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RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-14-2022

And the most interesting thing in my opinion is when Ra answers Don's next question. And he says that Don confirms or refutes the information already known to him (Don) with his questions and Ra considers it appropriate. If you look at the Ra Materials from a bird's-eye view, it's not bad to see. Both Carla and Don are very educated people with a wide range of interests (as I see it now), so Don's questions affect many aspects of a person's life. But unfortunately, not all people are familiar, for example, with serious research in the field of esotericism of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with esoteric organizations that existed at that time. And this is only part of the history and research.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-14-2022

(03-14-2022, 06:45 AM)Vasilisa Wrote: Yes, it is interesting that Ra gives an example of negative polarity pointing to the literary hero Taras Bulba. Many readers of the Law of One stumble over this "threshold")), but my personal opinion is that Gogol described a real character.

Are we definitely assuming that Ra was referring to Gogol's Taras Bulba, or is there any possibility that Ra was referring to this guy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Bulba-Borovets#:~:text=Taras%20Dmytrovych%20Borovets%20(Ukrainian%3A%20%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81,nom%20de%20guerre%20Taras%20Bulba.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-14-2022

I pray for the people of Russia and Ukraine to remain loving in these trying times. To keep faith that all will be well whatever the illusion is showing you.

If one wishes to attach to a narrative, then I suggest attaching to the narrative that the Confederation has been sharing with us. This will bring peace into your heart and from there peace will manifest in our collective "reality".


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-14-2022

(03-14-2022, 08:00 AM)Patrick Wrote: I pray for the people of Russia and Ukraine to remain loving in these trying times. To keep faith that all will be well whatever the illusion is showing you.

If one wishes to attach to a narrative, then I suggest attaching to the narrative that the Confederation has been sharing with us. This will bring peace into your heart and from there peace will manifest in our collective "reality".

Just the old story of imperialism. Imagine if the US & Russia used their seemingly endless military budgets to improve the lives of their own citizens.

[Image: 800px-Military_Expenditures_by_Country_2...0622004509]


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-14-2022

The scarcity our world experiences is by choice and has been for more than a century. When the collective engages their energies with one side or another in matters of budgeting, we help maintain the artificial scarcity. The solution is to realise that the concept of budgeting is obsolete, so there is no reason to argue on the budget, rather we let go of this concept and we move on to the next level.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-14-2022

(03-14-2022, 10:15 AM)Patrick Wrote: rather we let go of this concept and we move on to the next level.

I glanced very briefly at the link you shared. I've seen these utopian movements before, Jacque Fresco and the Venus project comes to mind.

I remind you that Atlantis was a very technologically advanced society with a very efficient societal structure and government, and look how that ended... because we are a mixed polarity society.

I'm all for these attempts, and I applaud them, one can only dream.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-14-2022

Let's all cut off our thumbs!

Ra Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. It is correct that the Logos designed Its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. It is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the Logos. This form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. The choice of the Logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced.

My black humour on this late Monday afternoon, in case it doesn't come across as such in the written word...


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-14-2022

That is the only reason such systems are not already in use today. Wink

We let ourselves be convinced by the Elites (by our current system) that those other ways are utopic, just a dream, unrealistic, etc...

That is my meaning when I say that our scarcity is by choice. We continue believing that money and budgets are worth talking about. Our politicians presents us with "options" of where spending should go.

Just realizing internally that choosing one of their false choices is how we continue giving our energy (our approval) is what keeps this alive.

After that we are free to not care in the least about where or how governments spend money.

Just knowing that this not the way forward makes one look around for the real solutions and perhaps vote for those who will come along with such proposals.

It's inevitable, the instreaming 4d is what is different from the time of Atlantis.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Diana - 03-14-2022

(03-14-2022, 11:06 AM)YinYang Wrote:
(03-14-2022, 10:15 AM)Patrick Wrote: rather we let go of this concept and we move on to the next level.

I glanced very briefly at the link you shared. I've seen these utopian movements before, Jacque Fresco and the Venus project comes to mind.

I remind you that Atlantis was a very technologically advanced society with a very efficient social structure and government, and look how that ended... because we are a mixed polarity society.

I'm all for these attempts, and I applaud them, one can only dream.

