(04-06-2022, 04:27 AM)3-24-2022 Wrote: Exploration of your inner mind and being are not necessarily spiritual activities.

(04-06-2022, 04:27 AM)3-24-2022 Wrote: I think the world needs more tolerance, not necessarily more spirituality I think it needs more people exploring their inner awareness and choosing to not be followers.

(04-06-2022, 04:27 AM)3-24-2022 Wrote: This is not a criticism of the term "spirituality" I just think it has too many meanings to be interpreted correctly.

(04-06-2022, 12:25 PM)3-24-2022 Wrote: A therapist can devote his entire life to studying the inner mind of people and yet be a complete atheist in the fullest sense.

(04-06-2022, 01:24 PM)3-24-2022 Wrote: I wish that were true, that you could just get someone to adopt a tolerant attitude by referring to their book, but I am skeptical of that.

I think a lot of religious people with a dogmatic attitude have the idea that you following them or their leader would be the best outcome even after you said "sure you're 100% right about your beliefs." That is what I meant by criticizing being a follower.

Most of the older people I've spoken to have firmly pointed out that religion is used to control people to try to steer me away from being too interested, and I understand why.

I'm not trying to contradict you, just stating my opinions and there is an irony to thinking you need to "fix" anyone. I don't speak about these topics to people much, as the pandemic has isolated many people and I realized long ago that I am not going to be "saving" people.

(04-07-2022, 02:56 AM)3-24-2022 Wrote: I think the point I am making is flying past you.

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I have a question do you think the world needs more and more spirituality to solve all of the problems people have? I do not think it is working or has worked. 

Quote:Questioner: Thank you. Can you give me examples of catalytic action to produce learning under each of the following headings from the last session we had… Can you give me an example of the self unmanifested producing learning catalyst?

Ra: I am Ra. We observed your interest in the catalyst of pain. This experience is most common among your entities. The pain may be of the physical complex. More often it is of the mental and emotional complex. In some few cases the pain is spiritual in complex-nature. This creates a potential for learning. The lessons to be learned vary. Almost always these lessons include patience, tolerance, and the ability for the light touch.

Very often the catalyst for emotional pain, whether it be the death of the physical complex of one other-self which is loved or some other seeming loss, will simply result in the opposite, in a bitterness, an impatience, a souring. This is catalyst which has gone awry. In these cases, then, there will be additional catalyst provided to offer the unmanifested self further opportunities for discovering the self as all-sufficient Creator containing all that there is and full of joy.

(04-07-2022, 06:17 AM)jafar Wrote: All conflict in the world are caused by "Limited / Small Scoped Identity".
Whether the "Identity" is formed by nationality, religion, race, ethnicity, political party, ideology or even as menial as favorite football club or neighborhood.

From made up "Aryan identity" by the Nazis, "Chosen People" as defined by Judaism to "Believer/Devotee" as defined by other religion.

Through identity the self recognize "others" and label it as "THEM", and through shared identity the self label it as "US".
Separation is then being created, between US vs THEM.

What the world need to be peaceful and harmonious is to break those barrier of small scoped identity, or at least expand it to include as many as possible.

(04-19-2022, 04:31 AM)jafar Wrote:

(04-07-2022, 06:17 AM)jafar Wrote: All conflict in the world are caused by "Limited / Small Scoped Identity".
Whether the "Identity" is formed by nationality, religion, race, ethnicity, political party, ideology or even as menial as favorite football club or neighborhood.

From made up "Aryan identity" by the Nazis, "Chosen People" as defined by Judaism to "Believer/Devotee" as defined by other religion.

Through identity the self recognize "others" and label it as "THEM", and through shared identity the self label it as "US".
Separation is then being created, between US vs THEM.

What the world need to be peaceful and harmonious is to break those barrier of small scoped identity, or at least expand it to include as many as possible.

As addition, I just found a wonderfully correlated answer from Quo on this "Limited Identification" thus "Uber Alles" attitude.
And how it relate to Middle East population and 3 of it's major (surviving) religion (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)

From: https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2006/0321


The Guardians’ mistake was in creating better physical vehicle with the attitude that these physical vehicles were better and that the people that inhabited those physical vehicles were special. Naturally, the Guardians were very fond of the incoming population and felt great love for them, as they were placing them carefully and gently upon planet Earth to take up again their search for love.

What they did not anticipate was that the people themselves would feel that they were special. They were aware that their intellect [was more powerful] than other great-ape species that inhabited the Earth at that time. They felt privileged and special. And they created within themselves an attitude of “better than.”

The energy of the beings from the Red Planet was naturally somewhat progressive and fiery. They had demonstrated this aggression, this ability to wage war on their home planet and had succeeded in destroying the surface of it as an acceptable environment for third-density life. They carried these biases with them into third density upon this planet.

The very beginning of your cycle of third density upon planet Earth was nearly 76,000 of your years ago, by your counting. The [Martian population] incarnated in what you would call the Middle East and parts of Africa first, their thickest area of population in that area of the planet. Gradually they become the populations that you now know of as the Moslems, the Jewish people, the Palestinians, and others of Middle Eastern heritage.

As the population settled in and began their cycles of reincarnation to gain experience and learn the lessons of love, they spread out, becoming the populations that you now know as the Russian and Eastern Orthodox churches, the Christian church, and the Christian Protestant church as opposed to the Christian Roman Catholic church. All of these populations are heavily “larded” with those originally from planet Mars.

You will note that these entities comprise the bulk of those who believe in one God. The up-side in the belief in one Creator is that it is closer to that mystery of the Creator than the solution which posits many gods. It is our understanding that all things are one, and the infinite Creator is as single as Its universe and creation.

The down-side in believing in one God is that belief that only if you believe in that one God —and believe in a certain way— shall your soul reach heaven. This creates a bias within the religious, and oftentimes the political mind of those [who so believe] that there is their way or the highway, as this instrument would put it.

You will note that in the Moslem church, the Christian church, and in the church of the Jews that there is a strong tendency to exclude certain of their members who do not believe specifically in the points of dogma in which they hold to be true. The tendency of this energy of belief in one God, then, has its challenging aspects when it comes to using that religion as a springboard for the lessons of love.

If you will examine the writings that are at the heart of any of those three religions, you will find a mystical understanding of unity that is very similar between those three churches. However, for the entity that is living an everyday life, the tendency with dogmatic churches is to be very exclusionary and judgmental, so that an entity is told basically, “Either you believe the way we believe or you are consigned to one of the circles of Hell after you are dead.” They then feel that it is permissible and even desirable to proselytize and attempt to create that bias within those whom they meet.

This nest or web of actions is basically the end result of the Guardians, 75,000 years ago, making too many improvements on physical vehicles and creating pride and arrogance as a birthright of the new and improved human species. You may still see those energies playing themselves out in your Earth world at this time.

Many of those who come from the Red Planet have earned the right to graduate into fourth density. They have achieved that shift in consciousness from fear to love, from war to peace, from doubt to faith, and from despair to hope. There is no stigma in being from Mars, anymore than there is a stigma to anyone for being born of a certain genetic heritage.

(04-27-2022, 12:02 AM)3-24-2022 Wrote: Every day theres news of a rivalry between Iran/Afghanistan and Israel/Europe. Egypt is stuck somewhere in neutral territory.