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RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 04-05-2022 While thinking about war, the current state of our planet and the possible emergence of 4th density positive as we see the end of this 3rd density, I had these thoughts and it came as a flash of insight. As we look around, we see many countries that could be classed as part of the "super power club". But on many levels they all seem to of cancelled each other out, with their nuclear missiles which have no purpose except for pure destruction that even the users would have little idea of the true impact of using one. It's like every country is locked in a stalemate of sorts, because from what we've seen as a population, if a country has the opportunity to conquer another country or region in some way for its own benefit, it often times does so. Yet in our current day and age it's very hard for these countries to polarise through the use of slaughter. Number 1, it's just not that easy to enter another country anymore without treading on another country's motives/toes. Number 2, the population of earth are growing increasingly tired of war and the excuses that countries use to create them. Of course we are still seeing the war on minds that the media create, the brainwashing and symbolism of black magic still perpetuates our societies at present, yet nearly all aware now whether they believe it or not that there are powers that be that operate in secret and falsity, and just to be aware and know of these things means they lose there impact on us over time. So it seems the governments will still use these means and tactics for a while yet, but these are very subtle and nowhere near as debilitating as the effects of war. Basically, my point is, could the end of this STS 3rd density looking planet at current, end in a stalemate where multiple governments realise they can polarise no further by perpetuating war and terror, and instead all strive to become self sustainable and technologically advanced to cure all diseases as we see many governments switch polarity through the increase of 4D energies on the planet? Or will we see these governments crumble and get left behind, as we see them become more delusional as they refuse to change their ways while other countries pick up on the positive way, becoming stronger through the power of love and increasing their technological advancements for the benefit of its people while striving to provide fresh food, clean water and normal unpolluted air to all who inhabit their country. It just seems to me now, that yes the current war in Ukraine is awful and truly heartbreaking, but that now and for the future our governments are being left with a choice for themselves. Kind of like a 6th density negative entity does, where they will have to decide if they continue with their current ways and realise they can polarise no further while dealing with the prospect of accumulating enormous bad karma from their past actions, or make the switch towards positivity and the betterment of all. It's like through all of their negativity, they've created their own limitations on polarising, and I can only see these limitations becoming more extreme. Do you guys think we will see them (the governments) hitting a brick wall very soon and have to make this choice? Do you guys think that they will be faced with this choice, ever? I can't see any other conclusion myself. p.s the flash of insight I had is much more clear in my mind, I've tried to put it into words here as best as I can but what I've said is a bit scrambled and I see it's hard to see where insight was had lol. However, I've done my best ![]() RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 04-05-2022 (04-05-2022, 01:28 PM)aWanderer91 Wrote: While thinking about war, the current state of our planet and the possible emergence of 4th density positive as we see the end of this 3rd density, I had these thoughts and it came as a flash of insight. Ha! ![]() That is interesting. At the level of countries, reaching a ceiling or as far as they can go with negative polarization. From a rational perspective, a STS being must reach 99% STS to graduate to 4D negative. It's almost an 'all in or fold' situation. Is there an "off ramp" (as used in the Khrushcheva interview above) when one of us seeks 99% STS? I can also see a stalemate type of situation, or a game of chicken at the country-to-country level, or groupings of countries level. If memory serves, I believe Ra indicated that typically, wanderers do not seek out powers of position in governments, or something like that. What I'm getting at is: Do those few of us who are in power over the billions of us, have our planet's (our global population as a whole) spiritual best interest in the forefront of their mind? With 4D loving energies infusing our planet and us, we -- each and every one of the 8 billion of us -- have available to us more and more love, compassion and understanding/acceptance. I wonder if it will be a mixed bag of what you describe, given the diversity of types of governments and their powers, as