(02-18-2011, 11:32 PM)Izzy Wrote: Greetings seekers of the truth. I recently replied to the china disclosure of aliens thred. But I must now start this thread and would like comments on the letter sent to President Obama in Jan 09. You can find this letter on the web site at this address
disclosureproject.org The letter is under the link at the top of the page Presidental breifing
If you read the the whole site you will find out that this information was sent or hand delivered to all in congress/senate also.
What do you believe?

(02-19-2011, 10:11 AM)unity100 Wrote: the disclosure is not about governments not trusting their public. its more about strategic secrecy.

see, usa and russia (and maybe a few more) countries have tesla vehicles.

if there is an exposure, eventually attention will be concentrated on these vehicles, and eventually people will discern that some ufos belong to some governments.

this will open three can of worms as far as governments and the private interests are concerned :

first, it will bring about free energy. energy will be free, the govts and their private interest backers will lose control of energy, and corporations will lose profit.

second, it will cause all other governments to go for tesla vehicles and devices. it will be rather dangerous. also, these governments who monopolize them now will lose the edge - tesla devices pretty much negate all kinds of military equipment.

third, it will cause public to question why this was kept away from people, despite there were so many needs that could be fulfilled by tesla devices and free energy. public will bounce on the people who kept that away from themselves. these people are probably still alive, or in their death throes as of this date. however, those who continued the policy of withholding are still alive and probably well, if we judge by the timeline.

(02-19-2011, 10:33 AM)Izzy Wrote: Ens Entium, this I have never seen. I just read your link and it is eye opening to say the least. But that is also why i posed the question. I have been trying to find the truth. And once agian I must re examine what looks to be dis information.The internet is full of it. But this by no way stops me of my belief of Alien aircraft and the search for the truth. And your reply was in no way negative, how could it be if you are only trying to spead the truth. Is there more out there I have missed if so please enlighten me. I seek the truth.
Do you believe in Alien aircraft and beings visting the planet?

(02-19-2011, 10:32 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: "ETs are here, even in our solar system, around the earth, etc. We covered it up for reasons of social stability"

(02-19-2011, 10:48 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 10:32 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: "ETs are here, even in our solar system, around the earth, etc. We covered it up for reasons of social stability"

No one can take responsibility for a cover up.

(02-19-2011, 10:48 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Also 'disclosure' means different things to different people. Like 'global warming'. After all, what is an 'ET'? And why is your depiction of the ET the correct or truthful one? Rightfully, suspicion would be high. People would get angry due to failed projections. They would reject the authoritative depictions as lies or misunderstandings.

(02-19-2011, 10:48 AM)zenmaster Wrote: You can acclimatize society to the prospect of ET life all you want. People would not so much be overcoming an acceptance to the reality of ET existence and presence, but struggling or paralyzed with the depth of reality of the ET's meaning and purpose.

Quote:Crimson, I agree alot with what you say about Greer. I dont like his "I'm a doctor " either but I like it that someone is trying to get to the truth. The interviews from professional military pilots ,air traffic controls, air line piolts, how do all these [ he has 150+ professions] fall into this project? Do they make money or fame from this? Do you shoot the messenger because he is a little stange? And he talks of dinner with CIA Director, all I Can say is, Where do whistle blowers come from? Why is it that people that do negitive work can't see the light and change? And since changing my life after reading the Ra sessions I have been laughed at for tring to get others to see the light. That when am I going to go into trance? But same person cant get enough about alien aircraft and abduction. I Think that the letter he sends to all in Congress/Senate/President is long over due. I'm sure he has ALOT of people laugh at him and snicker.But does that mean he's wrong? I'm into Nicola Tesla and am amazed at people that laugh at what he was doing, that he was a crack pot yet no one ever loked at his inventions and just wrote him off too. And after you read something profound [Ra sessions] do you snicker at the channel or do you look to the truth being channeled? I personly have had people snicker at me because I recount the nite I seen something that couldnt be explained by our way of thinking and view of the universe. But I still look for the truth in all.

(02-19-2011, 06:34 PM)Derek ~ Wrote: Ha. Great find..I've never seen that.

(02-19-2011, 06:14 PM)Spectrum Wrote: Fortunately I missed Greer completely, and from what I have heard about him it's probably a good thing ...

(02-19-2011, 06:14 PM)Spectrum Wrote: Well, I'm going to stay safe and not form an opinion on the disclosure movement just yet, I think it's too early to tell. Just the religious ramifications alone are going to be quite a handful.

