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RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - MonadicSpectrum - 03-30-2022 Some words of Ra for consideration about positive and negative 4th density experience, and I think it is important not to confuse the two: Quote:That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way. https://www.lawofone.info/s/16#50 Quote:The graduation into fourth-density negative is achieved by those beings who have consciously contacted intelligent infinity through the use of red, orange, and yellow rays of energy. Therefore, the planetary conditions of fourth-density negative include the constant alignment and realignment of entities in efforts to form the dominant patterns of combined energy. https://www.lawofone.info/s/38#14 RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - LeiwoUnion - 03-30-2022 I contemplated this and discerned that the confusion regarding the so called 4th density experience may come from the issue with boundaries or, rather, scope. It is not possible to be in disharmony within the self or the social memory complex of a 4th density entity, but it is quite possible, even by positive groups, to be in disharmony, or to reject the understanding regarding the Law of One, towards other entities not of 'one's own' social memory complex. This possibility brings much trouble and confusion regarding polarization in a positive sense in 4D as true service to all is not limited to one's own social memory complex but is truly towards all. Overcoming this 'group bias' is possibly the major working towards the 99% polarization and the harvest to 5th density during the 30 or so million years of 4th density experience. This is my understanding. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 03-30-2022 Quote:it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus. Exactly, it's not about conscious unification/conformity (especially forced lol), but merely acceptance of the self and other self, which is the basis harmonized consensus. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Sacred Fool - 03-30-2022 Do any of you work with 4D light? RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-30-2022 (03-30-2022, 01:09 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Do any of you work with 4D light? Not consciously on my part. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Quincunx - 03-30-2022 ------- RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - MonadicSpectrum - 03-30-2022 (03-30-2022, 01:09 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Do any of you work with 4D light? I believe that I do work with 4D light. Here is my perception of it, but please take only that which resonates. I view light as being that which illuminates reality. In 3D, there is physical light that illuminates the physical world. Due to this perception and belief in the physical world being the foundation of reality, 3D people believe that their mental experiences are separated from the mental experiences of others, and that if people aren't physically near, then they have no influence on each other. In 4D, there is mental light that illuminates the mental world. Mental experiences are found not only to be related to the physical world but also the mental world of the social memory complex. In this mental world, everyone is sending and receiving data (aka light) across all other members of the species simultaneously through the quantum networks of DNA. If someone is cold, in 3D, 3D light is used to see a physical world causing the experience of coldness. In 4D, 4D light is used to see a mental world causing the experience of interpreting the physical world as cold. When you are cold, you are connected to everyone across all time and space who is having the same sort of experience. When you are modifying your interpretation of coldness, you are influencing the interpretation of everyone else in the social memory complex. This is where the work in 4D begins. When you realize that your mind is influencing minds across all of space and time, you realize your responsibility to transform your interpretations of the physical world towards love, peace, and joy. When you are transforming your perception towards joy, you are helping the whole collective find joy. When you are choosing to allow your perception to be distorted towards anger, you are influencing the whole collective to be angry. 4D light work is about transforming your mind for the betterment of all minds. This is also why as one begins to perceive 4D light, the vibrations and thoughts of others become illuminated. Even now, to all those reading these words, our minds are connected, and just as much as you can feel my energy writing these words, I can feel your energy reading these words. And we can all feel the energy of all those other readers of these words across time and space. Let us perform some work in 4D light by sending love to all the readers with our minds. Music is also very powerful for 4D light work: RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 03-30-2022 (03-30-2022, 01:09 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Do any of you work with 4D light? Is there a reference to the basis of this as a concept, or is the individual expected to make their own interpretation? Because it sounds a bit 'new age' without context. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Sacred Fool - 03-30-2022 (03-30-2022, 10:28 PM)zedro Wrote:(03-30-2022, 01:09 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Do any of you work with 4D light? That's certainly a salient question. Myself, I was thinking of it in terms of the steps of light metaphor where we begin by being exposed to 3D light and gradually the intensity is increased until we exceed our comfort level. Then the lights are turned on--so to speak--and we see if we've been comfortable in the presence of 4D light (and suitable for a 3D Certificate of Graduation) or not. It seems to moi that this model presupposes that we are now currently working with 3D light, and that would be the reference you are seeking in the query above. But, of course, it may not be any more obvious to us what 3D light is than what 4D light is. I was just asking because I find this point fascinating, and some entities in this discussion seemed so certain about how SMCs work in 4D, so I thought I'd pose this question to see what the basis of that certainty was. If anyone claims this knowledge on the basis working with 4D energies, I'd be interested to read about it. I mean, my expectations are not immense......but you never know, you know? RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 03-31-2022 (03-30-2022, 11:56 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: I was just asking because I find this point fascinating, and some entities in this discussion seemed so certain about how SMCs work in 4D, so I thought I'd pose this question to see what the basis of that certainty was. If anyone claims this knowledge on the basis working with 4D energies, I'd be interested to read about it. I would theorize it's more accurate to say it's working with/through 5th and 6th light centers, which may perhaps be enhanced with the new 4d energies, but most certainly mostly defined through the Ra material and Quo. I think what we are seeing here is what our peoples may refer to as, "opinions" ...but who knows, I'm just not certain that 4d can cognitively be defined while in 3d, or it could be like trying to remember a dream. For myself, the channeled material sets the baseline definitions and characterizations, and my (seemimgly/hopefully) growing intuitive capacity for discernment through meditation work and psychic working connection with my 'helpers' at least help contextualize aspects, but as to what it'll actually be like experience wise I believe I only can conceive the early development via the more intense psychic exchanges I've had. But as far as what would define a positive vs negative SMC, or a confused interpreted version thereof, can simply be taken from adequate discernment of the material, which is easily defined as we've seen from some quotes recently brought forth here. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 03-31-2022 (03-30-2022, 01:09 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Do any of you work with 4D light? I've had an awakening yes, and Q'uo mentions that anyone who has had this experience has temporarily lived in 4th density. I'm still adjusting to this new way of being and hope that it will become a more stable level of consciousness "eventually". I can only talk from experience and it's not that I'm so sure how a 4th density positive works, it's more that I've had experiences that were vivid and clear and once the heart becomes activated, the way of viewing the world becomes very different. I believe it becomes easier to see after an awakening how 4th density positive would work. And like zedro says, it's easy enough to discern the material available to get an idea of what 4D could be like. That's where my view comes from RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Sacred Fool - 03-31-2022 How do you suppose you might be working with 3D light even now as you read this post and consider its meaning? It's an interesting question, isn't it? RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 03-31-2022 Healing, processing and accepting catalyst and being aware Yourself? RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Diana - 03-31-2022 (03-30-2022, 11:56 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Do any of you work with 4D light?... From what I have been observing lately in the people around me, including myself, it's as if the 4D light is overriding the 3D light. What I mean by this is that the qualities of 4D light are forcing us to expand what we work with, as we have been working with 3D light all our lives just by virtue of being here in a 3D environment. How we have worked with that light varies from person to person. Some people who are more conscious work more consciously with it, some who are adepts have mastered it, some have just been reacting reacting. 