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RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-17-2022

I actually feel that the trajectory that this discussion has taken is not really beneficial from a philosophical perspective. I also unfortunately don't have the time (or interest) to try and make sense of this tangled mess, so I'll leave the 'information war' in the capable hands of those who do this for a living.

I wish you all the best, and my thoughts are with anyone (whatever Nationality) whose life is being impacted by this tragedy.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Loki - 03-17-2022

One Russian we should talk about instead of "all the ones we shall not talk about" is Marina Ovsyannikova. She proved what it means to try to make a difference. She proved it is possible to be humane in inhumane times. People around the world should learn from her that it is possible to stand up against tyranny. We don't need to know martial arts, have guns or other combat skills to make a difference. All it takes is courage and awareness. If we treasure and worship our physical body more than our mind/body/spirit complex and the Creator within we waste our incarnation. Fighting our fears will set us free. Justifying our fears will doom our chances to ascend. Because fear strips us from our humanity.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-17-2022

(03-17-2022, 07:04 AM)YinYang Wrote:
(03-17-2022, 06:28 AM)Vasilisa Wrote: "Pomerantsev was the chairman of the Information Warfare Initiative project of the Center for European Policy Analysis"?

Your point? How about reading the book and letting us know afterwards if there's any of his observations you disagree with (or agree with...).

))) I will not be able to evaluate this book, as I do not have the same view as the author. I did not live in Moscow and did not take part in the life the author writes about. I have lived all my life in a small Russian city working as an ordinary designer in a library) Well, a little bit of a reporter in the local newspaper and that's it. How, having such a life, can I objectively evaluate the book? The quote I gave from wikipedia. Yes, to be completely honest, I know a little about the life of a Moscow Masonic lodge, but this life is far from what you usually see in the publications of journalists.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-17-2022

Unfortunately, the dialogue always has a distortion. I don't know if we will ever be able to eliminate such a distortion...
in any case, thank you, it was important for me to talk to someone these days. I think I should shut up) As they say, silence is gold.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-17-2022

https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1989/1231 Q`uo Wrote:the magical personality, or the higher self, is the last vestige of the self which contains polarity. And as you deal in a world illusion grounded in polarity, this gift can be extremely helpful. Many, many times one is faced with dilemmas and enigmas that cannot be rationally discerned. There is no logical answer. There is only the wisdom of the heart and the compassion of the mind. For this is what the sixth density of unity provides: the realization that compassion is not only of the heart but of the mind, that wisdom is not only of the mind but of the heart.

I found, within my personal life, that if we do not apply what the Confederation shares with us into all the aspects of our lives then its beneficial effects are quickly lost. If we are in resonance with their teachings but then, when strong catalysts knocks at our door, we throw these concepts out the door, then of course misery will enter our experience.

Each of us is receiving stronger catalysts now, whether that is Covid related or war or personal. Our test is how strongly do we believe these concepts that the Confederation is sharing with us. What is our limit, how strong a catalyst is required before we revert to the way our Earthly systems wants us to act/react.

We are brothers and sisters, we love each others. Are there exceptions to this? Do I stop loving you if you identify yourself as pro-Putin? Do you stop loving me if I identify myself as a foolish spiritual flake? Do we stop loving the soldiers ordered to attack or defend? Do we stop loving the leaders giving those orders?

If we so wish, each of us can work internally on resolving all those seeming paradoxes until we love Putin, Biden, Trudeau, each members here and all other living creature on this planet and even the rocks, the wind and the water.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 03-17-2022

(03-17-2022, 07:50 AM)YinYang Wrote: I actually feel that the trajectory that this discussion has taken is not really beneficial from a philosophical perspective. I also unfortunately don't have the time (or interest) to try and make sense of this tangled mess, so I'll leave the 'information war' in the capable hands of those who do this for a living.

I wish you all the best, and my thoughts are with anyone (whatever Nationality) whose life is being impacted by this tragedy.

