(04-14-2011, 11:49 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: Is there democratic metaphysical government ruling the material illusion behind the scenes? By which I mean each persons intentions, thoughts, feelings, daydreams, etc directing energies which end up manifesting as changes in our visible world.

(04-14-2011, 11:49 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: Is there democratic metaphysical government ruling the material illusion behind the scenes?

Quote:39.9 Questioner: I see. “The Nine” describe themselves as the “nine principals of God.” Can you tell me what they mean by that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is also a veiled statement. The attempt is made to indicate that the nine who sit upon the Council are those representing the Creator, the One Creator, just as there may be nine witnesses in a courtroom testifying for one defendant. The term principal has this meaning also.

The desire of the scribe may be seen in much of this material to have affected the manner of its presentation just as the abilities and preferences of this group determine the nature of this contact. The difference lies in the fact that we are as we are. Thus we may either speak as we will or not speak at all. This demands a very tuned, shall we say, group.

(04-14-2011, 11:57 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Getting involved in politics? Thanks for giving me opportunity to say this ( I've been saving it. ) If someone wants to be in politics, ask yourself, do I want to represent the interests of the people or do I want to represent my ideas of how it should be?

(04-15-2011, 12:37 AM)Confused Wrote:

(04-14-2011, 11:49 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: Is there democratic metaphysical government ruling the material illusion behind the scenes?

I confess that I do not under the question completely, td23. But the following quote may show that there indeed could be a democratic sort of set-up in terms of managing our system metaphysically, including our planet on broad first principles. I of course do not personally know or understand as to whether that also includes PMs of governments on earth. This is very nuanced area, in my opinion.

Quote:39.9 Questioner: I see. “The Nine” describe themselves as the “nine principals of God.” Can you tell me what they mean by that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is also a veiled statement. The attempt is made to indicate that the nine who sit upon the Council are those representing the Creator, the One Creator, just as there may be nine witnesses in a courtroom testifying for one defendant. The term principal has this meaning also.

The desire of the scribe may be seen in much of this material to have affected the manner of its presentation just as the abilities and preferences of this group determine the nature of this contact. The difference lies in the fact that we are as we are. Thus we may either speak as we will or not speak at all. This demands a very tuned, shall we say, group.

(04-15-2011, 01:00 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Ouch. Wrong answer. You are saying you know best and everyone else are idiots. I am not trying to insult, but that's the way the politicians think, the ones you disagree with.

Trusting the people to serve their interests is trusting yourself. If we know that all catalysthas a purpose and that all entities have a life fuller than this body complex, we have all the time in the world to let love shine it's way to the top. There is no need to expedite the process in a way that actually hinders it.

(04-15-2011, 01:23 AM)turtledude23 Wrote:

(04-15-2011, 01:00 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Ouch. Wrong answer. You are saying you know best and everyone else are idiots. I am not trying to insult, but that's the way the politicians think, the ones you disagree with.

Trusting the people to serve their interests is trusting yourself. If we know that all catalysthas a purpose and that all entities have a life fuller than this body complex, we have all the time in the world to let love shine it's way to the top. There is no need to expedite the process in a way that actually hinders it.

The politicians I disagree with don't have empathy for people and are not concerned with making people happy. Everyone has different talents and some people are smarter than others, creating the laws which a society follows is not something just anyone can do, it requires intelligence. If I asked people right now "should the stock market be abolished?" most people would say no, but do they know anything about how the stock market works and how it affects society?

(04-15-2011, 09:18 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I disagree from my heart. I don't think your view reflects the LOO. It is fearful, and desires separation.

(04-15-2011, 11:41 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Hmph. Much fear.

(04-15-2011, 10:32 AM)drifting pages Wrote: The way of STS is that way that think it knows what is best for everyone

(04-15-2011, 11:58 AM)Spectrum Wrote:

(04-15-2011, 10:32 AM)drifting pages Wrote: The way of STS is that way that think it knows what is best for everyone

Yeah, STO does not determine the needs of another.

Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:I would say that STO as a principle determines the needs of others inasmuch as it doesn't disregard them. It doesn't dictate the needs of another though. I think the word you used is neutral, and could go either way. So many d words!

turtledude23 Wrote:The politicians I disagree with don't have empathy for people

turtledude23 Wrote:there are alot of social and political issues I'm concerned about which I could change by getting involved

(04-15-2011, 12:20 PM)Spectrum Wrote: If you feel that you can do good by getting involved, then you should try it, but you will be walking into a hornets nest, because STO are not attracted to power, so you will mostly be surrounded by STS.

I think society doesn't change for the better from the top down (given who sits at the top), I think one can make a much bigger difference by getting involved in something at grassroots level.

turtledude23 Wrote:Here I do see party leaders and individual MPs who seem to be half-decent people.

(04-15-2011, 11:43 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: Think about what you're saying, the only 100% STO government would be no government,

(04-15-2011, 11:43 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: anarchy, and that can not work

(04-15-2011, 11:43 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: otherwise those who are truly STS (even more STS then you claim I'm being e.g. people like Stalin) would quickly take over and form their own dictatorship.

(04-15-2011, 11:43 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: What we have now is not perfect but it's better than living in a dictatorship.

(04-15-2011, 01:22 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: If you don't believe it is possible for love to "win out", then you don't believe it is possible for love to "win out."

(04-15-2011, 01:15 PM)Spectrum Wrote:

turtledude23 Wrote:Here I do see party leaders and individual MPs who seem to be half-decent people.

I'm sure they are there, but I think they are vastly outnumbered. Maybe they can do with some support.

(04-15-2011, 01:22 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(04-15-2011, 11:43 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: anarchy, and that can not work

this is what you fear. Is government the answer? Has government really been a preventer of this? Or has government been an instigator of this?

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(04-15-2011, 11:43 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: otherwise those who are truly STS (even more STS then you claim I'm being e.g. people like Stalin) would quickly take over and form their own dictatorship.

this is what you fear. The only way to create a society of love is to be love. There is no other route to love. If you don't believe it is possible for love to "win out", then you don't believe it is possible for love to "win out."

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(04-15-2011, 11:43 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: What we have now is not perfect but it's better than living in a dictatorship.

It is not ideal, but in the larger picture of existence, any scenario we find ourselves in is perfect. If, as you suspect, chaos and anarchy would rule the day, so be it. Catalyst in 3D is about experience to a significant part to transform into one of two ways. Government doesn't end catalyst, and why ask it to? Of course, the brilliance in the creation is that asking it to creates more catalyst opportunity.

Quote:The truth is that you are upset with current politics. This is okay. My view comes removed from emotional involvement in those politics. It is important to remember that the only way to change the world is to change our personal view. Our personal views are under our supervision and only our supervision, and these views are what contribute to the collective. What are you contributing to our collective as you contemplate your government?

Quote:Your culture does not encourage original thought. Your culture does not encourage inner-directed behavior and attitudes. Your culture has a consensus reality [1] which is endlessly materialistic. It is as though, with a sea all around you, your culture stands upon a tiny island and says, “This is the world. Do not go to the sea. Do not dive deep in unknown waters. Here in this garden where there is food to eat and work to do, live your life. Question nothing, accept authority, and make no waves. Do not paddle at the shores of the unknown.”

Quote:Turn to me now and hug me. Smile. Once you do, you will feel better. Don't deny yourself love. It is your choice. Find love for the politicians you disagree with. Give them a hug. Do it. Just do it, and then get back with me.

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(04-15-2011, 01:22 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: If you don't believe it is possible for love to "win out", then you don't believe it is possible for love to "win out."

What I mean here is that if you don't believe acting with love will win in a society without government, then you don't believe love will win by infiltrating the government. Which means you want to shove one side of government aside so that you can be the government, but in so doing you haven't changed any hierarchical structure. You've only become satisfied that your opinions are being processed at the higher level.

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Love isn't achieved in this way.

(04-15-2011, 01:51 PM)Lorna Wrote: how old are you turtledude23?
i commend your enthusiasm and your desire to be part of a solution
i felt similarly to you in my late teens / early twenties, mainstream journalism, in my experience, is an industry that sto entities will really struggle with - it wasn't for me, and i'm glad i learned it wasn't for me while at an early stage in my career
instead i've found much satisfaction in helping to manifest change at a grass roots level
your path will take you where you are needed, try not to over think the 'how' of your future, instead simply let your path reveal itself

(04-15-2011, 02:08 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I love you, man, and I agree with Lorna completely. I am coming from the same place with different words.