well as the diversity of the 8 billion of us. What would it look like if people and our governments became infused with 4D love? If these organizations (of few decision-makers for the many) began choosing to seek and manifest STO love? Would governments, as they currently function, become obsolete? What would rise up in their absence? How would our day-to-day lives be? A being can dream ... RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 04-05-2022 It's very interesting to think how the future may look, given the current outlook that doesn't look great by any means. But one can't help but see a stalemate taking place, I believe we're already seeing one as many countries make threats but it's hard if not impossible to make a move on these threats as most countries are packing the same "punching power" most of the time. And of course the stalemate concept only applies to countries versus countries, it doesn't stop a government going to war on its own people (psychologically mainly) and we already see this happening. The planet is stalling massively, spiritual teachers have been saying this for many years and the wanderers are here not only for the advancement of themselves and for their social memory complex, as we know it's a special time when a planet is moving onto the next density, but they are mainly here to help alleviate the karmic load that was just too huge for the natural inhabitants of earth to bare. The catalyst and enormous planetary karma that wanderers have taken on is extremely heroic. My point is, are we seeing the last remnants of service to self actions in the Ukraine war? Could this be the turning point, time is really running out for this planet and not to spread messages of doom but it's more of a reality now than ever that we don't have much time left to get things right. Amongst many other planetary issues, we're now facing the prospect of massive food shortages in the decades to come. I believe we're meant to be producing 40% less food in the next 20 years (I could be wrong on the percentage but I know it's close) and this is either "just a thought" we can allow to bubble around in our minds or something we have to take extremely seriously and take action to negate the issues this would cause. To think of the havoc this would cause makes the worse of wars in the past look rather miniscule in comparison. We can do it, we have the creativity to solve every issue on this planet if our thoughts, feelings and actions become imbued with love. And on the concept of how governments will look in the years to come and if our governments move to STO IndigoSalvia, I believe the current structure will move from beings of authority seemingly dictating our lives, to representative's of humanity who will operate from respect of free will and on behalf of the population as a whole ![]() RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 04-06-2022 Diana Wrote:The real separation that is facing us, as far as I can tell, is not Russia vs. Ukraine (although I do not in any way mean to diminish the suffering of any country engaged in war); rather it is the global powers vs. the citizens of this planet being controlled by them (basically STS vs. STO). The story is one country vs. another, or democracy vs. other regimes, but I think it is easily seen that that is BS (one look at the US and its history of covert military involvements and resource manipulation of poor countries exposes that convoluted mess). Yup....the story is the oldest story of our species, greed and selfishness, and in the case of entire nations, it's the story of collective greed and collective selfishness, for all players involved. On the Russian side you have Putin with an estimated personal wealth of $100 billion... but of course, he's only one side of the coin. Here's Jonathan Pie, a British comedian, explaining (at least part of) this convoluted mess quite succinctly. Apologies for the language. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Diana - 04-06-2022 Regarding Jonathan Pie's video above, I like the way he lays out the Ukraine invasion from the specific point of view of the UK, exposing the oligarchs and corruption and greed—which is yet another example of worldwide elite control and corruption. We have been so trained, especially in the last two years, to see any dissent from the official narratives as "conspiracy theory" that even as I type these words I get a little cringe that I will be taken the wrong way no matter how carefully I word things. According to Ra, when STS entities offer their service, STO entities may simply "not accept" the service. Well, I don't accept my freedoms being taken away (and I haven't since 911 and the "homeland security" protocols put in place), wars being staged for profit and control, billions being made from the pandemic, and all the other covert agendas those in power implement to maintain their positions and wealth. If anyone has practical suggestions on how to "not accept the service" from STS (entities, governments and the businesses enmeshed with them), I would love to hear them. What I mean by practical is, the best