I have found myself starting to add to this thread and then deleting because I find myself within one of many narratives. 

I am trying to use catalyst effectively, and insofar as narrative is a function of catalyst, I am trying to balance not getting caught up in a narrative, any particular story, but instead use the narrative as a springboard to move into a spiritual place. 

It's a challenge for me to balance. And, I think narrative - the story I tell myself and which I am drawn toward - is so integral to processing catalyst in this 3D, offering a plethora of choices, but there's such a delicate balance. 

Sometimes, I find myself being drawn more (not less) into separation ... into a place where there are boundaries and categories - when I get too deep into any narrative. And, I remind myself: we are all One with the same 'threads' (energies of all flavors) running through each and all of us. There is no true separation, there are no true boundaries between each and everyone of us. 

I also remind myself that Earth and all of her inhabitants are welcoming great, loving light (4D) and it is my honor/duty to behold and be a part of this magnificent time - hard, at times, though it seems to be.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - LeiwoUnion - 03-17-2022

(03-17-2022, 07:04 AM)YinYang Wrote:
Quote:... In fact, I think we can all agree that ...
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"Pomerantsev was the chairman of the Information Warfare Initiative project of the Center for European Policy Analysis"?

Your point? How about reading the book and letting us know afterwards if there's any of his observations you disagree with (or agree with...)

You're not being fair here, YinYang in my opinion. It is quite preposterous to make a claim 'I think we can all agree' about much of anything. Also, on the latter bit it isn't fair to dismiss a pointer/question about the author, if it feels relevant to the questioner. This is like holding the discussion as hostage until the book is read which is in general no small task.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 03-17-2022

I am truly unswayed by this conflict, I seem to be in balance in regards to it. But I can truly sympathise with everyone's thoughts, feelings and emotions here.

Your fears, your concerns, whether you think it's right or wrong and whether you are attached to a certain narrative or standpoint or not. I see you, I feel you and I completely understand if my intuition is correct of why you have the perspective that you do.

Let's not forget that from wherever we are in the world, our prayers are never unheard and our visualisations have as much power as we choose to give them. I will continue to pray and visualise until the conflict is over Smile

And everyone has the free will and open space to express themselves here, this thread has become catalyst of its own in terms of learning to accept another's view and putting yourself in someone else's shoes, in my view.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-17-2022

Here is a link to the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, where documents on Ukrainian laboratories are presented. I wonder if the Russian Ministry of Defense can "descend" to fakes? https://z.mil.ru/spec_mil_oper/documents.htm


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Loki - 03-17-2022

(03-17-2022, 09:50 AM)Patrick Wrote:
https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1989/1231 Q`uo Wrote:the magical personality, or the higher self, is the last vestige of the self which contains polarity. And as you deal in a world illusion grounded in polarity, this gift can be extremely helpful. Many, many times one is faced with dilemmas and enigmas that cannot be rationally discerned. There is no logical answer. There is only the wisdom of the heart and the compassion of the mind. For this is what the sixth density of unity provides: the realization that compassion is not only of the heart but of the mind, that wisdom is not only of the mind but of the heart.

I found, within my personal life, that if we do not apply what the Confederation shares with us into all the aspects of our lives then its beneficial effects are quickly lost. If we are in resonance with their teachings but then, when strong catalysts knocks at our door, we throw these concepts out the door, then of course misery will enter our experience.

Each of us is receiving stronger catalysts now, whether that is Covid related or war or personal. Our test is how strongly do we believe these concepts that the Confederation is sharing with us. What is our limit, how strong a catalyst is required before we revert to the way our Earthly systems wants us to act/react.

We are brothers and sisters, we love each others. Are there exceptions to this? Do I stop loving you if you identify yourself as pro-Putin? Do you stop loving me if I identify myself as a foolish spiritual flake? Do we stop loving the soldiers ordered to attack or defend? Do we stop loving the leaders giving those orders?

