of a daily immersion in silence. That is part of being humble before the infinite One, that willingness to stop the surface process of living and take time to listen to the Beloved who speaks in that silence in thoughts too deep for words.

We are those of Q’uo, and would ask if there is a follow-up to this query.

No, not to the main question, Q’uo.

We thank the one known as G1 and would then ask if there is another query at this time.


The concept of "meekness" has recently been present, persistently so, in my ponderings.
Some time ago, I had read that the word originated from Ancient Greek military science.  Greek soldiers would locate and capture wild horses, then take them through months of strenuous conditioning.  The conditioning was such that some of the horses would become broken and 'discarded,' and some would become strained yet be found strong enough to be used as work- or packhorses.  
The few who thrived during training were classed πρᾷος (práos), "meek," and these became the warhorses.  The horse's natural innate wildness was reigned in, literally and figuratively, such that the rider could urge the horse to gallop across the battlefield betwixt arrow and spear, or bring the horse to a stoic and still rest, each with but a gentle pull.    

This interpretation of the meek or meekness appealed to me and felt, let's say, genuine.  So, when I saw it also appealed to Q'uo, I was delighted and, indeed, awestruck by our Creator who, though mystery-clad in total, seems to peek out in these little synchronicities, these gleams of inspiration.  
I see the image of the warhorse in what they have said:
... not of the surface self
... becoming an ever more well-tuned instrument for the spirit to play
... fully aware of the virtue within
... persistence and patience, tenacity
... no entitlement, only opportunity
I prefer to imagine that despite the seeming cruelty in the displacement of the wild horse from his home, despite the brutal training war, there is authentic trust between the horse and the rider.  The rider admires the endurance, the speed, the majesty of the horse; provides the vest and armor, so as to protect the horse, and perhaps to symbolize that majesty underneath; is with the horse always in battle and, at day's dawn and day's end, provides the food, the grooming, and the soothing.  The horse and the rider become, in a sense, companions.  

I do wonder how the ancient Greek would have actually pictured the meaning of their words, for there seems to be an artful correspondence between the Greek and the English.  From Greek we also have λόγος  logos:
Quote:Strong's Concordance:

a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech
a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy.
3056 lógos (from 3004 /légō, "speaking to a conclusion")
Quote:James 3:13 (KJV)   Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
Quote:13.12, 13.7  Ra
The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned due to freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity. This was the first and primal paradox or distortion of the Law of One. Thus the one intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness

Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.
Is our Creator meek?  Intelligent infinity, fully aware of the virtue within, consciously focuses, patiently, persistently, into the Logos, infinite energy, Love, which then seized the opportunity, investing itself into ... well, all of us, all of Creation.  

And then, how is (L)ove expressed?  What does it 'look like' or 'sound like'?
Quote:27.13 Questioner: Is Love— is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom. Thus in vibratory sense love comes into light in the sense of the activity of unity in its free will. Love uses light and has the power to direct light in its distortions. Thus vibratory complexes recapitulate in reverse the creation in its unity, thus showing the rhythm or flow of the great heartbeat, if you will use this analogy.
Quote:75.32 Questioner: The three aspects of the magical personality are stated to be power, love, and wisdom. Is this correct and are all— are these the only primary aspects of the magical personality?

Ra: I am Ra. The three aspects of the magical personality, power, love, and wisdom, are so called in order that attention be paid to each aspect in developing the basic tool of the adept; that is, its self. It is by no means a personality of three aspects. It is a being of unity, being of sixth density and equivalent to what you call your higher self and, at the same time, is a personality enormously rich in variety of experience and subtlety of emotion.
The three aspects are given that the neophyte not abuse the tools of its trade but rather approach those tools balanced in the center of love and wisdom and thus seeking power in order to serve.

Quote:Strong's Concordance
Cognate: 4235 práos – meek, i.e. the necessary balance of exercising power and avoiding harshness
See 4236 (praotēs).  temperate, displaying the right blend of force and reserve
avoids unnecessary harshness, yet without compromising or being too slow to use necessary force

Love is meek.

RE: Love is patient, Love is kind. Love is ... Meek? - MonadicSpectrum - 01-28-2022

Great post, Vestige! Thanks for sharing. Smile

I've found that it is often helpful to examine what something is not to understand what something is. The opposite of humility or meekness is arrogance. Arrogance is defined as exalting one's own importance and capability to an incorrect degree. Thus, humility is placing one's own importance and capability at a correct degree.

If someone thinks they are more important than everyone else, then they are arrogant in the superior sense. If something thinks they are less important than everyone else, then they are arrogant in the inferior sense. If someone thinks they are equally important to everyone else, then they are humble.

If someone thinks they are more capable than they really are, then they are arrogant in the superior sense. If someone thinks they are less capable than they really are, then they are arrogant in the inferior sense. If someone thinks they are as capable as they really are, then they are meek.

Superior arrogance leads to intolerance, impatience, manipulation, attack, aggression, and judgmental thinking (win-lose thinking). Inferior arrogance leads to worry, low self esteem, jealousy, guilt, inauthenticity, submission, and martyrdom (lose-win thinking). Meekness leads to love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, authenticity, and assertiveness (win-win thinking).

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth [advance to fourth-density]." - Jesus

RE: Love is patient, Love is kind. Love is ... Meek? - IndigoSalvia - 01-28-2022

I am curious about when humility becomes self-doubt or unworthiness, or vice versa: unworthiness becomes humility. There seems - within me at least - to be a fine, subtle dance between these two energies that I explore from time to time.

RE: Love is patient, Love is kind. Love is ... Meek? - flofrog - 01-28-2022

(01-28-2022, 01:47 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: I am curious about when humility becomes self-doubt or unworthiness, or vice versa: unworthiness becomes humility. There seems - within me  at least - to be a fine, subtle dance between these two energies that I explore from time to time.

I think there is a moment when true humility let’s you see humility in everyone. It’s all that balance on which Ra spoke on the disciplines looking inside at patience/impatience.. etc… it’s all there together within us.

RE: Love is patient, Love is kind. Love is ... Meek? - jafar - 02-01-2022

“I have three precious things which I hold fast and prize. The first is gentleness; the second is frugality; the third is humility, which keeps me from putting myself before others. Be gentle and you can be bold; be frugal and you can be liberated; avoid putting yourself before others and you can become a leader among men.”
― Lao Tzu

And unworthiness is not humility, because:

Return to the state of plain wood
Plain wood splits, then becomes tools
The sages utilize them
And then become leaders
Thus the greater whole is undivided
― Lao Tzu

When a president become elected, is it due to the president himself? or the one who supports, donate and voted for him?
And also count the merit of those who run against him and those who supports, donate and voted for his competitor.
Without any of those, the event of 'being elected as President' cannot happened.

When a player scored a goal in a soccer match..........

You can already guessed the rest..