That's funny, I was just looking for a free version of Zeitgeist to post in reply regarding a vision of a sustainable society. Smile

My concern with thinking that everyone remain loving is that, while I agree completely that humanity needs to evolve consciously especially during this time of the mass misuse of technology and that we are all responsible and accountable in this world, it doesn't seem realistic that those who are suffering be expected to remain loving when they are being bombed, their children are maimed or killed, their homes ruined, and so on. Even Ra talked about restitution.

I have a couple of family members who either directly or had a friend who lived in a homeless family during part of childhood. One told me how their family used to wait outside of fast food places like McDonalds at 1 am or thereabouts, when the workers threw out the uneaten food from the day, and their family picked the only food they had for that day out of the garbage. This doesn't even compare to what a war-torn situation would be like for the citizens of an invaded country.

We all live in relatively cozy situations here. Referring to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, when survival needs such as food and shelter are threatened, it is not probable a person can focus on higher-minded things. Lest I go down a rabbit hole of the geopolitical, profiteering corporate and economic emeshments we now have, I will just say that I am not sure we can put the burden on the suffering to turn the other cheek and be above it all while suffering. We can hope that people evolve enough to recognize the underlying imbalances enough to see that no one blame can be placed on a particular side, but there is till the block wall to scale erected by all those in power. 

I personally would not want to see this scaling of the power wall, so to speak, be that the average person suffer more while rejecting the control. I would rather that enough people become aware and form communities and groups and unite as a whole to say, enough. And because of uniting, and the evidence we have of the largely ineffectual revolutions of the past, reform our societies peacefully, demanding restitution where applicable (such as either making worthless or redistributing ill-gotten funds from corrupt politicians etc.).  

@ Patrick—this was not a criticism of what you said, because I am pretty sure I understand you. I am just trying to make my own perspective clear.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-14-2022

Diana, indeed for those being bombed, remaining loving is not what I had in mind. It's for the other people at the center of this, not physically threatened at the moment, like the people of Russia and the other people of Ukraine living in places still untouched, that I wish for them to remain loving for as long as they can manage it.

It does not matter what your/our governments wants us to believe. Remaining loving would mean for Russians to ignore the obvious propaganda and wish for peace internally. Nothing need to be done outwardly that would get you in trouble with the authorities. Just remaining loving internally is enough.

Is someone thin because they exercise or is it because they are thin that they like exercising?

Is it an easy thing for someone in a state of ease to wish for others to remain loving or did their state of ease manifest because of this underlying loving state in the first place?

Someone watching TV in Russia could become angry from the narrative and internally agree with their government or by remaining loving realise that there is never a good reason and then remain unangered and wishing well for their friends in Ukraine.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 03-14-2022

Below are quotes from Diana's last post and why all this is so.. what shall I say,  heavy,   discretion for lack of another word. Trying to step away from it and just watch is incredibly difficult. There are. moments I feel I would like to go there and just die along both sides of soldiers.  The  effect of all those wars of the past years.  

Quote:it doesn't seem realistic that those who are suffering be expected to remain loving when they are being bombed, their children are maimed or killed, their homes ruined, and so on. Even Ra talked about restitution.

We all live in relatively cozy situations here.

We can hope that people evolve enough to recognize the underlying imbalances enough to see that no one blame can be placed on a particular side, but there is till the block wall to scale erected by all those in power.

Thank you Patrick too.

In some ways those Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are somewhat Christs in walking.

on edit : I am more of a buddhist I am not using the word Christ really as a Christian, but more related to the meaning of Jesus life.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-14-2022

I imagine the pilot who is bombing an hospital, then I forgive him and I forgive myself for the first reaction I had while watching the result of that bombing. We are all crazy but we can still love each others while standing in the hell we created for ourselves down here. It doesn't make sense and that's ok.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-14-2022

(03-14-2022, 07:04 AM)YinYang Wrote:
(03-14-2022, 06:45 AM)Vasilisa Wrote: Yes, it is interesting that Ra gives an example of negative polarity pointing to the literary hero Taras Bulba. Many readers of the Law of One stumble over this "threshold")), but my personal opinion is that Gogol described a real character.

Are we definitely assuming that Ra was referring to Gogol's Taras Bulba, or is there any possibility that Ra was referring to this guy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Bulba-Borovets#:~:text=Taras%20Dmytrovych%20Borovets%20(Ukrainian%3A%20%D0%A2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81,nom%20de%20guerre%20Taras%20Bulba.