If we so wish, each of us can work internally on resolving all those seeming paradoxes until we love Putin, Biden, Trudeau, each members here and all other living creature on this planet and even the rocks, the wind and the water.

You can love the tyrants in your heart and your mind but the first duty of an STO is to protect the victims of the tyrants. Why do you think there is a quarantine on this planet? And how do you think the quarantine is maintained? With love only? Why not let the STS free will enslave all the earthlings? let's just love those guys and let them win because they want to.

I will say first love the truckers who got their bank accounts frozen by a false democrat, or protect the victims of oil rich areas where usually US exports their democracy or the Ukrainian civilians who are killed in the name of some false political doctrines winch has noting to do with people but with countries. Since when is a country more important than its people? I know this is catalyst but our reaction to catalyst is not to love the aggressor or the generator of catalyst. You can love the aggressor if it is your aggressor only but you cannot allow any aggressor to attack other beings on your watch. And I am not saying fight against the aggressor with weapons, I am saying do not allow yourself to be used by the propaganda apparatus or by the oppression apparatus against other beings.

If people would not allow to be manipulated in becoming the aggressors will be no wars or injustice on this planet..


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 03-17-2022

making choices in 3 D our whole catalyst.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-17-2022

(03-17-2022, 02:26 PM)Loki Wrote: You can love the tyrants in your heart and your mind but the first duty of an STO is to protect the victims of the tyrants. Why do you think there is a quarantine on this planet?

The quarantine was put in effect because our brains were made too big for our 3d experience (by those helpers who brought the people from mars here). So our mind intelligence and our heart intelligence is out of balance. We are using our mind too much. This is making us artificially more prone to fall for the tricks of the negatives. A normal 3d entity would not have that handicap.


(03-17-2022, 02:26 PM)Loki Wrote: And how do you think the quarantine is maintained? With love only?

Yes only with love. There is no other force in existence. Also, all the actions the negatives are taking are taken out of love (love of self in their case).

The quarantine was implemented by switching our planet to another timeline where we are alone in our own space/time corner.


(03-17-2022, 02:26 PM)Loki Wrote: Why not let the STS free will enslave all the earthlings? let's just love those guys and let them win because they want to.

We are currently all slaves to STS on this planet. We cannot win by any means other than loving them. There is only one way for those on the right-hand path to win this game. Any other attitude can only help them maintain their hold.

The quarantine is forcing them to incarnate here in our timeline and influence us into giving our energies over to them. We are responsible for our current slavery. They did not need to conquer us in the physical the way they could have without the quarantine, we let ourselves be seduced by their offering of elitism. In part due to our mind/heart imbalance issue. But also we have a collective bias where we are not disgusted by their teachings. We like winning in a way that requires a loser in order for us to win. Not many people see any issues in this.


(03-17-2022, 02:26 PM)Loki Wrote: I will say first love the truckers who got their bank accounts frozen by a false democrat, or protect the victims of oil rich areas where usually US exports their democracy or the Ukrainian civilians who are killed in the name of some false political doctrines winch has noting to do with people but with countries.

Yes indeed. Maybe it is easier to love them first. Then we can move on to loving those who seem to be the perpetrators. But the real first we should learn to truly love is ourselves.


(03-17-2022, 02:26 PM)Loki Wrote: Since when is a country more important than its people?

If we want to love all people, it will serve us better to ignore any concept of countries.


(03-17-2022, 02:26 PM)Loki Wrote: I know this is catalyst but our reaction to catalyst is not to love the aggressor or the generator of catalyst.

According to the teachings of the Confederation, this is exactly the reaction to catalysts that we are here to learn.

We are not expected to succeed in this. We are only expected to try at each opportunity/catalyst from an aggressor.

If the intent to try is not even there, because you believe the aggressor is not worthy of your love, then how will there be any chance of progress?


(03-17-2022, 02:26 PM)Loki Wrote: You can love the aggressor if it is your aggressor only but you cannot allow any aggressor to attack other beings on your watch.