example I can think of: Paying taxes that fund wars (killing). Do you pay taxes? How do you justify paying taxes that fund wars? Nevermind how the tax money and profits from wars enrich certain entities—but the idea of contributing to war/killing/maiming/suffering with money you pay in taxes, because there is no getting around that. And I find things like this to be conundrums difficult to resolve. Blessing the money you pay in taxes does not, in my mind, negate the fact that those taxes have actually been an "acceptance" of the STS services. Thoughts? RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 04-06-2022 (04-06-2022, 10:21 AM)Diana Wrote: ...Paying taxes that fund wars (killing). Do you pay taxes? How do you justify paying taxes that fund wars?... On my part, I do my best to spread the news that the concept of money is obsolete. People have been thinking of ways to fix the issues with money, but in the end it's simply not a workable concept (for STO endeavours). Instead, we will need something like this: https://eosprojects.com/fairness-and-energy-accounting.html RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 04-06-2022 (04-06-2022, 10:21 AM)Diana Wrote: Nevermind how the tax money and profits from wars enrich certain entities—but the idea of contributing to war/killing/maiming/suffering with money you pay in taxes, because there is no getting around that. And I find things like this to be conundrums difficult to resolve. Blessing the money you pay in taxes does not, in my mind, negate the fact that those taxes have actually been an "acceptance" of the STS services. Blessing money is not required (misplaced focus on the material) and paying taxes is not akin to accepting the STS service. One just needs to be aware of the issue and understand it enough to accept it's nature as catalyst, and that's about it. We are subject to certain 'environmental ' factors that we cannot fully control, for many existing outside of these structures is a luxury. So we make choices when we can. Sometimes I'll get all worked up about recycling materials and how 90% gets tossed anyways, and the remainder has questionable environmental benefits, but then I have to remind myself of the big picture: the situation is temporary, an illusion for catalyst that will be turned around...the planet is not going anywhere and will be healed. Does that mean I can throw my trash out in the street? Of course not, because there are still appropriate ways of living and conducting ourselves, but I think we should not get carried away trying to validate every thought and action, as that is also a trick/catalyst of the STS to keep people in fear/guilt/shame/grief states...create the illusion of a perfect way of living that is unattainable and keep people attached to that lie. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 04-06-2022 Diana Wrote:to see any dissent from the official narratives as "conspiracy theory" that even as I type these words I get a little cringe that I will be taken the wrong way no matter how carefully I word things. Lol, well after a lengthy sojourn into conspiracy land a very, very long time ago, I have since avoided them like the plague, so I don't have any answers for you. Gosh, just look at the recent QAnon craziness... ~ now I will just hope and pray there are no die-hard QAnoners lurking around... ~ RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 04-06-2022 (04-06-2022, 10:21 AM)Diana Wrote: Regarding Jonathan Pie's video above, I like the way he lays out the Ukraine invasion from the specific point of view of the UK, exposing the oligarchs and corruption and greed—which is yet another example of worldwide elite control and corruption. We have been so trained, especially in the last two years, to see any dissent from the official narratives as "conspiracy theory" that even as I type these words I get a little cringe that I will be taken the wrong way no matter how carefully I word things. I personally don't see this as accepting the service to self services, I think it's a matter of perspective. I (we) was born into a strong system, what we can do to change that (e.g changing paying taxes) with immediate effect is very little. However in the long run, with our love and light, I have a sincere belief that these things can be dismantled. When I pay taxes, I see it as something I have to do for the time being to get by, the only other option is not to work. So I do what I have to do (pay taxes), to do what I want to do, which is to have the freedom of having money and be able to do what I want in the world. What the service to self beings choose to do with the money of taxes is on them, it is their karma and they will have to bare the brunt of that. The fact that I was born into this system, being only a child who was slowly finding my way in the world as I became an adult, doesn't exactly give the service to self beings any power on my part. It's not like they have 1uped me in anyway, I don't have a choice for the time being but to pay these taxes. What I do have a choice to do is work, earn money, spend time with my family and friends, find