I couldn't even imagine about such a version. Wow what kind of information you find. Bandera's sisters also left for Canada after World War II.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-14-2022

I think that most people on the planet dream of a world of equality and tranquility. But I also unfortunately doubt that this is possible. To change reality (I assume) a certain critical mass is needed, so that it is meditation and the sincere desire of the majority. The intention of most people on the planet, where we will learn to work collectively with intent and with collective thought, as described by Ra. Although, along with this Ra described the war of thoughts)


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-15-2022

(03-14-2022, 03:50 PM)Vasilisa Wrote: I think that most people on the planet dream of a world of equality and tranquility. But I also unfortunately doubt that this is possible. 

Ra sometimes came across as a little hopeless themselves, although hopeless not the right word. Perhaps pessimistic or cynical maybe.

Ra Wrote:However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach.

Ra Wrote:This only will suffice for we cannot plumb the depths of the distortion complexes which infect your peoples.

Quote:There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, “insanity.”

I remember laughing out loud when I first read the Ra material, at Ra calling our world "insane". It made me feel slightly validated in some way.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-15-2022

And then you see acts of courage like this:



Let's hope they don't catch her! Apparently referring to what Putin has termed a "special operation" as a "war" or "invasion" is illegal and can land you a prison sentence of up to 15 years. Welcome to Orwell's 1984.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-15-2022

I anyone familar with Dion Fortune's Magical Battle of Britain?

I believe Carla has often cited Dion Fortune as a good source for psychic self defense, based on her book Psychic Self-Defense, but I think fewer people are familiar with Fortune's white-magic attempts during WW2 to protect against Hitler's assault.

Vasilisa, I have no idea what your situation is with regard to access to books, now that the Iron Curtain seems to be coming down again, but here's a site where you can download books from - https://za1lib.org/


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-15-2022

It is precisely because this world is "crazy" that I do not feel the strength to resist this world and in general the need for resistance (I only have constant anxiety, which I try to cope with by various methods... And probably that's why I chose the path of mysticism...


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-15-2022

Our (Russian) "iron curtain" is currently "lowered" against fakes about the Russian army and government, which are spreading on social networks, destabilizing the psychological atmosphere, I have already said that such destabilization is dangerous. There is no "Iron Curtain" in relation to literature) I am familiar with the works of Dion Fortune, albeit superficially. I even tried to translate her books into Russian, but there is a girl who does it better and loves her more (Dion Fortune)). Personally, Walter Ernest Butler, a student of Dion Fortune, is closer to me.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-15-2022

(03-15-2022, 04:45 AM)Vasilisa Wrote:  And probably that's why I chose the path of mysticism...

I'm with you on that one.

Ra Wrote:Perhaps the greatest healer is within the self and may be tapped with continued meditation as we have suggested.



RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-15-2022

My choir made this little recording yesterday (I'm the big guy in the blue polo).

Quand les hommes vivront d'amour... il n'y aura plus de misère.



(Warning, very low quality recording effort. But the heart is there.  Blush  )


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-15-2022

You have some beautiful voices there.

I'll just add this by one of our local bands:




May the insanity end one day...


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 03-15-2022

After reading this last session with Quo, I am looking (uncomfortably) closely at the bellicosity within me. I am a child of this Earth, and it seems that bellicosity runs in our veins, so to speak. In fact, more so than Quo has witnessed elsewhere.

I have had bellicose thoughts which arise from my overwhelming desire to stop the suffering. I have also had very loving and compassionate understanding thoughts.

As I look - with a spiritual gaze, instead of rational one - at my own bellicosity now and in my past, the dark nights of my soul pop up front and center. Here, I notice the once, all-important narrative dissolving. This narrative only serves to keep me in my head, and not my heart.  

Like those narratives of my past, I see that the narratives of today's conflicts are similar. When my thoughts stray to what governments should and should not be doing, I notice a spiritual disinterest within me.

Governments (often based on geography), perceived scarcity and bellicosity do still hold sway here, but love and unity are gaining a foothold as well. 

I have asked myself this question in journals: what if we are beginning to organize as a global tribe around love and unity? What if governments as they exist today are becoming vestiges of 3D? And, in their place, people are uniting around compassion, acceptance, understanding, and seeing self as other?