You can love all aggressors while disagreeing with them. You can also protect those within your sphere of influence without hating the aggressors.

But our "reality" is magical and loving our potential aggressors is going to make it so that they have no henchmen. The STS incarnating here could not even reach any position of authority, because we would not find their offering attractive and not enough people would support them for them to have any meaningful impact on our social systems.


(03-17-2022, 02:26 PM)Loki Wrote: And I am not saying fight against the aggressor with weapons, I am saying do not allow yourself to be used by the propaganda apparatus or by the oppression apparatus against other beings.

Indeed, each of us is responsible for our part in this. It is all based on the biases we cultivate.

Those biases are the only thing we carry with us from incarnations to incarnations. So working on these has a very profound effect on the whole life stream of an entity.


(03-17-2022, 02:26 PM)Loki Wrote: If people would not allow to be manipulated in becoming the aggressors will be no wars or injustice on this planet..

Yep. It begins by feeling good when our sport team wins against another team and we cheer their victory. Who would believe there is anything problematic in this? Maybe very young children, but even there we teach them these things very young.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-18-2022

Sport is a double-edged sword) On the one hand, it promotes progress, on the other - creates temptations, as in the movie "The Big Race")) As far as I remember, Ra spoke of the fourth density as the density of understanding. And about love as a weapon. To be honest, I used the state of love and harmony to ask some alcoholics from other apartments to "get out of my house" and look for someone else. And I think that this is not a completely fair game, because at the level of "internal energies" and intentions it works. And I also consider it an interference in someone else's life. But I don't like living next to alcoholics, so I have to resort to this kind of "weapon". Similarly, I can't live near weeds and cockroaches, I have to "kill" them.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-18-2022

What I didn't expect was to disable Cyrillic in Google Fonts, but it happened)))
I understand Jung more and more with his concern about the "Shadow" archetype


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-18-2022

(03-17-2022, 11:32 AM)IndigoSalvia Wrote:
(03-17-2022, 07:50 AM)YinYang Wrote: I actually feel that the trajectory that this discussion has taken is not really beneficial from a philosophical perspective. I also unfortunately don't have the time (or interest) to try and make sense of this tangled mess, so I'll leave the 'information war' in the capable hands of those who do this for a living.

I wish you all the best, and my thoughts are with anyone (whatever Nationality) whose life is being impacted by this tragedy.

I have found myself starting to add to this thread and then deleting because I find myself within one of many narratives. 

I am trying to use catalyst effectively, and insofar as narrative is a function of catalyst, I am trying to balance not getting caught up in a narrative, any particular story, but instead use the narrative as a springboard to move into a spiritual place. 

It's a challenge for me to balance. And, I think narrative - the story I tell myself and which I am drawn toward - is so integral to processing catalyst in this 3D, offering a plethora of choices, but there's such a delicate balance. 

Sometimes, I find myself being drawn more (not less) into separation ... into a place where there are boundaries and categories - when I get too deep into any narrative. And, I remind myself: we are all One with the same 'threads' (energies of all flavors) running through each and all of us. There is no true separation, there are no true boundaries between each and everyone of us. 

I also remind myself that Earth and all of her inhabitants are welcoming great, loving light (4D) and it is my honor/duty to behold and be a part of this magnificent time - hard, at times, though it seems to be.



RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-18-2022

IndigoSalvia Wrote:Sometimes, I find myself being drawn more (not less) into separation ... into a place where there are boundaries and categories - when I get too deep into any narrative.

Me too. (I would have considered it rude not to respond to a post in response to one of mine.)

I'm a very curious person, always gathering details and trying to make sense of things (including geopolitics, to my detriment). But on a planet like this one it can very easily result in feelings of "separation" and resentment. I always pull back in the end when I realise the foolishness of it.

Ra Wrote:This is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information, that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity.