How can you be angry with a politician who believes in themselves as much as you believe you are doing the "right" thing?

Do what is in your heart. Please don't look down on citizens as ignorant. Please don't view yourself as their savior. You are just as confused as the rest of us, but in no way do I want to extinguish your passion. In your mind, give the people a chance.

(04-15-2011, 02:24 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: This is what's in my heart. Namaste says follow your bliss and that's I'm doing. My talents and passions lie in logic and social justice and even if I solely have those things to find out that politics isn't for me than that's my lesson to learn, but in the meantime I will be pursuing my passion regardless of what people think my intentions are.

turtledude23 Wrote:however someone in parliament who helps out other peoples grassroots efforts would be a large help to all of the grassroots movements, its a 2 way street.

Book II, Session 34, March 4, 1981 Wrote:Questioner: Thank you. Can you give me the same type of information
about the self in relation to the societal self?

Ra: I am Ra. The unmanifested self may find its lessons those which
develop any of the energy influx centers of the mind/body/spirit complex.
The societal and self interactions most often concentrate upon the second
and third energy centers. Thus those most active in attempting to remake or
alter the society are those working from feelings of being correct personally
or of having answers which will put power in a more correct configuration.
This may be seen to be of a full travel from negative to positive in
orientation. Either will activate these energy ray centers.
There are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green ray nature or
above. These entities, however, are few due to the understanding, may we
say, of fourth ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than
principalities or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.

Questioner: If an entity were to be strongly biased toward positive societal
effects, what would this do to his yellow ray in the aura as opposed to an
entity who wanted to create an empire of society and govern it with an iron
fist?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us take two such positively oriented active souls no longer
in your physical time/space. The one known as Albert went into a strange
and, to it, a barbaric society in order that it might heal. This entity was able
to mobilize great amounts of energy and what you call money. This entity
spent much green ray energy both as a healer and as a lover of your
instrument known as the organ. This entity’s yellow ray was bright and
crystallized by the efforts needed to procure the funds to promulgate its
efforts. However, the green and blue rays were of a toweringly brilliant
nature as well. The higher levels, as you may call them, being activated, the
lower, as you may call them, energy points remaining in a balance, being
quite, quite bright.
The other example is the entity, Martin. This entity dealt in a great degree
with rather negative orange ray and yellow ray vibratory patterns. However,
this entity was able to keep open the green ray energy and due to the
severity of its testing, if anything, this entity may be seen to have polarized
more towards the positive due to its fidelity to service to others in the face
of great catalyst.

Questioner: Could you give me the last names of Albert and Martin?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are known to you as Albert Schweitzer and
Martin Luther King.

(04-15-2011, 11:36 AM)turtledude23 Wrote:

(04-15-2011, 09:18 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I disagree from my heart. I don't think your view reflects the LOO. It is fearful, and desires separation.

How? I think your explicit calling of my intentions as against TLoO is fearful and fostering separation.

Then you guys are saying the only form of STO government would be no government at all? I don't think so. We had anarchy for thousands of years and it resulted in high crime rates and an uncomofortable life without indoor plumbing. Gandhi and MLK refused to condone violence even when a large portion of their supporters wanted them to, I suppose they were being STS by assuming they knew better than their supporters? And I suppose Jesus was being STS when he refused to listen to his supporters telling him to lead a violent revolution against the Romans? Some people are better at some things than other people, you wouldn't call a talented artist STS for suggesting they deserve an award more than someone who drew a stick person, then why do you assume someone who studied how society works in depth for years is being STS by suggesting they have solutions to societys problems that most people probably haven't thought of? Its easy to say STO is about accepting everything when you live in a society peaceful enough to have computer access and where most people are literate like you and could read TLoO if they wanted to. Its impossible to be 100% STO, life in 3D is about compromise, and If I could improve the lives of millions by doing what you consider to be STS then so be it, I think my violet ray would indicate otherwise regardless of what you think.