I am softened and heartened by seeing lots of boundaries of separation dissolve amidst what appears to be a war over boundaries. 

It's a bit of a bumpy road, this section of my journey. Confused Anybody else looking uncomfortably closely at catalyst in the mirror? ha ha


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-15-2022

(03-15-2022, 02:35 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: ...what if we are beginning to organize as a global tribe around love and unity? What if governments as they exist today are becoming vestiges of 3D? And, in their place, people are uniting around compassion, acceptance, understanding, and seeing self as other?...

There is a big recrudescence of beards and long hair, maybe we are witnessing a return of the Peace & Love movement?  Tongue

Maybe this time it won't be squashed down...


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 03-15-2022

I can't class anything as a "bonus" in regards to this conflict, but I do have thoughts on the subject that refer to such.

Catalyst is repeated until the lessons are learned, this applies to our own personal lives but if we stretch this concept out, it applies to the world at large too.

How many times will we watch war and conflict take place before we understand that nothing good or positive comes from it and that as a global population, we do indeed have a right and a choice to change these circumstances?

How often will we allow our governments to operate independently from us, with their selfish ways as if they have more right to decide what happens to the planet and beings upon it than us as a population?

When will we all finally take responsibility for our inner consciousness and understand that we are the change we need to see in the world? My above questions stand but ultimately, we are all co-creators of this conflict.

These are all wise questions that I can't make anyone else ponder, but I certainly ask these questions of myself. Love can and will take hold eventually, this I sincerely believe, but the damage and loss of life in the meantime is still completely unnecessary and it can only change in the now. We have to rise to a higher consciousness as a population for these circumstances to change. As a wise man once said, "“we cannot solve our problems with the same level of thinking that created them.”

We can choose to get sucked into the narrative, but that won't help, or we can one by one choose to raise our vibration and consciousness to a higher level where the current paradigm will be dissolved and genuine long term solutions can be found.

My main point here is, until we take full responsibility for our own life and choices on a mass scale, it will be pretty hard to see any loving and everlasting changes on the outside.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 03-15-2022

p.s I love to see the unity and ways of love that beings are creating from this conflict, the helping neighbors of countries offering aid and accepting refugees etc.

But all the protests in the world plus accepting refugees won't change the current circumstance or future ones without a rise in consciousness. This is meant to be a hopeful statement, but the message isn't quite out there on a mass scale for it to become immediately fruitful, the message of love and higher consciousness isn't quite out there (in the world) just yet. Hence why catalyst is needed to show this, I can only pray and hope that we get the message eventually (preferably now).


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 03-15-2022

Same here aWanderer..
Ukrainians have it seems at times helped with food some young Russians soldiers trapped in stopped convoys. During a Xmas pause in WW1 both sides visited one another in their trenches.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-16-2022

Russia is not at war with Ukraine, but with the so-called West under the auspices and leadership of the United States. Ukraine was unlucky that it was chosen as the "arena" of these anti-human actions. What is happening is called the "Third World War", it just happens the way it happens. Lavrov says that Russia is fighting for the right to remain a country and a political force on the world map. No state in the world wants to lose its sovereignty (and Russia was threatened with it). Just like no man wants to be another man's slave.
Our representative at the UN asked Guterres why the Western media did not write about the death of people in the center of Donetsk?
Al Jazeera looks at both sides of the conflict and can't figure out what's going on. Ukrainians blame everything on Russia, but from our side such denial of facts and provocations look more than strange. You can write about it endlessly. As long as there is a violent confrontation, this mill of war will grind human lives.
(As always, this is just my private observation of what is happening around)


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-16-2022

(03-15-2022, 03:28 PM)aWanderer91 Wrote: I can only pray and hope that we get the message eventually (preferably now).

Well, a little over 2000 years ago a wonderful teacher proclaimed "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did it to Me.', and subsequently this teacher's message was weaponised (the Crusades, the Inquisition, Holy Wars, etc. etc.)....it's all just so very inexplicable... why us on this planet are so slow to evolve.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-16-2022

(03-16-2022, 02:03 AM)Vasilisa Wrote: No state in the world wants to lose its sovereignty.

And so we have a stalemate, because the Ukrainians, in their defiance, are clearly showing us that they also want sovereignty for themselves.

Neither side acknowledges the other's position as having any legitimacy, same as Taiwan & China.