And that's the feeling of lightness that I woke up with this morning. These conspiracy theories and propaganda wars surrounding this invasion no longer interest me.

LeiwoUnion Wrote:It is quite preposterous to make a claim 'I think we can all agree' about much of anything.

Come to think of it, you're right. In this upside-down world of ours, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if a plethora of people would argue for Russia being a liberal democracy. In the same way that no amount of evidence to the contrary could convince a flat-Earther otherwise. I will just be the voice for the hundreds of killed journalists (and those are only the ones we know about)...

'LeiwoUnion Wrote:This is like holding the discussion as hostage until the book is read which is in general no small task.

And in the spirit of "everything Russia" at the moment, I'm sharing yet another book, the bookworm that I am!  Smile

The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov

[Image: 41NSZENdbFL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg]



RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Loki - 03-18-2022

Quote:Yes only with love. There is no other force in existence. Also, all the actions the negatives are taking are taken out of love (love of self in their case).

The quarantine was implemented by switching our planet to another timeline where we are alone in our own space/time corner.

Hey Patrick,

This is in a way your celebration. St Patrick day. Enjoy a beer even if you are not Irish Smile If you are than you go for a six pack.

We agree on almost everything except one detail. I was not talking about the love as ingredient of the creation or Logos but about love the energy of the heart which from Ra's teachings we know is different concept. Maybe i should have clarified that. But in society we do not deal with the lack of love as component of creation. The problem we have in society and on Earth is the lack of other type of love the one from heart chakra. I believe as Ra said the quarantine might be implemented with love as kinetic energy of the Creator but was put in place and maintained in place with struggle and war as results from the next paragraphs which I believe you know well. The struggle was between the polarity of love (heart chakra) and the polarity of lack of love.

Bottom line sometimes you cannot accept that what is given and for me this is the case with tyrants. Thank you for your offer Mr Trudeau but I've decided not to ride my horse over those people just to help you build your dystopian society. And this is how catalyst is intended to work in order to have a spiritual revolution. It is not for truckers to pick up weapons and attack policemen is for policemen to stand down and not obey orders to hurt other human beings. Violence is never a good idea but sometimes defence is needed especially when you can protect others from being abused.


Quote:25.4 Questioner: Thank you. [We] shall now continue with the material from yesterday. You stated that about 3,000 years ago the Orion group left due to Diaspora. Was the Confederation then able to make any progress after the Orion group left?
Ra: I am Ra. For many of your centuries, both the Confederation and the Orion Confederation busied themselves with each other upon planes above your own, shall we say, planes in time/space whereby machinations were conceived and the armor of light girded on. Battles have been and are continuing to be fought upon these levels.

Upon the Earth plane, energies had been set in motion which did not cause a great deal of call. There were isolated instances of callings, one such taking place beginning approximately two six zero zero [2,600] of your years in the past in what you would call Greece at this time and resulting in writings and understandings of some facets of the Law of One. We especially note the one known as Thales and the one known as Heraclitus, those being of the philosopher career, as you may call it, teaching their students. We also point out the understandings of the one known as Pericles.

At this time there was a limited amount of visionary information which the Confederation was allowed to telepathically impress. However, for the most part, during this time empires died and rose according to the attitudes and energies set in motion long ago, not resulting in strong polarization but rather in that mixture of the positive and the warlike or negative which has been characteristic of this final minor cycle of your beingness.

25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?
Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.

In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation arms with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”
Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

In other words Confederation accepted some polarity loss by defending themselves and us from the negative polarity.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 03-18-2022

I'm reading Quo's https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2022/0302 session. And, contemplating this section. 

Quote:However, it is possible, my friends, if one has the bias towards protecting others, and they do so without engaging in attitudes of separation and see the aggressor as the Creator, and yet, do everything in their power to minimize harm in a situation, up to and including using similarly violent acts to prevent further harm, it is possible, yet a rare scenario upon your planet.

We emphasize that this is quite a rare occurrence. For as you may understand, this is an incredibly difficult attitude to maintain within the confusion of third density.