(02-19-2011, 04:23 PM)Derek ~ Wrote: I have to disagree with you Crimson on Greer being someone who is purposely presenting disinfo. But who knows, I could be wrong! There are two situations here as I see it:

1. Greer has his beliefs about there only being benevolent ET's because that's what he has been told and exposed to.

2. Or perhaps it is the opposite, and his purpose is to present certain information out there without scaring the living hell out of people. How do you approach the average person with the biggest hidden truth of our existence? It's not easy.

I think Greer has a role to play, and the fact that there are negative entities is simply not in his script. If you want to get a frightened animal (close-minded purposely conditioned fear-based humans) out of a hole, you don't stand outside yelling and screaming. You have to be gentle.

Awakening is a process isn't it? You can't be exposed to it all at once. Once people are awakened and come out of their metaphorical holes, they can start looking around at other information for the bigger picture. Greer is someone who is more of a starting point. These roles are important and have to be played.

Derek Wrote:Ha. Great find..I've never seen that.

Derek Wrote:Indeed, i invite you to check out the craddock engineering connection.

Derek Wrote:I think so too, i also think that religious authority will try to ease the confusion by welcoming it. I would suppose in the way it's been in this interview, with a vatican astronomer. {or.. the church just doesnt want to be wrong again.}

http://padrefunes.blogspot.com/2008/05/e...other.html

Derek Wrote:is that this is his life's work

Session 17, February 3, 1981 Wrote:Questioner: In the book Oahspe it states that if an entity goes over fifty one percent
service to others and is less than fifty percent service to self, then that entity
is harvestable. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth
dimensional level.
Questioner: What is to be the entity’s percentage if he is to be harvested for
the negative?
Ra: I am Ra. The entity who wishes to pursue the path of service to self
must attain a grade of five, that is five percent service to others, ninety-five
percent service to self. It must approach totality. The negative path is quite
difficult to attain harvestability upon and requires great dedication.
Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult to attain
harvestability upon than the positive?
Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates
that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a straight
and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to
the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent
dedication to otherselves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is
between those two.

zenmaster Wrote:Dum da daaaa

(02-20-2011, 06:38 AM)Spectrum Wrote: If it's his life's work, and he's spending all his time on it, and he's saying they're all benevolent, then I will have to say it's intentional disinfo, because only a cursory glance at this phenomena is enough for any layperson to see that the majority of reported contact isn’t too benevolent. I also disagree with you that it is in people's best interest to be told that all higher density entities are benevolent. Ignorance can never be to someone’s benefit. Of course spreading paranoia is the other extreme, which some people make themselves guilty of. A healthy balance can be found, like in the Ra teachings. People are already well informed about the duality in our world, 'good' vs 'bad', everywhere they look, why would they be surprised to learn about: as above, so below.

Quote:In the second circumstance, a mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement upon the free will of the planet. However, it would be a gamble. If the planet were then conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be re-established. This is restrained in action due to the desire of the Orion group to progress towards the One Creator. This desire to progress inhibits the group from breaking the Law of Confusion.

Derek Wrote:You're absolutely correct, it is not in people's best interests to keep them ignorant by telling them falsities. I suppose I should elaborate.

I don't think there needs to be a fear-based approach. Do we have to fear negative entities? It's my opinion that we don't. When someone goes around telling people to beware (speaking of others, not you), it invokes images of mass-landings and planet-conquering ET's. We know the Ra material says this wouldn't happen..

Ra Wrote:In the second circumstance, a mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement upon the free will of the planet. However, it would be a gamble. If the planet were then conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be re-established. This is restrained in action due to the desire of the Orion group to progress towards the One Creator. This desire to progress inhibits the group from breaking the Law of Confusion.

Derek Wrote:There must have been attempts on other planets to dominate forcibly, and it simply is too much of a risk.

Derek Wrote:Greer always makes it clear that he believes there aren't hostile entities that are going to come down and enslave us.

Izzy Wrote:What about all these professional private/military pilots and airtraffic controlers, military soliders that Greer has sworn statements from?

(02-20-2011, 01:58 PM)Eddie Wrote: Disclosure happened to me when I was a young child (and, similarly, for many others on this discussion board). We are arguing over something already proved.

Perhaps the bigger issue is why so many people want "the truth" to be authorized by the ruling elite, in order for it to be "true". The history of ruling elites should prompt us to realize that "truth" is generally an anathema to elites.

Intense public pressure for an end to government secrecy, in general, would probably be more fruitful than any demand for specific "disclosure", if successful. The dishonest always hide behind secrecy, and I suspect that much blood will have to be spilt before we have open and honest government (absent spontaneous elevation to higher vibrational levels).