and do hobbies that I love and pay attention to the fact that here in the UK our taxes are also paid to give us a free healthcare system. This is a privilege very few are offered in the world. Of course, it sounds like my argument is still ignorant of the fact that the service to self beings use this money for war also, but the power I give to these taxes that fund these things is the power they also have to use this money with as much power as possible. Money is energy, after all, and blessing the money may not help but giving power to the concept of "if I continue to pay taxes then look at all this power they have to do awful things" makes a huge difference in my view. It semi holds a victim mentality, very subtly so but I believe it's there. It gives the money and them enormous weight to play with. Thank you for your sharing and please question further if I'm being ignorant in anyway ![]() RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 04-06-2022 (04-06-2022, 12:27 PM)YinYang Wrote: Gosh, just look at the recent QAnon craziness... Well now you have me curious as to what you mean lol RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 04-06-2022 Uh-oh....the silence is deafening. I feel a little like Chris Rock must have felt when Will Smith was making his way up the Oscars stage.... ![]() PS.....and there I did it again, typed over my previous post. I should really get the hang of this new forum... Ukraines crisis has reminded me of this very ancient cemetery by the Black Sea - 3-24-2022 - 04-08-2022 The Varna necropolis is thought to be the oldest one ever discovered. I've always been interested in learning about what items ancient humans valued. Carnelian and gold, along with lapis lazuli seem to have been popular. Theres no lapis here but lots of gold and carnelian. I remember reading about this place a long time ago and being very intrigued and quite surprised it was never mentioned in anything I read until I searched for where the oldest known tombs are Varna Necropolis - Wikipedia some of this documentary might not be entirely academic but there are plenty of videos about this place. The Mysteries of Black Sea Atlantis - The hidden knowledge of Varna Civilization. - YouTube RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - unity100 - 04-21-2022 (03-30-2022, 12:57 AM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: Some words of Ra for consideration about positive and negative 4th density experience, and I think it is important not to confuse the two: Right... And what happens when an entity insists that something is "His/her freedom" and refuses to participate in the harmonizing of his behavior... (03-31-2022, 10:48 AM)Diana Wrote: 4D light to me would highlight things such as transparency, compassion for all (not just the "tribe"), and polarization. The quality of transparency is what I see really affecting the people around me, wherein unprocessed catalysts are surfacing to be dealt with going back to childhood or even other lives, self-truths are being presented, and I find that being in denial is getting harder for many. Polarization is certainly being highlighted in the world. I see compassion as the least understood concept in the world, or most confused, due to tribalism. Yes, as 4d vibrations propagate, thoughts, energies and subconscious become more accessible. And the 'density of understanding' trait of 4d starts to kick in. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 04-21-2022 (04-21-2022, 10:38 PM)unity100 Wrote:(03-30-2022, 12:57 AM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: Some words of Ra for consideration about positive and negative 4th density experience, and I think it is important not to confuse the two: You completely don't understand the quote.....what don't you get about "individual differences"? It means you DON'T have to harmonize behavior, except that everyone accepts each other and doesn't infringe on the other, that's what free will is. Negative polarity: control or "normalize standard acceptable behavior". Not trying to convince you BTW, this is for others. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - unity100 - 04-22-2022 (04-21-2022, 11:24 PM)zedro Wrote:(04-21-2022, 10:38 PM)unity100 Wrote:(03-30-2022, 12:57 AM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: Some words of Ra for consideration about positive and negative 4th density experience, and I think it is important not to confuse the two: Nope, you don't notice the contradiction hidden in the proposition you made: If you have a 'harmonize behavior' that 'automatically harmonizes' you to the will of the greater group, then it means that you basically don't have free will as you people describe it. Since you can't choose anything that would go against the combined will of the greater group. And if you do not have it and you and you disagree with the greater group, then you have a conflict in your hands. Quote:Negative polarity: control or "normalize standard acceptable behavior". Its not. Its exploiting others for your gain. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Sacred Fool - 04-22-2022 (04-22-2022, 07:10 PM)unity100 Wrote: Nope, you don't notice the contradiction hidden in the proposition you made: The way I read this, I may have a pronounced difference with someone, but we can remain in harmony. To me, harmony does not connote conformity. A lake is not a mountain, yet they avoid being in conflict with one another. Why should harmony mean "...that you basically don't have free will as you people describe it." Why would a state of harmony not be a state of acceptance of diversity while acting respectfully together? If all agree to open their hearts to one another as they do to the one Creatrix, and accept their distinctions, then there is harmony and no abrogation of free will, so far as I can see. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 04-22-2022 I take Ra's quote to simply mean that beings are more themselves, creating a wide variation in personalities yet through acceptance of each other, harmony naturally pervades. "Group consensus" has less to do with conformity, and more to do with acceptance of each other. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - LeiwoUnion - 04-23-2022 Let me offer my understanding as it formed into a simplified example. You as a 'novice' 4D entity enjoy fire very much. You get the idea that it would look great to light your neigbour's house on fire. All thoughts are visible. You see the acceptance from others for your idea but as you see your neighbour, you notice a sliver of sadness over them as they come into acceptance over their house possibly being destroyed. All know it'll be built again and that it's just material but the energetic connection to places cannot be helped at times. You would be the cause of this sadness. You do not want to cause sadness in any way, even to the detriment of your potentially glorious experience of fire. You choose by your free will to build a bonfire as a compromise, because of your new understanding. The group is truly you. When thoughts and intentions are visible to all, and when the needle of the compass of seeking is pointing to the same direction by all harmony forms automatically. This is possible even though free will is maintained, because there is no confusion between group members which are just individualized portions of greater you. This is my understanding. RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 04-23-2022 (04-22-2022, 07:10 PM)unity100 Wrote:(04-21-2022, 11:24 PM)zedro Wrote:(04-21-2022, 10:38 PM)unity100 Wrote:(03-30-2022, 12:57 AM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: Some words of Ra for consideration about positive and negative 4th density experience, and I think it is important not to confuse the two: Control is the gain, there doesn't need to be a 3d aspect of 'gains', the control is spiritual based. And if the greater group demands your submission, then that is a negatively based SMC. It's that simple. The positive group just wants to love you unconditionally, and one would reflect that back. The positive group is not worried about the 3d aspects, they let it go. Everything you describe is negatively polarized based. That's what your favorite totalitarian governments represent (pretty much all major countries). That's why they get conformity through force, physical or otherwise. You keep arguing about forming an SMC, but constantly ignore the polarity, because you are locked into the negative principals of control. This is basic first distortion stuff. Anyways enough of going in circles.... RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - tadeus - 05-01-2022 This article is related to Covid too: War was always going to be needed to enforce ‘The Great Reset’ RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - unity100 - 05-06-2022 (04-23-2022, 07:54 AM)zedro Wrote: And if the greater group demands your submission, then that is a negatively based SMC. It's that simple. You cant even be in a 4d positive smc, leave aside 4d without being someone who prioritizes and 'auto-submits' to the group at least 51% more than acting by yourself. That's what is simple. Quote:The positive group just wants to love you unconditionally, and one would reflect that back. The positive group is not worried about the 3d aspects, they let it go. That doesn't make sense. Quote:Everything you describe is negatively polarized based. That's what your favorite totalitarian governments represent (pretty much all major countries). That's why they get conformity through force, physical or otherwise. You keep arguing about forming an SMC, but constantly ignore the polarity, because you are locked into the negative principals of control. This is basic first distortion stuff. Sorry, but its hard to form a coherent proposition from your sentences. ... Neither 4d nor the rest of the higher densities are children's playgrounds in which entitled, self-focused children can enjoy unconditional love irrelevant of their choices. Such a concept only exists in contemporary American Christian-leaning spiritual literature. It does not exist in any of the historical or contemporary major spiritual philosophies, movements, and literature. |