I am stumbling over the bolded sentiment. I can barely (if at all) see - within myself - a path as described above.

Can one act with bellicosity with a full and open heart of love for all ... with no sense of separation? STO compassionate- and loving-bellicosity? 

Anybody wish to share your understanding, perspective?


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 03-18-2022

I can only add my natural thoughts and intuition towards Q'uo's statement, IndigoSalvia.

But to simplify, I take it that they mean an open hearted being or group of beings, acting in self defence Smile

I see this as more than possible.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 03-18-2022

(03-18-2022, 02:01 AM)Vasilisa Wrote:  To be honest, I used the state of love and harmony to ask some alcoholics from other apartments to "get out of my house" and look for someone else. 

In a way Vaislisa, there is here compassion for both, somehow here,  for you, and for the persons who may have to face a choice to treat... Wink
The multiple was of love somehow


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 03-18-2022

(03-18-2022, 12:37 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: I'm reading Quo's https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2022/0302 session. And, contemplating this section. 

Quote:However, it is possible, my friends, if one has the bias towards protecting others, and they do so without engaging in attitudes of separation and see the aggressor as the Creator, and yet, do everything in their power to minimize harm in a situation, up to and including using similarly violent acts to prevent further harm, it is possible, yet a rare scenario upon your planet.

We emphasize that this is quite a rare occurrence. For as you may understand, this is an incredibly difficult attitude to maintain within the confusion of third density.

I am stumbling over the bolded sentiment. I can barely (if at all) see - within myself - a path as described above.

Can one act with bellicosity with a full and open heart of love for all ... with no sense of separation? STO compassionate- and loving-bellicosity? 

Anybody wish to share your understanding, perspective?


I had these thoughts about this, Indigo,
if we look at for example Putin or any autocrat, they were babies, they were children, what was their life as such, what was their life as teenagers, what were their fears and aspirations, what was their adult lives.  Whatever they were,  we may dislike, condemn their behaviors, find the results horrific, and yet see them as these persons who evolved from babies in conditions we know nothing of.  Bellicosity is a result probably from all this. And definitely fear reigning.

Paradoxes...


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - LeiwoUnion - 03-18-2022

The greatest paradox pehaps being that we cannot even say, if their lessons were missed or followed to the letter.

That's why judgement is so unbelieveably folly, and totally useless.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-18-2022

(03-18-2022, 12:37 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: Can one act with bellicosity with a full and open heart of love for all ... with no sense of separation? STO compassionate- and loving-bellicosity? 

Maybe bellicosity is not the right word in that context.

"Definitions of bellicosity. a natural disposition to fight."

But we can imagine using some violence to block an aggressor while still loving them.

Imagine a dog you love, who somehow starts attacking a child. You can use some violence to stop the dog, but do you stop loving the dog?

That is how I imagine any aggressor. They don't know what they are doing while we don't know why they are doing it. STS may believe they know what they are doing, but they are lying to themselves. They are playing the role of "that which is not". The biggest lie/illusion this octave has ever seen.

But if we can remain loving, then right after the aggression is past and the situation is resolved we can right away forgive and move on with the pieces we have left.

--

On a much larger subject, it is my belief that all the agression that exists on this planet even within the animal kingdom is because of our collective 3d choices of bellicosity. It is my belief that when a 25000 years cycle ends the next one does not start right away but instead there is a separation in time of millions of years where 3d is not in play. The history of this planet based on fossils of predators is not what it seems. The first 25000 years cycle begun before this planet even had a concept of predator and prey. Our aggressiveness did not come from the animal kingdom, they learned from us, or rather this planet learned this from us. Of course, now our planet is confused because of the instreaming 4d. But we can help a great deal by changing our attitudes and biases vis à vis everything.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Loki - 03-18-2022

(03-18-2022, 12:37 PM)IndigoSalvia Wrote: I'm reading Quo's https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2022/0302 session. And, contemplating this section. 