4D light to me would highlight things such as transparency, compassion for all (not just the "tribe"), and polarization. The quality of transparency is what I see really affecting the people around me, wherein unprocessed catalysts are surfacing to be dealt with going back to childhood or even other lives, self-truths are being presented, and I find that being in denial is getting harder for many. Polarization is certainly being highlighted in the world. I see compassion as the least understood concept in the world, or most confused, due to tribalism. The way I try to work with any catalyst is acceptance and to not resist what comes up, and go from there with as much self-honesty as I can muster. As far as working with light, that must, for me, come after laying the groundwork of self-honesty and acceptance, otherwise one is still in the darkness and the light can't get in. Then, staying in that state of acceptance, free will for all, and compassion for all is the way I work with that light, although I see it more as my own evolution. How do you work with it Sacred Fool? RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Sacred Fool - 04-01-2022 First, I would ask myself, "Looking at my life, am I involved in learning the lessons of 3D or 4D?" https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1997/0223 Wrote:The entity moves up the stairway until the intensity of light becomes uncomfortable. If that stair step is in fourth-density light, the entity goes on to lessons within that density. If the entity stops short of that demarcation and is remaining within third density then the self and its guidance develop a plan for the next incarnation. Personally, I feel that I'm settled in my choice to serve the Creatrix and my fellow entities (notwithstanding my occasional rowdy outburst) and that my life now is, indeed, dedicated to learning lessons of the next density. So, that would put me one step towards working with 4D light. But am I living responsibly in a 4D sense and using the 4D light now available for virtuous purposes? Or am I missing that opportunity? https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2007/0211 Wrote:The fourth density is the density of love. But it is also called the density of understanding. What is happening to entities now is that that which is in their thoughts and in their unexamined assumptions is being mirrored out to them in everyday life for them to see clearly. They no longer have so much of a cushion of easy untruth because if they are awakening spiritually there are forces within them that have determined and intended to challenge those unspoken assumptions which are not serving the greater good. Yeah, I would say that I am actually reveling in the deeper responsibility to be clear and giving and honest, to seek ever more deeply and to serve ever more deeply. So, in some sense I believe I am working with 4D light to become as luminescent as I can in order to serve. Of course--ahem--this may not be immediately apparent by viewing my internet posts...but I do the best I can. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - LeiwoUnion - 04-01-2022 I many times read these passages and think that it all sounds so complicated, orderly, like an infinitely complex ritual of serving others, finding love in each interaction and moment. I've come to the conclusion that it's the language. When I withraw within, I 'see' these concepts with my spirit; it is the simplest thing in the universe, for it is the nature of the Creat-insertpropersuffix, nature of us, nature of One. When I'm back, I can only remember it was easy and simple, but again begin to get confused by our language constructs. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 04-01-2022 I feel compassion for all. I see what might be maelstrom, and yet, and yet we do all we can. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 04-01-2022 (04-01-2022, 05:48 AM)flofrog Wrote: I feel compassion for all. I see what might be maelstrom, and yet, and yet we do all we can. Well, we always knew that the end of third density was going to be turbulent, and it sure looks like the mercury is rising globally... Ra Wrote:There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation. Each and everyone of us will just have to navigate according to our own inner compasses. Have you made any progress with that book? RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 04-01-2022 (04-01-2022, 07:30 AM)YinYang Wrote:(04-01-2022, 05:48 AM)flofrog Wrote: I feel compassion for all. I see what might be maelstrom, and yet, and yet we do all we can. Are you asking moi Indigo ? I am onto a new book, just great but french it’s titled in french, In the Friendship of a Mountain by Pascal Bruckner, sinfully beautiful. Sorry to detail this thread more… RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 04-01-2022 (04-01-2022, 01:42 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: I many times read these passages and think that it all sounds so complicated, orderly, like an infinitely complex ritual of serving others, finding love in each interaction and moment. I've come to the conclusion that it's the language. When I withraw within, I 'see' these concepts with my spirit; it is the simplest thing in the universe, for it is the nature of the Creat-insertpropersuffix, nature of us, nature of One. When I'm back, I can only remember it was easy and simple, but again begin to get confused by our language constructs. Me too. Especially in meditation and still, quiet moments, I have brief sensations of blissful clarity -- and it's simple, as you say. Then, I slip back into the veiled existence where it is foggy. And, my language and conceptual constructs seem so constraining, inadequate to express the nature of Oneness. This physical reality is so thick and so easy for me to get lost within, or perhaps succumb to. This veil - this 3D system (language, concepts, organization, narratives, stories, characters/roles, etc.) - is replete with illusions of separation. I often feel like I have one foot in the physical and one foot in the spiritual, trying to be in both simultaneously. I have no certain knowledge if I am working with 3D and/or 4D energies. I feel like I am working with 4D. My only "proof" (for myself) is this spontaneous, boundless and unfettered love within me in unexpected moments, where there previously was none within me. Or, this overwhelming love seems to be displacing pockets of anger, suspicion, fear, judgment, etc. within me. And, I follow the role model that is this Great Love. Perhaps in pursuit of it, I then look for it in more unexpected places and moments I encounter. And, when I look for it, I find it. Or, when I seek it, alas, there it is ... it is manifest. This I understand as the Creator/Creation-ship in each and all of us. It is a seamless moment, an instantaneous moment of seeking/manifesting. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 04-01-2022 flofrog Wrote:Are you asking moi Indigo ?Lol, all good. No I was just wondering about the other one we briefly discussed in this thread, but that's a discussion for another thread. flofrog Wrote:Sorry to detail this thread more… Well conversation is organic after all, so it's always going to involve some detours. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 04-01-2022 From the most recent channeling of Quo (https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2022/0309): Quote:The primary difference between this thought-battle and what you may experience in third density known as war, and the concept of bellicosity, is an attitude available to those of fourth density that allows these entities to see the Creator within those whom they are defending against. And thus, the actions that they take are based primarily within the green ray of universal love—that love being manifested as protection against enslavement and the preservation of free will. Quo indicates that it is not likely, but possible, for 3D entities engaging in battle to do so with an attitude of unity. Quote:And when bellicosity finds itself manifest within the third density, there is much more catalyst for the third-density entity to work with in terms of discovering the heart of self and how love has been blocked, how conditions have been raised because of the illusion of separation and its strength within the third density. It is through this illusion, and through the ways that it manifests in response to things like bellicosity, that such circumstances, as dire and significant as they are within the third density, may hold the key to opening of the heart and of discovering a higher nature of service to others for the positive individual. I consider how war -- not just this current war, but also many forms of interpersonal aggression -- highlights blockages within me. When I am able to be silent and pay attention to subtleties, I become aware of prickly little things (thoughts, emotions, energies) that perhaps, would not otherwise surface. Prickly little things that are uncomfortable for me. I suppose it is an honor/duty to look at these uncomfortable things as they surface, and consciously choose from many options. How have you noticed things -- perhaps long-forgotten or buried things, or seemingly unrelated things -- surfacing? RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 04-02-2022 Yesterday I reread the 62nd session of Ra. https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/ra-contact/62#29 "62.29 You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green-color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know, precisely, how to maintain the illusion that fourth density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third density. Thus in fourth density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation, along with the blue and the indigo." Ra's answer here is more like Max Handel's theory (about the seven globes). And not on the elements of psychotherapy that are discussed in this thread. Or I don't understand something... RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Quincunx - 04-02-2022 ------- RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 04-02-2022 "...As you are aware of in your own environment here those in the Astral form are at such a density that they can pass right through any of your third dimensional objects or persons without even being felt..." This is a common event in a lucid dream. I have walked through the walls more than once myself (in a lucid dream)) And in general, in an altered state of consciousness, the world is perceived with completely different laws than in daytime reality. Unfortunately, we have not yet been able to extract something useful from such states in the inner worlds. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - tadeus - 04-02-2022 Behind NATO’s ‘Cognitive Warfare’: ‘Battle for Your Brain’ Waged by Western Militaries RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 04-02-2022 (04-01-2022, 04:59 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: From the most recent channeling of Quo (https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2022/0309): I think so too IS, it is related often in multiple accounts of war events how soiidarity rises, extraordinary kindness acts and sometimes between enemies' nullifying in some ways temporarily the war action, parallel in some way to the buddhist saying that your enemy is your teacher. my dad was a political/hostage prisoner during WW2 in a camp in Austria, and at the end of the war the German captain would let the door of his office opened at night so my dad with two friends could listen to the bbc radio and learn the progress from D Day. When the camp was freed by the Americans, my dad and other prisoners pleaded for the safety of the camp captain who was to be executed, as were the orders at the time, by the liberating army. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 04-03-2022 Things are never just black & white. Here's an interview with Nina Khrushcheva, the great great-granddaughter of Joseph Stalin's successor, sharing her insights. Quote:[url=https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/nina-khrushcheva-on-putins-poisonous-nationalism-and-a-new-new-russia][/url] RE: 12/21/2012: David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. What does it all mean? - Diana - 04-05-2022 I think people are searching for truth, and it reminds me of this quote: "Truth is so obscure in these times, and falsehood so established, that, unless we love the truth, we cannot know it. — Blaise Pascal The idea of free will is very much a part of the Confederation and Ra material. Free will equates to freedom. Without truth, how can there be freedom? There is also the idea of acceptance. Acceptance in my view does not mean giving into that which one does not agree with. One may not agree with war but accept that it is part of this world at this time; this does not mean one would then fall into the ideology of war. It's the underlying concept of division, separation, lack of acceptance (in a tribal fashion which would include profiteering) and compassion that drive war, and one can accept as an observer that humanity is still in this general consciousness. The real separation that is facing us, as far as I can tell, is not Russia vs. Ukraine (although I do not in any way mean to diminish the suffering of any country engaged in war); rather it is the global powers vs. the citizens of this planet being controlled by them (basically STS vs. STO). The story is one country vs. another, or democracy vs. other regimes, but I think it is easily seen that that is BS (one look at the US and its history of covert military involvements and resource manipulation of poor countries exposes that convoluted mess). There may be a balance between focusing on how to help suffering and understanding what help is, as in the Ra quote below. To gain that rarified balance, one may be seeking truth in the morass, or maelstrom, of the current human condition, especially in these times of massive censorship and propaganda. Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 04-05-2022 (04-05-2022, 10:26 AM)Diana Wrote: I think people are searching for truth, and it reminds me of this quote: Upon reading the bolded question, I explored what my own personal concept of truth is. And, I'm curious about others' concepts of truth. I have two sets of truths (that I can see at this moment).
Reconciling these truths, for me, can be a bit lofty and intangible as I walk through this catalyst-rich, veiled 3D world. Here, I see that our individual truths vary greatly, and thus, manifest a diverse creation ... a creation that we each, as creators, contribute to. Together, our collective truths create a planetary-wide tapestry: all of our different threads weaving together. This notion leads me to another point you make. (04-05-2022, 10:26 AM)Diana Wrote: The real separation that is facing us, as far as I can tell, is not Russia vs. Ukraine (although I do not in any way mean to diminish the suffering of any country engaged in war); rather it is the global powers vs. the citizens of this planet being controlled by them (basically STS vs. STO). I tend to agree: we are stepping out of a personality which identifies us as a citizen of (and allegiance to) one country or another; and perhaps into a broader personality which identifies us as a citizen of the universe, or cosmos. The boundaries - the once-clear categories that define one group from another group - may be starting to dissolve. As these boundaries dissolve, there is a much broader sense of family. When I see myself as a member of this vast family of beings (upon and beyond this Earth), my perspective shifts. I see that I truly can not change any of my family members' perspectives, I can only love each of us as we are, where we are. This is where I see my true power being: in loving each and all of us exactly as we are, warts and all. If an opportunity arises before me to 'feed a starving person' (or help in physical ways), I will certainly attempt to do so since we are of 3D. But there is much suffering beyond my physical abilities to help. And, here I have encountered powerlessness ... and its opposite, powerfulness. I find that love is my greatest 'power'. Expressing love in meditation, visualization, quiet intention is the most accessible and greatest gift I can give. And, I see this sharing of love playing out on many small stages within our daily lives. And the big stage - the global power stage - is lessening in its presence in our hearts and minds. |