Quote:However, it is possible, my friends, if one has the bias towards protecting others, and they do so without engaging in attitudes of separation and see the aggressor as the Creator, and yet, do everything in their power to minimize harm in a situation, up to and including using similarly violent acts to prevent further harm, it is possible, yet a rare scenario upon your planet.

We emphasize that this is quite a rare occurrence. For as you may understand, this is an incredibly difficult attitude to maintain within the confusion of third density.

I am stumbling over the bolded sentiment. I can barely (if at all) see - within myself - a path as described above.

Can one act with bellicosity with a full and open heart of love for all ... with no sense of separation? STO compassionate- and loving-bellicosity? 

Anybody wish to share your understanding, perspective?

When US bombarded Dresden during WWII or Hiroshima and Nagasaki some in their leading team might have been genuinely (as they claimed) concerned that the fanaticism of the opponents could cause too much destruction with a longer war. So they wanted to destroy their moral to save their bodies. I certainly believe there were some that were more than happy they could test the new weapons or pay it back to Germans.

So as you can see there is an amalgam of reasons and excuses in such situation. Probably after the incarnation ends each will be assessed based on what he/she felt during that action. Some might have felt compassion but believed is the smaller of two evils. Some might have been very happy they can inflict pain on others.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 03-19-2022

Thank you to all who responded to my question above.

I can't make the intellectual or spiritual leap to committing acts of violence with service-to-all love. The closest I can get to understanding what Quo means with these words is an act of "mercy killing." Even then, mmm, it seems an infringement upon the other's free will, unless requested. 

I'm likely in the "much more common" group that Quo refers to later. And, since this specific notion does not resonate with me, I'll let it go.

I meditated and noticed that when I love what I perceive to be aggressors, sometimes there is a tiny little condition upon it. The condition is (roughly): I send this love in hopes that you stop your violence. It's an expectation, or conditional love, no matter how tiny it is. Simply noticing this was eye-opening for me. 

I asked myself: Can I love an "aggressor" with no spiritual strings attached, no expectations, no conditions whatsoever? Where is the place within me that I can love in this way? 

I visualized myself as simply a conduit for the infinite, intelligent love to flow through me as it may. For a brief moment, I just let go of all of my "human" conditions, kind of felt like emptying myself, I suppose ... or clearing all of the stuff out of the way for the briefest of moments. 

More practice ...


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Ruola - 03-19-2022

send love to Ukraine, but also to the Russian soldiers, I think that is a great idea.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - tadeus - 03-20-2022

The next link is derived from this german article:

Ukraine becomes the first country to implement the Great Reset - "We are being lied to on an epic scale".

Today the project ePidtrymka in the Diia application has officially launched - how to get UAH 1,000


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-21-2022

If suddenly someone cares about what is happening in the east of Ukraine.
Unfortunately, the channels are only visible in telegram
https://t.me/TRO_DPR
https://t.me/maximgrigoryev


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Loki - 03-21-2022

(03-20-2022, 07:10 AM)tadeus Wrote: The next link is derived from this german article:

Ukraine becomes the first country to implement the Great Reset - "We are being lied to on an epic scale".

Today the project ePidtrymka in the Diia application has officially launched - how to get UAH 1,000

Can you please put here in few words what you understand from this great reset concept. Please do not post links but your own ideas.
I have no clue what it is but I see lots of people fearful of it. 


Thank you in advance.


RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-21-2022

My understanding of the Great Reset narrative is that the Elites, being fully aware that money is obsolete, are expending a lot of efforts in order to help maintain the status quo. They created a narrative within the conspiration circles that a financial reset is coming where they will end up with all the control. They would like us to fear losing our status quo and fight against a next generation system. But in reality, they already have all the control in our current system while the next generation system will be decentralized and uncontrollable.

Anyway, they can only slow down what is coming. Does anyone here believe we will still be using money in 4d ?